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Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:49:00 - [481] Hmmm this is a weird thing to do but my fingers are almost autotyping.... stooooooop!! But i agree with some of the points bitter dog has put up.... not all of them but some of them at least. Yes some seriously errors of judgement were made, bridging into the gate being one of them. But even in saying that I had my cloaking alt on the gate when it all kicked off and after the initial DD the sheer numbers of those coming in would have overwhelmed the GBC support on the gate and given us the bridgehead i think the FC's were hoping for. At this point the game was very very playable... But then the GBC caps warped in... our's were given the jump order and everything went pear shaped. I have seen the screenshot from another thread 'proving' NC and friends caps on the field. My name is sitting there right in the middle of the overview list but I can 100% guarantee you my client did not load in over 2 hours of trying. One of my corp mates lost his dread at 1203, but we also know 100% he logged at 1100... go figure that one. Of course the standard CCP response is a cut and paste 'we can't see anything wrong on our logs yadda yadda bla bla go f*** yourself but don't forget to send your cash at the end of the month. This is not the first time it's happened and i personally have been on the other side... no where near the same degree as this.... but nevertheless where GBC ships were just sitting there in a turkey shoot. But let me tell you one subtle difference.... the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. You also didn't get was the bobbutthuggers association kind of remarks that the NC seem to attract. Well y'all know what i have two fat cheeks attached to my lower spine, feel free to pucker up and plant one on either 'cause this aint over just yet!! To bastardise completely a really good quote : 'The NC is coming! You tell them were coming . . . and Hell's coming with us! You hear?! Hell's coming with us! (and don't go gettin all nutty on me... it's a tongue in cheek kinda quote)
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:54:00 - [482] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Well, I asked some BoB pilots too and they told me only morrons would train capital weapons at 5. Once you get to 40-50m SP on your cap pilot, there really isn't anything else to train but L5 of the cap skills..... There's no real point of cross-training into smaller ships as most cap pilots have multiple accounts, so what else to train? I could once have forsworn that I'd train skills of that rank to 5, but here I am, training L5 of JDC on my cap alt. Next ones scheduled are the dread damage and stront skills... I have no doubt that there are people who specialize their accounts into very heavy training skills. Claiming BoB is uber and the others sucks, all basing from EFT and rumours is just plain rubbish.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:02:00 - [483] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. It's called Payback. Ah good old Metal Dude, I know you like a fight, wouldn't it have been better to beat them in a fight.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:11:00 - [484] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. So you think we should just let NC kill our pos coming out of reinforced in a couple of hours?
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:17:00 - [485] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. It's called Payback. Ah good old Metal Dude, I know you like a fight, wouldn't it have been better to beat them in a fight. Sure dude. But that will not happen in this game with these numbers and since NC would shoot us like turkeys if they got the chance, we are just returning the favor from few weeks ago. The truth will set you free
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:37:00 - [486] Originally by: Heptameron the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. if you think about that, you'll see its not a charitable act... there is a reason for it ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Siris Gallente Exuberant	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:39:00 - [487] Originally by: Tzrailasa ~10-15 dreads shooting our target-caller for more than an hour, Enough. List of names please.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:33:00 - [488] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Heptameron the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. if you think about that, you'll see its not a charitable act... there is a reason for it That's your assumption... not one based on fact and being there at the time. Beleive it or not (just for once take my word for it), personally I don't give a rats rear, i was there and more than a couple of the NC felt a wee bit guilty about shooting stuff that could not shoot back and the FC decided not to shoot pods and let them leave eventually with a semblance of pride intact. That my friend earned that FC a lot of respect from me.... don't expect it from anyone else but hey, it's only a game right?
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:33:00 - [489] ..Curious...
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:41:00 - [490] Originally by: emf As a dread pilot if I heard the FC command to not enter siege during a battle like this I'd get the hell out of that alliance as soon as possible. It's like ordering carriers to deploy heavy drones instead of fighters so that there would be more spares. damn you guys don't like to look at a complete picture huh?? So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. As for your heavy drone comment, well shaft me with a large blunt object if that's not the stupidest analogy i've heard since comparing molle to an ancient chinese warlord with tactical ability. But then you do come from a 10 man corp, and have 220 kills to your name....

Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:43:00 - [491] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 17:46:13 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Well, I asked some BoB pilots too and they told me only morrons would train capital weapons at 5. Once you get to 40-50m SP on your cap pilot, there really isn't anything else to train but L5 of the cap skills..... There's no real point of cross-training into smaller ships as most cap pilots have multiple accounts, so what else to train? I could once have forsworn that I'd train skills of that rank to 5, but here I am, training L5 of JDC on my cap alt. Next ones scheduled are the dread damage and stront skills... I have no doubt that there are people who specialize their accounts into very heavy training skills. Claiming BoB is uber and the others sucks, all basing from EFT and rumours is just plain rubbish. Given that we already have killmails recently from NC dreads who fited t1 Siege launchers to their dreads, it does make your comments look rather daft. Difference is that every dread pilot in gbc knows that every other one has a minimum standard of all capital pilots. In NC, people are putting in t1 bs weapons on their dreads ffs. No its nothing to do with skills according to you. So someone stating that siege mode vs non siege mode is just EFT rubbish? You know, if only I could give you an example of real world pvp where Sieged dreads fought unsieged dreads, then that would answer the question. Oh Wait...... -- Billion Isk Mission
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:44:00 - [492] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: emf As a dread pilot if I heard the FC command to not enter siege during a battle like this I'd get the hell out of that alliance as soon as possible. It's like ordering carriers to deploy heavy drones instead of fighters so that there would be more spares. damn you guys don't like to look at a complete picture huh?? So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. As for your heavy drone comment, well shaft me with a large blunt object if that's not the stupidest analogy i've heard since comparing molle to an ancient chinese warlord with tactical ability. But then you do come from a 10 man corp, and have 220 kills to your name.... i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :)
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:45:00 - [493] So you guys were making up your mind for hours? Sorry, gonna have to side with bob on that. It's just such a bad call it's not even funny. Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:45:00 - [494] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: emf As a dread pilot if I heard the FC command to not enter siege during a battle like this I'd get the hell out of that alliance as soon as possible. It's like ordering carriers to deploy heavy drones instead of fighters so that there would be more spares. damn you guys don't like to look at a complete picture huh?? So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. As for your heavy drone comment, well shaft me with a large blunt object if that's not the stupidest analogy i've heard since comparing molle to an ancient chinese warlord with tactical ability. But then you do come from a 10 man corp, and have 220 kills to your name.... i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:50:00 - [495] Originally by: Lord WarATron So someone stating that siege mode vs non siege mode is just EFT rubbish? You know, if only I could give you an example of real world pvp where Sieged dreads fought unsieged dreads, then that would answer the question. Oh Wait...... I see you're still thick. I'll come down to your level and spell it out. Plain rubbish is opening EFT, selecting the "All Level V", loading a Revelation setup and stating than this is the standard profile for all the Bob dread pilots, while in the mean time loading an Enyo on an empty caracter and comparing it to them most common NC dread pilot profile. That's rubbish and you're full of it.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:58:00 - [496] Originally by: emf So you guys were making up your mind for hours? Sorry, gonna have to side with bob on that. It's just such a bad call it's not even funny. no... we were trying to log in for hours (you obviously didn't think about what you were typing before posting huh?). Now run along and polish molles mirophone for him will you? You've obviously got a bob fetish going on and nothing like a good lackey to make sure the knob on the end is nice and shiny.
Sarah Lothian	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:01:00 - [497] Edited by: Sarah Lothian on 01/10/2008 18:01:26 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: O Thief i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. http://www.killboard.net/details/279960/ I see your basing your responses on well researched evidence and detailed knowledge of the particulars.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:14:00 - [498] Originally by: Sarah Lothian Edited by: Sarah Lothian on 01/10/2008 18:01:26 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: O Thief i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. http://www.killboard.net/details/279960/ I see your basing your responses on well researched evidence and detailed knowledge of the particulars. detailed as in being there? and knowledge as in knowing killboards don't represent actual, true statement of events? Hell yea! That's one huge fight that we lost.... wanna get all historical on me and look at the 2/3 weeks previous and see who had the best 'stats; according to the so called accurate killboards?? Or maybe you're just content to use them to your advantage when it suits you? I base my statement on BEING THERE, not like half the cowards in COAD who throw pebbles from the sidelines, too afraid to put their rears on the line in a real fight (kudos to our opponents for that at least :p) ... it was an admitted turkey shoot and hey, whats done is done... i'm still not hearing the fat lady singin though.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:28:00 - [499] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Lord WarATron So someone stating that siege mode vs non siege mode is just EFT rubbish? You know, if only I could give you an example of real world pvp where Sieged dreads fought unsieged dreads, then that would answer the question. Oh Wait...... I see you're still thick. I'll come down to your level and spell it out. Plain rubbish is opening EFT, selecting the "All Level V", loading a Revelation setup and stating than this is the standard profile for all the Bob dread pilots, while in the mean time loading an Enyo on an empty caracter and comparing it to them most common NC dread pilot profile. That's rubbish and you're full of it. I think its funny that you call people thick, yet you compleatly miss the reality of siged dreads wtfpwning unsieged dreads. EFT will tell you this. Real world pvp will tell you this. Any capital pilot worth his salt will tell you this. So tell me, if stating the obvious make me thick, then what would that make you? Now, the NC people I have been speaking to, barely have Dread or capital weapon above lvl1 or 2. Looking at killmails, some are using t1 Battleship weapons on dreads! But its easier to blaim JuJu/Witchcraft/Black Magic/Hax/Cheats/Eft/Bribes and Exploits that it is to use Braincells. -- Billion Isk Mission
cheese monkey KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:30:00 - [500] oh molle. interesting how you are the only one that could see what was going on in that lag fest enough to report on it.... nah im not really a conspiricy theorist n all that balls. But i was there with a few accounts, at the pos and at the gate and tbh this really wasnt how it went down! sorry, nice imagination tho, you should be a writer!

