Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 .. 181 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
411
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:11:00 -
[1501] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'. Ive been drunk alot of times too, ive said some very bad things to people when drunk. Ive also gotten into fights and hurt people. It isnt big, it isnt clever, but its what happens when you put mind altering chemicals into your system. Anyone who says that being drunk doesnt make you do stupid things is either A: Lying, or B: Never been drunk. Wow don't ever want you in my defense. That does not make it an excuse. You hurt ppl but thats ok because you where drunk F**k me ????
No, I quite clearly state that it ISNT ok. I am saying that what you do when drunk isnt what you do when you are not drunk, answering the people who are saying who you are when drunk is the real you.
You are right, you probably dont want me in your defense, I am not fond of defending stupid people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Prince Kobol
346
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:12:00 -
[1502] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online. Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political. If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say. Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr. There is the problem, he though it was funny. At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head "hmm.. maybe taking the **** out of somebody who claims to be suicidal in front of thousands of people might be going a tad to far?" Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people? Every decision in life we take has a consequence. It is up the individual to consider those consequences, in this instance he didn't which was unfortunate. Also the remark about "but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr" is hypercritical at best. It was The Mittani who thought it would be funny to drag the guys personal life in front of the cameras, you can not then condemn others who are defending (what ever their motives) but not also condemning the Mittani as well. Really? Really dude? He was merely posting mails he got from morons that got popped then wanted to get something out of it by sending the mail in the first place. The Wis didn't even remember sending it, or the fact that he was ganked, and didn't even care what Mitanni said, then didn't care even after reading about it and hearing about it. The only people that care about this, are the people who took gross offense to what some dumb drunk guy said, and those of us defending the person he is, not what he said.
Your missing the point. Whether Wis is full of **** is not the issue and has never been the issue.
The issue is that he stood up front of thousands of people at a official CCP Event and mocked a person who was potentially suicidal.
I completely accept that the guy did a very dumb thing and that in real life he is not like that.
However as I said, there are consequences to every action you take.
If it wasn't an issue then none of the sites that reported on this would of cared. These sites don't don't give a **** what we think or what is said on the forum as far as they are concerned it was a case of a player driven panel at a official event that was encouraging Cyber Bullying.
|
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:14:00 -
[1503] - Quote
*YAWN* At this point I am just waiting on work to end so I can go out, have dinner, and get laid. This **** goes on and on and on... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:16:00 -
[1504] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also being drunk is no excuse
Alchohol just lowers your social inhabitions
Therefore this is what he really thinks but normaly wouldn't have the guts to say I'm going to go out on a limb here.. I do not have sympathy for anyone who says they want to commit suicide. I think its a sign of weakness and a ploy for attention. If someone says that they are considering suicide then they by god better be serious. I think anyone who makes such a claim should be arrested and sent to a psychiatric ward. It's one of the things that pisses me off more than anything. I have often thought that some of these people should just do it, instead of constantly talking about it and using it as a ploy for attention. But this is mostly a cynnical and sarcastic opinion and I would never dream of actually walking up to someone and telling them to do it. My point is... I'm sure a lot of us have had similar opinions that we would never openly act on. I do not for one second believe that he had any intention of actually trying to get someone to commit suicide. I think to him at that moment it was a dark and uncouth joke. Granted one that may or may not have had real life consequences. But it was said in jest none the less. Anyone who is sitting at home thinking that Mittens would actually want to see someone do harm to themselves has obviously never spoken to him and probably does not know the type of person he actually is. I think everyone deserves a chance at redemption.
Good luck out on that limb bud ... read your first sentence and ignored the rest
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:16:00 -
[1505] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want. This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well. No, was just in his class laughing and making fun of the situation. You can argue that it was childish, sure. But it was all of you mittani-hatersl who decided to give the lecture and turn it into cannon fodder to use against your enemies. This might result in his entire REAL LIFE family/friends finding out about his situation and personal issues. There is also the possibility that he may have the police show up to check on his condition. If the police are unsure, they are forced to hold him for 72 hour suicide watch. What if he didn't want this? Did any of you ask The Wis what he thought before you started posting your crap to every game news site you could find? Nope. Prince Kobol wrote:
There is the problem, he though it was funny.
At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head
Perhaps you're right. I wont argue that you are wrong here. But, my point is that YOU didnt consider the ramifications of YOUR actions ether. And infact, you made a far bigger scene and subjected The Wis to far many more people's ridicule then Mittani ever did.
I don't know how it is you think these events started or what your imagination is telling you about how this whole thing unfolded, but it certainly wasn't CFC members posting notices to Escapist and Massively about how horrible this guy was made fun of for claiming to be suicidal. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
221
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1506] - Quote
Morphisat wrote:Sentinel Mantik wrote:I can't believe what is happening here...
