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Dratic Ascent of Ages Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:20:00 - [61] I've seen many of these threads pop up now and again and the arguments pretty much repeat themselves. In the end it really does boil down to stuff similar to getting people to play WOW or EVE because ZOMG i think this or that game is the greatest. I like it that there is a competitive MMO Market out there and they do differ and its great to try them out and see whats to offer. It just results in people failing to convince people to make INSERT OPs FAVOURITE MMO everyone else's favourite MMO.
TrulyKosh Gallente Solo for UNCLE	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:28:00 - [62] Originally by: murder one The point of discussion: Eve end-game PVE is far more safe than WoW PVE, from a PVP perspective. WoW PVPers have far more access to WoW PVEers doing end-game PVE than Eve players do. End game PVE in EVE is 8-10/10 plexes or mining mercoxit and you won't find those in high sec. nice try, though
royal killer Amarr The Funkalistic	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:32:00 - [63] Well, cancel subscription and go buy subscription at Blizzard. -------------------- ding ding! Wrangler: Hello and w ding ding! Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners.
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:33:00 - [64] Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 04/09/2008 12:33:50 Originally by: Hungo Originally by: murder one Originally by: RagnhildR tu Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! It's 'lose'. American english is the world standard for english ever since we pwned the English in the revolutionary war. lol stupid american, English, as in PROPER english from the United Kingdom is what you base YOUR ENGLISH on, just because you so degenerate you have to change certain words because you cannot comprehende logic doesn't eman the rest of teh world speaks like you do Go away gearge bush fan I must point out to my dear American and English brothers, that "lose" and "loose" are two completely different words Ergo your arguing of the correct spelling is moot. Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
Pilot Abilene Caldari Serpentine Dream Theory	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:39:00 - [65] End game in WoW is all instanced with 100% safety even on PvP servers.
Anti Protagonist Hiro Trade and Logistics	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:41:00 - [66] Wait...does this mean you stopped permacamping the Decon gate looking for easy cosmos-mission kills or did you just read the forums and come up with the whine that way? I need a sig....
Havohej Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.04 12:56:00 - [67] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer effort 10/10 nice troll, would read again. This is pretty much spot on. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Lucyfear	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:01:00 - [68] The highest level gear only comes from Arena and high level instances. There are 6 levels of gear you would need before getting to these items and it means 2 -3 days a week doing high level instances. Charaters level to 70 and from 70 - 125 (virual charater level) is gear. nuff said.
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:21:00 - [69] Originally by: Havohej Originally by: MineralOel Steuer effort 10/10 nice troll, would read again. This is pretty much spot on. Two people giving me a 10/10 on a troll post? Really? I think I can retire from the forums a happy man. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:22:00 - [70] Originally by: Magnus MacDonald Edited by: Magnus MacDonald on 04/09/2008 12:17:30 Originally by: Kaivos Another "nerf l4 missions" thread thinley masked under warcraft > eve topic. amen, brother Fixed it for you. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:23:00 - [71] Originally by: Pilot Abilene End game in WoW is all instanced with 100% safety even on PvP servers. Nah there are many outdoor RAID bosses too... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
murder one Gallente Invincible Reason	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:26:00 - [72] Originally by: Lucas Avignon Edited by: Lucas Avignon on 04/09/2008 12:33:50 Originally by: Hungo Originally by: murder one Originally by: RagnhildR tu Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:03:02 Edited by: RagnhildR tu on 04/09/2008 10:01:15 Originally by: murder one It's 'lose', not 'loose'. actually It Is 'Loose' The poster is using the correct English spelling. WoW is rubbish, crap, shite, when you die you have a choice come back as a 'Ghost' and make your way to your corpse, or if you died in a particularly tough area you can wimp out and be restored in the graveyard, where there is a slight penalty, Your armour and weapon take a hit to their durability. This is nothing at all like Eve, where if you get ganked you stand to loose millions, and for the newer player it takes longer than a trip to the local blacksmith to recoup those losses. I tried Wow just to see what all the kiddies were squeaking about, thought it was bloody terrible and left. People please send me all your old newspapers it's burn the Heretic time!!! It's 'lose'. American english is the world standard for english ever since we pwned the English in the revolutionary war. lol stupid american, English, as in PROPER english from the United Kingdom is what you base YOUR ENGLISH on, just because you so degenerate you have to change certain words because you cannot comprehende logic doesn't eman the rest of teh world speaks like you do Go away gearge bush fan I must point out to my dear American and English brothers, that "lose" and "loose" are two completely different words Ergo your arguing of the correct spelling is moot. No, I'm arguing with him that he is using the word 'loose' when he should be using the word 'lose'. Not the spelling of each. Therefore, your argument that our argument is moot, is moot. