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Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:59:00 -
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I honestly can't believe the stupid reaction you took in response to "that guy's" comments. Whoever is on your legal department needs to be fired. Any company with any sort of self preservation would have responded with a drastic form separation from "him".
Also, responding with a 30 ban? Do you guys not even watch the news? Check the world news and read about what go's on the UK and the US related to "Cyber-Bullying."
Here, let me help your legal department: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=cyber+bullying&oq=cyber+bul&aq=1&aqi=d1g1d1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1356l3778l0l5241l11l11l1l4l4l0l105l507l5.1l6l0
For the sake of your company and the game I love so much, wake up! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
527
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:03:00 -
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http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
Hes gonna test them.
Showing that he has no freaking understanding that what he did was wrong and that he is still getting of light.
Listen to him pretty much try to not man up about taking responsibility for his own actions.
From the guys that scream HTFU. This is their leader. A man that would not HTFU when time came for him to do so and be a leader and be a man.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
White-Lotus
500
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:03:00 -
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Everyone on the internet has an opinion.
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Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:06:00 -
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GOGO INTERNET LAWYER MIGHT SPOUTING INTERNET LAWYER YEAH!
In the US Cyberbully laws only apply to those under the age of 18. Also I'm pretty sure the "target" or legal guardian/caretaker has to complain. Of course I am not one of those elite arm chair lawyers so it's possible I'm making **** up or have had bad sources. |
Judge Solace
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:06:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
Hes gonna test them.
Showing that he has no freaking understanding that what he did was wrong and that he is still getting of light.
Listen to him pretty much try to not man up about taking responsibility for his own actions.
From the guys that scream HTFU. This is their leader. A man that would not HTFU when time came for him to do so and be a leader and be a man.
He so mad. Oooh he so mad. He so pissed. And not from alcohol this time either.
Can someone from GSF ask him if he wears adult diapers and sucks his thumb? |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:10:00 -
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under the leadership of mitardi, the goons will bleed themself dry.
I suggest the goons band together and get rid of mitardi and find a new leader that will take them to fields full of flowers where they may collect nectar and produce it into heavenly honey.
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:11:00 -
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This thread is a literal goldmine of terrible people posting about terrible things that they know nothing about. Thrill yourselves all around and may God have mercy on your terrible souls. |
Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:15:00 -
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Joseph Sulaco wrote:GOGO INTERNET LAWYER MIGHT SPOUTING INTERNET LAWYER YEAH! In the US Cyberbully laws only apply to those under the age of 18. Also I'm pretty sure the "target" or legal guardian/caretaker has to complain. Of course I am not one of those elite arm chair lawyers so it's possible I'm making **** up or have had bad sources.
Have at it:
California
PENAL CODE
SECTION 422-422.4
422. (a) Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.
Fine, lets change the terminology to cyber harassment. Happy now? |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:16:00 -
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Aiden Andraste wrote:This thread is a literal goldmine of terrible people posting about terrible things that they know nothing about. Thrill yourselves all around and may God have mercy on your terrible souls.
Dat post history o' yours. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
201
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:17:00 -
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This just in. California is everywhere. |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:30:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere.
Exactly!
Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on.
IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD. |
Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:33:00 -
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Joseph Sulaco wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. Exactly! Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on. IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD.
I used it as a mere example. I forgot I'm arguing with the "EVE" forums. To hell with it. I made my point. Moving On. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae
ROMANIAN-LEGION
51
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:34:00 -
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Speech good except for the throw me under the bus trying to guilt trip. He seriously didn't expect a temp ban? |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:Joseph Sulaco wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. Exactly! Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on. IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD. I used it as a mere example. I forgot I'm arguing with the "EVE" forums. To hell with it. I made my point. Moving On.
No I think the issue is you failed to make a point. Or rather your point was here >.< and the issue is over there -----------> |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:37:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere.
This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:38:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Speech good except for the throw me under the bus trying to guilt trip. He seriously didn't expect a temp ban?
I think its all just an amazingly childish tantrum he is throwing.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
122
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:39:00 -
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Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?
As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion.
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism.
Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á
Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |
Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
19
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:42:00 -
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Alexander Gianturco
United States
Personal web page
The Mittani
GoonWaffe(GEWNS)
Goonswarm Federation(CONDI)
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/votingResults.asp |
Serene Repose
Perkone
Caldari State
439
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:43:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1031536#post1031536Cyber bullying? Icelandic lawyering? Take a look at Iceland's media law. See if any of this sort of FITS under it.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:45:00 -
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Tobias Sjodin wrote:Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?
As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion.
This. I started playing Eve to kill Goons, and now I'm inadvertantly thrust to their side of the issue because the rest of the carebears can't find room in their panties for their freshly descended ********* and are just in the WORST mood about it.
"SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Joseph Sulaco
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:48:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad.
I'm totally sure the Federal US is going to push for extradition for internet spaceships. |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
19
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:57:00 -
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Wait wasnt all this stuff said and done in Iceland where the US has no juristiction? |
Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
19
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:58:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote:Tobias Sjodin wrote:Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?
As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion. This. I started playing Eve to kill Goons, and now I'm inadvertantly thrust to their side of the issue because the rest of the carebears can't find room in their panties for their freshly descended ********* and are just in the WORST mood about it.
Game greifing, perfectly fun, what I love most about eve.
Joking about someone committing suicide and hinting at possible encouragement of such act. Honestly, where do people not see something wrong with that?
The dude joked about a guy committing suicide. (And The Wis may have some under lying condition that people don't know about.) Line crossed, thanks for playing, time for you do something else with your free time. Mr. Alexander Gianturco perception of reality and gaming has blurred.
