Hey, I just got a brilliant idea !

Introduce fleet penalties ! More people in fleet, bigger penalty ! Goons dead. End of story.

Clone Vat Bay is horribly broken or well absolutely worthless, due to following Problems:

- makes you immoblie (no warp, move, jump)
- has a duration of 3 mins and needs to be activated
- installation process is horribly complicated (needs pilot to invite "customer")

- costs something

- Usage is a oneway process, because it works only to jump to it not from it, therefor the clones in there have no imps unless carried with the titan. Horrible work if 75 dudes need there specific imps (Warfare imps, Hardwirings, ....)

- Module needs to be active to jump to titan
- You pop out of the titan around it, you have to board your ship and put in your imps before you can start the engagement.

All this makes this module only useful for Interdictor pilots or similar roles but in a very specific case....

Don't **** up this thread with your rubbish, it's the closest we have gotten to the Devs actually acknowledging what the real problem is.

What I'm Down has listed would be one of the single greatest improvements to the game in a long time. CCP made numerous references at fanfest about restructuring ships and modules to shake up the games stale fittings/fleet compositions, however this change would do a far greater job at this than any of the gimmick modules suggested. At the same time fixing the crux of the issue with not only Titans but several other ships and weapon systems.

You know the funny part ? In the previous thread all the goons smacked everyone that was against the titan nerf regardless of everything with Mittani saying "you did that to yourself". None of you ( goons or test ) came with other solutions you were pleased that titans went to hell and that is it. Apparently now you "find" solutions when it doesn't suite your requirements. Why didn't you want to talk to the dev then and saying hey dude this is a little harsh lets rethink for a moment? Bunch of hypocrits.

Clone Vat Bay is horribly broken or well absolutely worthless, due to following Problems:

- makes you immoblie (no warp, move, jump)
- has a duration of 3 mins and needs to be activated
- installation process is horribly complicated (needs pilot to invite "customer")
- costs something
- Usage is a oneway process, because it works only to jump to it not from it, therefor the clones in there have no imps unless carried with the titan. Horrible work if 75 dudes need there specific imps (Warfare imps, Hardwirings, ....)
- Module needs to be active to jump to titan
- You pop out of the titan around it, you have to board your ship and put in your imps before you can start the engagement.

All this makes this module only useful for Interdictor pilots or similar roles but in a very specific case....

Yeah because that thread was filled with quality posts and brilliant ideas, right?. Such brilliant ideas as "**** U CCP AND **** GOONS GO BACK TO PERPLEX ONLINE." There were occasional posts which actually warranted discussion, but for the most part they were overshadowed by a bunch of people crying that their precious "IM SPECIAL" toys were getting nerfed.


No one thought it wasn't extreme, but that doesn't mean we didn't think it was needed also. As it stand, by removing the scan res change they are doing effectively nothing, and what needs to happen is a quick fix to keep Titans from doing what they do now until a more permanent solution is implemented. Some of the best suggestions might take effort, but that's what happens when they introduce changes which will effectively do nothing to fix Titans.

Hey, I just got a brilliant idea !

Introduce fleet penalties ! More people in fleet, bigger penalty ! Goons dead. End of story.

We have to admit that goons have a negative impact over the eve community.

We can only hope so.

Dear sir, your alliance and especially Andski were **** talking everyone. People have a right to express their concerns about the things that they don't like after all we are customers. No matter what you think that an idea is brilliant or not is an idea from a customer that is paying the subscription fee the same as you do. We have to admit that goons have a negative impact over the eve community.

It's almost certainly outside the scope for a near-future patch, but revisting Clone vats is definitely on the list for giving titans a non-combat frontline role. Consider this:

a) Scrap the current clone-installation method for clone vats. Make it so that they no longer contain jump clones in their current form. Remove the 'max clone limit' too.
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c) [b]Allow pilots to instantly clone-jump from a station to an active clone vat module on a ship in the same fleet as them, ..

d) Change the Clone Vat skill to affect how many people can use the module per cycle, so it is worth skilling up. E.g. 10 people per cycle at level 1, up to 50 people per cycle at level 5.

Greyscale,

Please consider special-casing XL turrets and implementing a signature radius based solution. If you modify chancetohit (from http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage ) by adding a sigrad based falloff function, but restrict the implementation just to XL turrets, it could be done very quickly. In time for the April escalation release, if not earlier. Plus, special-casing XL would mean subcap v subcap gameplay is not affected and nobody would really care if XL turrets were "special" with respect to sigrad effects. I think if you locked yourself, Masterplan, and Soundwave in a room this could be done in a matter of hours.

here is a thought for goonoobs: instead of crying how about each mittani voter come up with 13 mils a day this way u can get daily a titan char and titan ! kk thx and thought this was possible heard alot of botting in dekklein! true story!

Greyscale,

Please consider special-casing XL turrets and implementing a signature radius based solution. If you modify chancetohit (from http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage ) by adding a sigrad based falloff function, but restrict the implementation just to XL turrets, it could be done very quickly. In time for the April escalation release, if not earlier. Plus, special-casing XL would mean subcap v subcap gameplay is not affected and nobody would really care if XL turrets were "special" with respect to sigrad effects. I think if you locked yourself, Masterplan, and Soundwave in a room this could be done in a matter of hours.

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Would you at least be open to not making it a special case and instead extending something like this to all turret classes? This kind of nuance is what leads to depth in the combat system, especially with regards to David v Goliath scenarios.

There is also the question, if you field 50 Ships worth 70b each, you should be somehow able to vaporize an enemy fleet, that has only the value of one or two of these ships

dude, the problem is not sig radius the way you've suggested.

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after reading dozens of pages, i still cannot see why you can't simply multiply the actual applied turret damage with something like max(1, sig radius / sqrt(gun resolution)).

CCP Greyscale, don't mind the goons and their pets...There's no rush regarding the titans, really. I could wait a couple of more years. There's no need to cut the tracking with 50%, nor the targets. A frigate has more targets FFS. Increase tracking speed so I can hear the goon's cry for mercy.

Thanks in advance,

Acwron

P.S. Don't forget that Titan is the best and most expensive ship in game and that's the way should stay. Until you release Titan tech 2 and officer guns for it ! YEAH !

Greyscale,

Please consider special-casing XL turrets and implementing a signature radius based solution. If you modify chancetohit (from http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage ) by adding a sigrad based falloff function, but restrict the implementation just to XL turrets, it could be done very quickly. In time for the April escalation release, if not earlier. Plus, special-casing XL would mean subcap v subcap gameplay is not affected and nobody would really care if XL turrets were "special" with respect to sigrad effects. I think if you locked yourself, Masterplan, and Soundwave in a room this could be done in a matter of hours.

Works for me

Target painters, for the most part.

I personally like the idea of completely removing supercap ewar immunity.

This is actually something we're evaluating at the moment, alongside a large built-in WCS bonus. The big issue is that it also makes it possible to use assistance modules on them (tracking links etc) which potentially undoes all the benefits.

This is actually something we're evaluating at the moment, alongside a large built-in WCS bonus. The big issue is that it also makes it possible to use assistance modules on them (tracking links etc) which potentially undoes all the benefits.