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Minimax Prime	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:29:00 - [73] You canÆt compare these two games. PvE in Eve is a profession to make some isk and you need isk for the fun stuff in Eve: Risk your ships in PvP whereas WoW is all about PvE (which is way more challenging than in Eve). Take a look at: www.bosskillers.com to get an idTe what I am talking about. Stop this silly thread and get a gate camp running!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:38:00 - [74] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Sabrin Kulu Originally by: murder one At that point I asked them what actually happens when they get 'killed' and if anything of any real concequence happens to them as a result, but that's another story for another thread lol. This is the main difference between WoW and EVE, why are you trying the exclude this from your argument? In WoW if you get killed whilst doing your PvE stuff at worst you will have to spend about 2 minutes walking back to your body, whereas in EVE you could spend a full week or even longer recovering from your financial loss. And in EVE, even if you are doing your PvE in 'safe zones', funnily enough, you are actually still far from safe. Don't try and straw man the focus of the discussion here. The point of discussion: Eve end-game PVE is far more safe than WoW PVE, from a PVP perspective. WoW PVPers have far more access to WoW PVEers doing end-game PVE than Eve players do. That is the point of discussion. Not how much one loses from dying or whether or not it's a PVE or PVP server etc. The reason why I have not fitted a single faction fitting on my PVE BS is to make sure it doesn't get sucide ganked for the fittings. High sec is safe but not safe enough to fit billions onto a ship
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.04 13:59:00 - [75] Originally by: murder one ...some silly nonsensical rant... Dude, just get back to gatecamping.
Victor Forge Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Pilot Abilene End game in WoW is all instanced with 100% safety even on PvP servers. Nah there are many outdoor RAID bosses too... He did said End-game. Those out-door bosses are hardly endgame, dropping loot of tier 4 quality. Compare that with destroying a Titan in Eve.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:33:00 - [77] First things first: Where in the hell did the 'OMG this is a pirate revenge thread' fanboi's come from? It only makes sense if you turn your head sideways, get up real close to the screen, and fart. THEN, and only then, do I see the secret agenda of the op. With that aside, lets' also clear up some mistakes. EvE PvE doesn't stop in hisec. In hisec, you can do level 1-4 missions, or maybe a 4/10 complex. In losec, you have level 5 missions and a couple complexes. In nulsec, you have pirate missions and LOTS of complexes. 'High End PvE' content in EvE is out in no-man's-land, bub. Secondly, these 'high end PvE' quests the op is referring to are often in PvP areas. Meaning, you have to go through the remote possibility of running into another player to reach them. They ARE instanced (once you get there), but the region around it can be dangerous. Even on a PvE server, attacking the wrong mob or accidentally attacking a player will flag you (I daresay you might even get killed without being flagged). WoW copied many of it's design principles from EvE, so it should be no surprise if you see similarities. The fundamentals of the games are separate, but the premise for many of it's designs are related to EvE's popularity with a certain hard-edged part of the playerbase. I hate playing WoW, but I have played it. I hate the attitude and stupidity of the playerbase, the forums are about 100x worse than ours ... heck, WoW felt more like a single-player game with chat interface than hisec EvE does. And, WoW requires almost no thought, effort or planning to accomplish anything. WoW is for IG-players, casual gamers, soccer moms and kids still in grade school. It's designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the playerbase, it's designed to play on the broadest ranges of machines and hardware, and it's designed to market Blizzard with millions of customers, many of which have never played a game before. It's MEANT to be easy. Easy to make money, easy to learn to use, easy to craft, easy to die and get back up. EvE is the opposite of that spectrum. Or, it was. Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Naga Elohim Amarr Forsaken Death Squad	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:43:00 - [78] FAIL! 0/10! Because In WoW there is no risk. you don't lost anything when you die. At all! If you get killed you just go back to where you were. In eve you have to update your clone and go find another ship (if you have the isk) Dont you ever in your life again make the comparison between the two. Doing so will result in a swift kick in the nutz! ...and a lengthy nerd flame rage....
