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SuperSarge
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:47:00 -
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some bob member: "I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate"
anyone else think about 300?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:48:00 -
[152]
 Originally by: SuperSarge
some bob member: "I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate"
anyone else think about 300?
Look up my answer on page 5 - yes there is "300" quote ;p
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Loike
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:49:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. 
Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB.
...and still fail.
...and still lose capital fleets to them.
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:50:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: SuperSarge
some bob member: "I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate"
anyone else think about 300?
Look up my answer on page 5 - yes there is "300" quote ;p
Halo 3 sprang to mind for me actually..
Awesome EVE history
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:50:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB.
...and still fail.
...and still lose capital fleets to them.
Dont bother - even tho hes TCF hes still bitter rzr newb. Even some razor are sick of him poasting (read on kugutsu - fun stuff).
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Misha specijalac
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:53:00 -
[156]
Hastrabull, this game is becoming a S..t. Lets talk about WAR. What is it? 
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:53:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB.
...and still fail.
...and still lose capital fleets to them.
Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago.
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Phaedruss
Rat Katchers inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:58:00 -
[158]
Wow...just Wow.
Assuming NC had intel on how many BoB and friends were in M-O when they made the decision to jump their fleet in, there couldn't possibly have been any doubt whatsoever about what the result was going to be of having so many in system, could there? I mean surely there is enough experience in large fleet battles there to know beyond a shadow of a doubt what was going to happen.
Sure, Eve just doesn't deliver when it comes to large fleet stuff, but at the very least, BoB and friends got it right by being in the system initially, and forced the decision to crash the node to save the towers on the NC leadership. I guess there were three choices from there: let the towers die, jump a decent sized fleet in with intent to do battle, or jump a blob in knowing the consequences and complain about it on the forums. We know which one was chosen.
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Lee ChanKa
Most Wanted INC
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:08:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 30/09/2008 14:08:40
good post Mole
im just wondering if GBC hawe like 300 ppl in local or 500 same thing
why the **** you jumped more 500 in local(NC)?
what you was think server will hold 1000 ppl in m-o or over 1000..if YOUR FC know ther is 500 hostiles in local and he jumping 500 wtf you expect..and after you jumped and lose fight what wining thet BOB cheeting thet is bulshit ...im neutral to bouth side so jumpin in m-o was completly stupid decision who ever FC with NC force..or be before in M-O and wait GBC or dont jump and wine on EVE how they didnt provide fight with no lag for 1200 ppl in local with drones fighters out all towers and rest objects in space...you can split NC force and do something useful then to bring 2x more ppl then gbc and to chrash node...
about how BOB log in before you..i will tell you they hawe more expirience in this fights then you..if you take BoB force(not GBC) which is on 95% killmails and NC force combination of 30% expirienced pvp players(some MM and rzr) and 70% farmers(all rest NC) no nead calculation of final result...
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Broutte Minou
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:20:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42
On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ?
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:23:00 -
[161]
Originally by: bulabuba
Edited by: bulabuba on 30/09/2008 13:38:36
Whoa. Deja Vu.
Someone should go dig up some old threads from the ASCN war. Same pattern, same smack, same result.
Everyone jumps in, server lags out, node crashes, BoB gets back first, BoB wins. Everyone cries haxploit, nobody cares. If this war goes like that one. One or two more of these and the NC will get the message that they're just throwing good isk after bad, and quit.
You just need to face up to something folks. They're better at it than you are. They care about winning at this game more than you do. There isn't any length to which they won't go to win.
I'm not suggesting that they're hacking. I am suggesting that they do surf lag and node crashes better than anyone in the game. They've figured out how. Probably spent a lot of time doing it. Again, they just care more than you do.
So, different war, different year, pretty much the same Molle post. I'm sure he lives to make them, and has probably sacrificed a lot so that he can. The only sad part about all of this is that a superior ability to surf the lag and crashes still holds this much advantage after this much time.