Bargnar Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:33:00 - [501] Originally by: Heptameron check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. So err... BOB decided to rather use 30 players to kill your capitals within hours rather than using all the 180 players that actually were there, fully loaded, not stuck on "entering game"-screen ?
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:35:00 - [502] Originally by: Lord WarATron Now, the NC people I have been speaking to, barely have Dread or capital weapon above lvl1 or 2. Looking at killmails, some are using t1 Battleship weapons on dreads! According to my lossmail I didn't have any fitting at all! omgnoobwtfzor Also, t2 and faction kit makes you log in faster eh, thats the trick :P
Karunel Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:42:00 - [503] Quote: So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. Well good to see that someone has the guts to admit it, I expect all the conspiracy theories will end now (?). It's somewhat perplexing that an entity with such long history would take a decision like that though, I'm not saying this as a tinly veiled pun but for a FC to order it's dreads to not enter siege when you're seeing the other side hitting you hard (ie: in siege) the overall confidence in your side must be not-so-high. Don't mean to come acrosss as smacky specially with you as you seem a nice bloke but that's what it seems really... to me at least! Back to WAR. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:45:00 - [504] Originally by: Bargnar Originally by: Heptameron check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. So err... BOB decided to rather use 30 players to kill your capitals within hours rather than using all the 180 players that actually were there, fully loaded, not stuck on "entering game"-screen ? hang on... read...nope....reading a little more still nope... can't see in any of my posts where i made the statement they were logged in, fully loaded and not stuck. Both Fc's would have had to make a call based on how many they knew were active on their own side and what they can see is in local for the opposition. BoB however do have spies on our TS and afaik we didn't on ze bob side. So whereas we knew what we had, the GBC knew what they had and, based on our TS chat, what we had (confused yet?) and made a call (lolling at that, some might say that call was to CCP and not a judgement one as intended :p). So going back a post or 2, we had to assume they had more than the few they used to take out our caps based on local count alone... get the picture?
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:58:00 - [505] NfC tear's are great to see.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:27:00 - [506] Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 01/10/2008 19:28:11 It appears over the last three days that NC has lost a total of 821 total ships to Bob's 84 ships. Even if you doubled Bob's numbers you would still come up with a very lopsided conflict. What is in that system? A Dyprosium moon?
Barbaro55a Caldari Hangover Heros.	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:37:00 - [507] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise What is in that system? A Dyprosium moon? Molle's Ice mining alt.
Sasha Lyre Gallente Blood Music	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:50:00 - [508] Congratz again to bob and their superior tactics. Tactics win every time, especially ones that are sponsored by CCP and their employees. Every single time, every one of them: That there has been a node crash, bob has always been able to log in huge volumes of their players before the enemy, any enemy and every enemy. The reason ? Because they have a character screen open and ready, thats the bs reason. The real reason ? Tactics... Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins
WETRAIN Minmatar R.U.S.T. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:08:00 - [509] i am really sure someone at CCP is controling the login`s of ALL gbc pilots in M-0 and HELPING THEM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME! to KILL some stupid ships! OFC! I BELIEVE THAT! I REALLY DO. wtf.. your **ing stupid blob didnt **ing work against TRI when we was in TVN- why do you think it would work againts BoB? just do as fred0 said, surrender, wait it out in empire, attack the new inhabitants after bob leaver, problem solved. Simple as that. CAOD IS EPIC FAIL! RUST IS RECRUITING!
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:12:00 - [510] Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/10/2008 20:15:20 Originally by: Sasha Lyre Congratz again to bob and their superior tactics. Tactics win every time, especially ones that are sponsored by CCP and their employees. Every single time, every one of them: That there has been a node crash, bob has always been able to log in huge volumes of their players before the enemy, any enemy and every enemy. The reason ? Because they have a character screen open and ready, thats the bs reason. The real reason ? Tactics... Some people are so brain washed it really is pointless, but at least it shows that propaganda does work on the weak minded.



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