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:44:00 - [79] Originally by: murder one Edited by: murder one on 04/09/2008 09:03:49 Edited by: murder one on 04/09/2008 09:03:36 Edit for spelling. Allow me to explain- I was watching some people play WoW the other day (shudder) and I started asking some questions. About their little quest thingies and their PVP and all that. And come to find out that their end game NPCing that they do for their higher level stuff from quests (not raid instances) is in the Eve equivalent of lowsec and 0.0. So then I got to thinking and asked a few questions. Like 'Um, so you can be attacked while doing your end game quests out in level 70 land?' 'Yeah sure, rogues suck because they sneak up on you'. Hmm. Interesting. So then I started asking about how much of the NPCing and 'questing' was done in the relatively safe areas. I soon found out that it was little to none. All the 'important stuff' (as deemed by the WoW players I was talking to) occures in 'very dangerous areas' they said. 'You don't want to go out there unless you really know what you're doing or you'll get killed' they said. At that point I asked them what actually happens when they get 'killed' and if anything of any real concequence happens to them as a result, but that's another story for another thread lol. My point here is this: In Eve all the NPCers can happily NPC in near complete safety doing all the high level end-game missions (level 4s) in high sec and never have to risk anything at all with respect to being in danger from other players. Over and over and over. Forever. In WoW, if you want to kill high level NPCs, you have to go out into what is for the WoW weenies the most dangerous areas in WoW, which is our equivilant of 0.0/lowsec. So yeah, it makes me want to vomit, but WoW is actually more dangerous than Eve when it comes to running missions/quests and accessing end game NPC content and PVPers have more access to NPCers in WoW than they do in Eve. That's disgusting. Oh, look. Another revenge thread. Evil empire dwellers have it too easy. Send them to low sec for a proper spanking. . I support log offs. There's just something about denying free electrons to my computer that appeals to my need for control.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:51:00 - [80] Edited by: Faife on 04/09/2008 14:51:57 you know murder1, i really thought you were one of the more cognizant and literate of the hardcore-pvp clique. i was really disappointed to read this because it makes you look really immature, shallow, and trolly. - -
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.09.04 14:57:00 - [81] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 04/09/2008 15:00:29 Originally by: murder one So yeah, it makes me want to vomit, but WoW is actually more dangerous than Eve when it comes to running missions/quests and accessing end game NPC content and PVPers have more access to NPCers in WoW than they do in Eve. That's disgusting. How is it more dangerous if you lose NOTHING? Anyone who uses the phrase 'end game' deserves to be banished to WoW hell. Paratwa Recruitment
FlameGlow Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:08:00 - [82] Hmmm, now what could be called end-game PVE in EVE? Lvl 5 missions, 10/10 plexes, hunting officers? What do you know, none of it is available in highsec. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:09:00 - [83] Originally by: murder one At that point I asked them what actually happens when they get 'killed' and if anything of any real concequence happens to them as a result, but that's another story for another thread lol. Using this logic, you could have made your OP much shorter: "WoW and EVE are identical. There are all the differences, but that's another story for another thread". - DesuSigs
Tiberius Maddox	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:13:00 - [84] Edited by: Tiberius Maddox on 04/09/2008 15:14:27 PvP in WoW consists of mindless ganking, nothing more. In EVE, you need to think before you shoot or you might just regret it. Big difference. EVE players rage against the people who farm ISK and exploit the game, which is understandable. But some of these same players want to farm defenseless newbies in high-sec, and they are upset that they will now be forced to think before shooting. "Is it worth it" or not, they are probably asking themselves. If the target is high value, then the answer may very well be yes. If it is just a mindless gank, then the answer is probably no. If you want mindless ganking and free-for-all griefing, you probably should consider a career outside high security space. Sort of like -- gasp -- criminals in the real world. Stupid criminals who commit mindless violence in hight security areas in the real world... die. All that said, I do agree that low sec needs to be expanded and seeded with more lucrative opportunities.