It really is time for the mechanics to change. Radically. BoB's knowledge of how to win like this is hard gained, and well deserved, I'm sure, but at the end of the day, winning and losing should come down to playing the game, not being able to play the servers.
Right, I coudlnt even log in my GBC alt into M-O but listening in to TS let me tell you why BoB won. It really isn't particularly radical or revolutionary.
1) Unified voice comms and command - everyone knew what to do, to log in and get to that gate. Everyone. No ifs, buts, or delays.
2) They seiged their dreads. NC didn't.
3) They focused on primaries, NC were spreading their fire, not under effective FC'ing, or both.
NC were doomed to fail in the event of node crash. They were poorly organised, poorly led (in comparison to BoB), lacking in strategy PLUS they had the natural disadvantage of being late into the system and having to load grid etc.
It was never going to end well for the NC, and the reasons for that are more to do with their failings than anything special that BoB do. BoB just play the game sensibly.
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Alia Ursul
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:23:00 -
[162]
Mad props to GBC FC and crew. Was nice to hear such calm collected target calling and orders. Sad the node took so long to load I missed a great number of kills. But was still happy to supply the damage I could.
To live is to game - in some way
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:24:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Broutte Minou
Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42
On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ?
I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:26:00 -
[164]
Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 30/09/2008 14:27:12
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB.
...and still fail.
...and still lose capital fleets to them.
Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago.
There are 2 explanations for TRI doing that:
-their inability to deal with difficulties
-NC inability to deal with anything
Reason is pretty obvious for anyone
Also flying with NC must be boring as hell, waiting to get 3:1 odds & stuff :D
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Shrike
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:27:00 -
[165]
Originally by: O Thief
Originally by: Broutte Minou
Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42
On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ?
I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed.
Someone give this man a cookie, he gets it.
Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Loike
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:31:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH.
Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB.
...and still fail.
...and still lose capital fleets to them.
Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago.
Lol. Considering I joined relatively soon after that, and hearing that the reason that Tri pulled out is because everyone else was completely incompetent, I don't think you really carry much weight in that argument.
Also, Funny how we bail from anything difficult....considering we've spent the last few months fighting the entire NC in Vale / Venal. That was pretty difficult if you ask me...considering I was there for the majority of the fights.
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Engad Tanon
Caldari
Enterprise Estonia
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:34:00 -
[167]
nice reading. Go MAX!
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Misha specijalac
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:51:00 -
[168]
Next time... (if I ever play this anymore) I will fit 2x relog and 1x grid booster and aaaaaalllll will be just fine.
And u guys rly dream on if u think that NC is some kind of a noob organisation with no exp at all. Living there for years farming etc... all untill CCP decided to move them out of there.
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Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:54:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Shrike
Originally by: O Thief
Originally by: Broutte Minou
Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42
On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ?
I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed.
Someone give this man a cookie, he gets it.
that's right.
just like war with ASCN. we had nods crashes all the time but when FC said
"Log In, gents" you log back in. some sat on black screen, some never logged in
but those who logged in were kicking the living sh1t out of the enemy on a grid.
simple as that.
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Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:55:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
- NC has dealt quite well with everything, except BoB. Had they not been attacked from 3 different directions, the matters would have be different. Does BoB even remember how it was when it happened to them, to be attacked in the South, Querios and Fountain? To have pets torn a part?
- Be it, superior firepower, numbers, logistics, higher ground, BoB has always waited for the right time to have better odds. Implying the contrary is just pure propaganda and hypocrisy. Implying the others shouldn't wait for better odds is a blatant attempt to insult an opponent.
Feel free to feel insulted by bob winning in m-o with 50% less people than NC+co. |
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Buddrow
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:55:00 -
[171]
Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. |
Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:57:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago.
Lol. Considering I joined relatively soon after that, and hearing that the reason that Tri pulled out is because everyone else was completely incompetent, I don't think you really carry much weight in that argument.
They were incompetent as you are incompetent when you ask BoB for numbers when you can't eat the bite and coordinate on your own bigger plans.
