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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:17:00 -
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adopt wrote:Might I ask why you subjugate the people who can spell and pronounce the language correctly to such fallacy? Why am I forced to spell like an American when I am English? I cannot comprehend why, I, as an Englishman, am forced to improperly spell my native language.
Discuss.
Using 'discuss' to invite discussion is an Americanism.
If you were to travel back in time 200 years, you would not be able to hold a conversation with someone in England, let alone Scotland, Ireland or Wales.
Languages evolve. This is a good thing, you should embrace it.
Cockney rhyming slang is a classic example of language evolving, but in your highly restrictive theoretical 'perfect' world, this language would not exist. This would be a shame because then someone would not be able to call you a Berkshire Hunt, or just a plain and simple 'Berk'.
Your other point about pronunciation is highly annoying, too.
What is wrong with differentiation of pronunciation? You reside in an incredibly diverse and rich land of pronunciation, and very very very few people use RP, with most using pronunciation of the area in which they were raised...which leads me onto my next point.
People in America have no choice about how they sound when they speak, only that they sound like, or mostly like, everyone else around them.
They had no choice - and yet you honestly come to the forums and attack someone for something they had no control over?
Why? Because you wish to resurrect an antiquated global viewpoint that English people are prissy arrogant wimps? Congratulations on re-enforcing a stereotype.
Continuing the direction my post is heading...I like the way Americans and Canadians sound, I find it very interesting to hear them speak and everyone in those countries has earned the right to adopt whichever language they want to.
Times change, my friend - but I do take umbrage at your usage of the Oxford English Dictionary to try and win a point. I was born and educated in and at Oxford.
Now, I can almost guarantee that I could out-speak you in dialect, tonality, cadence, pronunciation and general debate. All the while I could do it with so much upper class snobbery and arrogance, that afterwards you'd feel the need to bend over and shine my shoes, little man.
So, I wish to call you a hypocrite, as I doubt you have any grounds to correct Americans when your own pronunciation errors would not stand up to scrutiny, or as the Americans might say; scrutinization.
AK
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:40:00 -
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British - Hey American how do you say aluminium?
American - ALOOMINUM
myface.jpg
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan
Get Off My Lawn
79
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:55:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:
If you were to travel back in time 200 years, you would not be able to hold a conversation with someone in England, let alone Scotland, Ireland or Wales.
Yes, you would. English 200 years ago was extremely well defined. You can go back 500 years and read documents quite clearly, certainly without any training.
Onictus wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Onictus wrote:Too bad American's outnumber the rest of the native English speaking word. Sorry and all. Go and add up the numbers across the rest of the world and compare it to the USA. Sorry, but you guys are tiny compared to the rest of the world - most of which use English; not United States English. LOL Like whom? We have double the population of the UK, Australia and New Zealand combined. Canada uses American spelling and eveyone else isn't a NATIVE speaking country. It just depends on who you learn your English from. When I work in Norway I joke that they have British accents.....Japanese and Koreans often use the American dialect in my experience.
Who invented and propagated the language? More importantly, who invaded and traded there way to be the super power to make the language so internationally important? It wasn't that backwards colony which without French help would still have a Union Jack in the flag, that's for sure.
FYI US English isn't a dialect, its a bastardisation. |
SPAECMARNIES
The Milkmen
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:57:00 -
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Doughnut.
:pft: |
Kilylol
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:19:00 -
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This thread is going places. Next stop, why brazillian portuguese sucks ass. |
Kehro Urgus
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:21:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:British - Hey American how do you say aluminium? American - ALOOMINUM myface.jpg
"Aluminium" is the official IUPAC nomenclature but it sounds stupid.
You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
277
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:24:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:I'ma just leave this here. Irrelevant. "Armor" is how the majority of people spell it and is how everyone is used to spelling it in this game. Changing it to "Armour" now would be a pain to the majority of your subscribers and would be forcing them all to un-learn their local spelling styles Americans do make up the largest chunk of the population!
And the loudest 
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Casius Omega
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:35:00 -
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adopt wrote:Quote:File not valid
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Armour Kinetic Hardner II Might I ask why you subjugate the people who can spell and pronounce the language correctly to such fallacy? Why am I forced to spell like an American when I am English? I cannot comprehend why, I, as an Englishman, am forced to improperly spell my native language. Discuss.
We won the war didn't anyone tell you? You do what we tell you to now. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
278
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:38:00 -
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Arno Gunnarr wrote:Would you prefer chav instead?
I give you Devvo, King of Chavs
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
933
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:46:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote: This should make things clear for some.
Excellent reading, thank you.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
933
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:59:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:FYI US English isn't a dialect, its a bastardisation.
Sorry but I can't agree with you.
I'm native born from a country of discovers and travelers too thanks to whom humanity today knows a little better their world, English, Spanish, German and Italians mostly for the biggest known colonizers.
The differences you notice about English GB and English US and call those bastardization is a misunderstanding and fear of evolution.
As a matter of fact if you look at other great dialects like Spanish, German or Portuguese they have also the equivalent of "US English".
It's a much smoother/slower talking, almost like chanting, a lot of new words and expressions come directly from the mix of local languages or from the mix of enslaved persons that had as origin mostly south Africa but also some Arabians or Chinese.
I can't stop being marveled by this so specific and non the less incredibly interesting dialect that crushes strict rules and closed minds over time in some sort of unstoppable evolution, that like it or not, is happening under your nose.
How different, horrible, bizarre or bastardized American English or whatever language in this world would look for you if tomorrow you had to deal with an extraterrestrial force, and your life would depend on your ability to communicate with your peers? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3539
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:27:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:British - Hey American how do you say aluminium? American - ALOOMINUM myface.jpg
Ive been taught it was - Al-umin-E-uhm (lumin being the core part)
but meh Wheee-t vs Wheat
Boh-th vs Bol-th
Either way american english is trying to drift towards much easier to learn for our neighbors and trade partners.
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Otto Frost
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:28:00 -
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This is the dumbest thread that has ever existed. Oh dear lord, there are minor differences in vocabulary and spelling between two countries separated by an ocean. We should all cry even though they are both, with few exceptions, mutually intelligible. |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:36:00 -
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Miranda Bowie wrote:I love the colour gratuitous U's add to British spelling. I proumise froum nouw oun, I will honour your request four moure. ;)
That sounded classy as ****. All language should be like this. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
188
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:43:00 -
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Just relax and smoke a cigarette. (said in an more Anglo way I could get banned)
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Negentig
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:49:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:British - Hey American how do you say aluminium? American - ALOOMINUM myface.jpg "Aluminium" is the official IUPAC nomenclature but it sounds stupid.
Yeah, the entire world sounds stupid and Americans sound smart.....
Casius Omega wrote:adopt wrote:Quote:File not valid
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Armour Kinetic Hardner II Might I ask why you subjugate the people who can spell and pronounce the language correctly to such fallacy? Why am I forced to spell like an American when I am English? I cannot comprehend why, I, as an Englishman, am forced to improperly spell my native language. Discuss. We won the war didn't anyone tell you? You do what we tell you to now.
No no no, the Russians won the war. The US just showed up in time for the after-party. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
206
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:49:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:
English 200 years ago was extremely well defined. You can go back 500 years and read documents quite clearly, certainly without any training.
If you could read, you would see that I wrote 'hold a conversation' not 'read the newspaper'.
knobber Jobbler wrote:
FYI US English isn't a dialect, its a bastardisation.
'FYI' is an Americanism, FYI.
By the way, US English is a series of dialects, intricately woven to form the American Quilt of patch-work language.
This, in many ways, is exactly like the language of the UK.
In some parts of northern England, a 'brew' would mean a cup of tea - but in other parts this would imply a pint of beer.
Do you have milk in your tea? And do you put the milk in before the tea, or afterwards?
It's an honest question, as there is not really any difference between the two, but do you know why there is a difference in preference? And how that came to be?
Well, there are many theories, but the one that I believe to be the most logical is Bristol dock-workers used to drink tea by the case [there is a tea-warehouse in Bristol from the old trading days].
Only problem was that the quality of the ceramics used in the mugs/cups used to consume tea were not very good. This meant that if piping hot tea [100 degrees celsius] were poured into these low quality mugs, they in all likelihood would break. Thus, if cold milk was poured into the mug prior to the tea, the chances were lowered that the mug/cup would break. The added benefit is that dock workers would be able to drink the tea faster and get back to work sooner.
Some might say, therefore, that those who put the milk in first come from a 'working class background' and didn't have access to quality ceramics. This insistence to 'put the milk in first!' has therefore been passed down the generations.
Conversely, Chinese ceramics were more advanced than their European counter-parts and the Chinese as a result, do not require milk in their tea and perhaps even more importantly than that, is the fact Tea is supposed to evolve its flavour throughout the infusion process. The addition of Milk ruins this and tea tastes the same throughout the course of drinking it.
This brings me nicely back to my point on language...
Language is supposed to evolve over time.
Language does evolve over time.
Every new instance of English is part of the infusion process.
This adds, I don't know how it subtracts.
If Americanese far in the future becomes defacto, then I can only assume it got to be that way because it allowed itself to evolve.
If we (UK residents, I'm looking straight at you and your children) do not evolve English - we will be speaking a dying language before you can say 'Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious'*
AK
*from the Oxford Dictionary.
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥
Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Public Relation
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:59:00 -
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C'mon CCP, close this thread. It open to much racism debate.
"...he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words...."
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1176
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:05:00 -
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adopt wrote:Quote:File not valid
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Armour Kinetic Hardner II Might I ask why you subjugate the people who can spell and pronounce the language correctly to such fallacy? Why am I forced to spell like an American when I am English? I cannot comprehend why, I, as an Englishman, am forced to improperly spell my native language. Discuss.
Here's a sample of the 1611 King James Bible for reference:
Quote:In the beginning God created the heauen, and the Earth. And the earth was without forme, and voyd, and darkeneffe was upon the deepe: and the Spirit of God mooued upon the face of the waters.
It seems we're all spelling things wrong.
Actually, language is dictated by those who speak and write it. You don't speak the English of your ancestors, because it changed along the way. It will continue to change, and in the end what is "right" will be determined by popular usage. We have 300,000,000 people spelling it our way. I guess that means we win?
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
935
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:11:00 -
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Public Relation wrote:C'mon CCP, close this thread. It open to much racism debate.
"...he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words...."
Ho, you are seeing the light
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Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
30
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:16:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote:Do you have milk in your tea? And do you put the milk in before the tea, or afterwards?
It's an honest question, as there is not really any difference between the two, but do you know why there is a difference in preference? And how that came to be?
Off topic but interesting:
Two of Britain's greatest writers have chipped in on this classic historical debate, with opposing views.
George Orwell on tea
Douglas Adams on tea
Milk first for me, thanks. |
Sy'Taya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:32:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:I'ma just leave this here.
or this :
SELECT item FROM item_tab WHERE SOUNDEX(item) = SOUNDEX('Armour Kinetik Hardner II'); |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:52:00 -
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OP It will be a moot point when the Samf+¬lag fyrir +¡slenska menningu (Society for Icelandic Culture) succeeds in getting the government of Iceland to pass that law they want where all products made in Iceland use the Icelandic language only.  |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
Initiative Mercenaries
50
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:57:00 -
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adopt wrote:Quote:File not valid
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Armour Kinetic Hardner II Might I ask why you subjugate the people who can spell and pronounce the language correctly to such fallacy? Why am I forced to spell like an American when I am English? I cannot comprehend why, I, as an Englishman, am forced to improperly spell my native language. Discuss.
Because first we kicked you out of our country, then we took over your empire. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:02:00 -
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As a Canadian, I support the OP. |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:06:00 -
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Oh - and I'd rather cut my own tongue out with a rusty spork than speak amarr (nothing like a little RPing, eh?) |
OfBalance
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:08:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:As a Canadian, I support the OP.
As an American, I would like to thank your countrymen for keeping our nation's head warm during the winter months.
o7 |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:12:00 -
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adopt wrote:But on a serious note, I do not know why I am forced to spell like a foreigner within my own language, I feel like there should be an Oxford English Localisation for those of us who cannot and will not adapt to another style of English.
The word Americanism in the context you use it is itself Americanism. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
199
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:29:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I'm canadian and we spell it Armor.... except for our americanized military anyway.
The USA should have its own localization for these things. The majority of the world doesn't spell it this way.
Canadians spell it "armour" just like the english do. "Armor" is listed as an alternative spelling in the Canadian Oxford. Shrug. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
53
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:31:00 -
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Wow, a lot of brain-dead yanks and euro's in here
@ yanks, just because you're lazy and can only seem to wrap your head around things when they're spoken slowly and phonetically doesn't mean the rest of the english speaking world should have to learn EnglishLite to get through EVE market smoothly
@ euro's, jesys christ. America won the war like 400 years ago, get over it already. Let them spell funny and talk loudly if they want
@ CCP, holy crap you make this game irritating for anyone who learned English, could you please for the love of god read my windows localisation file like every other piece of software on the market does, then just use that to determine what spelling certain items should have?
There, problem solved with no adverse effect for any player. Now all CCP have to do is implement it |
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