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:15:00 - [85] Originally by: Hungo I have played wow for 3 years and i am not ashamed of it, what i shouldnt play it? why? Because u think it's lame? because it's for kid's? Im 23, married with two children n i still play wow, so does my wife and i have two eve accounts. Stop comparing WOW to the cess pit that we love called EVE YOU CANNOT COMPARE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE IN NO WAY RELATED OR HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON WOW is wow, it is a brilliant game, EVE is eve and again it is awsum, i have about 18 friends from my guild who are doing trial accounts on EVE thru me and are thinking about playing. So bloody just stop it, i think the entire population is sick of it Same here, played WoW for nearly 3 years. I have a bit of a laugh at the OP. Great how people who never played the game seems to know all about WoW. 'I looked how other people were playing'. I did that with some friends of mine who play EVE, but that doesn't mean I know **** about EVE. It's obvious the OP is completely clueless (what a surprise).
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:18:00 - [86] Originally by: murder one ....At that point I asked them what actually happens when they get 'killed' and if anything of any real concequence happens to them as a result, but that's another story for another thread lol.... IE you realized you wasted your time in wow but are still thick enough to post this anyway. No Consinquence = not better than EvE. EVER! -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Syringe Morphine Inc	Posted - 2008.09.04 15:25:00 - [87] Then...uhh...go play WoW? --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question.
Candice Dice	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:15:00 - [88] Erm, what are you talking about, talking shit much OP? WoW Endgame NPC'ing is done in instances, a private world for the raid and the raid alone without the possability of Enemy Faction interferance.. there the biggest challenge is 'team work' and 'communication/tatics'. There is no real 'death penalty' in WoW, you can walk back to your body and continue, or res at the graveyard, hearthstone back to your city, make something to eat then go to another zone and carry on.... Plus, you can have 10 characters per server, so theres always something you can do on one of them...and theres non PvP servers. The fact you glossed over these just shows your full of crap. Have a Nice day, Can I have your stuff?
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:59:00 - [89] Originally by: murder one Don't try and straw man the focus of the discussion here. The point of discussion: Eve end-game PVE is far more safe than WoW PVE, from a PVP perspective. WoW PVPers have far more access to WoW PVEers doing end-game PVE than Eve players do. That is the point of discussion. Not how much one loses from dying or whether or not it's a PVE or PVP server etc. Excuse me straw man, but you are the one putting up fallacious arguments. Let me make it simple for you. The reason there is more access to PVEers in WOW is because it doesn't actually hurt them to die. AT ALL. Can you imagine eve if you respawned, implants skills ships and modules intact every time you died? No I don't believe you can, but that is the point you seem to be missing so thoroughly. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Inquisitor Apoc	Posted - 2008.09.04 17:01:00 - [90] The biggest thing your forgetting is that WoW end game is almost entirely instance based. I've had max level characters on a PVP server and if I didn't want to get killed I didn't get killed. Take a flight path to my location then run into the instance. If I end up getting killed because a dozen people worked to snare me, oh noes, I lose nothing and can resurect even closer to the instance portal. Another thing is that in WoW even though you can kill people randomly in PVP servers most people still don't because you don't get anything out of it (Unless you have a very pathetic life and the game is really your only chance to feel like you have acomplished something). If someone wanted to PVP they hop in a battleground instance and slog it out with a bunch of other people for rewards.

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