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SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:40:00 - [1] The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 Keyword; Strategy. We play chess in game, we plan for our opponents move, we try to pre-plan on what to do when it happens, and with different scenarios. Theres nothing we haven't seen, we seen it all, in various places, all over New Eden. Monday night was no different then other nights. We weren't actually expecting a fight.... as the night grew older, we saw that we might get one, the enemy is amassing in 15w, local goes up to 550 in 15w before the showdown while we are preparing to kill and siege a hostile tower. We get reports of 100+ hostile capitals, and people start waking up from their slumbers.... we count a total of about 7-800 hostiles... this is going to be a slugfest. We have 300-350 active pilots. The hostile tower is killed. Apart from the regulars in NC, we are seing new faces, TCF, KIA, Daisho and Rebellion has turned up, in huge numbers. Hostiles are streaming into 15w... We watch them set up, and get ready. A few key elements lets us decide what to do. They are splitting fleets, one to travel, one to jumpbridge. This is where NC et al lost the battle. Before even jumping one ship, they have already lost. The pre-planning and the strategy they have chosen will not work, regardless of numbers. The gameplan for NC is simple, jump in a boatload of people into M-O using regular gate, as a distraction to bridging people and capitals in. KIA/Daisho/TCF/Rebellion are chosen for this. On the incoming gate, all our supports are parked, and, a large t2 bubble. We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks. It begins. 200+ pilots jumps into M-O using the regular gate, they are slaughtered by the support fleet as they load inside the bubble. As their battleships jumps in, two titans prepares... and a hostile cyno goes off at the gate, 300km below it. Our titans are setup for 200 above it. Our supports warps to cyno, and titan decloaks and fires while second titan warps in to fire the second doomsday. Jackpot. Our support lives, while all hostile fleet, are promptly wasted. Our supports starts killing cynoes below the gate as the NC capitals jumps in at the gate. Second cyno goes up at a NC pos, and carriers are deployed to that cyno along with our battleships. NC are bridging a new boatload of fleet in, this time the NC regulars. Fights all over the system, carriers are winning their fight at the NC pos, supports are holding down the enemy capitals, and our capitals are ordered to warp to the hostile capitals.... Our battleships are sent to sniper spot above gate, to deal with any incoming remaining fleet. "Capitals, your primary is....Beastie Boy" 5 minutes pass. The node collapses and dies. M-O have 1000+ in system, and we have been fighting a good 15-30 minutes when the node crashes.... No capitals were killed before the node crash, but, NC lost the fleet that gated in, they lost the main bulk of the fleet that bridged in, and whatever is left... is 100+ capitals. The waiting game starts.. the node dies a couple of more times before it finally starts loading. It has taken the server about 2 hours to understand what it should do, and we send EVERYONE onto the gate, we will NOT stand down from this. Whoever runs first, dies horribly. After the first breathtaking 15 minutes before we get people properly loaded... its anyones guess who is going to die badly today. Its a turkeyshoot. 50+ capitals dies a agonizing death while they are trying to run away. You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time.
Serrano Balthar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Serrano Balthar on 30/09/2008 10:42:05 and somes must work at this hours ! eachtime i'm not here ... something happen -----------
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Szass Tam on 30/09/2008 10:44:33 WooT us ! Congrats to the strategy experts. "We're in your systems, before you do !" BOB 4TW.
Hastrabull Caldari Beach Boys BeachBoys	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Hastrabull on 30/09/2008 10:44:10 first? ==edit== damn ;( reserved for later use... and... grats BOB and allies! Its good to be GBC :)
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:45:00 - [5] It'd be interesting to hear a similar timeline of events from the NC commander in charge to count for the interesting strategy employed and placement of capital cynos.
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:45:00 - [6] Fantasy writing at its best.
JuGGeR Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:45:00 - [7] gf =) Phantomsquad
SFShootme Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [8] Edited by: SFShootme on 30/09/2008 10:53:55 them tears are delicious I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 (after the nodecrash capital whise). And yeah, you did.... Only you managed to **** it up so badly u did not even win with those odds [VIDEO] Paroxysm
Garpur59 Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [9] Oh yeah.
Lord Abbadon Gallente Frost Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [10] must be pure skill killing people that can login EVE domination. The same old dream. Our asylums are full of people who think they're Napoleon. Or God.

Jinshu German Kings Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [11] To be honest, the NC didn't loose a fight to your superior tactics, they didn't even lost the fight to you. They simply lost the fight to the Game that is. If only half the people that were staring at blackscreens while their ships were allready on grid and dying would have been able to do something - it would have been a different story. As you said yourself you were outnumbered horrifically and doomsdaying a supportfleet at the gate would have still not won you the fight nor is that a superior tactic to begin with. So keep braging as long as you want - it will not make it true. ------------------------------------ The Game cannot be won, only played. ------------------------------------
Galgarak Gallente Bad Bear Inc	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Jinshu To be honest, the NC didn't loose a fight to your superior tactics, they didn't even lost the fight to you. They simply lost the fight to the Game that is. If only half the people that were staring at blackscreens while their ships were allready on grid and dying would have been able to do something - it would have been a different story. As you said yourself you were outnumbered horrifically and doomsdaying a supportfleet at the gate would have still not won you the fight nor is that a superior tactic to begin with. So keep braging as long as you want - it will not make it true. But dont you see, it was the GBC superior tactic of knowing how the servers react to being overloaded and it was the poor tactics of the NC that allowed that many people into that system in the beginning, We all know ramming too many people into one system causes node crashes, desyncs etc, so whoever was the nc FC, failed at understanding that part of the tactic.
Crashm8 H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:53:00 - [13] Nice report
William DeMeo Gallente Genos Occidere deadspace society	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:56:00 - [14] cool
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:56:00 - [15] Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:56:00 - [16] It's a bad day when swarming like lemmings into a system doesn't work
Demon Barber	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:57:00 - [17] From the deepest part of my hart -- THANK YOU Sir Molle for the pain you have inflicted to this Fail Alliance .. i drink to even more to come. By the way did this Noob Zeveron fired his DD at last? if NOT just let him do it next time. ?
YapYup Gallente Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:57:00 - [18] in a molle thread first page, i know im sad but hey now i'll read;
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:58:00 - [19] Originally by: KIAEddZ Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs. You expected anything else?
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [20] \o/ first page in a molle thread.

Fish Brain D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [21] I seem to remember NC bringing 800 people to combat 300 in Branch not too long ago and losing their whole fleet over the course of 20ish hours. Bottom line is you haven't learned anything about how to take advantage of your numbers in very laggy situations even after all your campaigns down South and up North in the past year. In the meantime, keep complaining about how broken the game is for not sustaining a fight with 1100+ players in local and shout out devh4x whenever you lose. Nice report Molle, and well done BoB.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [22] Originally by: SirMolle You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time. Nice propaganda, but in the end it was a lotery ticket when the node crashed, which you won, this time. As other said, lags happens to everyone, but this time you got the best of it. Luck isn't a strategy, although is nice to have it.
Morganis Black Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [23] Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:01:00 - [24] Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 30/09/2008 10:59:22 them tears are delicious I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate (after the nodecrash capital whise). And yeah, you did.... Only you managed to **** it up so badly u did not even win with those odds Im seriously waiting for NC to say "we have even odds, lets engage". But they will prolly disband before it ever happens.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Your halves aren't equal.
Prof Patpending Bodgit and Scarper Industrial	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:02:00 - [26] Originally by: KIAEddZ Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:02:00 - [27] You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time. you are full off shit.
Toko Baru 28th Day Industries The Church.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:04:00 - [28] Well done SirMolle and also BoB/GBC pilots :) Who want join to NC? Epic Fail!
Mee SawHornee Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:05:00 - [29] molle stop to be RP cya in nol one more time m8 :)
Bagger Vance Pernicious Creed	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:05:00 - [30] LMAO strategy.... the rest of eve call it pure luck



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