In a hyper politically correct world, you have to be careful what you say. There are social norms, and this isn't being recognized. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
91
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:02:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Tobias Sjodin wrote:Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?
As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion. This. I started playing Eve to kill Goons, and now I'm inadvertantly thrust to their side of the issue because the rest of the carebears can't find room in their panties for their freshly descended ********* and are just in the WORST mood about it. Game greifing, perfectly fun, what I love most about eve. Joking about someone committing suicide and hinting at possible encouragement of such act. Honestly, where do people not see something wrong with that? The dude joked about a guy committing suicide. (And The Wis may have some under lying condition that people don't know about.) Line crossed, thanks for playing, time for you do something else with your free time. Mr. Alexander Gianturco perception of reality and gaming has blurred. In a hyper politically correct world, you have to be careful what you say. There are social norms, and this isn't being recognized.
"Guys, its TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE to extend EVE grudges to real life." ~*attempts to get a nerd extradited and tried in criminal court over an off-color joke*~ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:03:00 -
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Joseph Sulaco wrote:RougeOperator wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad. I'm totally sure the Federal US is going to push for extradition for internet spaceships.
He lives in the USA. Sigh.
They don't have to extradite him anywhere. Hes already here.
And probable that he violated several US laws with what he said.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:06:00 -
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Ai Mei wrote:Wait wasnt all this stuff said and done in Iceland where the US has no juristiction?
You are subject to US laws while abroad.
Basically if you break a US law in another country you can be brought up on charges in the US for that crime.
This came about in the lat 90s early 00s because of the sex tours to other countries.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:07:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Misato Katsuragi wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Tobias Sjodin wrote:Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?
As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion. This. I started playing Eve to kill Goons, and now I'm inadvertantly thrust to their side of the issue because the rest of the carebears can't find room in their panties for their freshly descended ********* and are just in the WORST mood about it. Game greifing, perfectly fun, what I love most about eve. Joking about someone committing suicide and hinting at possible encouragement of such act. Honestly, where do people not see something wrong with that? The dude joked about a guy committing suicide. (And The Wis may have some under lying condition that people don't know about.) Line crossed, thanks for playing, time for you do something else with your free time. Mr. Alexander Gianturco perception of reality and gaming has blurred. In a hyper politically correct world, you have to be careful what you say. There are social norms, and this isn't being recognized. "Guys, its TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE to extend EVE grudges to real life." ~*attempts to get a nerd extradited and tried in criminal court over an off-color joke*~
And yet people have been tried for less. Additionally, from a company image stand point, wouldn't you want to separate yourself that? FAR as you could from that?
In the interest of my company, I would quickly and quietly push this under the table and pray no one would have seen this. Yet, now that this story is leaking out, CCP has an image to protect.
This thread is about CCP's legal team and their composite risk management guys.... |
Sobach
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:12:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad.
I live in the US, and I couldn't give two fks about what california law says, because I don't live there. The idea that california state laws will have jurisdiction outside of its state border, much less in a foreign country, is laughably stupid at the least.
the application of US laws overseas on US citizens is very specific on a case-by-case basis that usually involves federal statutes/treaties, not state laws. Generally speaking, if you're in a foreign country, you're bound by the local laws and are under their jurisdiction. A US military member is bound by the UCMJ regardless of where he is at for example, but if you drive down the autobahn at 150 mph or smoke pot in Amsterdam, you're not gonna get prosecuted when you return stateside, even though both are illegal in just about every state. |
Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus
En Garde
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:23:00 -
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Sobach wrote:RougeOperator wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This just in. California is everywhere. This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad. I live in the US, and I couldn't give two fks about what california law says, because I don't live there. The idea that california state laws will have jurisdiction outside of its state border, much less in a foreign country, is laughably stupid at the least. the application of US laws overseas on US citizens is very specific on a case-by-case basis that usually involves federal statutes/treaties, not state laws. Generally speaking, if you're in a foreign country, you're bound by the local laws and are under their jurisdiction. A US military member is bound by the UCMJ regardless of where he is at for example, but if you drive down the autobahn at 150 mph or smoke pot in Amsterdam, you're not gonna get prosecuted when you return stateside, even though both are illegal in just about every state.
You missed the point, I guess i should have posted every US state law there was. That's the problem in utilizing samples, people take it at face value and that's it. I USED THIS AS A SAMPLE! There's obviously a ton of laws on cyber bullying, harassment, etc. What I accept as "common knowledge" isn't as common as I thought.
I would have thought that people would have realized that they are laws against being **** bags against other people over the internet. And like I said before, those lines blurr between reality and gaming.
People like EVE because you can spend your time ******* around like a ******, scamming, looting, pillaging, and harassing other players.
Ironically enough, CCP allowed this behavior because it's fun, it's why we all play EVE. However, when this behavior crosses over into real life, CCP now suddenly realizes they have another PR problem.
This is probably a serious underlying issue that CCP may have stumbled over with gaming as a whole, and will probably only get much worse as time goes on.
Like I said, their lawyers and their composite risk management guys dropped the ball on this one. |
Anya Klibor
Error-404
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:24:00 -
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Misato Katsuragi wrote:I honestly can't believe the stupid reaction you took in response to "that guy's" comments. Whoever is on your legal department needs to be fired. Any company with any sort of self preservation would have responded with a drastic form separation from "him".
They kind of did. By removing his ability to participate in the CSM they distanced themselves very clearly from his remarks. Remember, Mittens had no problems mentioning that he was chairman of the CSM, and at the same time pointing out that he was a conduit between the game developers and the players.
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