they already have very high sensor strength and just 1 eccm (again screwing over shield titans) almost doubles that

and in the end you have just glossed over the problem, should you not be able to correctly put some ewar strat into action youve still lost your fleet to something broken, just now you have some half cocked reason as a glossy excuse.

Furthermore, the decision we've made is based partly on a desire to avoid special-casing so this sort of approach isn't really on the table right now.

Titans today allready shoot structures. A modified DD would just compensate for the gun removal. But yes, I am all for a capital revamp.

Yup, but it is reliably doing ~200k EHP damage every single volley, which ought to be plenty enough to one-hit most battleships.

Correction, the dreads can't hit the broad side of a barn by themselves. However, paired up with some webbing support ships the Dreads are a great weapon. I understand that such support might not be feasible or practical in null sec but in w-space the Dreads have an important role. Nerfing them to fix Titans will inadvertently impact the game play of many w-space residents.

still think that titans shouldn't be able to hit subcaps.. or if they are even able to too the biggest they can hit is a battleship that is at 0 speed and transversal with 100 TP's on it

No.

Titans can only inflict their dread-compareable DPS at relativly short ranges (+ Doomsday all 10 Minutes).

There is also the question, if you field 50 Ships worth 70b each, you should be somehow able to vaporize an enemy fleet, that has only the value of one or two of these ships

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... discussion of missile volleys...
Incorrect. Its volley at full is 153k. Its volley at half (with 3x TP and 2x web in a "perfect" situation) is half that. Our Maelstrom fitting is approx 118k EHP, so even in this "perfect" situation, it still does not one-volley a Maelstrom.

There is also the question, if you field 50 Ships worth 70b each, you should be somehow able to vaporize an enemy fleet, that has only the value of one or two of these ships

There is also the question, if you field 50 Ships worth 70b each, you should be somehow able to vaporize an enemy fleet, that has only the value of one or two of these ships

Battles which are effected by these masses of titans are between entities, which both can afford to lose dozens of these.

Ranges:
Titans can only inflict their dread-compareable DPS at relativly short ranges (+ Doomsday all 10 Minutes).
Motherships can inflict their fighterbomber dps at over 200km where titans won't hit them at all (except DDs)

DPS/Tank:
Titans that are fitted for rapes, are not fitted to max tank. So they are realativly vuernable
Motherships can always carry their nearly titan tank and to unleash their imense DPS


Signature:
Titans **** these Drakes and Maelstroms because they have a huge signature. Shieldtanks (Maels/Drakes) do have a big signature which enables these tracking fitted/booster boosted titans (!) to hit subcaps at all. Aditionally, these perma mwding drakes also have a very big signature from their mwd-> easy to hit for titans. So there is a reason why these titans are effective at all.

You have to take on compromisses with Titans to kill supportfleets and have to put them into great danger of being lost.

Some entities made wrong decisions by not using their recources in the past to build a suiting fleet for their upcomming enemy. There never was a doubt how many Titans and Motherships are around and could be fielded against them. That these ships would knock on their door one day was expectable. Now these entities shoud should have to deal with their decissions they made in the past.

At least if this is a sandbox, where your decision matters and can have an influence on the entire universe. The ballance is fine.

There is also the question, if you field 50 Ships worth 70b each, you should be somehow able to vaporize an enemy fleet, that has only the value of one or two of these ships

This by the way is a diversion from the fact that The Mittani messed up at fanfest, and pulling out a new topic about titans to side track the real issue in eve at this time.

Trolling is against the forum rules. Please stop.

This is exactly what this forum post is about, so that The Mittani's inexcusable behaviour at fanfest on the alliance panel can be quietly swept under the table.

Titans that are fitted for rapes, are not fitted to max tank. So they are realativly vuernable

I apologize, but I'm going to have to report you for trolling.

This has a decent chance of being a good long-term fix (we'd have to think about it some more), but it's too large in scope for this release, unfortunately.

I do not understand how the tracking formula works..

[quote=CCP Greyscale]
Important to keep in mind that Titans are 100Bill ISK ships and whit out them the largest blobb would always win.

Also, CCP Greyscale, since you've not replied I've taken this chance to produce 2 more graphs for you.

These are without MWD on, as all the others have had the MWD on for the target Maelstrom.

With webs: http://i.imgur.com/Meg3i.png

Without: http://i.imgur.com/2ez3h.png

because you fly a missile titan, knowing full well how horrible they are, you are trying to push for the rest of the titans to do the same. Please can you make your next graphs into pie charts?