Originally by: Loike
Also, Funny how we bail from anything difficult....considering we've spent the last few months fighting the entire NC in Vale / Venal. That was pretty difficult if you ask me...considering I was there for the majority of the fights.
In the Vale you "fought" Hydra on your own and got helped by BoB when you couldn't take the heat, i.e. MM freely cynoing caps all over your newly conquered systems. You were too scared to pull out your own caps. Fighting a carebear alliance like Hydra is very far from fighting anything difficult.
Like many other said, TRI would have a hard time when BoB leaves the area, provided they leave.
So, saying TRI is not bailing on difficult stuff is just a thing that keeps your selfesteem pumping.
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Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:58:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Buddrow
Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit.
wow, ello, boss. good to see you being still around o/
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Toko Baru
28th Day Industries
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 14:58:00 -
[174]
NC = Nice Chicken!
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Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:01:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Toko Baru
NC = Nice Chicken!
omg :]
good one
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Kenion
North Star Networks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:01:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Kenion on 30/09/2008 15:03:53
Nice writeup.
And btw I couldn't log in for 2 hours after the first node crash so after that I said screw this and went to sleep.
I heard/read later that NC had begun to escape the field when they finally managed to log in again in M-O, leaving their mates behind and I don't think that the fc's of NC ordered half the people to log in and escape, and the other half to fight. And btw why didn't NC dreads enter siege from the moment they started to fire their guns, not for a whole hour and at the same time having dual dd tank fitted ships, no wonder you get out dps'd. The problem is simply poor leadership.
I've witnessed this myself as a former NC member until I decided to join up with my fellow Swedish comrades (b4 we were EXE). And that was my main reason for leaving NC as well.
Also BoB has been around forever now, and with that many very experienced and competent FC's have emerged. Also the general population of BoB is built up with dedicated,high sp, experienced people. So no wonder NC looses cause BoB quite simply beats them in all those aspects.
This will probably be flamed to hell but thats just my 2 cents.
Good fight and hope to see many more from the NC.
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Athena Rivera
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:03:00 -
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That was another interesting fight as it happened last night with hostiles flooding in despite the fact that the nodes have crashed a few more times. gg to all who have fought over m-o and even once I would say that it was redux of F-T's cap fight in the south. While GBC has the upper hand, let's crash some more nodes while we're at it. PewPew!!
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gigX
SRBI
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:08:00 -
[178]
Tactic of SirMolle
BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do."
SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this......
(NC is jumping in M-O)
[SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"]
- Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected -
[SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"]
(BOB is logging in M-O)
- CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet -
[SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"]
- CCP doing rollback -
[SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"]
(BOB is killing NC fleet)
The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet.
As you can see SirMolle playing good chess.
You can ask him how much he paid for this night.
This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago.......
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Rovin
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:09:00 -
[179]
Molle you should have that crappy sig banned.
Doesn't follow forum policy's  |
Rehmes
Minmatar
RillaCorp
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.30 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Angevian
A great way to win when outnumbered 2-1 is to display, once again, your uncanny ability to create and benefit from node crashes.
I think people have lost count of how many times bob has come out of situations like this and I don't recall even ONCE where you didn't get the upper hand because of a node crash.
Given that Devs were (and presumably still are) in bob and have cheated for you in the past what's to say that you weren't handed more knowledge of how the server works than is publicly documented?
Are you sure you cant recall even ONE time BoB and the GBC lost due to a node crash? Not even ONE?
The most recent one was 15W if memory serves.
Dig up just about even NC chest-beating post and you will see the times they won by flooding a system and gettign the upperhand loading back up.
The difference is we dont cry for hours about NC haxors and bring out our tin foil (not that we could considering they are solely manufactured by RKK and sold to NC only).
You threw a ridiculous amout of people into a system and hoped you'd win due to sheer numbers. Sometimes its worked sometimes it hasnt (happened to you before against INSURG). Perhaps your FCs should rethink the swarm mentality and learn from it. |
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