As a person, I count the action of appologice from The Mittani. He may made the mistake to call out the name of the scam-victim CHAR, but he was drunk. I personaly normaly won't drink alkohol, especialy when i have to make a presentation (even if it is trolling at all) but i often see people do such things while they're drunk. The char-name maybe could be changed... no one knows the real name of the player behind the char.
The facts I count:
- Mittens did a great Job as CSM 6 Chairmen - over 10.000 people voted him for CSM 7 - Mittens made a mistake while drunk by calling the name - Mittens apologiced for what he has done
I defenetly won't let one mistake be the turningpoint.
Who of you ever was so drunk that you said something that you wont have sad otherwise? Those please throw the first stone... By this logic, every thing you do while drunk can be excused. What a load of crap.
So when you cheat your wife while you drunk she only say "nothing until you say sorry"??? |
brokentrader
Elysian Navy
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1507] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: The issue is that he stood up front of thousands of people at a official CCP Event and mocked a person who was potentially suicidal.
Yes, because when some anonymous dude on the internet claims to be suicidal, LETS ALL MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.
Hell, I'm suicidal because my untanked hauler got ganked in jita, if CCP dont reimburse me I'm gonna kill myself. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1508] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest
Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
118
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1509] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: If it wasn't an issue then none of the sites that reported on this would of cared. These sites don't don't give a **** what we think or what is said on the forum as far as they are concerned it was a case of a player driven panel at a official event that was encouraging Cyber Bullying.
Oh, give me a break, the "journalistic" scum are always up for the "sensation", making up one if there aren't any readily available.
These sites don't give a flying **** what we think or what is said or about Mittens or about the allegedly suicidal dude, they care for the page visits and will blow out of proportion anything.
A dude's roleplaying bleeded into RL when he was drunk and made him say nasty things, boo-hoo, big news. At 11.
|
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
271
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
[1510] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Singeabooty Raj wrote: Edit: ~Snipe~
Its not a snipe if you edit your post to notice. ~~~Chill out Bro~~~ Black Man with Goggles |
|
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
[1511] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: Perhaps I don't know the American system but I used to live with a Barrister in England and I know how strict they can be
For practising barristers in England and Wales:-
You're quite right.
Note the above emphasis.
Murientor tribal witch. Now with hair extensions. |
Clause VonDouche
Asgard Defence And Logistics Force Two Inch Terror
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
[1512] - Quote
It is ok Alex, we forgive you and still love you. Hugs. My Chairman |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:19:00 -
[1513] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:*YAWN* At this point I am just waiting on work to end so I can go out, have dinner, and get laid. This **** goes on and on and on...
It'll be ignored in a few days anyway.
As for Prince Kobol:
They are only reporting on it because it's FanFest and they have nothing else to report on, so they are winging with this. The people calling this cyber bullying are idiots and have no idea what cyber bullying really is. There has been less back lash at a Senator using a racial slur than there has with what Mittani stated.
CCP doesn't need to do anything at all, at worst administratively ban him, and have a sober alliance panel next year. Why they were not moderated anyway is beyond me. It's CCP's fault that this even went down, they had no regulations put in place, and it wasn't moderated very well at all. The CCP guy standing there had no control over it because 90% of the panelists were drunk off their ass.
If any of you morons are going to blame anyone, blame CCP for allowing this to happen. Apologies were made, the topic should be dead. All you guys are doing is beating a dead horse to dust. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:20:00 -
[1514] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like.
Why bother when the guy proves himslf an ass in the first sentence
To me thats like saying.. I have no sympathy for those who have cancer
Suicidal tendencies are an illness in the same way.
Why bother listening when he already proved he has nothing real or relevant ot say
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:20:00 -
[1515] - Quote
Maybe somebody should make a drunken Youtube video as an apology while singing Lady Gaga. If he's drunk then perhaps he means it, amirite? Plus can't get much lower than singing that.
Deadly serious btw. Get drunk, make the vid. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:21:00 -
[1516] - Quote
Ssakaa wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: Perhaps I don't know the American system but I used to live with a Barrister in England and I know how strict they can be
For practising barristers in England and Wales:- You're quite right.Note the above emphasis.
I'm sure you are the relevant authority to tell me that ..... we will see what the relevant association make of it
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Prince Kobol
347
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:21:00 -
[1517] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want. This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well. No, was just in his class laughing and making fun of the situation. You can argue that it was childish, sure. But it was all of you mittani-hatersl who decided to give the lecture and turn it into cannon fodder to use against your enemies. This might result in his entire REAL LIFE family/friends finding out about his situation and personal issues. There is also the possibility that he may have the police show up to check on his condition. If the police are unsure, they are forced to hold him for 72 hour suicide watch. What if he didn't want this? Did any of you ask The Wis what he thought before you started posting your crap to every game news site you could find? Nope. Prince Kobol wrote:
There is the problem, he though it was funny.
At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head
Perhaps you're right. I wont argue that you are wrong here. But, my point is that YOU didnt consider the ramifications of YOUR actions ether. And infact, you made a far bigger scene and subjected The Wis to far many more people's ridicule then Mittani ever did.
Hey, I completely agree with you on that point.
Who ever decided to mail I believe it was euro gamer was a complete idiot and has the same problem as many people do in Eve and forget there is a thing called the real world and that our actions in that real world have real consequences.
If somebody found it that offensive then they should of just contacted CCP and had the matter dealt with internally.
|
uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:22:00 -
[1518] - Quote
All aboard the bandwagon! You are now morally superior to mittens! Feel good about it while you can you insignificant maggots! We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:23:00 -
[1519] - Quote
uwai223 wrote: You are now morally superior to mittens!
F me I hope so.....
Better ending it if I'm not IMO.. no irony intended
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1520] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:uwai223 wrote: You are now morally superior to mittens! F me I hope so..... Better ending it if I'm not IMO.. no irony intended
Dude, it's easy to take the high road when the magnifying glass isn't on you. |
|
Finanche
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1521] - Quote
Good sincere apology. Now save your strength for the sacking of Jita. |
Vihura
Vihura Cor
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1522] - Quote
Almost believed him, but i'm very very gullible person.... |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1523] - Quote
Apology accepted.
A couple of questions, though (I will also evemail these, since it seems unfair to expect you to read through the whole effing thread):
1) Any comments on your initial reaction (the "deal with it")? That is posted on 25th at 16:01. On Sunday. Your apology is posted on Tuesday. Did it take all that time for you to sober up? Where you also drunk all the time since the alliance panel until posting the "deal with it"? Or do you have some other excuse than being drunk for the initial comment?
2) Any words to your followers, who seem to think that your behaviour was just fine?
3) If your drunken joke had not included the mention of suicide, do you think it would then have been just fine to use your alliance presentation time and your reputation in a live event to single out one player/character as a target? In other words, how far do you consider it appropriate to use your position in the player community to promote your character's goals / your alliances goal of producing as much tears as possible?
Elsebeth
|
Thecla Elarik
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1524] - Quote
Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
[1525] - Quote
uwai223 wrote:All aboard the bandwagon! You are now morally superior to mittens! Feel good about it while you can you insignificant maggots!
While I know all you little wall boogers want to swarm to the defense of your holy king picker, let's be decent and leave morals out of this. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
[1526] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:uwai223 wrote: You are now morally superior to mittens! F me I hope so..... Better ending it if I'm not IMO.. no irony intended Dude, it's easy to take the high road when the magnifying glass isn't on you.
Turn it on me I don't mind
And it's easy to take the high road when others stoop so low, in fact it's almost impposible not to if you see what I mean
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
[1527] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys.
Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:27:00 -
[1528] - Quote
Vihura wrote:Almost believed him, but i'm very very gullible person....
You shoudl believe him, because he's a friggin human being, and we all make a stupid mistake in our lives. I've made numerous.
Some of you are posting based on the video game and not using common sense about how life works, and how life actually is. You are merely posting based on this stupid video game.
Mittens is a human being, and he doesn't do this kinda thing just to do it.
You are all the Virgin Mary I guess, and have never done anything to affront another person in your lives. I'm sure that's 100% correct right? |
Prince Kobol
348
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:28:00 -
[1529] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: If it wasn't an issue then none of the sites that reported on this would of cared. These sites don't don't give a **** what we think or what is said on the forum as far as they are concerned it was a case of a player driven panel at a official event that was encouraging Cyber Bullying.
Oh, give me a break, the "journalistic" scum are always up for the "sensation", making up one if there aren't any readily available. These sites don't give a flying **** what we think or what is said or about Mittens or about the allegedly suicidal dude, they care for the page visits and will blow out of proportion anything. A dude's roleplaying bleeded into RL when he was drunk and made him say nasty things, boo-hoo, big news. At 11.
Thats point lol
At the moment in many countries Cyber Bullying and these stupid media driven stories about how computers games are making kids evil killing machines are very prevalent.
So going onto a stage and mocking somebody who was potentially suicidal was a dumb thing to do.
However it was just that.. dumb.
The person who then reported the story to Euro Gamer in my opinion has done a lot more damage to both Alex Gianturco the real life person and Eve as a game then what the Mittani did in those few minutes whilst being drunk on stage. |
Caitlin Fox
House Harkonnen.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 09:28:00 -
[1530] - Quote
i cannot really take this apology srs...it sounds like a politician that says "sorry". just to save his ass not to apology |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 .. 181 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |