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SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:40:00 - [1] The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 Keyword; Strategy. We play chess in game, we plan for our opponents move, we try to pre-plan on what to do when it happens, and with different scenarios. Theres nothing we haven't seen, we seen it all, in various places, all over New Eden. Monday night was no different then other nights. We weren't actually expecting a fight.... as the night grew older, we saw that we might get one, the enemy is amassing in 15w, local goes up to 550 in 15w before the showdown while we are preparing to kill and siege a hostile tower. We get reports of 100+ hostile capitals, and people start waking up from their slumbers.... we count a total of about 7-800 hostiles... this is going to be a slugfest. We have 300-350 active pilots. The hostile tower is killed. Apart from the regulars in NC, we are seing new faces, TCF, KIA, Daisho and Rebellion has turned up, in huge numbers. Hostiles are streaming into 15w... We watch them set up, and get ready. A few key elements lets us decide what to do. They are splitting fleets, one to travel, one to jumpbridge. This is where NC et al lost the battle. Before even jumping one ship, they have already lost. The pre-planning and the strategy they have chosen will not work, regardless of numbers. The gameplan for NC is simple, jump in a boatload of people into M-O using regular gate, as a distraction to bridging people and capitals in. KIA/Daisho/TCF/Rebellion are chosen for this. On the incoming gate, all our supports are parked, and, a large t2 bubble. We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks. It begins. 200+ pilots jumps into M-O using the regular gate, they are slaughtered by the support fleet as they load inside the bubble. As their battleships jumps in, two titans prepares... and a hostile cyno goes off at the gate, 300km below it. Our titans are setup for 200 above it. Our supports warps to cyno, and titan decloaks and fires while second titan warps in to fire the second doomsday. Jackpot. Our support lives, while all hostile fleet, are promptly wasted. Our supports starts killing cynoes below the gate as the NC capitals jumps in at the gate. Second cyno goes up at a NC pos, and carriers are deployed to that cyno along with our battleships. NC are bridging a new boatload of fleet in, this time the NC regulars. Fights all over the system, carriers are winning their fight at the NC pos, supports are holding down the enemy capitals, and our capitals are ordered to warp to the hostile capitals.... Our battleships are sent to sniper spot above gate, to deal with any incoming remaining fleet. "Capitals, your primary is....Beastie Boy" 5 minutes pass. The node collapses and dies. M-O have 1000+ in system, and we have been fighting a good 15-30 minutes when the node crashes.... No capitals were killed before the node crash, but, NC lost the fleet that gated in, they lost the main bulk of the fleet that bridged in, and whatever is left... is 100+ capitals. The waiting game starts.. the node dies a couple of more times before it finally starts loading. It has taken the server about 2 hours to understand what it should do, and we send EVERYONE onto the gate, we will NOT stand down from this. Whoever runs first, dies horribly. After the first breathtaking 15 minutes before we get people properly loaded... its anyones guess who is going to die badly today. Its a turkeyshoot. 50+ capitals dies a agonizing death while they are trying to run away. You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time.
Serrano Balthar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Serrano Balthar on 30/09/2008 10:42:05 and somes must work at this hours ! eachtime i'm not here ... something happen -----------
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Szass Tam on 30/09/2008 10:44:33 WooT us ! Congrats to the strategy experts. "We're in your systems, before you do !" BOB 4TW.
Hastrabull Caldari Beach Boys BeachBoys	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Hastrabull on 30/09/2008 10:44:10 first? ==edit== damn ;( reserved for later use... and... grats BOB and allies! Its good to be GBC :)
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:45:00 - [5] It'd be interesting to hear a similar timeline of events from the NC commander in charge to count for the interesting strategy employed and placement of capital cynos.
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:45:00 - [6] Fantasy writing at its best.
JuGGeR Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:45:00 - [7] gf =) Phantomsquad
SFShootme Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [8] Edited by: SFShootme on 30/09/2008 10:53:55 them tears are delicious I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 (after the nodecrash capital whise). And yeah, you did.... Only you managed to **** it up so badly u did not even win with those odds [VIDEO] Paroxysm
Garpur59 Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [9] Oh yeah.
Lord Abbadon Gallente Frost Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [10] must be pure skill killing people that can login EVE domination. The same old dream. Our asylums are full of people who think they're Napoleon. Or God.

Jinshu German Kings Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:50:00 - [11] To be honest, the NC didn't loose a fight to your superior tactics, they didn't even lost the fight to you. They simply lost the fight to the Game that is. If only half the people that were staring at blackscreens while their ships were allready on grid and dying would have been able to do something - it would have been a different story. As you said yourself you were outnumbered horrifically and doomsdaying a supportfleet at the gate would have still not won you the fight nor is that a superior tactic to begin with. So keep braging as long as you want - it will not make it true. ------------------------------------ The Game cannot be won, only played. ------------------------------------
Galgarak Gallente Bad Bear Inc	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Jinshu To be honest, the NC didn't loose a fight to your superior tactics, they didn't even lost the fight to you. They simply lost the fight to the Game that is. If only half the people that were staring at blackscreens while their ships were allready on grid and dying would have been able to do something - it would have been a different story. As you said yourself you were outnumbered horrifically and doomsdaying a supportfleet at the gate would have still not won you the fight nor is that a superior tactic to begin with. So keep braging as long as you want - it will not make it true. But dont you see, it was the GBC superior tactic of knowing how the servers react to being overloaded and it was the poor tactics of the NC that allowed that many people into that system in the beginning, We all know ramming too many people into one system causes node crashes, desyncs etc, so whoever was the nc FC, failed at understanding that part of the tactic.
Crashm8 H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:53:00 - [13] Nice report
William DeMeo Gallente Genos Occidere deadspace society	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:56:00 - [14] cool
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:56:00 - [15] Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs.
Algey The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:56:00 - [16] It's a bad day when swarming like lemmings into a system doesn't work
Demon Barber	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:57:00 - [17] From the deepest part of my hart -- THANK YOU Sir Molle for the pain you have inflicted to this Fail Alliance .. i drink to even more to come. By the way did this Noob Zeveron fired his DD at last? if NOT just let him do it next time. ?
YapYup Gallente Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:57:00 - [18] in a molle thread first page, i know im sad but hey now i'll read;
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:58:00 - [19] Originally by: KIAEddZ Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs. You expected anything else?
ArmyOfMe Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [20] \o/ first page in a molle thread.

Fish Brain D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [21] I seem to remember NC bringing 800 people to combat 300 in Branch not too long ago and losing their whole fleet over the course of 20ish hours. Bottom line is you haven't learned anything about how to take advantage of your numbers in very laggy situations even after all your campaigns down South and up North in the past year. In the meantime, keep complaining about how broken the game is for not sustaining a fight with 1100+ players in local and shout out devh4x whenever you lose. Nice report Molle, and well done BoB.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [22] Originally by: SirMolle You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time. Nice propaganda, but in the end it was a lotery ticket when the node crashed, which you won, this time. As other said, lags happens to everyone, but this time you got the best of it. Luck isn't a strategy, although is nice to have it.
Morganis Black Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:59:00 - [23] Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:01:00 - [24] Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 30/09/2008 10:59:22 them tears are delicious I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate (after the nodecrash capital whise). And yeah, you did.... Only you managed to **** it up so badly u did not even win with those odds Im seriously waiting for NC to say "we have even odds, lets engage". But they will prolly disband before it ever happens.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Your halves aren't equal.
Prof Patpending Bodgit and Scarper Industrial	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:02:00 - [26] Originally by: KIAEddZ Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:02:00 - [27] You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time. you are full off shit.
Toko Baru 28th Day Industries The Church.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:04:00 - [28] Well done SirMolle and also BoB/GBC pilots :) Who want join to NC? Epic Fail!
Mee SawHornee Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:05:00 - [29] molle stop to be RP cya in nol one more time m8 :)
Bagger Vance Pernicious Creed	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:05:00 - [30] LMAO strategy.... the rest of eve call it pure luck

darth raida Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:07:00 - [31] Same old NC. Seemed to remember they tried something similar to INSRG in Branch. Normally entities get better with time/combat, all that fighting still zero knowledge gained and they're making the same stupid mistakes.
Morganis Black Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Your halves aren't equal. That's for sure
Lord EmBra Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:07:00 - [33] Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 Keyword; Strategy. yea, strategy, ofc. the nodecrashes and being unable to log back in had nothing at all to do with it.
Imun Khun Khun Trading Ltd.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:07:00 - [34] Well spun... err.. played cough
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Before node crash: 650ish NC 350ish GBC (Figures rounded between differing reports of numbers) After Node Crash: 290 GBC 96 NC (Figures taken from the battle report from bobs killboard)
Mark Starkiller FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:08:00 - [36] Nice report, shame i couldnt log in at all....
SFShootme Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Before node crash: 650ish NC 350ish GBC (Figures rounded between differing reports of numbers) After Node Crash: 290 GBC 96 NC (Figures taken from the battle report from bobs killboard) U think thats strange when u only kill 2 ships that that is all NC that pops up on the killboard? Also the killboard kept tracking the fleetfight while all the caps where already dead and so people could login (at a later time) and get on a few straggler kills. U fail at tracking
Yarasha Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:11:00 - [38] Originally by: SirMolle We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks. Stoped reading here....5 Titans...thats the other expression for: i dont have a clue what to do, so i bring in enough Titans.
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:12:00 - [39] Originally by: SFShootme U fail at tracking I didnt do the tracking, your killboard did. Your killboard fails at being accurate
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Mee SawHornee molle stop to be RP cya in nol one more time m8 :) LAWL u migth wanna wait for the next generation train first!

Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Mee SawHornee cya in nol one more time m8 :) TCF needs to grow balls again first tho. Won't happen anytime soon.
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:16:00 - [42] Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 Nice tale. I'm glad I wasn't there :D
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: SFShootme U fail at tracking I didnt do the tracking, your killboard did. Your killboard fails at being accurate Learn how killboards work before you comment next time. Look at participation(ie how many killmails the pilot got on), you'll note that about 20 GBC pilots did the bulk of the fighting. They were the only ones that managed to log on early in the fight.
One Percent Caldari Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:16:00 - [44] That hurts... morale. Well done GBC.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:16:00 - [45] Plus one carrier
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: SFShootme U fail at tracking I didnt do the tracking, your killboard did. Your killboard fails at being accurate Learn how killboards work before you comment next time. Look at participation(ie how many killmails the pilot got on), you'll note that about 20 GBC pilots did the bulk of the fighting. They were the only ones that managed to log on early in the fight. Right after you learn how to read! Someone stated both sides managed to log in half their fleet. I posted stats that suggest otherwise. I never stated facts, I never did tracking... As I said, posted stats that suggest the post I replied to originally, was innacurate. But youre welcome to read things into it that werent said.
Lasakywa Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:20:00 - [47] Nice Bullshit..Oh wait, molle thread
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Yarasha Stoped reading here....5 Titans...thats the other expression for: i dont have a clue what to do, so i bring in enough Titans. You mean bringing and actually using our Titans to secure a hostile sovereignty 3 system is having no clue ?
Garpur59 Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Mee SawHornee cya in nol one more time m8 :) Wait.. TCF were in NOL? When?
Lee Wai Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:22:00 - [50] Its funny to hear whine about how it's all a lottery who wins when you jump in that many people, when it appears to be the preferred NC strategy...

Andreaz Kotz Morne Attitude	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:22:00 - [51] nc are scrubs better start begging bob for a spot to mine in when they take all your regions!
Tradena Theseus Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:26:00 - [52] Omg , Molle smoking some good grass .
Sidzo SRBI	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:27:00 - [53] CCPMolle,how big rtrd some1 need to be to bellive in this fantasy story? This is not finish with your battle report CCPMolle, too many ppl was in system and they know what happend there. SRBI Corp SiDzo
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Before node crash: 650ish NC 350ish GBC (Figures rounded between differing reports of numbers) After Node Crash: 290 GBC 96 NC (Figures taken from the battle report from bobs killboard) also rememebr nc lost what 100plus to DD before node crash!
Deianara	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:31:00 - [55] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: SFShootme U fail at tracking I didnt do the tracking, your killboard did. Your killboard fails at being accurate Learn how killboards work before you comment next time. Look at participation(ie how many killmails the pilot got on), you'll note that about 20 GBC pilots did the bulk of the fighting. They were the only ones that managed to log on early in the fight. So 20 GBC quality pilots managed to load and kill the whole northern cap fleet ... Awesome strategy ... very well planned, nicely executed, and thank the hamsters for keeping this game stable
Philip Jones Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:32:00 - [56] NC side from capitals perspective. Some support have left to go through gates. Other will be jumped in. 100+ Capitals wait for our cyno. Cyno beacon is up everyone jumps. Maybe 30 seconds to load grid. Game is running smoothly. GBC Capitals are split by a large bubble on gate. 5 appear at out position, 10 are at the gate 300km away. We start to primary a dreadnaught, lock up a secondary to kill while we wait for the main enemy capitals to all arrive. First dreadnaught primaried is in armour. Main enemy capitals appear. We enter siege, relock, Node crashes. Relog in - node crashes. The server has rolled back and given the advantage to those who were already in system, as it did on the two previous server node crashes with rollbacks. System seems to add a cap stopping anyone else getting in. You know the rest, GBC kill people not in game, CCP destroyed what would have been an epic capital slugfest. We prepare for another fight...
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:32:00 - [57] Wait, NC are complaining about not being able to login, because it's "CCP:s fault". You brought around 800 dudes against fewer opponents and with all that PvP-history you thought this wouldn't happen? Clearly more people in the NC got affected by the lag, you had more people in system - d'oh. Proportionally though it's most likely equal. Personally, I'm glad to see that instruments to combat "simply bringing more people" actually work. I bet BOB like the taste of sweet tears.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:33:00 - [58] congrats bob :)
BogWopit Amarr The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:34:00 - [59] lol
Velizaar	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:34:00 - [60] Either CCP is gonna fix this mess or this is the end of this game...

Jose Jimenez Caldari Nayashimi Natuki	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:35:00 - [61] Ahahaha fantazy online stuff OP. This thread is probably one of the biggest lies yet. Those that were not actually in M-O last night might actually believe you but I doubt that. Propaganda post FTL.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP is gonna fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Your stuff, contract them to me before ragequitting. Thank you.
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:36:00 - [63] Molle, you are a living god Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:36:00 - [64] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 30/09/2008 11:37:31 Originally by: Philip Jones CCP destroyed what would have been an epic capital slugfest. We prepare for another fight... I think you still dont understand this game. After x years of playing it you dont get that bringing 1000 people to system will NEVER be "epic slugfest"? It will be epic lag/node death and turkey shot. So stop whining and rethink way you play and maybe next time dont bring hundreds of useless ships but only necessary ones. Quote: Either CCP is gonna fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Bye, let door hit you on the way out.
Klezz FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Mee SawHornee molle stop to be RP cya in nol one more time m8 :) Lets see who visit who first ???
Philip Jones Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 30/09/2008 11:37:31 Originally by: Philip Jones CCP destroyed what would have been an epic capital slugfest. We prepare for another fight... I think you still dont understand this game. After x years of playing it you dont get that bringing 1000 people to system will NEVER be "epic slugfest"? It will be epic lag/node death and turkey shot. So stop whining and rethink way you play and maybe next time dont bring hundreds of useless ships but only necessary ones. Quote: Either CCP is gonna fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Wow - now we brought 1000... I am amazed at how many we had Bye, let door hit you on the way out.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:39:00 - [67] bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend?
CHIKA QRE MAX-Fail agency	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:39:00 - [68] Originally by: SirMolle I need to find an excuse to make this look like we planned it and we are uber, covering the fact that we were about to get owned if the node didn't crash since they outnubmered and outgunned us 2:1 and they held the gate regardless of the titan DD. Also J-GAMP was crawling with hostiles that were about to roll us over since we had no support on that side. But my CCP buddies did the work for us again, just like we got into M-O in the first place. I hope someone buys this crap I'm posting Fixed it for you. Enjoy. MAX - Immature cry for attention
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:40:00 - [69] it's nice to see some of you guys involved on the NC's side arent buying into the bob rhetoric anymore :) thats the first step.
Philip Jones Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:41:00 - [70] Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? I simply did a NC view of what happened - that hard to comprehend?

Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:41:00 - [71] That fleet of drakes certainly would have tipped the scale.
CHIKA QRE MAX-Fail agency	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:42:00 - [72] Originally by: darth raida Same old NC. Seemed to remember they tried something similar to INSRG in Branch. Normally entities get better with time/combat, all that fighting still zero knowledge gained and they're making the same stupid mistakes. Yeah NC is so fail that ins had to move out becouse it was not honorable to fight such a bad opponent and TRI disbanded in sheer protest of NC sucking hard. Am I right? MAX - Immature cry for attention
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:42:00 - [73] gj, old man, gj :] o/
LoveKebab coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:43:00 - [74] Originally by: Szass Tam ur sig says it all m8 :D epic ^^ anyway it's pretty obvious that NC wanted that node to crash ;o who comes with 600+ ppl to fight 250 (well apart of weekend coalition) and every1 know that system WILL crash when ur stupid caps gonna release ****ing fighters/drones ;o good reading Molle, nothing better than NC tears for good start of a day :)
WT Lapre Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:44:00 - [75] Originally by: CHIKA QRE Originally by: SirMolle I need to find an excuse to make this look like we planned it and we are uber, covering the fact that we were about to get owned if the node didn't crash since they outnubmered and outgunned us 2:1 and they held the gate regardless of the titan DD. Also J-GAMP was crawling with hostiles that were about to roll us over since we had no support on that side. But my CCP buddies did the work for us again, just like we got into M-O in the first place. I hope someone buys this crap I'm posting Fixed it for you. Enjoy. This made me laugh... I love it <3 -------------------------------------------------
Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Bagger Vance LMAO strategy.... the rest of eve call it pure luck and thats why u keep loosing.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:45:00 - [77] Originally by: KIAEddZ Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs. Sure, you masterminded use of RR blob in 1000+ local :D
Thranduil Saralonde The Arrow Project	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:46:00 - [78] Lads, what i seen and learnt last night was horrific, and now this game has a massive problem that needs fixing, Bassically if you hav 400+ in system you win, << including 5 titans, caps so on, how do you get a big enough force into a system to take them out? you cant? last night NC went in to eradicate BoB, and im sure BoB will admit there were horribly outnumberd and on the brink of being slaughterd when the node popped, i tried logging in for 3 hours that night including 500 - 600 people , the second i came in i seen 240 in local 220 of which were BoB, now if this is what you call a fair fight then i seriously think this game is one sided, Any ways sort something out CCP you need to fix this problem as the major alliances can just sit in systems with a hell opf alot of people and not be stopped....
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:47:00 - [79] ohgod, enough whinging, get off caod. spanks
LoveKebab coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:48:00 - [80] Welcome to BoB-Online !!! << Certified BoB Pet

Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:49:00 - [81] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP is gonna fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Your stuff, contract them to me before ragequitting. Thank you. I think his stuff is still floating somewhere in m-o. but your welcome to get it
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:49:00 - [82] Originally by: Thranduil Saralonde Lads, what i seen and learnt last night was horrific, and now this game has a massive problem that needs fixing, Bassically if you hav 400+ in system you win, << including 5 titans, caps so on, how do you get a big enough force into a system to take them out? you cant? last night NC went in to eradicate BoB, and im sure BoB will admit there were horribly outnumberd and on the brink of being slaughterd when the node popped, i tried logging in for 3 hours that night including 500 - 600 people , the second i came in i seen 240 in local 220 of which were BoB, now if this is what you call a fair fight then i seriously think this game is one sided, Any ways sort something out CCP you need to fix this problem as the major alliances can just sit in systems with a hell opf alot of people and not be stopped.... How did they manage to move such numbers there? Why didn't anyone stop them prior to this incident? Why jump 600+ into an already cramped system knowing that nodes have crashed in EVE prior to this incident with half the amount of involved people?
Cosmopat	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:51:00 - [83] This is same old story. devs and CCp make it so sweet for BoB, who than brag about their victory in sloughtering the loged of opposition, like their first Titan Kill and so on. Its Pathetic. Nothing never changes , always same old c..ap but different packaging. we all pretend like it does not matter and say GF, but relity is, this game has gone down the drain. I feel sorry for NC and other alliances who will now join once again the punsihment of CCP and their Devs.
Spathi Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:52:00 - [84] Edited by: Spathi on 30/09/2008 11:53:04 I do love a Molle post, it brings out all the tinfoil and emo tears from the enemy and their alts. Plus if people get rattled up enough they'll go for round 2 and try again :D Go on, give it a press!
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:53:00 - [85] Originally by: Cosmopat This is same old story. devs and CCp make it so sweet for BoB, who than brag about their victory in sloughtering the loged of opposition, like their first Titan Kill and so on. Its Pathetic. Nothing never changes , always same old c..ap but different packaging. we all pretend like it does not matter and say GF, but relity is, this game has gone down the drain. I feel sorry for NC and other alliances who will now join once again the punsihment of CCP and their Devs. I guess when the NC beat down BoB (several times) during the initial stages of MAX, CCP and the devs were sleeping? Geez, why not just look to the sky and say "GOD WHY HAST THOU ABANDONED ME?!".
CHIKA QRE MAX-Fail agency	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Sirr Hammer Originally by: Bagger Vance LMAO strategy.... the rest of eve call it pure luck and thats why u keep loosing. So you won a fight in a non station system thanks to CCP screwup and you claim victory? When is the next time you will go for a jammer and hope for a node crash (we all know this is how you got M-O in the first place, huuuuge help from CCP in taking node down 7 times). Bobits won 2 fights out of last 20 both involving huge lag and node crashes. You must be very proud of yourself. I wonder what is next? Invasion on strategicaly important system of E-O? Grow a pair and come for a station system again. MAX - Immature cry for attention
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:55:00 - [87] Congrats BoB... well done, abeit with some help from the God's, sheer luck or whatever... MM and the rest of NC remind me of my Mom's swimming pool after winter neglect... Full of weeds, silt, algae and a bunch of mutated tadpoles and frogs that are the bi product of constant incest because theres no where else to go in their small polluted pool... ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
D'ceet Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:02:00 - [88] i helped \0/ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~~~Applebabe
vahu shamy SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:02:00 - [89] There was no fight,no fleet,just black screen.26 ppl shoot my ship?? Its not the first time, Molle ,that happens.Don't lie to ppl... Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Fish Brain D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:03:00 - [90] Piper babe! Why don't you call me anymore?

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:04:00 - [91] I find it amazing that this kind of things still happens. You all knew this would happen before you jumped in. You knew it would be a toss up. Either you would be lucky enough to outload your opponent or you would die horribly. Why, despite knowing this, did you still go through with it and then come whining on the forums when it failed? Why? I just can't imagine hundreds of Eve players being that dumb.
Estri Hadrath	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:05:00 - [92] If i understand well : gbc think that killing people on relog because they've loaded with more people first a great battle with a lot of strategy from their part ?
Richard Angevian The Crusaders.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:05:00 - [93] A great way to win when outnumbered 2-1 is to display, once again, your uncanny ability to create and benefit from node crashes. I think people have lost count of how many times bob has come out of situations like this and I don't recall even ONCE where you didn't get the upper hand because of a node crash. Given that Devs were (and presumably still are) in bob and have cheated for you in the past what's to say that you weren't handed more knowledge of how the server works than is publicly documented?
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:06:00 - [94] Originally by: Fish Brain Piper babe! Why don't you call me anymore? Because you didn't pay me last time, remember -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending. Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Haakelen Gallente Genesis Rising Brotherhood of Nod.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:06:00 - [95] A fleet lagged out jumping into a system with hundreds of people in it, followed by a node crash? What an unprecedented turn of events. No one could've expected that, jumping in was surely a wise tactical move.
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:07:00 - [96] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Right after you learn how to read! Someone stated both sides managed to log in half their fleet. I posted stats that suggest otherwise. I never stated facts, I never did tracking... As I said, posted stats that suggest the post I replied to originally, was innacurate. But youre welcome to read things into it that werent said. learn to not be an idiot! if you bring 1000 people to a fleet fight, lose 50 but dont kill anything then the battle report will say you only brought 50. As tracking is taken from killmails. The GBC numbers are so high as after a few hours when people actually started to login from balck screen, the GBC already controlled the system and late loaders got on 1 or 2 straggler killmails, thus bolsting the GBC numbers. But trying to explain something so simple to someone so simple as you is probably a lost cause. Perhaps you should go back to wow a game you probably can actually understand Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:07:00 - [97] Originally by: Richard Angevian A great way to win when outnumbered 2-1 is to display, once again, your uncanny ability to create and benefit from node crashes. Yeah, that's right. It was the 400 GBC in M-0 that created the node crash, and not the 600+ NC who jumped in. Originally by: Richard Angevian I think people have lost count of how many times bob has come out of situations like this and I don't recall even ONCE where you didn't get the upper hand because of a node crash. 15W and jv1v ring a bell? Originally by: Richard Angevian Given that Devs were (and presumably still are) in bob and have cheated for you in the past what's to say that you weren't handed more knowledge of how the server works than is publicly documented? You're so patethic.
vahu shamy SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:12:00 - [98] OK we all knew that lag will hit us all,but please don't call this luck or something! Strategy? rofl Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Sirr Hammer Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:12:00 - [99] Originally by: CHIKA QRE Originally by: Sirr Hammer Originally by: Bagger Vance LMAO strategy.... the rest of eve call it pure luck and thats why u keep loosing. So you won a fight in a non station system thanks to CCP screwup and you claim victory? When is the next time you will go for a jammer and hope for a node crash (we all know this is how you got M-O in the first place, huuuuge help from CCP in taking node down 7 times). Bobits won 2 fights out of last 20 both involving huge lag and node crashes. You must be very proud of yourself. I wonder what is next? Invasion on strategicaly important system of E-O? Grow a pair and come for a station system again. we are attacking and taking systems from u and we!! ned to grow a pair and im sure u vil se us in a station system near u in the future .and no matter how u try to spin it .we are in ur space .
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:14:00 - [100] Originally by: CHIKA QRE Sir Molle suckup spotted. Nope, I just wish the NC would just be over it and die already.

El'Shaitan Blue Sky torpedoes	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:15:00 - [101] Not ur best Molle. I like the ones with more theatrical stuff in it. Some thing like: "We came, We counquered, They drip blod on our caps, We are pleased" etc. This is just a boring onesided battlereport.
enjoi Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:15:00 - [102] Edited by: enjoi on 30/09/2008 12:15:18 Poor, poor coalition. Try again another day, we win again. P.S. More tears plz I'm compiling an awesome notepad document. Real men structure tank.
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:17:00 - [103] Originally by: Richard Angevian A bunch of boo hoo CCP is in Bob's back pocket BS I was not in BoB, I wasn't in GBC, nor was I even playing when the thing with T2 BPO's happened, but you have to see it from an advancement standpoint. CCP has these BPO's that are going to enhance the game. Two things to do: 1) put a number of them on the market and have a bunch of little people try and push them to 10000 people (just using numbers for sake of argument don't know how many active people were around back then, as like I said I was not around) or give them to one of the largest alliances and have them literally create the market for them and make the fully available to every pilot in the game. True while BoB did end up with some T2 BPO's, they were made available nearly the day they were released because BoB had the man power and resources to push the market. Had it gone differently you would have *****ed about the astronomical prices when Joe Blow's 5 man corp was making them. Guess you people just need something to whine about....anything if truth were known.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:18:00 - [104] Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet?????
CHIKA QRE MAX-Fail agency	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:19:00 - [105] Edited by: CHIKA QRE on 30/09/2008 12:19:39 Originally by: Piper Halliwell Originally by: Richard Angevian A bunch of boo hoo CCP is in Bob's back pocket BS I was not in BoB, I wasn't in GBC, nor was I even playing when the thing with T2 BPO's happened, but you have to see it from an advancement standpoint. CCP has these BPO's that are going to enhance the game. Two things to do: 1) put a number of them on the market and have a bunch of little people try and push them to 10000 people (just using numbers for sake of argument don't know how many active people were around back then, as like I said I was not around) or give them to one of the largest alliances and have them literally create the market for them and make the fully available to every pilot in the game. True while BoB did end up with some T2 BPO's, they were made available nearly the day they were released because BoB had the man power and resources to push the market. Had it gone differently you would have *****ed about the astronomical prices when Joe Blow's 5 man corp was making them. Guess you people just need something to whine about....anything if truth were known. So you are saying that devs did a favour to community by providing multiple sabre bpos to BOB?!? MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Do you read what you write sometimes?!?
Anna Valerios Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:21:00 - [106] Christ Molle I have to work over time copying forum **** :(
CHIKA QRE MAX-Fail agency	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:22:00 - [107] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? Shhhh, it's called "strategy and skill". When all else fails just put 400 defenders in a system. I bet this strategy will be discussed on many military academies all over the world and Sir Molle will geta a medal of honor for his uberness.
DeathGrip Amarr Power Corrupts Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:24:00 - [108] Congratz BoB. Glad to be among your ranks soon as I am done with this "Last" deployment.
enjoi Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:26:00 - [109] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? I AM SHOUTING BECAUSE I'M ANGRY. GRR.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:26:00 - [110] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont you ?

enjoi Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:28:00 - [111] In all fairness, the node was doing amazingly well with 1,000 in local before the crash. You couldn't have asked for better performance, lag-wise, with that amount of people. It's one step closer to the dream, CCP, keep it up. Real men structure tank.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:29:00 - [112] Edited by: bitters much on 30/09/2008 12:29:37 Originally by: CHIKA QRE Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? Shhhh, it's called "strategy and skill". When all else fails just put 400 defenders in a system. I bet this strategy will be discussed on many military academies all over the world and Sir Molle will geta a medal of honor for his uberness. When I remember right it was the NC that discovered that superior tactic in Deklein............ and failed
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:30:00 - [113] Originally by: ElrondMD Fantasy writing at its best. That would be sad, but what is even more depressing from your point of view is that every word is true. It's all there in black and white on the killboards for you to enjoy. But no, a more likely story is that BoB devspoilt, right?
Lifigaana Becar ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:30:00 - [114] gf... we sucks.
CDLoon Minmatar Red Sky Morning Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:33:00 - [115] Suck it up NC, or die quietly. posting with a main that has nothing to do with BoB - I just like to see the NC die.
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:34:00 - [116] Edited by: Piper Halliwell on 30/09/2008 12:35:50 Originally by: CHIKA QRE Stuff While what you say may be true, I still win, because of the two of us I am the one that has balls to post with my main and not hide behind an alt in a 1 man corp. With that being said I am done replying to your wannabe smack. -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending. Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Adm Tecumseh Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:35:00 - [117] Can I advertize Tigertex's Aeon for sale here? I mean just in case some one is looking for a replacement.
RiddicK DrX	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:35:00 - [118] Originally by: Huan Hunglong Originally by: Morganis Given that it sounds like half of both sides were unable to login after the two crashes, it does indicate that quality over quantity won the fight. Before node crash: 650ish NC 350ish GBC (Figures rounded between differing reports of numbers) After Node Crash: 290 GBC 96 NC (Figures taken from the battle report from bobs killboard) After the first and second crash node : GBC was 3:1 It isn t fake, that s just what we seen So get the F*** out your stupid strategy Molle More than hundred TCF before crash node >>> after crash : 02
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:38:00 - [119] TL;DR Molle, your post is of bad quality. In the past they were short on to the point. Now lots of rabble talk and stupid stuff. They aren't even funny. They are just stupid. Where is your self-irony of old?
clagnuts Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:40:00 - [120] lets get this right , we camp set up bubbles , bob jumps in node crashes , bob loads first on the boot up we die , so we try the other way bob camps we jump in and node crashes , then bob loads first again , ****ing awsome ccp , all we ask is a fair playing field ,nothing more nothing less ,

Katharina DeMatier The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:41:00 - [121] Edited by: Katharina DeMatier on 30/09/2008 12:41:26 Just a nodecrash, nothing else, there was no strategy so dont tell the community fairytales. Nothing else then tryting to influence the eve community. Bob will never change.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:42:00 - [122] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? No, you WILLINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY chose to jump in 600 people into a system with already had 450 in it. BoB didn't force you to do that - it was your CHOICE. And when you make a choice like that (when has 1000 players in a system EVER BEEN PLAYABLE?!) you know what the consequences can be. You flip a coin on the side who loads first wins. You won last week in 15W. Yesterday you lost. What goes around comes around, you didn't HAVE to jump into the system, you could have accepted it was an unwise move at the time. Your FC's made a terrible call and now you're paying the price. Blaming BoB is ridiculous since the decisions you made were your own, not theirs. You played into what they wanted but you only have yourselves to blame for the joke that is the NC's defence of M-O.
Hegbard	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:43:00 - [123] Originally by: bitters much You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont they ? I see. The idea you're promoting is that every time bob brings 500 people to a system, the owner of that system is supposed to roll over and give up without firing a shot because getting ships into a system that is camped in such a way is hopeless anyway?
DirtySnipe Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:44:00 - [124] If nothing else it would seem that SirMollie wins the responses per minute award. For all the words he seems to create alot of hardons in coad... Nice write up...
Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:47:00 - [125] Originally by: Hegbard Originally by: bitters much You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont they ? I see. The idea you're promoting is that every time bob brings 500 people to a system, the owner of that system is supposed to roll over and give up without firing a shot because getting ships into a system that is camped in such a way is hopeless anyway? You have to note that GBC doesnt very often bring those numbers, I was in fleet during the inital fighting yesterday and no, GBC numbers in these "after reports" are bloated.
WhiteSnake Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:48:00 - [126] this is not just a massacre it is a 100% pure GENOCIDE (tbh you should rename the campaign fom MAX to genocide) I aint gonna say good job bob, or well executed, I just wished to be there (along with many other capsuleers) any footage available maybe?
matarkhan Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:48:00 - [127] Originally by: SirMolle We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks. HOORJ for modern Eve warfare.
Vecila Live and Learn Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:49:00 - [128] You know, after afew years of fighting in 0.0, namely against bob usually , there is a reason people with two brain cells don't jump into a bubble in a lagging system knowing there's titans ready to dd them, or knowing the campers hold the edge lag wise. Yet despite this from younger players, the old hands, the ones who fc'ed for years, still try and do it, again, and again and again, knowing what will happen. There's a reason we who are continually asked, refuse to fc them. After all, what's the point of busting you're ass to do it right if you know someone above you is just going to **** on it the next day.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:50:00 - [129] Originally by: Hegbard Originally by: bitters much You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont they ? I see. The idea you're promoting is that every time bob brings 500 people to a system, the owner of that system is supposed to roll over and give up without firing a shot because getting ships into a system that is camped in such a way is hopeless anyway? The problem here is that M-O is a NC system and they know since 2 days what would happen last night and they still waited till GBC was in place instead of being in 1st. After they failed to be being 1st in they decided to jump full knowing that the chance of a crash is 99% ergo no need to complain/whine about node crash and stuff.
Jallem Sims Minmatar Wyverns of Dionysus	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:50:00 - [130] Originally by: bitters much Edited by: bitters much on 30/09/2008 12:26:55 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont they ? post with your main and stop pushing the same line... they had 400 in local, with an impressive amount of caps. so, what your saying is the NC should let them keep the system, right? i mean.. that would be the point of the game, right? pile all your attacking forces into one system and wait for the defenders to come in.. cause i mean, they actually might want that system? brain, in gear please, m-o is entry system to nc space, do you some how think that NC will just say, ok.. they have the system full... you win guys... we don't want to die to your super caps. Maybe your alliance would do that, but from what i see, the NC is fighting over space that they want to keep. so many molle wannabe's in this op, and the usual tri trolls, with the same lines that mean nothing? tri Guys, i wish you'd be inventive like your past leaders were, but now all i see are a group of faceless wannabe cool internet space ship dudes jumping on the old 'we look cool cause we have one liners' bandwaggon.... same usual lines, its like people can't actually think of anything new! rotate anyone?

Seth Quantix	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:51:00 - [131] Good read molle, good to see a touch of class and truth on the forums for a change.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:52:00 - [132] Every SINGLE pilot (NC/GBC/others) who jumped into that system KNEW the risks. We ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, knew that we might be desync'ed, killed before loading, lagged out, black-screen'd, have non-responsive modules, node-crash etc. etc. etc. The act of jumping in means that you ACCEPT this risk. It means that you accept that the game has these flaws, but choose to play it anyway with those flaws and risks! After you have made that decision, the burden of the consequences are on YOUR shoulders! Complaining about falling victim to a risk one WILLINGLY undertook with full knowledge of it is quite frankly PATHETIC! Add the fact that people are whining so much about VIRTUAL INTERNET SPACESHIPS just makes it even more pathetic! More or less exactly the same situation happened to GBC last weekend. We didn't whine/*****/complain/emoragequit over it. We accepted the consequences of our own actions and the losses without complaint. We didn't besiege the forums, we didn't (afaik) besiege the petition system. Really, NC and their buddies are just trying in any way they can to escape taking responsibility for their own actions and the consequences of those actions. This is IMHO the cowards way out! YOU knew the risk! YOU took the risk! YOU pay the price! (...and grow up. It's only a game...)
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:54:00 - [133] Originally by: KIAEddZ Nice report, but basically a load of pompus bs. Cry for me or dance for me, either way you're a joke. Go write a "contract" report or something... fool
RiddicK DrX	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:55:00 - [134] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? No, you WILLINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY chose to jump in 600 people into a system with already had 450 in it. BoB didn't force you to do that - it was your CHOICE. And when you make a choice like that (when has 1000 players in a system EVER BEEN PLAYABLE?!) quote] LOL What you said is ; Give me your ass and F***k me hard M-O with his +1000 was incredibly playable until the crash, the thing most important to say is : who is able to log in and who isnt, btw It s all the time the same who log first <
Jose Jimenez Caldari Nayashimi Natuki	Posted - 2008.09.30 12:55:00 - [135] The secret on how to post fail posts and gloat over something none else would be proud of because it has 0% to do with skill and ingame related stuff is to be you, silly old man OP. And blatantly lie in order to justify something that simply put is not true is another one of your traits. There are a number of things CCP can do regarding this particular case, and if they do it right none of them will go to your favour because you did nothing in game last night that would put you in a position to gloat except have people that logged in first and kill offline ships with black screen loading. That is not the way CCP intended EVE to be played and won or lost. If you gloat and make lie threads over something like that, than you are trully against EVE and the manner in which CCP, all GMs and the whole community intends EVE to develop. Facts are: one fleet is holding the system, the other one jumps in through gate and cyno. Fight comences, lag is managable, both fleets are in the same system fighting. The fleet that jumped now has a numerical and tactical advantage. More caps, more bs. This last for around 10 minutes. Node crashes. Fleet that was in the system before, even tough outnumbered and outgunned, and even tough the fleet that jumped in has gotten into the system mostly unharmed, manages to log in and kill some offline internet spaceships with pilots stuck on black screen. I am sure your tactical and strategical genius is going to be discussed for generations to come and it may even be studied on military academies around the universe.
Unfunny Alt Anonymous Forumposters	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:04:00 - [136] Originally by: Tzrailasa Every SINGLE pilot (NC/GBC/others) who jumped into that system KNEW the risks. We ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, knew that we might be desync'ed, killed before loading, lagged out, black-screen'd, have non-responsive modules, node-crash etc. etc. etc. The act of jumping in means that you ACCEPT this risk. It means that you accept that the game has these flaws, but choose to play it anyway with those flaws and risks! After you have made that decision, the burden of the consequences are on YOUR shoulders! Complaining about falling victim to a risk one WILLINGLY undertook with full knowledge of it is quite frankly PATHETIC! Add the fact that people are whining so much about VIRTUAL INTERNET SPACESHIPS just makes it even more pathetic! More or less exactly the same situation happened to GBC last weekend. We didn't whine/***/complain/emoragequit over it. We accepted the consequences of our own actions and the losses without complaint. We didn't besiege the forums, we didn't (afaik) besiege the petition system. Really, NC and their buddies are just trying in any way they can to escape taking responsibility for their own actions and the consequences of those actions. This is IMHO the cowards way out! YOU knew the risk! YOU took the risk! YOU pay the price! (...and grow up. It's only a game...) First sensible gbc post in this thread. Props for always getting up without (much, any?) whining. The whole drivel about strategy and knowing better than to jump is pretty much ****s. My own perspective? I'd loved to see both fleets reduced to wrecks. New feature, whenever a node dies, the sun erupts in a supernova killing all things that can be destroyed in the solar system ^^ Poster and Hauling Alt of Policy Handicapped Main*
Garek COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:09:00 - [137] GF molle, Fantastic strategy! You out-classed us! Thanks for the reading!
Ice Baby Caldari Ice Cream Express	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:09:00 - [138] Good fight!! I wouldn't mind if people got reimbursed though. ------------------------------ Adding bounty will not make it easier to kill me.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:11:00 - [139] The op in combination with this post is especially funny. I guess the op is quite happy that CCP didn't grant his emo-rage wish there. LOL
soder SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:15:00 - [140] Yes, whenever BOB start to lose, their opponents have lag but BOB don't. It's obvious that CCP helps BOB and their pet's over the line. Last night when my connection was lost, I wasn't be able to connect to server for over 4 hours, but BOB and their PETS was on line all the time!!!! Only I must say to CCP: SHAME ON YOU !!! CCP, you are frauds & thief's because of that kind of behavior. In our game there is many others who honestly pays their accounts and not just BOB !!!! I'm very disappointed to CCP. _____________________________________________ SRBI Corp Circle 0f Two (C02) Alliance

Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:24:00 - [141] Originally by: soder Yes, whenever BOB start to lose, their opponents have lag but BOB don't. It's obvious that CCP helps BOB and their pet's over the line. Last night when my connection was lost, I wasn't be able to connect to server for over 4 hours, but BOB and their PETS was on line all the time!!!! Only I must say to CCP: SHAME ON YOU !!! CCP, you are frauds & thief's because of that kind of behavior. In our game there is many others who honestly pays their accounts and not just BOB !!!! I'm very disappointed to CCP. Can i have your stuff? Also M-O week ago. VFK start of MAX. 15W 10 days ago. Did you seen us whining about node deaths and logging in favoring you? Nope you didn't. We lost and we came back. Now its same for you. But i am afraid NC don't have tools to come back anymore. Also amount of IDIOTS in this thread is amazing. That being almost everyone from MM/RZR/KIA/TCF... Cry me a river. Btw to CCP i want 4+ hours of my life back i spent on black screen last night. Actually nvm i donut. It was a well worth just listening on ts and reading tear drops in rivers on COAD. __________________________________
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:24:00 - [142] Originally by: soder Yes, whenever BOB start to lose, their opponents have lag but BOB don't. It's obvious that CCP helps BOB and their pet's over the line. Last night when my connection was lost, I wasn't be able to connect to server for over 4 hours, but BOB and their PETS was on line all the time!!!! Only I must say to CCP: SHAME ON YOU !!! CCP, you are frauds & thief's because of that kind of behavior. In our game there is many others who honestly pays their accounts and not just BOB !!!! I'm very disappointed to CCP. LIES! i think my COAD trollage of last night proves this!
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:26:00 - [143] I am not a fanboy of either Bob or the NC or the drivling goons, but it seems to me that the endgame of EVE is thoroughly BROKEN. Metagaming is lame and having to cypher in lag is just ridiculous and CCP does not need to reimburse ships. They need to refund the ****ing money we pay them untill they fix this issue.
Hastrabull Caldari Beach Boys BeachBoys	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:32:00 - [144] Originally by: soder Yes, whenever BOB start to lose, their opponents have lag but BOB don't. It's obvious that CCP helps BOB and their pet's over the line. Last night when my connection was lost, I wasn't be able to connect to server for over 4 hours, but BOB and their PETS was on line all the time!!!! Only I must say to CCP: SHAME ON YOU !!! CCP, you are frauds & thief's because of that kind of behavior. In our game there is many others who honestly pays their accounts and not just BOB !!!! I'm very disappointed to CCP. I'm very dissapointed to CCP! Its all your fault. I recently started playing WAR because of you you god damn frauds and thieves! We all know that's its all your fault and only your fault! I dont understand how come lawyers from half the globe didnt knock to your doors already?!? We all know that you gave BOBits special admin accounts that can bypass lag and create login tunnel that BOBits can use to log their people in before anyone else. You must admit it! I know it because i have such a account, admin account with special accounts! People of eve! Listen, the time has come for all of you to know! There are special cheats inside EVE client (but only in admin account)! When you type in chat: - /lagaroundcheat, then you are put in the begining of the server que. When you put: - /Lagoutmyenemy all entities in system that are not blue to you, will stop receiving packets When you put: - /Killtehamsters Node will die When you put: - /Closethedoors Noone not blue to BOB cannot jump in to system I know, that from now on all gm's that are in coalition with BOB will ban me repeatedly. I know that all GBC members will kill me repeatedly not letting me update my clone so ill just go back to stone age with my char. I know that, game will die now, when this whole corruption affair is put in light. But... Now i'm free! I'm free and i'm happy! I did it! I feel reliefed! Heaven is awaiting! My dear! I'm sooo light... I fly away... Wait a minute...
hisgoatness Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:34:00 - [145] you guys mind if I swim in this river of tears? I promise I won't pee in it and dilute the sweet taste of nectar.
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:34:00 - [146] Whoa. Deja Vu. Someone should go dig up some old threads from the ASCN war. Same pattern, same smack, same result. Everyone jumps in, server lags out, node crashes, BoB gets back first, BoB wins. Everyone cries haxploit, nobody cares. You just need to face up to something folks. They're better at it than you are. They care about winning at this game more than you do. There isn't any length to which they won't go to win. I'm not suggesting that they're hacking. I am suggesting that they do surf lag and node crashes better than anyone in the game. They've figured out how. Probably spent a lot of time doing it. Again, they just care more than you do. So, different war, different year, pretty much the same Molle post. I'm sure he lives to make them, and has probably sacrificed a lot so that he can. The only sad part about all of this is that a superior ability to surf the lag and crashes still holds this much advantage after this much time. It really is time for the mechanics to change. Radically. BoB's knowledge of how to win like this is hard gained, and well deserved, I'm sure, but at the end of the day, winning and losing should come down to playing the game, not being able to play the servers.
DTee coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:41:00 - [147] Edited by: DTee on 30/09/2008 13:42:57 Originally by: Philip Jones NC side from capitals perspective. Some support have left to go through gates. Other will be jumped in. 100+ Capitals wait for our cyno. Cyno beacon is up everyone jumps. Maybe 30 seconds to load grid. Game is running smoothly. GBC Capitals are split by a large bubble on gate. 5 appear at out position, 10 are at the gate 300km away. We start to primary a dreadnaught, lock up a secondary to kill while we wait for the main enemy capitals to all arrive. First dreadnaught primaried is in armour. Main enemy capitals appear. We enter siege, relock, Node crashes. Relog in - node crashes. The server has rolled back and given the advantage to those who were already in system, as it did on the two previous server node crashes with rollbacks. System seems to add a cap stopping anyone else getting in. You know the rest, GBC kill people not in game, CCP destroyed what would have been an epic capital slugfest. We prepare for another fight... I can't help but feel that maybe if you had brought only 100 dreads 100 nossing domis that were dd proof, you would have gotten more kills. Maybe bringing 600 people isn't the answer.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:46:00 - [148] Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:47:00 - [149] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Why dont you remind me how you werent even there?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:47:00 - [150] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Why dont you remind me how you werent even there? I wasn't?

SuperSarge Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:47:00 - [151] some bob member: "I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate" anyone else think about 300?
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:48:00 - [152] Originally by: SuperSarge some bob member: "I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate" anyone else think about 300? Look up my answer on page 5 - yes there is "300" quote ;p
Loike coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:49:00 - [153] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB. ...and still fail. ...and still lose capital fleets to them.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:50:00 - [154] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: SuperSarge some bob member: "I remember the nc FC saying "Guys we outnumber them 3:1 on the gate" anyone else think about 300? Look up my answer on page 5 - yes there is "300" quote ;p Halo 3 sprang to mind for me actually.. Awesome EVE history
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:50:00 - [155] Originally by: Loike Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB. ...and still fail. ...and still lose capital fleets to them. Dont bother - even tho hes TCF hes still bitter rzr newb. Even some razor are sick of him poasting (read on kugutsu - fun stuff).
Misha specijalac	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:53:00 - [156] Hastrabull, this game is becoming a S..t. Lets talk about WAR. What is it?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:53:00 - [157] Originally by: Loike Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB. ...and still fail. ...and still lose capital fleets to them. Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago.
Phaedruss Rat Katchers inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:58:00 - [158] Wow...just Wow. Assuming NC had intel on how many BoB and friends were in M-O when they made the decision to jump their fleet in, there couldn't possibly have been any doubt whatsoever about what the result was going to be of having so many in system, could there? I mean surely there is enough experience in large fleet battles there to know beyond a shadow of a doubt what was going to happen. Sure, Eve just doesn't deliver when it comes to large fleet stuff, but at the very least, BoB and friends got it right by being in the system initially, and forced the decision to crash the node to save the towers on the NC leadership. I guess there were three choices from there: let the towers die, jump a decent sized fleet in with intent to do battle, or jump a blob in knowing the consequences and complain about it on the forums. We know which one was chosen.
Lee ChanKa Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:08:00 - [159] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 30/09/2008 14:08:40 good post Mole im just wondering if GBC hawe like 300 ppl in local or 500 same thing why the **** you jumped more 500 in local(NC)? what you was think server will hold 1000 ppl in m-o or over 1000..if YOUR FC know ther is 500 hostiles in local and he jumping 500 wtf you expect..and after you jumped and lose fight what wining thet BOB cheeting thet is bulshit ...im neutral to bouth side so jumpin in m-o was completly stupid decision who ever FC with NC force..or be before in M-O and wait GBC or dont jump and wine on EVE how they didnt provide fight with no lag for 1200 ppl in local with drones fighters out all towers and rest objects in space...you can split NC force and do something useful then to bring 2x more ppl then gbc and to chrash node... about how BOB log in before you..i will tell you they hawe more expirience in this fights then you..if you take BoB force(not GBC) which is on 95% killmails and NC force combination of 30% expirienced pvp players(some MM and rzr) and 70% farmers(all rest NC) no nead calculation of final result... 2 cent lee aka ewqi
Broutte Minou	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:20:00 - [160] Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42 On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ?

O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:23:00 - [161] Originally by: bulabuba Edited by: bulabuba on 30/09/2008 13:38:36 Whoa. Deja Vu. Someone should go dig up some old threads from the ASCN war. Same pattern, same smack, same result. Everyone jumps in, server lags out, node crashes, BoB gets back first, BoB wins. Everyone cries haxploit, nobody cares. If this war goes like that one. One or two more of these and the NC will get the message that they're just throwing good isk after bad, and quit. You just need to face up to something folks. They're better at it than you are. They care about winning at this game more than you do. There isn't any length to which they won't go to win. I'm not suggesting that they're hacking. I am suggesting that they do surf lag and node crashes better than anyone in the game. They've figured out how. Probably spent a lot of time doing it. Again, they just care more than you do. So, different war, different year, pretty much the same Molle post. I'm sure he lives to make them, and has probably sacrificed a lot so that he can. The only sad part about all of this is that a superior ability to surf the lag and crashes still holds this much advantage after this much time. It really is time for the mechanics to change. Radically. BoB's knowledge of how to win like this is hard gained, and well deserved, I'm sure, but at the end of the day, winning and losing should come down to playing the game, not being able to play the servers. Right, I coudlnt even log in my GBC alt into M-O but listening in to TS let me tell you why BoB won. It really isn't particularly radical or revolutionary. 1) Unified voice comms and command - everyone knew what to do, to log in and get to that gate. Everyone. No ifs, buts, or delays. 2) They seiged their dreads. NC didn't. 3) They focused on primaries, NC were spreading their fire, not under effective FC'ing, or both. NC were doomed to fail in the event of node crash. They were poorly organised, poorly led (in comparison to BoB), lacking in strategy PLUS they had the natural disadvantage of being late into the system and having to load grid etc. It was never going to end well for the NC, and the reasons for that are more to do with their failings than anything special that BoB do. BoB just play the game sensibly.
Alia Ursul Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:23:00 - [162] Mad props to GBC FC and crew. Was nice to hear such calm collected target calling and orders. Sad the node took so long to load I missed a great number of kills. But was still happy to supply the damage I could. To live is to game - in some way
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:24:00 - [163] Originally by: Broutte Minou Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42 On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ? I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:26:00 - [164] Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 30/09/2008 14:27:12 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Loike Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB. ...and still fail. ...and still lose capital fleets to them. Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago. There are 2 explanations for TRI doing that: -their inability to deal with difficulties -NC inability to deal with anything Reason is pretty obvious for anyone Also flying with NC must be boring as hell, waiting to get 3:1 odds & stuff :D
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:27:00 - [165] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Broutte Minou Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42 On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ? I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed. Someone give this man a cookie, he gets it. Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Loike coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:31:00 - [166] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Loike Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Deva Blackfire And yet we DID BRING IT. Here you had no jammer so you could jump in ONLY CAPS + BS. 150 caps (from i heard) + 150 BS. No need ot bring 500+. Haha, why don't you remind us how you asked Robert to hold your hand in WH. Haha, why don't you remind us how you got virtually every major alliance ingame to hold your hand to destroy BoB. ...and still fail. ...and still lose capital fleets to them. Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago. Lol. Considering I joined relatively soon after that, and hearing that the reason that Tri pulled out is because everyone else was completely incompetent, I don't think you really carry much weight in that argument. Also, Funny how we bail from anything difficult....considering we've spent the last few months fighting the entire NC in Vale / Venal. That was pretty difficult if you ask me...considering I was there for the majority of the fights.
Engad Tanon Caldari Enterprise Estonia FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:34:00 - [167] nice reading. Go MAX!
Misha specijalac	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:51:00 - [168] Next time... (if I ever play this anymore) I will fit 2x relog and 1x grid booster and aaaaaalllll will be just fine. And u guys rly dream on if u think that NC is some kind of a noob organisation with no exp at all. Living there for years farming etc... all untill CCP decided to move them out of there. lol on this.
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:54:00 - [169] Originally by: Shrike Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Broutte Minou Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42 On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ? I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed. Someone give this man a cookie, he gets it. that's right. just like war with ASCN. we had nods crashes all the time but when FC said "Log In, gents" you log back in. some sat on black screen, some never logged in but those who logged in were kicking the living sh1t out of the enemy on a grid. simple as that.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:55:00 - [170] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam - NC has dealt quite well with everything, except BoB. Had they not been attacked from 3 different directions, the matters would have be different. Does BoB even remember how it was when it happened to them, to be attacked in the South, Querios and Fountain? To have pets torn a part? - Be it, superior firepower, numbers, logistics, higher ground, BoB has always waited for the right time to have better odds. Implying the contrary is just pure propaganda and hypocrisy. Implying the others shouldn't wait for better odds is a blatant attempt to insult an opponent. Feel free to feel insulted by bob winning in m-o with 50% less people than NC+co.

Buddrow E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:55:00 - [171] Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:57:00 - [172] Originally by: Loike Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Remind us how TRI bails from anything difficult like coordinating and fighting BoB in Querios 2 or 2.5 years ago. Lol. Considering I joined relatively soon after that, and hearing that the reason that Tri pulled out is because everyone else was completely incompetent, I don't think you really carry much weight in that argument. They were incompetent as you are incompetent when you ask BoB for numbers when you can't eat the bite and coordinate on your own bigger plans. Originally by: Loike Also, Funny how we bail from anything difficult....considering we've spent the last few months fighting the entire NC in Vale / Venal. That was pretty difficult if you ask me...considering I was there for the majority of the fights. In the Vale you "fought" Hydra on your own and got helped by BoB when you couldn't take the heat, i.e. MM freely cynoing caps all over your newly conquered systems. You were too scared to pull out your own caps. Fighting a carebear alliance like Hydra is very far from fighting anything difficult. Like many other said, TRI would have a hard time when BoB leaves the area, provided they leave. So, saying TRI is not bailing on difficult stuff is just a thing that keeps your selfesteem pumping.
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:58:00 - [173] Originally by: Buddrow Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. wow, ello, boss. good to see you being still around o/
Toko Baru 28th Day Industries The Church.	Posted - 2008.09.30 14:58:00 - [174] NC = Nice Chicken! __
Lorgoth Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:01:00 - [175] Originally by: Toko Baru NC = Nice Chicken! omg :] good one
Kenion North Star Networks Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:01:00 - [176] Edited by: Kenion on 30/09/2008 15:03:53 Nice writeup. And btw I couldn't log in for 2 hours after the first node crash so after that I said screw this and went to sleep. I heard/read later that NC had begun to escape the field when they finally managed to log in again in M-O, leaving their mates behind and I don't think that the fc's of NC ordered half the people to log in and escape, and the other half to fight. And btw why didn't NC dreads enter siege from the moment they started to fire their guns, not for a whole hour and at the same time having dual dd tank fitted ships, no wonder you get out dps'd. The problem is simply poor leadership. I've witnessed this myself as a former NC member until I decided to join up with my fellow Swedish comrades (b4 we were EXE). And that was my main reason for leaving NC as well. Also BoB has been around forever now, and with that many very experienced and competent FC's have emerged. Also the general population of BoB is built up with dedicated,high sp, experienced people. So no wonder NC looses cause BoB quite simply beats them in all those aspects. This will probably be flamed to hell but thats just my 2 cents. Good fight and hope to see many more from the NC. ---------------------------------------------
Athena Rivera Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:03:00 - [177] That was another interesting fight as it happened last night with hostiles flooding in despite the fact that the nodes have crashed a few more times. gg to all who have fought over m-o and even once I would say that it was redux of F-T's cap fight in the south. While GBC has the upper hand, let's crash some more nodes while we're at it. PewPew!!
gigX SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:08:00 - [178] Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago.......
Rovin	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:09:00 - [179] Molle you should have that crappy sig banned. Doesn't follow forum policy's
Rehmes Minmatar RillaCorp Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:09:00 - [180] Originally by: Richard Angevian A great way to win when outnumbered 2-1 is to display, once again, your uncanny ability to create and benefit from node crashes. I think people have lost count of how many times bob has come out of situations like this and I don't recall even ONCE where you didn't get the upper hand because of a node crash. Given that Devs were (and presumably still are) in bob and have cheated for you in the past what's to say that you weren't handed more knowledge of how the server works than is publicly documented? Are you sure you cant recall even ONE time BoB and the GBC lost due to a node crash? Not even ONE? The most recent one was 15W if memory serves. Dig up just about even NC chest-beating post and you will see the times they won by flooding a system and gettign the upperhand loading back up. The difference is we dont cry for hours about NC haxors and bring out our tin foil (not that we could considering they are solely manufactured by RKK and sold to NC only). You threw a ridiculous amout of people into a system and hoped you'd win due to sheer numbers. Sometimes its worked sometimes it hasnt (happened to you before against INSURG). Perhaps your FCs should rethink the swarm mentality and learn from it.

Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:13:00 - [181] Originally by: Lifigaana Becar gf... we sucks. lol.
Toko Baru 28th Day Industries The Church.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:13:00 - [182] Originally by: gigX Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... Lol Just nice acting of you!
Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:14:00 - [183] Originally by: gigX Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... lol.
Garpur59 Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:15:00 - [184] Hehehe. So many good stuff in this thread. Lovin' it. Don't stop.
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:15:00 - [185] Edited by: Twoside on 30/09/2008 15:15:37 Hey weren't you that guy that posted RL information in here and didnt get banned about it? Or were you the one that was proven to condone having a cheating dev in your alliance? ps: plz don't call my boss to get me fired :( edit: spelling
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:15:00 - [186] Originally by: gigX Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... Cancel your account. Seriously. Cancel it now. As much for your sake as for the rest of us.
Dragonzchilde Minmatar BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:15:00 - [187] what i liked the most was the number of NC and friends in the surrounding systems ratting and mining and generaly not doing anything to help their alliance out. well at least we got a shitloads of kills too. keep it up NC, maybe ask Red alliance and Solar to join in aswell, have them pick the hot patatoes out and continue your carebear life in the meantime.
El Covah LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:18:00 - [188] Dear NC, Your blaming others for the fight you lost due to not beeing able to deal with the consequences of your own actions (jumping lots of people into a system where already lots of people are) shows everybody that you haven't learned how EVE works and what you need to win. Sure, numbers are a part of it, but just a plain uncoordinated big blob does not help you anything (/emote winks to BRUCE). I really hoped for a better third (or is it the forth) incarnation of "The North". History now repeats itself. Disclaimer: Those opinions are my own and not necessary that of my alliance.
LoveKebab coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:19:00 - [189] Originally by: gigX Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... seriously - it's either u made that post for lulz cuz u know it's total rubbish or u are completly ******ed and have no clue about how this game works ;o
Capitalist Labrat Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:24:00 - [190] I wonder if TRI can get any further up BoB's *** or if they have indeed reached the ass-kissing limit and any further burrowing would be physically impossible.

Molten Steel Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:25:00 - [191] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Broutte Minou Edited by: Broutte Minou on 30/09/2008 14:20:42 On the relog, 90% of m-o was filled up with BOBs... guess why ? I'll tell you why. They were on a single voice server, being clearly led and directed. A single voice server makes you log in faster after node death? Regardless - shame on you NC for falling for this obvious flame-bait. But everyone keeps posting... MOAR POPCORN!!!
Audi Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:26:00 - [192] Quote: gigX SRBI Circle-Of-Two Posted - 2008.09.30 15:08:00 - [191] - QuoteReport -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... lol GigX, if you actually believe this your an embarrassment to the Eve community. Next, Ill start hearing that Sir Molle owns Eve and the servers are located in his spare bedroom. Suck it up NC, you lost this battles in M-O last night. Respect to you for bringing it. Most others just hide.
Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:27:00 - [193] What's NC?
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:28:00 - [194] Originally by: gigX Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... Po mom strucnom zakljucku moram reci da si kretencina. Yes indeed. Indeed
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:34:00 - [195] Edited by: Deira Lenia on 30/09/2008 15:35:18 old ACSN sences tingling OH GOD BOB ARE ATTACKING A SYSTEM WITH 300 PEOPLE. QUICK EVERYONE IN FLEET. WE WILL LEAD MULTIPLE 150 MAN FLEETS TO THEIR DEATH! Is it me, or do the NC wine just as much over BOB winning because of Lag/Node crashes/Desyncs as ACSN did? Mabey even more? Wile I was in the north when CoW, FATAL and M.Pire were getting kicked out, NC blobbed them 3:1. Wile I was in the north when INSRG was getting their arse handed to them, NC blobbed them 3:1. Many Many Many nodecrashes, desyncs and lag battles were seen, but no devhax. Now you fight BOB, and its suddenly devhax? Seeing the NC are large alliances aswell, i wonder how many devs are in that coalition. Because tbh, knowing that ACSN had a odd 7-10 flying around, i seriously doubt that NC wouldnt have any. I wonder what would have happened if Butter Dog/INSRG had claimed devhax... I can see Molles Strategy clearly. Wait till the NC blob the system and crash the node, then patiently wait untill it comes back up and log in batches of people so you dont overload the login node. It was used VS ACSN, why not VS NC? Small Note/suggestion to the NC, Why is it that BOB only wants T2 fitted BS? Because its better to have 1 guy in a fully fitted ship loaded on grid then 2 t1 crapfits that are on a black screen. See ya's in MSHD-4, i've got stuffs there. -Edit: sniped page 8 i guess-
D4RT N3RDiUS	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:35:00 - [196] Edited by: D4RT N3RDiUS on 30/09/2008 15:35:38 Quote: Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... you forgot the pink hat mate..
doofydoo	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:37:00 - [197] Originally by: SirMolle Whoever logs in first, lives. fixed, epic post but filled with epic bob fail. everyone knows your struggling, but nice attempt to rally your troops.
Pattonator Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:37:00 - [198] When BoB and LV tried to defend JV1 vs. over 1500 RAGOON and had around 700 in a system with one gate everyone said this was the that RAGOON one despite the 1300 Large bubbles on the gate. It was said that to put 700 in one system was asking for the node to crash and lose the battle. Either way nobody every knows when the node will crash although I always do wonder how I can never log in while the FC's always get in.
akirahayase Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:39:00 - [199] Edited by: akirahayase on 30/09/2008 15:40:26 ...
Serret Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:40:00 - [200] Edited by: Serret on 30/09/2008 15:39:46 Originally by: doofydoo fixed, epic post but filled with epic bob fail. everyone knows your struggling, but nice attempt to rally your troops. Yes, epic fail to fit all the loot into cargo, struggling to slowboat it out...

padraig animal Minmatar Gemstone Industry's	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:40:00 - [201] Can't speak of current sh** but from being ex ASCN ,it is true same server should be even better now if we must believe ccp So perhaps strategy is indeed a factor or luck ,perhaps BoB has a kinda luck factor anyway both keep up the gf may the best win whoever that may be /me post whit my main
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:40:00 - [202] Originally by: Buddrow Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. lol! do you really believe this? It is truly astonishing how stupid some people are, they can't see past their own ineptitude and sharpen up their act, anyone who is better than them MUST be cheating - oh no, its not like being on a unified voice server and having FC's who are good makes any difference at all It really is hilarious, but also kinda sad...
SchirmerN Amarr x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:41:00 - [203] Makes more popcorn
DeathGrip Amarr Power Corrupts Corp	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:42:00 - [204] Curious. I can see how the first MS died, it was mixed in with everything else. But how and why would that second one die? Seems to me it logged in hours after the fight into a camp which tells me he did it with no scout? Wish I had that kind of isk to suicide MS's.
Koburon	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:42:00 - [205] BOD did again? n1!
Kryztal Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:43:00 - [206] why didnt anyone wake me up ! ... i blame Coranor
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:45:00 - [207] Originally by: Kryztal why didnt anyone wake me up ! ... i blame Coranor Awwww, you cheated on me again !
Munch InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:47:00 - [208] Dear SirMolle, you're full of shit. There was no strategy required in shooting 50 caps who were not able to load system or grid. Why don't you save your stupid speech for when you wear your pink hat at annual bob bbq.
Farham Titan Industries Technology Team Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:50:00 - [209] Edited by: Farham on 30/09/2008 15:51:06 The only strategy you are using is to dictate where the fight will be so that you can be there first and gaining what is now clearly a benefit for logging back in after crashes. Solid, but hardly genius. Shooting ships where the pilot is on the loading screen is no more than PVE against rats. Hell, even rats are able to shoot back. If the fight would not have been so one sided with so few loses for your side, people might have had reason to perhaps give you some credit. No one with a logical point of view would look at the results as anything but defined by non-game mechanics. I could not care less if the NC dies or if BOB gets all the glory they seek. I just find it all incredibly weak that either would happen by means of non-game play methods.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:51:00 - [210] Originally by: Kryztal why didnt anyone wake me up ! ... i blame Coranor Not like you could have logged in anyway. Then you'd be blaming me for telling you to log in. ps this thread needs more mynas

Lord Abbadon Gallente Frost Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:51:00 - [211] always nice when ya have someone that tells you when its oki to log in ey. sever intel ftw.
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:54:00 - [212] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Buddrow Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. lol! do you really believe this? It is truly astonishing how stupid some people are, they can't see past their own ineptitude and sharpen up their act, anyone who is better than them MUST be cheating - oh no, its not like being on a unified voice server and having FC's who are good makes any difference at all It really is hilarious, but also kinda sad... well you see, comments like yours make me smile too... (except the part where you insult peoples indeed)
Vozd III	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:55:00 - [213] Originally by: Hastrabull Originally by: soder Yes, whenever BOB start to lose, their opponents have lag but BOB don't. It's obvious that CCP helps BOB and their pet's over the line. Last night when my connection was lost, I wasn't be able to connect to server for over 4 hours, but BOB and their PETS was on line all the time!!!! Only I must say to CCP: SHAME ON YOU !!! CCP, you are frauds & thief's because of that kind of behavior. In our game there is many others who honestly pays their accounts and not just BOB !!!! I'm very disappointed to CCP. I'm very dissapointed to CCP! Its all your fault. I recently started playing WAR because of you you god damn frauds and thieves! We all know that's its all your fault and only your fault! I dont understand how come lawyers from half the globe didnt knock to your doors already?!? We all know that you gave BOBits special admin accounts that can bypass lag and create login tunnel that BOBits can use to log their people in before anyone else. You must admit it! I know it because i have such a account, admin account with special accounts! People of eve! Listen, the time has come for all of you to know! There are special cheats inside EVE client (but only in admin account)! When you type in chat: - /lagaroundcheat, then you are put in the begining of the server que. When you put: - /Lagoutmyenemy all entities in system that are not blue to you, will stop receiving packets When you put: - /Killtehamsters Node will die When you put: - /Closethedoors Noone not blue to BOB cannot jump in to system I know, that from now on all gm's that are in coalition with BOB will ban me repeatedly. I know that all GBC members will kill me repeatedly not letting me update my clone so ill just go back to stone age with my char. I know that, game will die now, when this whole corruption affair is put in light. But... Now i'm free! I'm free and i'm happy! I did it! I feel reliefed! Heaven is awaiting! My dear! I'm sooo light... I fly away... Wait a minute... HOW TO HELP BOB to win Tips by CCP good fight CCP
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:57:00 - [214] ohhhh so its you guys i have to thank for all the lag down in the south.... BoB & NC ****in it up for the rest of us
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:57:00 - [215] The GBC win because when the node crashes and they get lucky and log in first they make the most of it and hit the NC hard, when they dont log in first they are organized and clever enough to limit there losses. The NC only know how to blob, and as for all the smack towards TRI, MM, PURE and hydra all tried to take tvn back from us and got spanked, BOB helped once or twice but the majority of the time we held our own against mulitple alliances. The only alliance that even gave us a fight was pure and the NC just let them die. The simple fact is, you can smack TRI all you want but not a single one of the NC could remove us without help and if you dont agree prove me wrong.
Shayleigh Snowflower GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:13:00 - [216] Originally by: touchvill Tri was (and still is) a very competant alliance that relies on strategy and individual pilot skill to manouver their way through battles. NC is anything but that, especially since making an appearance with Goons it seemed to be a reassurance that packing the system with crap is the way to achieve things. So. How many goons where killed in this battle?
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:13:00 - [217] What an amazing thread. SirMolle, once again proving to be the master of diplomacy. Back on Retainer. I am cheap but not easy.
Lee ChanKa Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:16:00 - [218] Originally by: gigX Tactic of SirMolle BOB with pets: "They outnumber us, what to do." SirMolle: I have "strategy" for this...... (NC is jumping in M-O) [SirMolle is calling CCP: "Crash node they got one of my titan"] - Node is down, NC and BOB disconnected - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK open node only for BOB"] (BOB is logging in M-O) - CCP logging only 100 people of NC fleet - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "Oh nooo they kill some of my fleet, please rollback"] - CCP doing rollback - [SirMolle speaking with CCP: "OK guys you can log them 20 by 20"] (BOB is killing NC fleet) The fight is over, NC is still trying to log on server but they don`t know that they lost more than 50% of their fleet. As you can see SirMolle playing good chess. You can ask him how much he paid for this night. This is not the first time that CCP is helping BOB, remember those blueprints few years ago....... im ordering RED LINE PHOONE for direct line with CCP from mine house plEAse 2nd till thet phoone dont come Molle please i need estamel in belts and please drop me inv field..tywm and 3dh i think Molle is aka GM GANDALF
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:17:00 - [219] Originally by: Munch Dear SirMolle, you're full of shit. There was no strategy required in shooting 50 caps who were not able to load system or grid. Why don't you save your stupid speech for when you wear your pink hat at annual bob bbq. Your internet spaceships, i can has ?
touchvill Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:18:00 - [220] Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Originally by: touchvill Tri was (and still is) a very competant alliance that relies on strategy and individual pilot skill to manouver their way through battles. NC is anything but that, especially since making an appearance with Goons it seemed to be a reassurance that packing the system with crap is the way to achieve things. So. How many goons where killed in this battle? Who was talking about this battle? I know you are trying to forget the embarrassment that was NOL but it really did happen you know. ----------

DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:35:00 - [221] This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. Because, even though he's massacred more capital fleets than your alliance has ever fielded, it must be roleplay. This game makes a little more sense again. A tip o' the hat GBC, a wave o' the finger NC
doofydoo	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:37:00 - [222] Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. Because, even though he's massacred more capital fleets than your alliance has ever fielded, it must be roleplay. This game makes a little more sense again. A tip o' the hat GBC, a wave o' the finger NC lol your obviously an idiot
Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:38:00 - [223] Edited by: Homo Erectus on 30/09/2008 16:39:14 digitalcommunist is a newbie in eve and knows nothing about this game. pay no heed to his fingers! :\| and Originally by: doofydoo lol your obviously an idiot you're obviously an idiot :\
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:39:00 - [224] not true
Detharon Teldarius	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:42:00 - [225] Edited by: Detharon Teldarius on 30/09/2008 16:44:00 Wow, is BOB really patting themselves on the back and denying the fact that all that happened was due to lag??? Lol typical BOB for ya... so how's that MAX goin?? ROFLCOPTER How bout in am-o when BOB fleet got wiped due to REAL superior tactics... oh wait node crashed ccp did a roll back and they got thier ships back..... exactly
Szass Tam Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:43:00 - [226] Edited by: Szass Tam on 30/09/2008 16:46:36 Originally by: doofydoo lol your obviously an idiot He "might" be an idiot, but he's posting with his main. Unlike you sir Mr. I'veGotSmallBalls. From all the years I've been playing (in and outside of BOB), I've seen Digi as an awesome poster and observator. Originally by: Detharon Teldarius Wow, is BOB really patting themselves on the back and denying the fact that all that happened was due to lag??? Lol typical BOB for ya... so how's that MAX goin?? ROFLCOPTER How bout in am-o when BOB fleet got wiped due to REAL superior tactics... oh wait node crashed ccp did a roll back and they got thier ships back..... exactly Poor bitter NC alt... grow balls, post with your main. BOB 4TW.
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:45:00 - [227] Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. Because, even though he's massacred more capital fleets than your alliance has ever fielded, it must be roleplay. This game makes a little more sense again. A tip o' the hat GBC, a wave o' the finger NC Waves of enemy ships Being outmaneuvered At their login screen snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:46:00 - [228] Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. Because, even though he's massacred more capital fleets than your alliance has ever fielded, it must be roleplay. This game makes a little more sense again. A tip o' the hat GBC, a wave o' the finger NC Its just human nature. If you get a speeding ticket, its the cop's fault. If you lose the game, you blame the refs. If you get a bad grade, the test was unfair. If your political campaign goes badly, you blame the media. --- "Let's all get really angry and serious about make believe spaceships and space rocks!" - Description of Eve Forum at SomethingAwful.com (RIP!)
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:49:00 - [229] Originally by: Detharon Teldarius Edited by: Detharon Teldarius on 30/09/2008 16:44:00 Wow, is BOB really patting themselves on the back and denying the fact that all that happened was due to lag??? Lol typical BOB for ya... so how's that MAX goin?? ROFLCOPTER As your laughing about bobs max campaign, you do realise they killed 50 cap ships and a few super caps lastnight right? idiot
dicequeen	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:49:00 - [230] Originally by: Machine Delta Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. Because, even though he's massacred more capital fleets than your alliance has ever fielded, it must be roleplay. This game makes a little more sense again. A tip o' the hat GBC, a wave o' the finger NC Waves of enemy ships Being outmaneuvered At their login screen Would be funny if it didn't come from goon tbh.

Velizaar SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:49:00 - [231] Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game...
Detharon Teldarius	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:49:00 - [232] Originally by: Onchas Erivvia Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. Because, even though he's massacred more capital fleets than your alliance has ever fielded, it must be roleplay. This game makes a little more sense again. A tip o' the hat GBC, a wave o' the finger NC Its just human nature. If you get a speeding ticket, its the cop's fault. If you lose the game, you blame the refs. If you get a bad grade, the test was unfair. If your political campaign goes badly, you blame the media. Yet very often it IS the cops fault, or it IS the refs fault, or it IS the game mechanics. Again please explain how BOB got thier asses handed to them in am-o then got all thier ships back due to ndo crash and server rollback, let me guess BOB rolled the server back?? no. GAME MECHANICS... isnt that hard a concept to comprehend even for BOB
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... You guys act like this is the first time anything like this has happened, everyone who has played this game for a decent amount of time knows a system cant handle them numbers, yet when you shove that amount of people in one system and the nodecrashes you all come to the forums and complain about how eve is broken. Why isntead of jumping so manypeople into m-0 you didnt try and get control of the system when bob didnt have so many people in there, or would that have meant maybe having to fight in lag free conditions with evenish numbers?
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:55:00 - [234] Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Vote with your wallet. Stop paying if the game is so broken.
VCBee 516	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:55:00 - [235] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... You guys act like this is the first time anything like this has happened, everyone who has played this game for a decent amount of time knows a system cant handle them numbers, yet when you shove that amount of people in one system and the nodecrashes you all come to the forums and complain about how eve is broken. Why isntead of jumping so manypeople into m-0 you didnt try and get control of the system when bob didnt have so many people in there, or would that have meant maybe having to fight in lag free conditions with evenish numbers? Why don't you disband your alliance about it.
Haakelen Gallente Genesis Rising Brotherhood of Nod.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:56:00 - [236] Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah?
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:58:00 - [237] Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... you do realize that this mess is the standard for about 5 years now and never ever have had eve more sups.
Prez21 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 16:59:00 - [238] Originally by: VCBee 516 Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... You guys act like this is the first time anything like this has happened, everyone who has played this game for a decent amount of time knows a system cant handle them numbers, yet when you shove that amount of people in one system and the nodecrashes you all come to the forums and complain about how eve is broken. Why isntead of jumping so manypeople into m-0 you didnt try and get control of the system when bob didnt have so many people in there, or would that have meant maybe having to fight in lag free conditions with evenish numbers? Why don't you disband your alliance about it. Its not my alliance im just a member so i couldnt disband it even if i wanted to, but thx for the idea <3
Cyrana Bergerac nicomedes inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:05:00 - [239] Congrats to Sir Molle. A great victory for you as always. Perfectly planned. Keep on rolling!
Dooshotron Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:18:00 - [240] Hai NC!

Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:18:00 - [241] BoB destroyed grid locked ships after a node crash. To the forums!
Scaen	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:26:00 - [242] It's just silly how people fail to see why outnumbering 3:1 and why it's CCP fail when nod crashes with so many people in same system. As that "reporter" stated, they had 5 titans in field, meaning 5 DD's every 60min. That alone is lots of looses by default. Ofcourse, so many titans are also great opportunity to get some of them which would compensate for all looses from DD's. Clearly you need enough force to get such task done after all those DD's. Further more, great outnumbering means more DPS, faster killing, less looses on our side in conventional fight. And finally, we're not fighting for some crap low sec system, they are invading north, home of all involved alliances, so 3:1 outnumbering is also morale wise, so they don't even think about coming back and try again. If someone is threatening you and your existance, would you just throw a rock at him to try scare him away, or you would call 5 more friends and beat shit out of him - in place where is no police to deal with it? And why it's CCP fail when nod crashes in obviously still overpopulated system? Such nod crashes didn't began to happen month or two ago, it's happening for 2 years at last. Yet CCP still didn't solve problem, even it's clearly that player base has grown and such events are more and more in place. But they are happy for greater monthly fees income from greater player base. Hire some proper db developers as first, than some extra coders and hardware engineers while you're already at it, that are capable of dealing with it for that extra money you're getting. And change that outdated hardware (it's not all outdated probably, but good part sure is). And to all who would say it: we dont like lag/desync/nod crashes when we win fight either, it's just not entertaining, and that's what game should be after all. Lastly, about "strategy" that you "reporter" mentioned all I can say is: you have no clue, man. Anyway, this conflict is far from over, see ya in space. Scaen
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:28:00 - [243] Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah? I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Getting into Tribute is a very different story to staying in Tribute. Node crashes will only help you in so many battles.
Seatoo Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:40:00 - [244] Originally by: Scaen It's just silly how people fail to see why outnumbering 3:1 and why it's CCP fail when nod crashes with so many people in same system. As that "reporter" stated, they had 5 titans in field, meaning 5 DD's every 60min. That alone is lots of looses by default. Ofcourse, so many titans are also great opportunity to get some of them which would compensate for all looses from DD's. Clearly you need enough force to get such task done after all those DD's. Further more, great outnumbering means more DPS, faster killing, less looses on our side in conventional fight. And finally, we're not fighting for some crap low sec system, they are invading north, home of all involved alliances, so 3:1 outnumbering is also morale wise, so they don't even think about coming back and try again. If someone is threatening you and your existance, would you just throw a rock at him to try scare him away, or you would call 5 more friends and beat shit out of him - in place where is no police to deal with it? And why it's CCP fail when nod crashes in obviously still overpopulated system? Such nod crashes didn't began to happen month or two ago, it's happening for 2 years at last. Yet CCP still didn't solve problem, even it's clearly that player base has grown and such events are more and more in place. But they are happy for greater monthly fees income from greater player base. Hire some proper db developers as first, than some extra coders and hardware engineers while you're already at it, that are capable of dealing with it for that extra money you're getting. And change that outdated hardware (it's not all outdated probably, but good part sure is). And to all who would say it: we dont like lag/desync/nod crashes when we win fight either, it's just not entertaining, and that's what game should be after all. Lastly, about "strategy" that you "reporter" mentioned all I can say is: you have no clue, man. Anyway, this conflict is far from over, see ya in space. Scaen Might wanna turn corp/alliance ticker on there champ
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:48:00 - [245] Oh god, deja vu. Allow me to Sun Tzu all up in this shit (EVE style): 1. The larger a fight is, the less it has to do with engagement and more to do with advantageous positioning. OP lists the NC FC's mistakes and how they were taken advantage of before anything happened to the node. NC fumbled into a bear den and complained the bears were cheating because they're more used to the darkness. Who cares its a god damned bear den. 2. If you recognize the enemy's superior discipline or experience with these situations in a 500 man brawl, you don't put your members through an even worse ordeal where they'll have more time to give up or.. blast garbage on TS. Jake Noble's running comparison of TS numbers showed NC giving up and falling with time. 3. If you don't recognize the above as true, but blame it on a more streamlined client configuration, you don't ignore this factor just because you have more people. People who do manage to load with a bloated client are still going to have a far worse experience with bigger delays on the FC's instructions. 4. You don't bring two times the people from a dozen random alliances that have no stake or experience in this, and expect to have two times the people 5 minutes into a fight. 5. Blaming lag is like blaming the weather for making the ground muddy. Blaming cheats is like blaming the enemy's use of black magic. Blaming devs is like blaming the Gods for favoring the enemy. If you're going to blame, you never ever *ever* use abstract concepts that you have zero control over. You're better off lynching an FC or two, as a perverse form of accountability. Mocking the talk of "strategy" just because some didn't get to fight does not mean none was used. Being able to see your ship doesn't mean you're magically immune to the 800lb gorilla on your grid. BoB would've lost more ships, but under the same preconditions, NC would have lost the fight and there would still be talk of lag and cheats and pompous Molleposts.
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:54:00 - [246] WTH is the powerpoint presentation usually going with this kind of posts?
Misha specijalac	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:56:00 - [247] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... You guys act like this is the first time anything like this has happened, everyone who has played this game for a decent amount of time knows a system cant handle them numbers, yet when you shove that amount of people in one system and the nodecrashes you all come to the forums and complain about how eve is broken. Why isntead of jumping so manypeople into m-0 you didnt try and get control of the system when bob didnt have so many people in there, or would that have meant maybe having to fight in lag free conditions with evenish numbers? Hey Nod crashed... Who manage logging back? That is the whole problem. BOB logged in and than NC. There where 700 NC to 300 BOB ratio. For every 3 BOB pilots logget in, there should be 7!!! NC pilots logged in too. A fair fight. This way BOB was logged in and waiting for NC. That wasnt fair. And thats why are ppl complaining.
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:29:00 - [248] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Oh god, deja vu. Allow me to Sun Tzu all up in this shit (EVE style): 1. The larger a fight is, the less it has to do with engagement and more to do with advantageous positioning. OP lists the NC FC's mistakes and how they were taken advantage of before anything happened to the node. NC fumbled into a bear den and complained the bears were cheating because they're more used to the darkness. Who cares its a god damned bear den. 2. If you recognize the enemy's superior discipline or experience with these situations in a 500 man brawl, you don't put your members through an even worse ordeal where they'll have more time to give up or.. blast garbage on TS. Jake Noble's running comparison of TS numbers showed NC giving up and falling with time. 3. If you don't recognize the above as true, but blame it on a more streamlined client configuration, you don't ignore this factor just because you have more people. People who do manage to load with a bloated client are still going to have a far worse experience with bigger delays on the FC's instructions. 4. You don't bring two times the people from a dozen random alliances that have no stake or experience in this, and expect to have two times the people 5 minutes into a fight. 5. Blaming lag is like blaming the weather for making the ground muddy. Blaming cheats is like blaming the enemy's use of black magic. Blaming devs is like blaming the Gods for favoring the enemy. If you're going to blame, you never ever *ever* use abstract concepts that you have zero control over. You're better off lynching an FC or two, as a perverse form of accountability. Mocking the talk of "strategy" just because some didn't get to fight does not mean none was used. Being able to see your ship doesn't mean you're magically immune to the 800lb gorilla on your grid. BoB would've lost more ships, but under the same preconditions, NC would have lost the fight and there would still be talk of lag and cheats and pompous Molleposts. Large posts Like ships Go ignored by the server snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
speedek Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:30:00 - [249] Originally by: Misha specijalac For every 3 BOB pilots logget in, there should be 7!!! NC pilots logged in too. A fair fight. Yup something like that
Red Hurricane Gallente You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:33:00 - [250] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Oh god, deja vu. Allow me to Sun Tzu all up in this shit (EVE style): 1. The larger a fight is, the less it has to do with engagement and more to do with advantageous positioning. OP lists the NC FC's mistakes and how they were taken advantage of before anything happened to the node. NC fumbled into a bear den and complained the bears were cheating because they're more used to the darkness. Who cares its a god damned bear den. 2. If you recognize the enemy's superior discipline or experience with these situations in a 500 man brawl, you don't put your members through an even worse ordeal where they'll have more time to give up or.. blast garbage on TS. Jake Noble's running comparison of TS numbers showed NC giving up and falling with time. 3. If you don't recognize the above as true, but blame it on a more streamlined client configuration, you don't ignore this factor just because you have more people. People who do manage to load with a bloated client are still going to have a far worse experience with bigger delays on the FC's instructions. 4. You don't bring two times the people from a dozen random alliances that have no stake or experience in this, and expect to have two times the people 5 minutes into a fight. 5. Blaming lag is like blaming the weather for making the ground muddy. Blaming cheats is like blaming the enemy's use of black magic. Blaming devs is like blaming the Gods for favoring the enemy. If you're going to blame, you never ever *ever* use abstract concepts that you have zero control over. You're better off lynching an FC or two, as a perverse form of accountability. Mocking the talk of "strategy" just because some didn't get to fight does not mean none was used. Being able to see your ship doesn't mean you're magically immune to the 800lb gorilla on your grid. BoB would've lost more ships, but under the same preconditions, NC would have lost the fight and there would still be talk of lag and cheats and pompous Molleposts. Aww I was expecting more than just one paragraph of Sun Tzu analogy However, post was dead on. This man speaks the truth.

Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:50:00 - [251] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/09/2008 18:50:58 Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. You are wasting your time explaining. Over the last 4 years, its just been constant "mass peasents with pichforks" vs smaller numbers of well armed soldiers with machine guns. Pods are cheap and subsadising people in relevent pvp ships is expensive, ya know. The great unwashed will never understand what 0.0 warfare is about. But the real reason is because we are using aimbots and headshot macro's. We also have a wallhack and have access to a lag button. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:51:00 - [252] Originally by: enjoi In all fairness, the node was doing amazingly well with 1,000 in local before the crash. You couldn't have asked for better performance, lag-wise, with that amount of people. It's one step closer to the dream, CCP, keep it up. This was actually true. I had very limited lag on the E-O gate before the crash. The server and game was running remarkably well just before the node crashing. Total Kills: 209 Total Losses: 5
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:59:00 - [253] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah? I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Getting into Tribute is a very different story to staying in Tribute. Node crashes will only help you in so many battles. BoB 'metagame' on the same level NC do - TS spies, POS passwords etc. Which is really standard practice. Also, NC have benefited from node crashes before and indeed won fights due to them. This time the coin landed on the wrong side, but that doesnt take away the fact that, actually, they lost this fight because BoB were better orgainsed and more disciplined than them. For example, you mentioned in another post that BoB were killing ships who didnt load grid. Partly true, but did you also know that at LEAST 15 of the NC dreads loaded grid, were targetting and shooting primaries, but ordered not to enter seige? That is why they didn't kill anything.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:05:00 - [254] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah? I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Getting into Tribute is a very different story to staying in Tribute. Node crashes will only help you in so many battles. wow how long you been playing. If molle loves anything its being outnumbered. Its far better to brag you killed your enemy outnumberd than with equal numbers on each side. Molle has a history of taking extreme lopsided fights since the I dont know the GNW. I mean seriously formidable numbers??? its only worth it if the numbers are worth a shit. And TBH the north really isnt. Thats why they always lose. Always looking for something else to blame other than their complete lack of understanding on how things work. Comdey gold. 0.0 the land of naps and log in ques.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:06:00 - [255] Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. -- Billion Isk Mission
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:09:00 - [256] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Quoting this for future reference. Ps: Molle still got kugu's adress, phonenumber and trying to call his boss? All ingame related ofc
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:13:00 - [257] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Ask Lallante how to go about hiring hackers for OOG websites next time you talk to him. snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email [email protected] with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:16:00 - [258] Originally by: Twoside Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Quoting this for future reference. Ps: Molle still got kugu's adress, phonenumber and trying to call his boss? All ingame related ofc Kugu still hacking in to sites and breaking laws? All ingame related ofc. The truth will set you free
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:18:00 - [259] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Twoside Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Quoting this for future reference. Ps: Molle still got kugu's adress, phonenumber and trying to call his boss? All ingame related ofc Kugu still hacking in to sites and breaking laws? All ingame related ofc. if he stopped tomorrow I'd be happy as I would be with others, like your alliance, who do these things
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:22:00 - [260] Another node crash....Check Another time bob loads first....Check Another time lag favors bob....Check Another chest beating thread about how uber bob is when other's can't even load the grid....Check 10/10 Would call BS again. Fake edit: So strategy is haveing ***'s in your pocket eh?? Yeah High five! o/\o

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:23:00 - [261] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Another node crash....Check Another time bob loads first....Check Another time lag favors bob....Check Another chest beating thread about how uber bob is when other's can't even load the grid....Check 10/10 Would call BS again. Fake edit: So strategy is haveing ***'s in your pocket eh?? Yeah High five! o/\o Cancel your account. Now.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:25:00 - [262] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Another node crash....Check Another time bob loads first....Check Another time lag favors bob....Check Another chest beating thread about how uber bob is when other's can't even load the grid....Check 10/10 Would call BS again. Fake edit: So strategy is haveing ***'s in your pocket eh?? Yeah High five! o/\o Cancel your account. Now. No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:26:00 - [263] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now.
Niraco79 Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:27:00 - [264] In other NEWS: We killed 2 min ago a NC Ravan in M-O in a belt....probably ratting.
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:28:00 - [265] So, what I'm wondering about all of this is if KIA, TCF and others wanted to help, why weren't they in Delve knocking down cyno jammers to provide a big open target for anyone who might be interested? Would have at least split BoB's attention a bit, no? Is there some unwritten law that you have to fight over one system at a time, or does every BoB pilot have so many high SP alts that they can easily just be in two places at once? ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:32:00 - [266] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now. So I can post in bob's, "were better than you" threads ofc.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:32:00 - [267] GBC wins EVE... Let's go play new game... http://www.jumpgateevolution.com/ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:35:00 - [268] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now. So I can post in bob's, "were better than you" threads ofc. So you're paying 15$ a month to someone for the privilige of calling them out on cheating you. Seems smart.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:37:00 - [269] Molle at his best. In CAOD and on the battlefield. <3 that. What I love even more are the tears of the NC and companions. Them tears flooded into the oceans and we wouldn't even need the greenhouse effect to lift the mean sea level by a significant height. So I demand: Stop killing NC! Stop killing mankind! -> Think green <- rgrds c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Lucian Alucard Caldari Black Vice Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:38:00 - [270]

Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:39:00 - [271] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now. So I can post in bob's, "were better than you" threads ofc. So you're paying 15$ a month to someone for the privilige of calling them out on cheating you. Seems smart. As smart a flaming someone for there comments on an internet forum? Fail much?
Serene Thear Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:50:00 - [272] Jake Noble just posted some freh NC tears! --> RZR: M-O battle "** BOB, ** CCP! They better do a rollback!" 30 Sep 2008 --> RZR: Eve online and Lag... "3 Hours waiting, CCP is awesome."30th sept. --> RZR: M-O POS Saving "I swear to god, CCP helps BoB!" 29th sept
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:02:00 - [273] Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 30/09/2008 20:03:24 Originally by: Jinshu To be honest, the NC didn't loose a fight to your superior tactics, they didn't even lost the fight to you. They simply lost the fight to the Game that is. If only half the people that were staring at blackscreens while their ships were allready on grid and dying would have been able to do something - it would have been a different story. As you said yourself you were outnumbered horrifically and doomsdaying a supportfleet at the gate would have still not won you the fight nor is that a superior tactic to begin with. So keep braging as long as you want - it will not make it true. So what you're really saying, is that NC didn't lose the fight to a group of thinking enemies, it lost it to an entity that, while having enormous processing power, was not even designed to be hostile to you? ahahahahaha, hahahahahaha. That's like someone getting into a fistfight with a Cray XT4 and being electrocuted, with the unfortunate downside that you can't be given a darwin award for dying in EVE. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:06:00 - [274] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 30/09/2008 20:03:24 Originally by: Jinshu To be honest, the NC didn't loose a fight to your superior tactics, they didn't even lost the fight to you. They simply lost the fight to the Game that is. If only half the people that were staring at blackscreens while their ships were allready on grid and dying would have been able to do something - it would have been a different story. As you said yourself you were outnumbered horrifically and doomsdaying a supportfleet at the gate would have still not won you the fight nor is that a superior tactic to begin with. So keep braging as long as you want - it will not make it true. So what you're really saying, is that NC didn't lose the fight to a group of thinking enemies, it lost it to an entity that, while having enormous processing power, was not even designed to be hostile to you? ahahahahaha, hahahahahaha. That's like someone getting into a fistfight with a Cray XT4 and being electrocuted, with the unfortunate downside that you can't be given a darwin award for dying in EVE. Actully I think he's saying "Funny damn thing bod can load the grid, warp caps and supercaps around, while almost all nc pilots are stuck at loading...." I know thats what I'm saying :)
Queeria Galactic Bull-dike Society II	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:13:00 - [275] Originally by: Serene Thear Jake Noble just posted some freh NC tears! --> RZR: M-O battle "** BOB, ** CCP! They better do a rollback!" 30 Sep 2008 --> RZR: Eve online and Lag... "3 Hours waiting, CCP is awesome."30th sept. --> RZR: M-O POS Saving "I swear to god, CCP helps BoB!" 29th sept Your Kugu links fail
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:13:00 - [276] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros Face it, BoB get the same treatment from the server that you do, and the reason that you lose is because Evolution made us better than you. :facepalm: And here I thought all the confirmed accounts of bod getting support from :cough: made you better, my bad
Ur235 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:18:00 - [277] If were luckly most of the EVE players will relaise how crappy eve is in these epic battles that seem to favour 1 side or the other but never a in between And after they relaise that msot of the players will leave, CCP goes bankrupt EVE dies, and we move on to a new game thats not broken and allows more strategies than just "blobbin the crap out of everyone" My 2 cents
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:19:00 - [278] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros Evolution made us better than you. Hi! What great timing I have... [center] Old blog
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:24:00 - [279] Haha failswarm all over again ? I think nc should be renamed - NFC [Northern Failswarm Coalition] as the vast resemblance is uncany or [Notta Fawking Clue] Well done GBC, much <3 to my bob comrades (Hi Hi Yvonne, Geno and SF o/).
Ace Frehley Minmatar The Movement	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:30:00 - [280] please send best of quotes to me when topic is locked. Please send to: [email protected] ninja edit,,, oups busted signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan

Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:33:00 - [281] I want friends in Iceland FFS! I hear they like Tom Hanks movies.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:39:00 - [282] Oh crap, other threads are being locked, must be Max damage control time!
Drakoumel inSpace Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:43:00 - [283] yes its a strategy , yes its a chess , a very good move of Molle , but the problem is that the CCP dont give as pawns to play
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:44:00 - [284] Strategi iz weri ymportant.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:46:00 - [285] Originally by: Drakoumel inSpace yes its a strategy , yes its a chess , a very good move of Molle , but the problem is that the CCP dont give as pawns to play yeah blame CCP for your FC's decisions to jump into a camp and not jump somewhere else into the system.. yep.. CCP did that. seriously lol 0.0 the land of nap and log in ques
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:50:00 - [286] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Drakoumel inSpace yes its a strategy , yes its a chess , a very good move of Molle , but the problem is that the CCP dont give as pawns to play yeah blame CCP for your FC's decisions to jump into a camp and not jump somewhere else into the system.. yep.. CCP did that. seriously lol 0.0 the land of nap and log in ques Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:50:00 - [287] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot As smart a flaming someone for there comments on an internet forum? I wasn't flaming you. I just don't think it's really smart to pay money to someone just to be able to tell them to stop cheating you. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Fail much? Yes, I really think you do. Don't take it as a flame though. I don't think you could take another setback right now, what with you getting run out of your home and all.
Dark Klotz Amarr Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:53:00 - [288] 1. Posting in a SirMolle thread. 2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, seeing the GBC give it back to the NC puts a smile on my face. ---------------------------- Alliance Leader Combined Planetary Union
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:55:00 - [289] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot As smart a flaming someone for there comments on an internet forum? I wasn't flaming you. I just don't think it's really smart to pay money to someone just to be able to tell them to stop cheating you. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Fail much? Yes, I really think you do. Don't take it as a flame though. I don't think you could take another setback right now, what with you getting run out of your home and all. I pay for it, therefore I'd do as I wish. WTF are you talking about? You don't know where my home is. I'm not an NC member if thats what your implying. Maybe you should get back to ratting, don't forget you have rent to pay
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:55:00 - [290] Having failed to see space for a day now, I've been told by some nice gm fella that I should logon "when the load is lower". Can someone msn me when that happens? Boink!

Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:58:00 - [291] Originally by: ElCoCo Having failed to see space for a day now, I've been told by some nice gm fella that I should logon "when the load is lower". Can someone msn me when that happens? You must not have been killed while not loaded yet, wait for the bod's to blow up your ship, then you'll be moved or be able to log-in.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:58:00 - [292] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Drakoumel inSpace yes its a strategy , yes its a chess , a very good move of Molle , but the problem is that the CCP dont give as pawns to play yeah blame CCP for your FC's decisions to jump into a camp and not jump somewhere else into the system.. yep.. CCP did that. seriously lol 0.0 the land of nap and log in ques Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0 im pretty sure there was a JB on the gate also.. Yeah I guess that makes sense too huh?. done the 0.0 thing didnt like having my fleet battle outcomes selected by the server. No thanks... 0.0 the lands of nap and log in ques.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 20:59:00 - [293] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Drakoumel inSpace yes its a strategy , yes its a chess , a very good move of Molle , but the problem is that the CCP dont give as pawns to play yeah blame CCP for your FC's decisions to jump into a camp and not jump somewhere else into the system.. yep.. CCP did that. seriously lol 0.0 the land of nap and log in ques Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0 Actually they didnt HAVE to jump in at all, they chose to and it was a poor decision. They could have taken that 800 man blob with 100+ capitals and re-took Deklein, or hit Delve, or done any number of things which would make far more sense than suiciding their fleet into a system which already had 450 people waiting to kill them. Oh, another quite big fight just happened in M-0, about 200ish NC/KIA et all logged in. I think it was an escape move. Lots of them died.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:02:00 - [294] Originally by: O Thief Oh, another quite big fight just happened in M-0, about 200ish NC/KIA et all logged in. I think it was an escape move. Lots of them died. Nah noone wanted to escape, well at least not at first. I still haven't seen space! Boink!
PisoGlentida	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:03:00 - [295] Sir mole Your strategy is .. Bob loosing Bob outnumbers Bob DD its faild = Eve Crush
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:05:00 - [296] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot I pay for it, therefore I'd do as I wish. I'm not saying you can't pay 15$ a month to someone to tell him off for cheating you. I'm just saying it sounds pretty friggin stupid. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot WTF are you talking about? You don't know where my home is. I'm not an NC member if thats what your implying. Maybe you should get back to ratting, don't forget you have rent to pay Well, it's kind of obvious you're the bitter alt of a 0.0 alliance member who's about to - or has already - loose his home to the GBC. If that's too much assumption for ya, why not post with your main? Also, I don't pay rent in isk. My landlord doesn't accept monopoly money either. If you're talking in game, Empire rates are pretty cheap. I'm sure you'll find out soon enough.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:07:00 - [297] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Drakoumel inSpace yes its a strategy , yes its a chess , a very good move of Molle , but the problem is that the CCP dont give as pawns to play yeah blame CCP for your FC's decisions to jump into a camp and not jump somewhere else into the system.. yep.. CCP did that. seriously lol 0.0 the land of nap and log in ques Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0 Actually they didnt HAVE to jump in at all, they chose to and it was a poor decision. They could have taken that 800 man blob with 100+ capitals and re-took Deklein, or hit Delve, or done any number of things which would make far more sense than suiciding their fleet into a system which already had 450 people waiting to kill them. Oh, another quite big fight just happened in M-0, about 200ish NC/KIA et all logged in. I think it was an escape move. Lots of them died. They could've let there pos die and givin up the system without a fight true. But then again, maybe they were expecting a fair fight (fair fight meaning within game mechanics). I know against bod was dumb to think but he, everyone has a dream.
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:09:00 - [298] Ok guys serious question as internet spaceships is a serious game, if you guys claim like you have done manytimes before, that you can fight and defeat bob with equal numbers and only lose when the node crashes or you get hit by terrible lag, do you then go invite TCF/KIA/DIASHO and some other fail alliances to come to m-o especialy when ccp has just got the server running ok with large fleet battles instead of just fighting bob with the alliances you have been? If bob had 350 peeps as thats the number that seems to be popping up more consistantly, did you guys go bring 600+, why didnt you just bring 350 or 400 and actualy have the chance to have a decent fight? Everyone knows eve camt handle 1k people fighting in the same system yet you still brought so many and then you complain about it on the forums. If you realy do think bobare cheating why do you carry on playing EVE i know i would cancel my account if i thought that.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:14:00 - [299] Originally by: 5h4dy Ok guys serious question as internet spaceships is a serious game, if you guys claim like you have done manytimes before, that you can fight and defeat bob with equal numbers and only lose when the node crashes or you get hit by terrible lag, do you then go invite TCF/KIA/DIASHO and some other fail alliances to come to m-o especialy when ccp has just got the server running ok with large fleet battles instead of just fighting bob with the alliances you have been? If bob had 350 peeps as thats the number that seems to be popping up more consistantly, did you guys go bring 600+, why didnt you just bring 350 or 400 and actualy have the chance to have a decent fight? Everyone knows eve camt handle 1k people fighting in the same system yet you still brought so many and then you complain about it on the forums. If you realy do think bobare cheating why do you carry on playing EVE i know i would cancel my account if i thought that. because if you are going to lose half your fleet to questionable node crashes and not being able to log-in or load the grid, you bring enough to account for that.
Serene Thear Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:16:00 - [300] Your links fail They are google feedburner links and messed up as one of the admin tried to use hebrew as a forum title. They are working again now.

5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:16:00 - [301] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: 5h4dy Ok guys serious question as internet spaceships is a serious game, if you guys claim like you have done manytimes before, that you can fight and defeat bob with equal numbers and only lose when the node crashes or you get hit by terrible lag, do you then go invite TCF/KIA/DIASHO and some other fail alliances to come to m-o especialy when ccp has just got the server running ok with large fleet battles instead of just fighting bob with the alliances you have been? If bob had 350 peeps as thats the number that seems to be popping up more consistantly, did you guys go bring 600+, why didnt you just bring 350 or 400 and actualy have the chance to have a decent fight? Everyone knows eve camt handle 1k people fighting in the same system yet you still brought so many and then you complain about it on the forums. If you realy do think bobare cheating why do you carry on playing EVE i know i would cancel my account if i thought that. because if you are going to lose half your fleet to questionable node crashes and not being able to log-in or load the grid, you bring enough to account for that. But wouldnt there be less chance of the node crash with less numbers in the system, as many people have already said, the lag was ok until the node crashed so there may have been a good chance the node wouldnt have crashed with less numbers. People in this game are just to afraid to lose and it makes people bitter as seen by alot of posts in this thread.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:16:00 - [302] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot They could've let there pos die and givin up the system without a fight true. But then again, maybe they were expecting a fair fight (fair fight meaning within game mechanics). I know against bod was dumb to think but he, everyone has a dream. Please name any time, ever, in which jumping 700 into 400 has been a 'good idea'. Call it what it was - a strategic error. They messed up, they paid the price. Thats really all there is to it.
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:23:00 - [303] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: 5h4dy Ok guys serious question as internet spaceships is a serious game, if you guys claim like you have done manytimes before, that you can fight and defeat bob with equal numbers and only lose when the node crashes or you get hit by terrible lag, do you then go invite TCF/KIA/DIASHO and some other fail alliances to come to m-o especialy when ccp has just got the server running ok with large fleet battles instead of just fighting bob with the alliances you have been? If bob had 350 peeps as thats the number that seems to be popping up more consistantly, did you guys go bring 600+, why didnt you just bring 350 or 400 and actualy have the chance to have a decent fight? Everyone knows eve camt handle 1k people fighting in the same system yet you still brought so many and then you complain about it on the forums. If you realy do think bobare cheating why do you carry on playing EVE i know i would cancel my account if i thought that. again.... i had my cov ops alt in there for pretty much the whole night before the node crash, GBC has at the top end 455, thats a 4 a 5 and another 5 = 455, that included 3 titans logged in, 9 moms, 84 subcaps and the rest a mix of bs/support. Yes we had approx 600, but then jumping into a camp (the decision to jump/not jump aside) of that size would need superior numbers? Well other people who were there have claimed gbc had less than 400, why should i believe you, the simple fact is your terrified to fight with even numbers because your scared you would have nothing to blame if you lost, thats how i see it, there was no need to bring tcf and co into the fight, you guys never wanted a good fight you wanted to blob the system and hope your extra numbers would be a deciding factor.
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:25:00 - [304] sais the brave alt
Serene Thear Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:28:00 - [305] Originally by: DigitalCommunist words Jade Constantine dwarfed the size of your posts. What are you gonna do about it/
Praetor Novak Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:28:00 - [306] Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals... This is the largest amount of Bbuullllsshhiitt ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the aaassss of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited.
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:28:00 - [307] Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:30:00 - [308] Originally by: Serene Thear Originally by: DigitalCommunist words Jade Constantine dwarfed the size of your posts. What are you gonna do about it/ He's going to open msn, convo someone in a country I'm not allowed to say, and have him warned
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:31:00 - [309] Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. A question, usually ends with a question mark, your useless post didn't end with a question mark, so can't be defined as a question, so he doesn't need to answer it. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator
n0sPIG Pakehaz.	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:34:00 - [310] So... you like stuff?

5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:35:00 - [311] Originally by: Praetor Novak Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals... This is the largest amount of Bbuullllsshhiitt ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the aaassss of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited. Post like this embarass your alliance, i know there is plenty of good people in mm and they must be cringing when they read some of the stuff people like you post, you claim TRI are pets because you couldnt beat thej so instead of excepting that tri made a good strategic move when hitting hydra while alot of the nc was busy and then holding the system when mm and pure tried to retake it, you find it easier to label them as pets because it makes you feel better and hides the fact that TRI did a good job.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:35:00 - [312] Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. So, by following your marvelous implied strategy, the NC should not loose an already occupied system by feeding into it just a moderate fleet at a time, to make sure it is completely erased with figthers and doomsdays. Are you really playing this game, troll?
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:36:00 - [313] Originally by: Praetor Novak You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Yup! All it takes is to arrange for our enemies to try to outnumber us by charging 700+ into our 350+ (in prepared defensive positions). We're VERY good at this.... 'exploit'... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:36:00 - [314] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. A question, usually ends with a question mark, your useless post didn't end with a question mark, so can't be defined as a question, so he doesn't need to answer it. Sorry if you are abit tired and worn out after lastnight but the question mark was a few sentences into what i wrote the last bit was just my opinion, sorry for the misunderstanding and i will try and make it clearer for you next time
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:36:00 - [315] Originally by: n0sPIG So... you like stuff? Yes big stuff is what i like. CCP and eve, no thats something i've started to detest! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator
halp me THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:36:00 - [316] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Smokie McLottapot They could've let there pos die and givin up the system without a fight true. But then again, maybe they were expecting a fair fight (fair fight meaning within game mechanics). I know against bod was dumb to think but he, everyone has a dream. Please name any time, ever, in which jumping 700 into 400 has been a 'good idea'. Call it what it was - a strategic error. They messed up, they paid the price. Thats really all there is to it. jv1v.... tool stop drinking molle's kool aid
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:37:00 - [317] Originally by: Praetor Novak When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. Internal RZR communique No, you just made a propaganda leaflet about it and posted it on EVE-O for everyone to admire. The truth will set you free
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:38:00 - [318] Originally by: 5h4dy Post like this embarass your alliance, i know there is plenty of good people in mm and they must be cringing when they read some of the stuff people like you post, you claim TRI are pets because you couldnt beat thej so instead of excepting that tri made a good strategic move when hitting hydra while alot of the nc was busy and then holding the system when mm and pure tried to retake it, you find it easier to label them as pets because it makes you feel better and hides the fact that TRI did a good job. using the enter-key is sooooo 2007 (and .'s not to forget)
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:38:00 - [319] Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. A question, usually ends with a question mark, your useless post didn't end with a question mark, so can't be defined as a question, so he doesn't need to answer it. Sorry if you are abit tired and worn out after lastnight but the question mark was a few sentences into what i wrote the last bit was just my opinion, sorry for the misunderstanding and i will try and make it clearer for you next time Thx really appreciate it. In other news i don't even bother to login anymore, can make my time more usefull then just stare at a black screen for an hour. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:40:00 - [320] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. So, by following your marvelous implied strategy, the NC should not loose an already occupied system by feeding into it just a moderate fleet at a time, to make sure it is completely erased with figthers and doomsdays. Are you really playing this game, troll? Couldnt they have bridged into one of there pos and then fought from there? Surely that would have been the logical thing to do, they would have had abit of coverage from the pos guns and then had the chance to regroup and set up warp ins and load spots on the grid or would that have been a clever thing to do? the fact that you can only smack me and call me a troll when im trying to make valid points shows me you arent very smart or good at this game and the easiest way to cover that up is by smacking.

Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:40:00 - [321] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. A question, usually ends with a question mark, your useless post didn't end with a question mark, so can't be defined as a question, so he doesn't need to answer it. Sorry if you are abit tired and worn out after lastnight but the question mark was a few sentences into what i wrote the last bit was just my opinion, sorry for the misunderstanding and i will try and make it clearer for you next time Thx really appreciate it. In other news i don't even bother to login anymore, can make my time more usefull then just stare at a black screen for an hour. BITTER NC SPOTTED!!!
Gabriel Roberts Minmatar Brecken Solutions	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:40:00 - [322] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Praetor Novak When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. Internal RZR communique No, you just made a propaganda leaflet about it and posted it on EVE-O for everyone to admire. This is pretty stupid even for you.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:41:00 - [323] Originally by: Twoside Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. A question, usually ends with a question mark, your useless post didn't end with a question mark, so can't be defined as a question, so he doesn't need to answer it. Sorry if you are abit tired and worn out after lastnight but the question mark was a few sentences into what i wrote the last bit was just my opinion, sorry for the misunderstanding and i will try and make it clearer for you next time Thx really appreciate it. In other news i don't even bother to login anymore, can make my time more usefull then just stare at a black screen for an hour. BITTER NC SPOTTED!!! Pyramid quoter spotted!!!! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator
Ervol Libra Amarr Invenio Inceptum	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:41:00 - [324] Hello Kitty Online way
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:42:00 - [325] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Praetor Novak When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. Internal RZR communique No, you just made a propaganda leaflet about it and posted it on EVE-O for everyone to admire. Which you so successfully tried to turn into your own advantage. When you're living only for winning it's hard to recognize a friendly tap. I'm sure you're world is nice.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:42:00 - [326] Originally by: Praetor Novak tears and crying and whining Oh man, framing this one :D Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:42:00 - [327] Originally by: Twoside Originally by: 5h4dy Post like this embarass your alliance, i know there is plenty of good people in mm and they must be cringing when they read some of the stuff people like you post, you claim TRI are pets because you couldnt beat thej so instead of excepting that tri made a good strategic move when hitting hydra while alot of the nc was busy and then holding the system when mm and pure tried to retake it, you find it easier to label them as pets because it makes you feel better and hides the fact that TRI did a good job. using the enter-key is sooooo 2007 (and .'s not to forget) Sorry bout that but i spent enough time using proper grammer when i was at school and university, sorry if i dont realy care about using perfect sentence structure and grammer when posting on this forum. Anyway im still yet to see any real answers to some of the questions ive asked but it seems like most of he decent NC members avoid this forum and leave it to a few of the idiots.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:44:00 - [328] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Praetor Novak tears and crying and whining Oh man, framing this one :D Since I have top go for abit I just wanted to qoute this and say: BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD BOD Thats is all :)
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:45:00 - [329] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Praetor Novak When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. Internal RZR communique No, you just made a propaganda leaflet about it and posted it on EVE-O for everyone to admire. Which you so successfully tried to turn into your own advantage. When you're living only for winning it's hard to recognize a friendly tap. I'm sure you're world is nice. Oh, I live for this shit. Maybe you should read my title in game. The truth will set you free
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:45:00 - [330] Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. So, by following your marvelous implied strategy, the NC should not loose an already occupied system by feeding into it just a moderate fleet at a time, to make sure it is completely erased with figthers and doomsdays. Are you really playing this game, troll? Couldnt they have bridged into one of there pos and then fought from there? Surely that would have been the logical thing to do, they would have had abit of coverage from the pos guns and then had the chance to regroup and set up warp ins and load spots on the grid or would that have been a clever thing to do? the fact that you can only smack me and call me a troll when im trying to make valid points shows me you arent very smart or good at this game and the easiest way to cover that up is by smacking. Armchair generals are the worst. Read better and stop making a fool of yourself. Several people have said in different forums : every pos in that system was disabled and bubbled. Your points are mute.

Frankie Fistybuns	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:45:00 - [331] Originally by: Praetor Novak Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals... This is the largest amount of Bbuullllsshhiitt ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the aaassss of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited. http://www.chinablakephotography.com/Outrage.jpg
MacLuven EL Bernays School of Strategic Communication	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:47:00 - [332] Originally by: Praetor Novak Post constructively. ~Saint It's hard for me to express how happy this post made me. Thank you sir. Thank you for posting this. CAOD had become so dreary, so routine. But you've given me a reason to post again, a reason to read again. Thank you. Thank you for being the useless pubbie you are. I shall never forget this. =--==--= Hi!
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:52:00 - [333] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Twoside sais the brave alt If you cant answer the questions that just proves that im right, im just going by what i see, and this is actualy a main. The fact that you cant give a single good reason for bringing in so many more alliances seems to point to the fact that you rely on numbers over skill to win, and when your numbers make the nodes crash you resort to flaming the forums and threatening to quit the game instead of excepting that the blame in large lies with you. So, by following your marvelous implied strategy, the NC should not loose an already occupied system by feeding into it just a moderate fleet at a time, to make sure it is completely erased with figthers and doomsdays. Are you really playing this game, troll? Couldnt they have bridged into one of there pos and then fought from there? Surely that would have been the logical thing to do, they would have had abit of coverage from the pos guns and then had the chance to regroup and set up warp ins and load spots on the grid or would that have been a clever thing to do? the fact that you can only smack me and call me a troll when im trying to make valid points shows me you arent very smart or good at this game and the easiest way to cover that up is by smacking. Armchair generals are the worst. Read better and stop making a fool of yourself. Several people have said in different forums : every pos in that system was disabled and bubbled. Your points are mute. You cant call me an armchair general when you have no idea who ive flown with, I have other accounts that are and have fought in many 0.0 wars i just dont have the time to use them so this is my main for now. The fact is even a few have the nc memembers have questioned there own FC's decsion to jump bridge in where they did and why didnt the NC forces try and gain control of m-o when bob had less of a presence there? The fact that they let bob dig themselves in and get setup nicely for the incoming fleets was a huge reason why this mess happened in the first place.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.09.30 21:59:00 - [334] Originally by: 5h4dy You cant call me an armchair general when you have no idea who ive flown with, I have other accounts that are and have fought in many 0.0 wars i just dont have the time to use them so this is my main for now. The fact is even a few have the nc memembers have questioned there own FC's decsion to jump bridge in where they did and why didnt the NC forces try and gain control of m-o when bob had less of a presence there? The fact that they let bob dig themselves in and get setup nicely for the incoming fleets was a huge reason why this mess happened in the first place. Well, as you say it yourself, you don't have the time for Eve, yet you comment on it. Your past experience (in F-E?) is mute at this point as you have no idea how the recent events occured, as you very well show it. You're indeed an armchair general.
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:01:00 - [335] Originally by: Atropos Kahn GBC wins EVE... Let's go play new game... http://www.jumpgateevolution.com/ ALL OCTS MUST DIE!!!
5h4dy Caeco Dominus	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:06:00 - [336] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy You cant call me an armchair general when you have no idea who ive flown with, I have other accounts that are and have fought in many 0.0 wars i just dont have the time to use them so this is my main for now. The fact is even a few have the nc memembers have questioned there own FC's decsion to jump bridge in where they did and why didnt the NC forces try and gain control of m-o when bob had less of a presence there? The fact that they let bob dig themselves in and get setup nicely for the incoming fleets was a huge reason why this mess happened in the first place. Well, as you say it yourself, you don't have the time for Eve, yet you comment on it. Your past experience (in F-E?) is mute at this point as you have no idea how the recent events occured, as you very well show it. You're indeed an armchair general. The fact that the only arguments you have been able to put forward are flaming and nothing much else show me that i think deep down you know im right and you just dont have an logical explanation for any of the points i have brought up and every post you make just proves how bitter you are towards bob (yes i have seen many of your replies in other threads) As for my other account he has actualy been involved in the fighting up north and only went inactive not even 2 weeks ago so even though i havnt been involved in the recent m-o fights ive got more of an idea of whats gone up north than you have and no im not gbc before you start and im certainly not f-e either. Thx for the discussion but i think i,ll leave it there as your arguments are quite poor and you are still to bitter to admit what is actualy going on.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:08:00 - [337] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/09/2008 22:08:43 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy You cant call me an armchair general when you have no idea who ive flown with, I have other accounts that are and have fought in many 0.0 wars i just dont have the time to use them so this is my main for now. The fact is even a few have the nc memembers have questioned there own FC's decsion to jump bridge in where they did and why didnt the NC forces try and gain control of m-o when bob had less of a presence there? The fact that they let bob dig themselves in and get setup nicely for the incoming fleets was a huge reason why this mess happened in the first place. Well, as you say it yourself, you don't have the time for Eve, yet you comment on it. Your past experience (in F-E?) is mute at this point as you have no idea how the recent events occured, as you very well show it. You're indeed an armchair general. The guys point is that if NC are so good, then how the heck could our side manage to even enter that system at all? I mean, we do not need more Comical Ali's on NC's side to start theorycrafting about 'what if' scenarios. Even with 0 lag, you guys were beat before you jumped in. I will leave you to ponder on why. The only thing worse than this epic blunder, is the fact that you guys still do not relise your mistake. -- Billion Isk Mission
touchvill Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:08:00 - [338] Edited by: touchvill on 30/09/2008 22:08:20 Originally by: 5h4dy Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: 5h4dy You cant call me an armchair general when you have no idea who ive flown with, I have other accounts that are and have fought in many 0.0 wars i just dont have the time to use them so this is my main for now. The fact is even a few have the nc memembers have questioned there own FC's decsion to jump bridge in where they did and why didnt the NC forces try and gain control of m-o when bob had less of a presence there? The fact that they let bob dig themselves in and get setup nicely for the incoming fleets was a huge reason why this mess happened in the first place. Well, as you say it yourself, you don't have the time for Eve, yet you comment on it. Your past experience (in F-E?) is mute at this point as you have no idea how the recent events occured, as you very well show it. You're indeed an armchair general. The fact that the only arguments you have been able to put forward are flaming and nothing much else show me that i think deep down you know im right and you just dont have an logical explanation for any of the points i have brought up and every post you make just proves how bitter you are towards bob (yes i have seen many of your replies in other threads) As for my other account he has actualy been involved in the fighting up north and only went inactive not even 2 weeks ago so even though i havnt been involved in the recent m-o fights ive got more of an idea of whats gone up north than you have and no im not gbc before you start and im certainly not f-e either. Thx for the discussion but i think i,ll leave it there as your arguments are quite poor and you are still to bitter to admit what is actualy going on. Tri Alt! I reckon it's Wargod! ----------
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:12:00 - [339] Originally by: 5h4dy The fact is even a few have the nc memembers have questioned there own FC's decsion to jump bridge in where they did and why didnt the NC forces try and gain control of m-o when bob had less of a presence there? The fact that they let bob dig themselves in and get setup nicely for the incoming fleets was a huge reason why this mess happened in the first place. We've actually wondered about this ourselves.... The decision to jump in at that time was one of the worst possible decision I've ever seen. We'd just finished killing a POS so our Cap fleet was online and in system, our BS fleet fully active and titans on standby. They even waited until our dreads was out of siege before attacking! Them trying to gather everyone + dog before moving also gave us much more time to prepare... It seems the oppositions FC's doesn't understand tactics/strategies more advanced than: "Gather Blob! CHARGE!" They didn't even wait until we were few in number, but attacked while we were fully active WW1 analogy (yes, I know... bad): General looking across barren flat field to enemy fortress..... Spots enemy forces are all awake for drill. Thinks 'Perfect time for attack, they're all there'..... CHARGE! (but orders soldiers to walk so they don't fall) My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Tijuana Game-Over	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:21:00 - [340] Fact: There are no good FCs in the NC. Rationale: Agmar and Yaay beat them. ______

Lord EmBra Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:22:00 - [341] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/09/2008 22:08:43 The guys point is that if NC are so good, then how the heck could our side manage to even enter that system at all? You see, you jumped in to our camp from Taisy, most of our support was in e-o but jumped into m-o when you jumped into m-o. our battleships started killing several of your Battleships and we took light losses while inflicting more on your side. Lag was not bad, just a few seconds. The your FC warps half your fleet to a point on grid over 300km from our BSs and leaves half your fleet in sniper range, ready to be massacre by us. At this time the node crash. everyone tries to lag back in, the node crash again. Now everyone gets blackscreen at character selection and when we finaly manage to get people into the system you guys are already there loaded and ready and pick us off one by one as we enter space (Those of us that manage to load, I never did...) Thats how you got into m-o in the first place and thats what led us to the current situation. But you know this so why ask?
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:38:00 - [342] Both gloat and whine are strong in this thread. It sounded like an epic fight, if I were in the NC (and as difficult as this might sound) I'd try to take that turkey shoot on the chin - and move on. Perhaps not let them dig in so well the next time you go at'm? Good luck boys, I'm no fan of BoB but between solid planning and a bit of luck, a turkey shoot is a turkey shoot. The only thing they have to legitimately smack about is the emo tears getting cried here and in other threads. Deny them whine, say "gf next map" and move on. Just my two cents.
Praetor Novak Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:49:00 - [343] Hey ~Saint you can ____ my _____. Your snip of my post is most telling CCP/Bob. You just don't want the whole EVE community to hear the truth about the relationship between CCP and Bob. Freedom of speech, eh? ôConstructive commentsö to CCP is equal to not attacking their pet corporations of Bob in public. When the concept of freewill is trampled and you've openly exhibited to the whole EVE community your heavy hand in controlling the outcomes of the sandbox you've created û people will quit playing EVE. There is a need for people to feel that their destiny is not controlled and this just isn't the case anymore. CCP controls EVE down to every detail in every outcome when it comes to their in game corporations. They cannot only not resist playing that which they've created, they cannot resist the temptation to win at any cost. The all throughout mythology gods were punished for intentionally interfering with their creations so will CCPs control of their creation. Sandbox eh? More like quicksand. Here it is again for all those who've missed it: ôThis is the largest amount of crap ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the rear of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited.ö Keep snipping you fools.
Kristoffer Amarr Invicta.	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:49:00 - [344] Please confirm / deny that the NC dreads that did indeed load were ordered not to siege?
Zakon Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:49:00 - [345] Requiem. Without reading anything beside sir molles post (regular CAOD bulshit more or less, nothing more then usuall probably)this time it was really pitfull. Now possibly intended as troll? U never know, but if that is not the case question to sir molle would be are u serious? Lets say u are not and your iq is normal as regular, and u are trolling to keep us all amused which i belive and hope is the case for your sake Then i thank u for a humoristic post and fun rewiew. But if u are serious, then i thank u even more this time for making a fool of your self and keep even more people amused. Calling what happened in m-o for strategy or anything close to that assumption is not even worth a comment. I m one off those that belive u cannot be that stupid and this post is intended as troll so i salute u and whole GBC with u for a great sanse off humor. keep it up
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:50:00 - [346] To whom do I need to speak about getting an alt into the GBC? I'd even settling for EXE (again). ---
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 22:57:00 - [347] Originally by: Praetor Novak Hey ~Saint you can ____ my _____. Your snip of my post is most telling CCP/Bob. You just don't want the whole EVE community to hear the truth about the relationship between CCP and Bob. Freedom of speech, eh? ôConstructive commentsö to CCP is equal to not attacking their pet corporations of Bob in public. When the concept of freewill is trampled and you've openly exhibited to the whole EVE community your heavy hand in controlling the outcomes of the sandbox you've created û people will quit playing EVE. There is a need for people to feel that their destiny is not controlled and this just isn't the case anymore. CCP controls EVE down to every detail in every outcome when it comes to their in game corporations. They cannot only not resist playing that which they've created, they cannot resist the temptation to win at any cost. The all throughout mythology gods were punished for intentionally interfering with their creations so will CCPs control of their creation. Sandbox eh? More like quicksand. Here it is again for all those who've missed it: ôThis is the largest amount of crap ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the rear of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited.ö Keep snipping you fools. Well, at least now you won't have to decide wether to quit or not.
darth raida Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:01:00 - [348] Guys, its already been decided by CCP that Bob will own all of 0.0 space. Unanchor your towers, disband your powerblocks and leave, theres nothing you can do about it.
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:03:00 - [349] Originally by: Praetor Novak Hey ~Saint you can ____ my _____. Your snip of my post is most telling CCP/Bob. You just don't want the whole EVE community to hear the truth about the relationship between CCP and Bob. Freedom of speech, eh? ôConstructive commentsö to CCP is equal to not attacking their pet corporations of Bob in public. When the concept of freewill is trampled and you've openly exhibited to the whole EVE community your heavy hand in controlling the outcomes of the sandbox you've created û people will quit playing EVE. There is a need for people to feel that their destiny is not controlled and this just isn't the case anymore. CCP controls EVE down to every detail in every outcome when it comes to their in game corporations. They cannot only not resist playing that which they've created, they cannot resist the temptation to win at any cost. The all throughout mythology gods were punished for intentionally interfering with their creations so will CCPs control of their creation. Sandbox eh? More like quicksand. Here it is again for all those who've missed it: ôThis is the largest amount of crap ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the rear of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited.ö Keep snipping you fools. NC whining about lag, too much lulz for me. Why dont you guys look in the mirror im gonna do the math for you here try to keep up. Bob 300-400 NC 700 pilots. now lets go over it again Bob 300-400 NC 700 pilots. (thats SEVEN HUNDRED pilots. you dont get to whine about lag. You dont have the right. as you were.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:04:00 - [350] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/09/2008 23:05:43 Originally by: Lord EmBra You see, you jumped in to our camp from Taisy, most of our support was in e-o but jumped into m-o when you jumped into m-o. our battleships started killing several of your Battleships and we took light losses while inflicting more on your side. Lag was not bad, just a few seconds. The your FC warps half your fleet to a point on grid over 300km from our BSs and leaves half your fleet in sniper range, ready to be massacre by us. At this time the node crash. everyone tries to lag back in, the node crash again. Now everyone gets blackscreen at character selection and when we finaly manage to get people into the system you guys are already there loaded and ready and pick us off one by one as we enter space (Those of us that manage to load, I never did...) Thats how you got into m-o in the first place and thats what led us to the current situation. But you know this so why ask? Good question. Why I do ask? Let me tell you - It is a poor general that complains about the weather after it rains, when he relises he should have acted prior to the event. For some time now, the only reasion NC existed was because anybody fighing them would get so much lag, that battles would be close to impossible unless someone could muster up close to same numbers. This was the only reason why NC even existed for as long as it did. If there was no lag, then NC would have long ago been destroyed by any number of alliances. Nobody is immune to lag, but more numbers = better chance more of your pilots have control in a lagged server. Notice the lack of whines when GBC fleets die to lag? Well, thats what makes NC whines even sweeter. You guys still do not get it that GBC have lost plenty fleets due to lag. just look at the start of the MAX campaign. Notice the lack of whines. Heck, even I lost a core-x fitted abaddon to a bunch of goons in a fleet fight long ago. I do not whine about it, insted I laugh about it. So why is it that NC whines so much? You see, your organisation is made up of counter strike kiddies who cannot comprehend that anybody is better at the game than they are. You know, the ones that always say stuff like "I have a bad ping, that why I died", "the enemy has a better computer", "he is aimbotting" etc. You want to know how to fix it? You guys need to eject your failure leaders and start giving power to competent ones - because the competent people in NC are not in charge. If you do not have the leadership skills to force a change in the status quo, then your competent people are in the wrong alliance. Even ask Fred0, all he is doing now is insted of asking his members for good idea's, he is asking them to PM him cheats so he can fight dirty. For now, the equal numbers thing is not working out for you, and throwing more cannon fodder is not going to work like it did in the past. You see, you are trying to be the first alliance in eve history to win a war defensively. Nobody ever has won a 100% defensive war, even our Delve war we spend more time attacking than defending. Again back to point, How on earth could we have ever been in a position to enter that system at all if the NC were any good? I.E Why arent we beaten back to Jita? -- Billion Isk Mission

Apolluon Gallente Aetas Inculta	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:08:00 - [351] Dear CCP: Seriously, thank you for the hard work and dedication you put into making what happens possible. Ignore the incessant whining from players who must feel neglected because they didn't make the Olympic Team for stuffing 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag. I do, however, propose that M-O be the first "double hyphen" system, and re-named to E-M-O. Also, all those tears in space would probably turn to ice, so perhaps adding one or two moderate grade belts would be in order.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:08:00 - [352] Bob win a lagged out fight? News?
Praetor Novak Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:09:00 - [353] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Well, at least now you won't have to decide wether to quit or not. LOL true! Perhaps you are right sir.
MacLuven EL Bernays School of Strategic Communication	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:09:00 - [354] Originally by: Praetor Novak Hey ~Saint you can ____ my _____. Your snip of my post is most telling CCP/Bob. You just don't want the whole EVE community to hear the truth about the relationship between CCP and Bob. Freedom of speech, eh? ôConstructive commentsö to CCP is equal to not attacking their pet corporations of Bob in public. When the concept of freewill is trampled and you've openly exhibited to the whole EVE community your heavy hand in controlling the outcomes of the sandbox you've created û people will quit playing EVE. There is a need for people to feel that their destiny is not controlled and this just isn't the case anymore. CCP controls EVE down to every detail in every outcome when it comes to their in game corporations. They cannot only not resist playing that which they've created, they cannot resist the temptation to win at any cost. The all throughout mythology gods were punished for intentionally interfering with their creations so will CCPs control of their creation. Sandbox eh? More like quicksand. Here it is again for all those who've missed it: ôThis is the largest amount of crap ever posted on CAOD. The only strategy employed in m-o these past several days was breaking normal game mechanics by overwhelming the node and occupying the grids you already knew the NC would attempt to make a move into, i.e the gates. You are the most pompous, stodgy and idiotic egomaniac in EVE. You Sir are the malignantly cancerous mole on the rear of CCP called EVE. Meta-game is your only game. The only thing Bob knows how to do is win by overwhelming the servers. You know exactly what to do to overwhelm the servers. Many NC pilots have not been able to even load their screen in m-o while they are already dead and just don't know it. Also most petitions are being denied via GM form letters. When the NC spanked you out of 15W several weeks ago you didn't see us crediting our win to strategy and chess like tactics. Actually the NC didn't blow it's trumpet much at all. When Bob and pets (new one being Tri, congrats Tri, any credibility you had is total gone now) wins it's a loss for all of EVE. All you are capable of is spouting this crap about how great your strategy is. When the truth comes out it will be the end of Bob as an alliance and of CCP's credibility as a non-biased game creator. EVE fleet battles are no longer relevant to any outcomes in EVE while they are won not on the grounds or normal game play but rather on the limitations of the servers which are intentionally exploited.ö Keep snipping you fools. <wipes tear> The glory of your posts makes me weep. Don't ever stop poasting, don't let the man keep you down. You fight, fight 'till the bitter end. Because you are the voice of the righteous. They shall sing songs to you after you're banned. And those songs shall set our hearts free! =--==--= Hi!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:11:00 - [355] Originally by: Severe Admin NC whining about lag, too much lulz for me. Why dont you guys look in the mirror im gonna do the math for you here try to keep up. Bob 300-400 NC 700 pilots. now lets go over it again Bob 300-400 NC 700 pilots. (thats SEVEN HUNDRED pilots. you dont get to whine about lag. You dont have the right. as you were. I believe his main point was that whenever BoB wins it's devsploits, and whenever the NC wins it's great tactics. The NC got surprise sexed yesterday in M-0 and Molle took the oportunity to ram the NC hypocricy down their collective throats. The NC are of course severely butt hurt by this, and we are now experiencing extreme emo-rage on the grunt-level. Most of this emo-rage seem to be coming from Morsus Mihi, an alliance normally known for their tranquil behavior and their strict no-CAOD policy. What we're seeing from their members, such as Praetor Novak here, is simply astounding. I know a certain amount of tin-foil-hattery has always been festering within the orgaization, but letting it spill out in this fashion is uncharacteristic for RAWR. If I was a director I would start doing some serious house-cleaning and then think about cultivating some other form of internal motive to keep fighting rather than this inane and almost religious belief of their own righteousness and the wickedness and down right cheating of BoB. Seriously, RAWR, it's getting silly.
Ksa Kor A0 Inc Stella Polaris.	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:12:00 - [356] Edited by: Ksa Kor on 30/09/2008 23:15:47 Bla-bla-bla we are BoBs, we are the cool strategs, NC just a dumbs... So, from you sight - if BoBs are going to the system blob it, NC must just seating and scary to do something? This is the realy deep cool tactic and strategy of this game at this moment. BUT... But where here merit BoB? It's exclusive "merit" of CCP devteam. I not so often write here, but now can't kept. I, of course, not such big and cool one as Sir Molle, and probably I must keep silince... But, at this thread, I should tell - head post of this topic is unworthy and vainglorious bosh for no reason. Too sadly.
Cyrana Bergerac nicomedes inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:13:00 - [357] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Bob win a lagged out fight? News? yep. It is so funny to see all those killed NC capitals, which have 0% activity in their battle stats while some BOB-Capitals have 40 %. It was always like that, it will most likely stay like that. Now NC guys complain, they want their ships reimbursed. No, do not do that CCP! They have to learn it the hard way.
jin ki	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:49:00 - [358] Just because they had 0 participation, does not mean they were not active. It just means they failed to kill anything.
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:55:00 - [359] I find it interesting that SiMolle feels the need to post about this. This was a BoB victory right? Why is he justifying himself? Back on Retainer. I am cheap but not easy.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.09.30 23:56:00 - [360] Originally by: Bog*it Edited by: Bog*it on 30/09/2008 17:49:16 lol Edit: Regardless of the outcome, what happened to who, who pwned who, the GBC has to least give us credit for jumping in and not 'rotating' in 15W. GF's all round. The outcome was dire but hey, the next one might swing our way. Cheers B. Why should their be credit due for defending your space? Are you also in need of a thankyou for not unanchoring your towers once hostiles showed up in Tribute? I don't mean to be mean spirited since your post isn't a flame, but I mean c'mon. you see Iron does not leech off a suger daddy (bob) to make its way through eve or define itself as an entity. -Gneeznow 2008.08.27

Cyrana Bergerac nicomedes inc.	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:03:00 - [361] Edited by: Cyrana Bergerac on 01/10/2008 00:04:46 Originally by: jin ki Just because they had 0 participation, does not mean they were not active. It just means they failed to kill anything. lol. I see the next myth coming: NC guys not only rotate all the time their ships, they also rotate their targets! That would be of course an explanation, why they killed so few GBC guys in that battle.
Athanasios Anastasiou The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:20:00 - [362] Originally by: Cyrana Bergerac Edited by: Cyrana Bergerac on 01/10/2008 00:04:46 Originally by: jin ki Just because they had 0 participation, does not mean they were not active. It just means they failed to kill anything. lol. I see the next myth coming: NC guys not only rotate all the time their ships, they also rotate their targets! That would be of course an explanation, why they killed so few GBC guys in that battle. Considering how bad NC fcs are, I don't think this is such a wild prediction.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:30:00 - [363] Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 Keyword; Strategy. We play chess in game, we plan for our opponents move, we try to pre-plan on what to do when it happens, and with different scenarios. Theres nothing we haven't seen, we seen it all, in various places, all over New Eden. Monday night was no different then other nights. We weren't actually expecting a fight.... as the night grew older, we saw that we might get one, the enemy is amassing in 15w, local goes up to 550 in 15w before the showdown while we are preparing to kill and siege a hostile tower. We get reports of 100+ hostile capitals, and people start waking up from their slumbers.... we count a total of about 7-800 hostiles... this is going to be a slugfest. We have 300-350 active pilots. The hostile tower is killed. Apart from the regulars in NC, we are seing new faces, TCF, KIA, Daisho and Rebellion has turned up, in huge numbers. Hostiles are streaming into 15w... We watch them set up, and get ready. A few key elements lets us decide what to do. They are splitting fleets, one to travel, one to jumpbridge. This is where NC et al lost the battle. Before even jumping one ship, they have already lost. The pre-planning and the strategy they have chosen will not work, regardless of numbers. The gameplan for NC is simple, jump in a boatload of people into M-O using regular gate, as a distraction to bridging people and capitals in. KIA/Daisho/TCF/Rebellion are chosen for this. On the incoming gate, all our supports are parked, and, a large t2 bubble. We also have 5 titans on standby, for various tasks. It begins. 200+ pilots jumps into M-O using the regular gate, they are slaughtered by the support fleet as they load inside the bubble. As their battleships jumps in, two titans prepares... and a hostile cyno goes off at the gate, 300km below it. Our titans are setup for 200 above it. Our supports warps to cyno, and titan decloaks and fires while second titan warps in to fire the second doomsday. Jackpot. Our support lives, while all hostile fleet, are promptly wasted. Our supports starts killing cynoes below the gate as the NC capitals jumps in at the gate. Second cyno goes up at a NC pos, and carriers are deployed to that cyno along with our battleships. NC are bridging a new boatload of fleet in, this time the NC regulars. Fights all over the system, carriers are winning their fight at the NC pos, supports are holding down the enemy capitals, and our capitals are ordered to warp to the hostile capitals.... Our battleships are sent to sniper spot above gate, to deal with any incoming remaining fleet. "Capitals, your primary is....Beastie Boy" 5 minutes pass. The node collapses and dies. M-O have 1000+ in system, and we have been fighting a good 15-30 minutes when the node crashes.... No capitals were killed before the node crash, but, NC lost the fleet that gated in, they lost the main bulk of the fleet that bridged in, and whatever is left... is 100+ capitals. The waiting game starts.. the node dies a couple of more times before it finally starts loading. It has taken the server about 2 hours to understand what it should do, and we send EVERYONE onto the gate, we will NOT stand down from this. Whoever runs first, dies horribly. After the first breathtaking 15 minutes before we get people properly loaded... its anyones guess who is going to die badly today. Its a turkeyshoot. 50+ capitals dies a agonizing death while they are trying to run away. You lost this before it even started NC. Come prepared next time. Oh molle its really a pain When you make such a strain Only from lag did you win There's no need to make spin Saying otherwise is terribly lame. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Silvia Sol SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:35:00 - [364] So I was not in this battle but I hear people waited 4-6 hours to log in front of black screen. Even though the Northern Coalition had the upper hand before the server mysteriously & strategically crashed, right as the BoBit Titan was tackled, and then a great strategy of crashing the server seemed to develop and mysteriously BOB logged back in 1st and got the upper hand. A week ago CCP rolled back the M-O system twice in one day and gave BOB back their ships, after they lost their ships in severe laag. Now the unbiased CCP, those of you with any moral or ethical considerations UNDO this unjustice so people can play this game fairly. Because of some of your employees who are playing in BOB coalition obviously have no morals and have lost a lot of $$$ for you and your company. I know over 15 people who quit playing this game because of what happened in M-O...over the years that is a lot of money, and I bet even more people are going to quit. CCP should apologize and UNDO the unjustice...
phillie blunt Live And Let Die	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:41:00 - [365] Originally by: Silvia Sol So I was not in this battle but I hear people waited 4-6 hours to log in front of black screen. Even though the Northern Coalition had the upper hand before the server mysteriously & strategically crashed, right as the BoBit Titan was tackled, and then a great strategy of crashing the server seemed to develop and mysteriously BOB logged back in 1st and got the upper hand. A week ago CCP rolled back the M-O system twice in one day and gave BOB back their ships, after they lost their ships in severe laag. Now the unbiased CCP, those of you with any moral or ethical considerations UNDO this unjustice so people can play this game fairly. Because of some of your employees who are playing in BOB coalition obviously have no morals and have lost a lot of $$$ for you and your company. I know over 15 people who quit playing this game because of what happened in M-O...over the years that is a lot of money, and I bet even more people are going to quit. CCP should apologize and UNDO the unjustice... LOL! can I have your stuff?
Torp Turner like hi	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:47:00 - [366] Edited by: Torp Turner on 01/10/2008 00:47:49 Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem Oh molle its really a pain When you make such a strain Only from lag did you win There's no need to make spin Saying otherwise is terribly lame. Your rhyme itself is a sin Your iq is running thin spend more time in the game Then looking for forum fame Then maybe some battles you will win.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:54:00 - [367] Originally by: Torp Turner Your rhyme itself is a sin Your iq is running thin spend more time in the game Then looking for forum fame Then maybe some battles you will win. So you'd like to start one of these Last time was just to please I'll play as I choose You can play your alt ruse You'll end this one on your knees. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Torp Turner like hi	Posted - 2008.10.01 00:57:00 - [368] Edited by: Torp Turner on 01/10/2008 00:57:03 Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem So you'd like to start one of these Last time was just to please I'll play as I choose You can play your alt ruse You'll end this one on your knees. If you look closeley im not an alt Its ok your iq lacks, not your fault In game i will hunt Yourself you sissy cu.. which will bring your bad rhymes to a halt.
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:06:00 - [369] You sir truely are terrible Your vulgar it is quite unbearable Lets put this post back on track But if you still wish to attack Your futile attempts will be sneerable Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:08:00 - [370] Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 Strategy Fixed that for ya

Torp Turner like hi	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:12:00 - [371] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem You sir truely are terrible Your vulgar it is quite unbearable Lets put this post back on track But if you still wish to attack Your futile attempts will be sneerable A molle thread staying on track? How longs it been since youve seen that? My guns power my words To appose me would be absurd carry on and youl endup lookin a tw@t.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:36:00 - [372] Originally by: Lord Abbadon must be pure skill killing people that can login They'll probably make a video of it too. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:49:00 - [373] Originally by: Torp Turner Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem You sir truely are terrible Your vulgar it is quite unbearable Lets put this post back on track But if you still wish to attack Your futile attempts will be sneerable A molle thread staying on track? How longs it been since youve seen that? My guns power my words To appose me would be absurd carry on and youl endup lookin a tw@t. You two are both special on a kind of special level. I'd have to say the winner for the most ridiculous line would have to go to MR Turner This was a gem that made me laugh for several seconds, before I was embarrassed for you. "My guns power my words" ___
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 01:56:00 - [374] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Torp Turner Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem You sir truely are terrible Your vulgar it is quite unbearable Lets put this post back on track But if you still wish to attack Your futile attempts will be sneerable A molle thread staying on track? How longs it been since youve seen that? My guns power my words To appose me would be absurd carry on and youl endup lookin a tw@t. You two are both special on a kind of special level. I'd have to say the winner for the most ridiculous line would have to go to MR Turner This was a gem that made me laugh for several seconds, before I was embarrassed for you. "My guns power my words" There both ******ed, i.e. probly bod alts. BOD's secert to winning!
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 02:30:00 - [375] Originally by: Buddrow Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. I see you are as stupid as you were two years ago.
gumble85 Amarr AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2008.10.01 02:34:00 - [376] LOL. The thing is that this is very suspicious with me that the node crashed and 120 BOB members happened to login first. I wonder if there was another force involved and ever since CCP has been found numerous times favouring BOB. It makes me more suspicious by the minute. I can only hope CCP have gotten out of that trend, but i know of a fair few other players that smell CCP all of this. Just my two cents. :)
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 02:37:00 - [377] Originally by: gumble85 LOL. The thing is that this is very suspicious with me that the node crashed and 120 BOB members happened to login first. I wonder if there was another force involved and ever since CCP has been found numerous times favouring BOB. It makes me more suspicious by the minute. I can only hope CCP have gotten out of that trend, but i know of a fair few other players that smell CCP all of this. Just my two cents. :) Quoted for truth! BOD's secert to winning!
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 03:06:00 - [378] Originally by: gumble85 LOL. The thing is that this is very suspicious with me that the node crashed and 120 BOB members happened to login first. I wonder if there was another force involved and ever since CCP has been found numerous times favouring BOB. It makes me more suspicious by the minute. I can only hope CCP have gotten out of that trend, but i know of a fair few other players that smell CCP all of this. Just my two cents. :) Except your FCs lied to you and we didnt log in first. There were more NC caps loaded than ours. Do you know why you lost? You brilliant FC decided to order your dreads to not siege, so you had a fleet of unsieged dreads vs our sieged dreads. You couldn't even break the tank of a single one of our dreads.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 03:56:00 - [379] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: gumble85 LOL. The thing is that this is very suspicious with me that the node crashed and 120 BOB members happened to login first. I wonder if there was another force involved and ever since CCP has been found numerous times favouring BOB. It makes me more suspicious by the minute. I can only hope CCP have gotten out of that trend, but i know of a fair few other players that smell CCP all of this. Just my two cents. :) Except your FCs lied to you and we didnt log in first. There were more NC caps loaded than ours. Do you know why you lost? You brilliant FC decided to order your dreads to not siege, so you had a fleet of unsieged dreads vs our sieged dreads. You couldn't even break the tank of a single one of our dreads. And you know this how? You got spys? Cause you know I heard you sooooo uber you don't need them? My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Tijuana Game-Over	Posted - 2008.10.01 04:07:00 - [380] Edited by: Tijuana on 01/10/2008 04:08:01 I am coining a new BoB whining term: DoD (Developer on Duty) For example: Monday night, the DoD was GM Gandalf and he activated the script that sorted logins by alliance. EDIT- That dude above me is pretty good at using the quote button ______

Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 04:10:00 - [381] Edited by: Smokie McLottapot on 01/10/2008 04:10:31 Originally by: Tijuana Edited by: Tijuana on 01/10/2008 04:08:01 I am coining a new BoB whining term: DoD (Developer on Duty) For example: Monday night, the DoD was GM Gandalf and he activated the script that sorted logins by alliance. EDIT- That dude above me is pretty good at using the quote button Why thank you. Btw the DoD also is very good at copy and paste replys and deleteing stuck petitions. Or so I hear. My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Morgana666 Caldari Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2008.10.01 04:33:00 - [382] THE TRUTH
WT Lapre Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 04:58:00 - [383] Originally by: Morgana666 THE TRUTH OMFG, that was hilarious!! Who would have thoughtà The Internet Is For P0rn song!! Great musical btw -------------------------------------------------
halp me THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.10.01 05:11:00 - [384] Edited by: halp me on 01/10/2008 05:12:09 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: gumble85 LOL. The thing is that this is very suspicious with me that the node crashed and 120 BOB members happened to login first. I wonder if there was another force involved and ever since CCP has been found numerous times favouring BOB. It makes me more suspicious by the minute. I can only hope CCP have gotten out of that trend, but i know of a fair few other players that smell CCP all of this. Just my two cents. :) Except your FCs lied to you and we didnt log in first. There were more NC caps loaded than ours. Do you know why you lost? You brilliant FC decided to order your dreads to not siege, so you had a fleet of unsieged dreads vs our sieged dreads. You couldn't even break the tank of a single one of our dreads. you have no way of backing up this statement other then what you overheard on teamspeak which unless it was u listening personally is absolutely meaningless. On top of that you have no way to know how many of the dreads on grid had loaded past the black screen. trying to turn a multiple node death absolute slaughter into a failure on one sides part is ridiculous
Niraco79 Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 05:17:00 - [385] Anyone noticed the yesterday fight in m-o? NC killed like 15-20 GBC ships.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 06:06:00 - [386] Originally by: halp me Edited by: halp me on 01/10/2008 05:12:09 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: gumble85 LOL. The thing is that this is very suspicious with me that the node crashed and 120 BOB members happened to login first. I wonder if there was another force involved and ever since CCP has been found numerous times favouring BOB. It makes me more suspicious by the minute. I can only hope CCP have gotten out of that trend, but i know of a fair few other players that smell CCP all of this. Just my two cents. :) Except your FCs lied to you and we didnt log in first. There were more NC caps loaded than ours. Do you know why you lost? You brilliant FC decided to order your dreads to not siege, so you had a fleet of unsieged dreads vs our sieged dreads. You couldn't even break the tank of a single one of our dreads. you have no way of backing up this statement other then what you overheard on teamspeak which unless it was u listening personally is absolutely meaningless. On top of that you have no way to know how many of the dreads on grid had loaded past the black screen. trying to turn a multiple node death absolute slaughter into a failure on one sides part is ridiculous Actually I talked to several MM caps pilots after the fight and they confirmed that they weren't sieged so they could be remote repped. Considering it was our FC that tanked most of their caps fleet for an hour in a sieged phoenix...
Alt Kor	Posted - 2008.10.01 06:23:00 - [387] Edited by: Alt Kor on 01/10/2008 06:23:32 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: halp me Actually I talked to several MM caps pilots after the fight and they confirmed that they weren't sieged so they could be remote repped. Considering it was our FC that tanked most of their caps fleet for an hour in a sieged phoenix... Dn who say it to you, but he is desinformed you. Command to siedge is was. But, realy - you can't siege, if all what you see is a black screen, right? P.S. Sorry for wrong char.
Mad Mackem E X O D U S	Posted - 2008.10.01 06:43:00 - [388] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Buddrow Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. I see you are as stupid as you were two years ago. You're still a class act I see gamesguy
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:16:00 - [389] Originally by: halp me you have no way of backing up this statement other then what you overheard on teamspeak which unless it was u listening personally is absolutely meaningless. On top of that you have no way to know how many of the dreads on grid had loaded past the black screen. trying to turn a multiple node death absolute slaughter into a failure on one sides part is ridiculous Actually, there are several screenshots taken during the fight from both GBC and NC sides which confirm that more NC caps were loaded than BoB caps. It's also 100% true that NC were ordered not to enter seige. They primaried a Pheonix and could not break its tank (hardly suprising given they were not in seige). In addition, different parts of the NC recieved different orders. Whilst ALL of GBC were told to get to the gate and primaries were called, the NC/KIA/TCF blob were on different voice servers recieving different orders. They could not capitalise on their numbers and the result is clear for all to see.
Misha specijalac SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:19:00 - [390] Does everyone missing the point here? NOD crash is something like natural disaster. LOGGING IN is the problem here. One side logged in and then set up for enemy to show up. If everything goes like it should be, for every 3 BOB pilots loaded there should be a 7 NC pilots LOADED TOO. Or someone thinks that side who bring more ppl to system should load second? What if NC enter the system with 200 ppl and nod crashes? Would NC load those caps first and wash away stupid BOB cap fleet who tried to blob system with shere numbers? All other is not important. If only game mechanics works even for both sides. And yes there is a lot of ppl rly making there minds about years they put into this game. And ofc they freaked out.

IllCapitan Minmatar Arcane Technologies Origin	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:27:00 - [391] Alot if whining and conspiracy theories in this thread. When the truth is simple....BoB is better than you.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:28:00 - [392] Edited by: Gamesguy on 01/10/2008 07:29:11 Originally by: Mad Mackem Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Buddrow Same Bob, Same Server, Same CCP, Same Shit. I see you are as stupid as you were two years ago. You're still a class act I see gamesguy Just telling it like how I see it. You've been in Iron long enough to know about all the bullsh*t leadership feeds its members to cover up the fact that the vast majority of them are total incompetents. EDIT: I take that back, I'm not sure if those leaders can even distinguish reality from their own propganda anymore.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:30:00 - [393] Originally by: Misha specijalac Does everyone missing the point here? NOD crash is something like natural disaster. LOGGING IN is the problem here. One side logged in and then set up for enemy to show up. If everything goes like it should be, for every 3 BOB pilots loaded there should be a 7 NC pilots LOADED TOO. Or someone thinks that side who bring more ppl to system should load second? What if NC enter the system with 200 ppl and nod crashes? Would NC load those caps first and wash away stupid BOB cap fleet who tried to blob system with shere numbers? All other is not important. If only game mechanics works even for both sides. And yes there is a lot of ppl rly making there minds about years they put into this game. And ofc they freaked out. No, noone is missing that point. Every two-bit alt and NC whiner is trying to bring up that point, so its hard to miss. The thing is, though, that the point is wrong. More NC caps loaded than GBC caps. The NC caps were ordered not to enter siege, and so failed at killing anything, while the sieged GBC caps wiped the grid. I know it's hard to accept that it was your own damned fault, but this really is the time to do it.
Misha specijalac SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:32:00 - [394] Originally by: IllCapitan Alot if whining and conspiracy theories in this thread. When the truth is simple....BoB is better than you. How better BOB is? All to none? Isnt that what happened in m-o?
Misha specijalac SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:37:00 - [395] Edited by: Misha specijalac on 01/10/2008 07:38:43 Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Misha specijalac Does everyone missing the point here? NOD crash is something like natural disaster. LOGGING IN is the problem here. One side logged in and then set up for enemy to show up. If everything goes like it should be, for every 3 BOB pilots loaded there should be a 7 NC pilots LOADED TOO. Or someone thinks that side who bring more ppl to system should load second? What if NC enter the system with 200 ppl and nod crashes? Would NC load those caps first and wash away stupid BOB cap fleet who tried to blob system with shere numbers? All other is not important. If only game mechanics works even for both sides. And yes there is a lot of ppl rly making there minds about years they put into this game. And ofc they freaked out. No, noone is missing that point. Every two-bit alt and NC whiner is trying to bring up that point, so its hard to miss. The thing is, though, that the point is wrong. More NC caps loaded than GBC caps. The NC caps were ordered not to enter siege, and so failed at killing anything, while the sieged GBC caps wiped the grid. I know it's hard to accept that it was your own damned fault, but this really is the time to do it. lol and NC caps didnt kill a single little dread? Come on! So stupid commanders manage to gather 700 stupid and blind ppl and than fail to kill anyhing! Come on again! And yes! Who can enter the siege when he is not loaded. I dare u to do this. :-)
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:42:00 - [396] Originally by: Misha specijalac lol and NC caps didnt kill a single little dread? Come on! So stupid commanders manage to gather 700 stupid and blind ppl and than fail to kill anyhing! Come on again! And yes! Who can enter the siege when he is not loaded. I dare u to do this. :-) So those magical unloaded dreads managed to lock and fire on their primary but couldn't siege due to not being loaded? Do you know what an active tank is? Dreads have an immense active tank in siege mode. Dreads also do less dps than a thorax unsieged. So what do you think happened when unsieged dreads tried to kill a sieged dread?
Kriger MASS	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:45:00 - [397] lol@NC doing the stale "BoB are cheatz0rz" rutine. Reminds me of the incident a while ago where BoB/GBC killed some RA caps in DT. Nync went on CAOD and screamed "BoBs ceatz0rz!!". People went into a brief frenzy, then suddenly got kicked in their tiny balls by the fact that RA had been able to log in during DT aswell. Nync 'forgot' to mention that. Wooooops! This is just another case of who can play the lag game the best, wins. BoB are good at it, and we all know it. Somehow controlling a random process like a memory overflow node crash to the specific benefit of BoB/GBC, is a silly accusation. .: Kriger's gfx Factory :.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:45:00 - [398] Originally by: Misha specijalac lol and NC caps didnt kill a single little dread? Come on! Like Gamesguy above me said, an unsieged dread is hard pressed to kill anything. They can't tank well either. So by ordering their dreads to remain unsieged so that they could be remote repped (a very difficult task in laggy conditions), the NC FCs managed to get their cap fleet wiped. Originally by: Misha specijalac So stupid commanders manage to gather 700 stupid and blind ppl and than fail to kill anyhing! Come on again! I'm not saying all the NC are stupid. I'm saying they have bad FCs and that they lack an understanding of game mechanics. That's what cost them the M-0 fight. Originally by: Misha specijalac And yes! Who can enter the siege when he is not loaded. I dare u to do this. :-) If they can shoot and rep, they sure as hell can enter siege. Maybe you're having a hard time reading this, so I'll make it all bold for ya: THE NC DREADS WHERE ORDERED NOT TO ENTER SIEGE.
Misha specijalac SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.10.01 07:57:00 - [399] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Misha specijalac lol and NC caps didnt kill a single little dread? Come on! Like Gamesguy above me said, an unsieged dread is hard pressed to kill anything. They can't tank well either. So by ordering their dreads to remain unsieged so that they could be remote repped (a very difficult task in laggy conditions), the NC FCs managed to get their cap fleet wiped. Originally by: Misha specijalac So stupid commanders manage to gather 700 stupid and blind ppl and than fail to kill anyhing! Come on again! I'm not saying all the NC are stupid. I'm saying they have bad FCs and that they lack an understanding of game mechanics. That's what cost them the M-0 fight. Originally by: Misha specijalac And yes! Who can enter the siege when he is not loaded. I dare u to do this. :-) If they can shoot and rep, they sure as hell can enter siege. Maybe you're having a hard time reading this, so I'll make it all bold for ya: THE NC DREADS WHERE ORDERED NOT TO ENTER SIEGE. Look I rly want to believe that everything was ok and we lost that battle. But I cant. Everything u sad is from the point that NC loaded in the same maner as BOB and that they make poor choises. Well its not true. They couldnt do a shit.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:00:00 - [400] Originally by: Misha specijalac Look I rly want to believe that everything was ok and we lost that battle. It's quite obvious that you don't, so don't go around trying to feed me that lie. Taking responsability for your own screw-up is one of the hardest things to do. The NC don't want to do it in this case. They'd rather brand about wild conspiracy theories. Originally by: Misha specijalac But I cant. Everything u sad is from the point that NC loaded in the same maner as BOB and that they make poor choises. Well its not true. They couldnt do a shit. Everything I said is true. The NC dreads where shooting. They where repping. The evidence is there. You just don't want to see it. You'd rather listen to your screw-up of an FC when he lies to you about why you failed.

Misha specijalac SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:18:00 - [401] Edited by: Misha specijalac on 01/10/2008 08:19:17 Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Misha specijalac Look I rly want to believe that everything was ok and we lost that battle. It's quite obvious that you don't, so don't go around trying to feed me that lie. Taking responsability for your own screw-up is one of the hardest things to do. The NC don't want to do it in this case. They'd rather brand about wild conspiracy theories. Originally by: Misha specijalac But I cant. Everything u sad is from the point that NC loaded in the same maner as BOB and that they make poor choises. Well its not true. They couldnt do a shit. Everything I said is true. The NC dreads where shooting. They where repping. The evidence is there. You just don't want to see it. You'd rather listen to your screw-up of an FC when he lies to you about why you failed. Evidence?!? Where is that evidence? Killboard? Whole cap fleet wiped out without killing anything, isnt that evidence of ppl who had black screen for 2.5 hours and when they loaded they were in pods? Other evidnces? NONE! (exept that u sad something about siege. Thats not an evidence). If someone have fraps of this fight... And yes I need to believe that nothing happened, just to continue playing. I never believed that something stink in this game. I believed that ppl framed bob or ccp frame bob, just to make an ultimate enemy in this game. And... now I realize that this enemy is immortal, and all u can do is to pray that u are so small for BOB. If u grow up dady will come and lag u to the death.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:25:00 - [402] "Heh, 'siege' mode eh? So what's that do?...." -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Karunel Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:33:00 - [403] I find it quite incredible that NC people are willing to place the blame for the defeat on BoBGBChaxploiting techniques when their own FCs ordered to 'place damage on everyone' and to not enter siege. I mean come on! ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:35:00 - [404] Originally by: Misha specijalac Evidence?!? Where is that evidence? Killboard? Whole cap fleet wiped out without killing anything, isnt that evidence of ppl who had black screen for 2.5 hours and when they loaded they were in pods? No, your analysis is just speculation. It's equally probable as many loaded as the GBC, but they wheren't organized, and that they didn't siege, like I told you they didn't. Originally by: Misha specijalac Other evidnces? NONE! (exept that u sad something about siege. Thats not an evidence). It's not just me who said something about siege. Ask around about it. Ask your cap FC why they where given the order not to enter siege. Originally by: Misha specijalac And yes I need to believe that nothing happened, just to continue playing. No you don't. You try to sound all melodramatic, but the truth is, you know deep down inside that you're full of shit. You won't quit over this. If you would, you would have done it long ago. Originally by: Misha specijalac I never believed that something stink in this game. I believed that ppl framed bob or ccp frame bob, just to make an ultimate enemy in this game. Yeah, right. Pretty convenient of you to say that. Originally by: Misha specijalac And... now I realize that this enemy is immortal, and all u can do is to pray that u are so small for BOB. If u grow up dady will come and lag u to the death. BoB wheren't immortal last week in M-0, or in 15W, or last year in jv1v. Nor where they immortal in any of the battles at the start of the MAX campaign, you know, where the NC chestbeat up and down CAOD about how much of a failure MAX was and how they where beating BoB in every engagement. But now, after a massive loss for the NC, the old accusations start flying again. Surely you couldn't have lost because you're incometant. It MUST be hax. Do you realise how frigging pathetic you look?
Dipluz Caldari FroZen SoulS Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:49:00 - [405] Remember NC next time, DONT jump 600 man in! what u expect that the servers will live ? ud have fought The GBC for quite some time now learn of ur failure or shutup on CAOD, you only make more enemies of your constant whining everytime you loose.
TheBigPink Pink Rabbits Of Doom	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:53:00 - [406] Originally by: Misha specijalac Evidence?!? Where is that evidence? Killboard? Whole cap fleet wiped out without killing anything, isnt that evidence of ppl who had black screen for 2.5 hours and when they loaded they were in pods? Other evidnces? NONE! (exept that u sad something about siege. Thats not an evidence). If someone have fraps of this fight... And yes I need to believe that nothing happened, just to continue playing. I never believed that something stink in this game. I believed that ppl framed bob or ccp frame bob, just to make an ultimate enemy in this game. And... now I realize that this enemy is immortal, and all u can do is to pray that u are so small for BOB. If u grow up dady will come and lag u to the death. Either you are stupid or stupid , who the f put you guys jump gazilions ships over ??? you and your fc knew from the begining that node will crash and i bet you hoped you will take avantage of the crash and not bob like happend to 15w, d7 and m-o few days ago. and btw tell your fc siege mode is gold .
Dipluz Caldari FroZen SoulS Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.10.01 08:57:00 - [407] Oh btw lets start a vote to END CCP's sales of GTCS so we can get wrid of 50% of the small kids playing eve so CAOD can be a little more grown up again!
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 09:04:00 - [408] Most people think this way: 1. I am Uber! 2. Therefore, I MUST be a member of an Uber group! 3. Therefore, WE are Uber! 4. Therefore, our FC's are Uber! 5. Therefore, we can't possibly loose fights! 6. Therefore, when we loose, our opponents MUST be BoBSploitDevHaxorz! "No-one is so blind as he who does not want to see....." ~10-15 dreads shooting our target-caller for more than an hour, and he tanked them without assistance. If even 5 of them had been in siege, he would've popped fairly fast.... We all thought he'd acquired a Super-Core-X repper.... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Heavytanker Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.10.01 09:12:00 - [409] Simple really once the node drops "FIGHT IS OVER" stay logged off till for the next few days.Nothing else will save your ships
Herm0dhr Balder's Wrath	Posted - 2008.10.01 09:15:00 - [410] Originally by: Lord WarATron Nobody is immune to lag, but more numbers = better chance more of your pilots have control in a lagged server. Notice the lack of whines when GBC fleets die to lag? Well, thats what makes NC whines even sweeter. You guys still do not get it that GBC have lost plenty fleets due to lag. just look at the start of the MAX campaign. Notice the lack of whines. Heck, even I lost a core-x fitted abaddon to a bunch of goons in a fleet fight long ago. I do not whine about it, insted I laugh about it. Rofl, comparing nodecrashes to lag, thats a good one. Can I have some of your muchrooms cuz I haven't seen anyone from NC complain about lag, infact they say it was pretty good prior to the crashes.

Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.01 09:32:00 - [411] So BOB used their uber hax to crash the server cos they were outnumbered. Then used their uber hax to log in first and kill everyone while they were logging in. Another historic Eve battle, well worth the write up.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 09:57:00 - [412] Originally by: Heavytanker Simple really once the node drops "FIGHT IS OVER" stay logged off till for the next few days.Nothing else will save your ships Lots of people with that attitude is why your former alliance, ASCN, fared so badly against BoB in those situations. Same for the NC. If you stay calm and focused, try to log in as best you can, have a unified command and control and single voice server and everyone is on the same pag, you'll probably come out on top or at least have a fighting chance. The defeatist attitudes displayed by NC and ex-ASCN in this thread are exactly why you lost the fight (well, that combined with multiple voice servers, a lack of singular direction, and flawed FC'ing). Better luck next time! ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Towelieban Minmatar Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:03:00 - [413] ooh yes since trying to log in for 4 hours is sooo much fun it pretty understandable for people to go do other things besides being frustrated by a game that's not working at that moment.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:04:00 - [414] Originally by: Towelieban ooh yes since trying to log in for 4 hours is sooo much fun it pretty understandable for people to go do other things besides being frustrated by a game that's not working at that moment. BoB managed to do it. Thats why they won the fight. Is that so hard to understand? ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Heavytanker Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:21:00 - [415] butter your just wrong. anyone who listens to ppl like butter will continue to lose many many ships. ASCN did log on after every node drop and we got the same beating as the nc got.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:40:00 - [416] Originally by: Tzrailasa Most people think this way: 1. I am Uber! 2. Therefore, I MUST be a member of an Uber group! 3. Therefore, WE are Uber! 4. Therefore, our FC's are Uber! 5. Therefore, we can't possibly loose fights! 6. Therefore, when we loose, our opponents MUST be BoBSploitDevHaxorz! "No-one is so blind as he who does not want to see....." ~10-15 dreads shooting our target-caller for more than an hour, and he tanked them without assistance. If even 5 of them had been in siege, he would've popped fairly fast.... We all thought he'd acquired a Super-Core-X repper.... And the fact that bod pilot had no problems logging back in (in-mass) after the node crash but the NC pilot only managed 10-15 at a time means nothing right? RIGHT? And the fact that most of those dreads tried to siege but got "An attempt to activeate that module is underway" means nothing right? RIGHT? The fact that not one of the killed caps tanked anything other than there standard hitpoints means they had full tanks running right? RIGHT? Anyone can destroy an inactive ship, but it takes a real group of douches to chest beat about it. For anything further, see my siggy! My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
speedek Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:41:00 - [417] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Tzrailasa Most people think this way: 1. I am Uber! 2. Therefore, I MUST be a member of an Uber group! 3. Therefore, WE are Uber! 4. Therefore, our FC's are Uber! 5. Therefore, we can't possibly loose fights! 6. Therefore, when we loose, our opponents MUST be BoBSploitDevHaxorz! "No-one is so blind as he who does not want to see....." ~10-15 dreads shooting our target-caller for more than an hour, and he tanked them without assistance. If even 5 of them had been in siege, he would've popped fairly fast.... We all thought he'd acquired a Super-Core-X repper.... And the fact that bod pilot had no problems logging back in (in-mass) after the node crash but the NC pilot only managed 10-15 at a time means nothing right? RIGHT? And the fact that most of those dreads tried to siege but got "An attempt to activeate that module is underway" means nothing right? RIGHT? The fact that not one of the killed caps tanked anything other than there standard hitpoints means they had full tanks running right? RIGHT? Anyone can destroy an inactive ship, but it takes a real group of douches to chest beat about it. For anything further, see my siggy! haha are you the one with deadspace fitted dread?
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:45:00 - [418] Originally by: Heavytanker ASCN did log on after every node drop and we got the same beating as the nc got. This is not true.... SOME ASCN pilots logged on immediately after one of the (many) node crashes during fleet fights, but the majority chose to wait a bit so they didn't die if their alliance-mates didn't go at once too. We saw it time and time again, a small group of you would log on at the same time as us, but the majority would only log in (if at all) after the fight had started. The latecomers would more often than not flee as soon as they logged in while we were busy killing the first ones... This became even more pronounced after all the BoBDevSploitHaxor stories were invented by your leadership to cover this up, which again enhanced the effect. We on the other hand were all trying to be the first one in.... TeamSpeak: "Server is accepting connections! Go!" (everyone pressed 'connect' or had already done so) I'm seeing exactly the same pattern here.... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:50:00 - [419] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Heavytanker ASCN did log on after every node drop and we got the same beating as the nc got. This is not true.... SOME ASCN pilots logged on immediately after one of the (many) node crashes during fleet fights, but the majority chose to wait a bit so they didn't die if their alliance-mates didn't go at once too. We saw it time and time again, a small group of you would log on at the same time as us, but the majority would only log in (if at all) after the fight had started. The latecomers would more often than not flee as soon as they logged in while we were busy killing the first ones... This became even more pronounced after all the BoBDevSploitHaxor stories were invented by your leadership to cover this up, which again enhanced the effect. We on the other hand were all trying to be the first one in.... TeamSpeak: "Server is accepting connections! Go!" (everyone pressed 'connect' or had already done so) I'm seeing exactly the same pattern here.... Exactly I see the same pattern too. Like then, now there are some unlucky bastards that log first and get thrashed because more BoB magically managed to log on and load first. And then some here and some there loaded, too. And guess what, they die too. Great pattern you have there.
Hulkinator Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:53:00 - [420] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti So BOB used their uber hax to crash the server cos they were outnumbered. Then used their uber hax to log in first and kill everyone while they were logging in. Another historic Eve battle, well worth the write up. Oh your tinfoil hat, mate

Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 10:58:00 - [421] Originally by: speedek Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Tzrailasa Most people think this way: 1. I am Uber! 2. Therefore, I MUST be a member of an Uber group! 3. Therefore, WE are Uber! 4. Therefore, our FC's are Uber! 5. Therefore, we can't possibly loose fights! 6. Therefore, when we loose, our opponents MUST be BoBSploitDevHaxorz! "No-one is so blind as he who does not want to see....." ~10-15 dreads shooting our target-caller for more than an hour, and he tanked them without assistance. If even 5 of them had been in siege, he would've popped fairly fast.... We all thought he'd acquired a Super-Core-X repper.... And the fact that bod pilot had no problems logging back in (in-mass) after the node crash but the NC pilot only managed 10-15 at a time means nothing right? RIGHT? And the fact that most of those dreads tried to siege but got "An attempt to activeate that module is underway" means nothing right? RIGHT? The fact that not one of the killed caps tanked anything other than there standard hitpoints means they had full tanks running right? RIGHT? Anyone can destroy an inactive ship, but it takes a real group of douches to chest beat about it. For anything further, see my siggy! haha are you the one with deadspace fitted dread? Why does everyone assume that becase I call a cheater a cheater that I must be an NC alt or lost something in this? Fact is I'm not NC in any way, nor have I ever been. Nor did I lose a damn thing in this farce of a fair game. So that that "were better than you" crap and cram it where the k-y goes. My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:02:00 - [422] After some thought, I can see the only reason for Molle to post this OP, is to attempt to gain a psychological advantage in the upcoming struggle. Anyone with half a brain, can see his for what it is, piatus twaddle.. Amazed at the amount of BoB grunts willing to defend the viewpoint, and the amount of NC willing to react to it. jees Everyone knows what the fight was, it was certainly no masterous stroke of strategy. KIA EVE Home KIA in game Public Channel "KIA" KIA are Currently recruiting active PvP minded players. Contact Imperius Blackheart
hybridundertaker Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:05:00 - [423] i just HAD TO -> EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:13:00 - [424] Originally by: Tzrailasa This is not true.... SOME ASCN pilots logged on immediately after one of the (many) node crashes during fleet fights, but the majority chose to wait a bit so they didn't die if their alliance-mates didn't go at once too. We saw it time and time again, a small group of you would log on at the same time as us, but the majority would only log in (if at all) after the fight had started. The latecomers would more often than not flee as soon as they logged in while we were busy killing the first ones... This became even more pronounced after all the BoBDevSploitHaxor stories were invented by your leadership to cover this up, which again enhanced the effect. We on the other hand were all trying to be the first one in.... TeamSpeak: "Server is accepting connections! Go!" (everyone pressed 'connect' or had already done so) I'm seeing exactly the same pattern here.... stop trying to teach idiots how to fish and just take their loot.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:13:00 - [425] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot And the fact that bod pilot had no problems logging back in (in-mass) after the node crash but the NC pilot only managed 10-15 at a time means nothing right? RIGHT? And the fact that most of those dreads tried to siege but got "An attempt to activeate that module is underway" means nothing right? RIGHT? The fact that not one of the killed caps tanked anything other than there standard hitpoints means they had full tanks running right? RIGHT? Anyone can destroy an inactive ship, but it takes a real group of douches to chest beat about it. For anything further, see my siggy! Why do you feel the need to lie like this? Are you that bitter that you just can't accept that there was no cheating involved, and that your side (yes, its obvious you're an NC alt whatever you say) just had worse organisation and FCs? You're too pathetic to even feel sorry about.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:16:00 - [426] The tears are just delicious.
Void Seller All In Enterprise	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:21:00 - [427] More tears more tears
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:29:00 - [428] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot And the fact that bod pilot had no problems logging back in (in-mass) after the node crash but the NC pilot only managed 10-15 at a time means nothing right? RIGHT? And the fact that most of those dreads tried to siege but got "An attempt to activeate that module is underway" means nothing right? RIGHT? The fact that not one of the killed caps tanked anything other than there standard hitpoints means they had full tanks running right? RIGHT? Anyone can destroy an inactive ship, but it takes a real group of douches to chest beat about it. For anything further, see my siggy! Why do you feel the need to lie like this? Are you that bitter that you just can't accept that there was no cheating involved, and that your side (yes, its obvious you're an NC alt whatever you say) just had worse organisation and FCs? You're too pathetic to even feel sorry about. Where's the lie?.....none Think what you want about who's alt I am, cause I really don't care what you think. FACTS don't lie. But I can see how uber bod is, I mean it's not like they ever been caught cheating before, 3 different times. RIGHT? My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Serrano Balthar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:30:00 - [429] who is this bod every one speak about ? -----------
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:31:00 - [430] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/10/2008 11:32:45 Originally by: Heavytanker butter your just wrong. anyone who listens to ppl like butter will continue to lose many many ships. ASCN did log on after every node drop and we got the same beating as the nc got. there comes a time when I have to accept certain people are beyond help that time is now, and that certain person is you Put an alt in the GBC and see yourself how it is done. Then perhaps you'll stop posting shit like that there are many reasons why ASCN lost (and lets be honest you never really stood a chance anyway - blaming devhax is just the easy way out, and the way that means you don't have to face up to your own failings) ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05

Calliphora Vomitoria Fear and Loathing Redux	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:34:00 - [431] Edited by: Calliphora Vomitoria on 01/10/2008 11:35:17 This sounds like the best battle in the known universe. Pitty the fool who live in the world of 2hr loading, be u turkey or, crowing loaded person. Fights won like this Mr mole .... really , who throws a pink hat at caod these days to tell us of such dribble. please, come here with a decent battle not how ur guys outnumbered people as the logged in to die horribly even though most of them would have had a much better chance if the node had lived. If this is a fight u look up to,.. then very much is lost. If this is worthy of history in eve if its only under loading times. mr mole, take the skirt off and give us a reel report about a really good fight not this crap Who layes eggs on rotting meet?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 11:50:00 - [432] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Where's the lie?.....none Originally by: Smokie McLottapot And the fact that bod pilot had no problems logging back in (in-mass) after the node crash but the NC pilot only managed 10-15 at a time means nothing right? RIGHT? Well, Smokie, this is a lie. Both sides had trouble logging in. Neither side could do it en-masse. The ones who did manage to get in where, in the case of GBC, well led and organized, and in the case of the NC, poorly led and disorganized. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot And the fact that most of those dreads tried to siege but got "An attempt to activeate that module is underway" means nothing right? RIGHT? This is another lie. The NC FC specifically ordered the dreads not to enter siege. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot The fact that not one of the killed caps tanked anything other than there standard hitpoints means they had full tanks running right? RIGHT? If you're trying to go EFT warrior on us, at least try to look at how much a dread normally tanks. Looking at damage taken in the M-0 fight, it's comparable to damage taken for any cap in any cap fight, with a few notable exceptions which are cases where dreads where fired upon during a longer time, but with less dps, leading them to be able to tank it. So, this is another lie. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Anyone can destroy an inactive ship, but it takes a real group of douches to chest beat about it. You mean like the NC did last week? Or like the RSF did after JV1V? Or any of the other fights that your side won because of lag? Originally by: Smokie McLottapot For anything further, see my siggy! Your siggy is another lie, so that makes four lies and a failed atempt at name-calling. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Think what you want about who's alt I am, cause I really don't care what you think. Good for you. I hope you realise that you're making your side (the NC) look pretty frigging stupid with all your theorycraft and tin-foil-hattery though. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot FACTS don't lie. No they don't. Too bad the facts don't support your theories. Originally by: Smokie McLottapot But I can see how uber bod is, I mean it's not like they ever been caught cheating before, 3 different times. RIGHT? We're already going through this in another thread. The basic idea is that you're frigging stupid, and you need to grow up.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:14:00 - [433] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot But I can see how uber bod is, I mean it's not like they ever been caught cheating before, 3 different times. RIGHT? We're already going through this in another thread. The basic idea is that you're frigging stupid, and you need to grow up. Had to quote this for truth! Seriously people if you think BoB are being treat unfairly you need to take a step back, if you still think they are e-mail internal affairs with your proof. If your still not happy then quit, really just quit. NC leaders its in you interests to stop this crap where it starts, motivate your troops properly without propegating this crap organise / co-ordinate and fight back.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:42:00 - [434] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 01/10/2008 12:44:35 Check the first capital kill mails. Check how many GBC dreads are on those mails. Conclude that it is the same dreads over and over again. Yes, 4-6 GBC dreads pretty much soloed your whole capital fleet. I looted about 5-6k of stront during the fight from your wrecks, because that's how long this ordeal lasted. Now look at the siege module. +625% damage.. Sooo.... Why oh why would it make a difference to siege only a few dreads that are online? Maybe because... It allows you to actually kill shit, albeit slowly! Or tank shit, like my Phoenix that tanked 10-15 of your caps for about an hour without leaving siege. Oh and @ TS spies: when I told on BoB TS that I had crashed out, you lot all rushed to primary my Phoenix character, which then got remote repped because my guys aren't morons and know how to lock a friendly cap from the scanner / friendly capital overview. So don't tell me you have the moral high ground because we happen to have access to your Teamspeak... Maybe, just maybe, we are simply better than you. Maybe the lack of strategy isn't so glaringly obvious on our side. It surely is on your side. Bringing RR BS, Capitals, trying to bridge and jump into a system where you have no POS worht it's salt. Coming in after your POS was already dead... You were out of options, you paniced and were out of ideas. You were defeated but you were and are still in denial. You are not fit to stand up to the best in this game. You can either move aside of let Darwin do his work. - -
Anax Walsinghami The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:42:00 - [435] Originally by: Serrano Balthar who is this bod every one speak about ? Band Of Developers
Rob Z0mbie	Posted - 2008.10.01 12:51:00 - [436] Edited by: Rob Z0mbie on 01/10/2008 12:51:17 \(o.0)/
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:03:00 - [437] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette A big load of crap Spin it anyway you want there buddy, we all know the truth. My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:18:00 - [438] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette A big load of crap Spin it anyway you want there buddy, we all know the truth. How 'bout you post some proof then? I'm talking about real proof. In grown-up land, accusations aren't the same as proof. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly cheated. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly recieved help from a developer. Post proof that BoB as a whole are currently recieving preferential treatment from CCP. If you are unable to provide these you need to STFU, because you're nothing but a bag of hot air. After you have provided proof of all your accusations, thus saving the community from the evil games developers, you should cancel your account and STOP PAYING YOUR MONEY TO SOMEONE JUST TO BE ABLE TO TELL HIM TO STOP CHEATING YOU, NUMBNUTS!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:22:00 - [439] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 13:24:17 let us look at the Revelation. Typical Bob pilot has all skills at lvl5. DPS = 3,630+ with siege. The Worst bob dread pilot, that is allowed to fly in a capital gang, would have Dread lvl4 so he would do 3,400dps+. Typical Nc pilot has Dread lvl 1 and other Capital Energy Turret lvl 1. Let us assume they have Lvl5 in everything else. Without Siege, DPS = 330. Thats over 10 times the DPS by having high skills and Siege. Each Gbc Dread sieged is worth over 10 NC unsieged Dreads.But wait, that was assuming NC used bob fitouts. What if we look at the non-damage mod NC fitouts? DPS = 226. So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? -- Billion Isk Mission
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:30:00 - [440] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette A big load of crap Spin it anyway you want there buddy, we all know the truth. How 'bout you post some proof then? I'm talking about real proof. In grown-up land, accusations aren't the same as proof. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly cheated. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly recieved help from a developer. Post proof that BoB as a whole are currently recieving preferential treatment from CCP. If you are unable to provide these you need to STFU, because you're nothing but a bag of hot air. After you have provided proof of all your accusations, thus saving the community from the evil games developers, you should cancel your account and STOP PAYING YOUR MONEY TO SOMEONE JUST TO BE ABLE TO TELL HIM TO STOP CHEATING YOU, NUMBNUTS! Show me where I have ever said "All of bob" or "bob as a whole".... I said bob MEMBERS...M.E.M.B.E.R.S. Once again read first, then spout your childish dribble My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy

LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:30:00 - [441] Edited by: LUKEC on 01/10/2008 13:30:52 Just to be on safe side(to remove unknowns from our little theory), let's assume NC has dread 5 skills & guns & stuff. Using no dmg mod setup it still does 320 dps(no drones), or with fully gank setup (3 dmg mods) around 530 dps. So even if they would use gank setups, had skills and would not siege, bob dread = 7 nc dreads. Also lol @ eddz, bringing RR to laghole.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:31:00 - [442] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 13:24:17 let us look at the Revelation. Typical Bob pilot has all skills at lvl5. DPS = 3,630+ with siege. The Worst bob dread pilot, that is allowed to fly in a capital gang, would have Dread lvl4 so he would do 3,400dps+. Typical Nc pilot has Dread lvl 1 and other Capital Energy Turret lvl 1. Let us assume they have Lvl5 in everything else. Without Siege, DPS = 330. Thats over 10 times the DPS by having high skills and Siege. Each Gbc Dread sieged is worth over 10 NC unsieged Dreads.But wait, that was assuming NC used bob fitouts. What if we look at the non-damage mod NC fitouts? DPS = 226. So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? And how excatly would you know what lvl skills nc pilots have? My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:32:00 - [443] Originally by: Lord WarATron let us look at the Revelation. Typical Bob pilot has all skills at lvl5. DPS = 3,630+ with siege. The Worst bob dread pilot, that is allowed to fly in a capital gang, would have Dread lvl4 so he would do 3,400dps+. Typical Nc pilot has Dread lvl 1 and other Capital Energy Turret lvl 1. Let us assume they have Lvl5 in everything else. Without Siege, DPS = 330. Thats over 10 times the DPS by having high skills and Siege. Each Gbc Dread sieged is worth over 10 NC unsieged Dreads.But wait, that was assuming NC used bob fitouts. What if we look at the non-damage mod NC fitouts? DPS = 226. So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? I think your EFT skills are uber.
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:34:00 - [444] Originally by: Lord WarATron So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? I've seen this point about some NC dreads shooting things while not in siege thrown around alot, but it just seems too much to swollow. NC posters seem to say they never loaded and thus couldn't siege... Did anyone manage to take & post a screenshot of being shot by said unsieged dreads after the crash? Or did I miss that in this megapage thread already... Otherwise it just sounds like few GBC caps got shot by something doing meaningless DPS they could easily tank -- and that could just as well be 5 BSes since you can't tell the different between the damage produced by 5 BS and 10 Dreads out of siege .
Goose Hypocrisy The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:35:00 - [445] Waratron, a bad poster or a bad troll? -clp gotta update dat sig
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:42:00 - [446] Originally by: Shadoo and that could just as well be 5 BSes since you can't tell the different between the damage produced by 5 BS and 10 Dreads out of siege . Are you being serious? I sure as hell know the difference between a dread targetting me in my overview, and a battleship. And I suck. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Levitikon Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:43:00 - [447] There were no NC battleships withi range of capital fleet during the fight. They all stayed at ze bubble.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:44:00 - [448] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Show me where I have ever said "All of bob" or "bob as a whole".... I said bob MEMBERS...M.E.M.B.E.R.S. Once again read first, then spout your childish dribble In order to keep this discussion to one thread, I have provided my reply here.
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:45:00 - [449] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Shadoo and that could just as well be 5 BSes since you can't tell the different between the damage produced by 5 BS and 10 Dreads out of siege . Are you being serious? I sure as hell know the difference between a dread targetting me in my overview, and a battleship. And I suck. Obviously you've never been in a lagfest fight on the other hand... Stuff usually shooting me isn't on any of my overviews in situations such as described here...
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:46:00 - [450] Originally by: Shadoo Obviously you've never been in a lagfest fight on the other hand... Stuff usually shooting me isn't on any of my overviews in situations such as described here... No, I've been in plenty of lagfests thanks to fighting the NC before. But actually, in M-O there really wasnt much 'lag' more that people just couldn't log in. When you did it was fine (ish).

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:46:00 - [451] Originally by: Shadoo I've seen this point about some NC dreads shooting things while not in siege thrown around alot, but it just seems too much to swollow. So you think it's easier to swallow that BoB somehow hacked the server and blocked the NC from logging in while allowing their own members to log in and load grid?
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:49:00 - [452] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Shadoo I've seen this point about some NC dreads shooting things while not in siege thrown around alot, but it just seems too much to swollow. So you think it's easier to swallow that BoB somehow hacked the server and blocked the NC from logging in while allowing their own members to log in and load grid? Did I say that? I think it's easier to accept that all NC caps were mostly blackscreened or lagged out and never went to siege because they couldn't. As to the reasons why some BoB were not -- well, in my experience whoever holds the system holds the advantage to lagged out fights. Brute forcing your way in at the last minute rarely ends well...
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:50:00 - [453] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/10/2008 13:50:53 Originally by: Shadoo Did I say that? I think it's easier to accept that all NC caps were mostly blackscreened or lagged out and never went to siege because they couldn't. No, NC dreads were ordered not to enter siege so they could be remote repped and wait for more people to log in, thats been confirmed not just by BoB spies etc, but by NC cap pilots themselves. There is no need for tinfoil around the subject. edit: unfortunate spelling error
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:54:00 - [454] Originally by: Butter Dog thats been confirmed not just by BoB spies etc, but by NC cap pilots themselves. There is no need for tinfoil around the subject. You forgive me if I don't take "our spies told our FC that they've been ordered not to siege and he said this afterwards on TS, thus I'm writing it here" at face value. I was merely asking for confirmation on the subject as I've not seen it before, thus link to said NC cap pilot post or screenshot of someone taking dmg from a dread was what I was after to finally put my mind at rest :).
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 13:59:00 - [455] @ Shadoo: look at lossmail of AJ Regard for example. Now you can conclude: 1. at least 1 dread was able to siege (it was using guns after all) 2. it didn't siege / pilot is r*** - no sieged dread bother with falcons and it wasn't drone aggro but lock on it - it was using guns on it I know this is quite poor evidence, because this dread could disobey siege order(or being R*** and have all his stront splitted / in cans) but considering Rick M tanked capital fleet, the order to siege probably didn't came at all or everyone just tried to bail - in TVN like 30 hostile caps managed to bail. Would love to get TS recording though.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:04:00 - [456] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 01/10/2008 14:01:25 @ Shadoo: look at lossmail of AJ Regard for example. Now you can conclude: 1. at least 1 dread was able to siege (it was using guns after all) 2. it didn't siege / pilot is r*** - no sieged dread bother with falcons and it wasn't drone aggro but lock on it - it was using guns on it I know this is quite poor evidence, because this dread could disobey siege order(or being R*** and have all his stront splitted / in cans) but considering Rick M tanked capital fleet, the order to siege probably didn't came at all or everyone just tried to bail - in TVN like 30 hostile caps managed to bail. Would love to get TS recording though. Waiting for NC to confirm no siege order - they will insist on lagsploitdevhaxlowerIDloginorder because nobody will ever confirm own incompetence. Good point there buddy. But 1 dread being able to fire doesn't really prove anything.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:13:00 - [457] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot *** Let's not twist facts: that dread did fire it's guns that dread did not siege (obviously it would nuke that falcon if he would hit it while sieged) that dread would have dps of 7 dreads if he would siege, which is nearly enough to break sieged dread tank(apart from non lagged phoenix) Now ofcourse, you can insist on your story that this dread is exception. Then look at trannik's broadsword loss - 4 carriers using fighters => 3 carriers locking and using fighters? NC wasn't so lagged out as you would like to show in your tinfoilhattery. ps. this is last response to obvious troll.
Huan Hunglong Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:14:00 - [458] Dear NC, Molle can claim it was superior stratergy, but its more simple than that. Your FC's failed you. That made numerous errors, which resulted in the failure of your fleet. You can throw up 1001 other excuses, but when crunch comes to crunch, your Command failed you. They failed you, and yet youll still probably blindly follow them into battle again. Perhaps its time to start asking yourself why it is you place your hard earnt ISK (Ships) in the hands of these people.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:19:00 - [459] Originally by: Niraco79 Originally by: Heavytanker Simple really once the node drops "FIGHT IS OVER" stay logged off till for the next few days.Nothing else will save your ships YEAH THAT SAVED THE 110 BS THEY LOST NEXT DAY! omg keep them logged off, in fact do not play eve. While conventional fleet is harder to get out in one piece, capital ships are very easy to cyno out. So yeah, keep the propaganda going.
Estri Hadrath	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:23:00 - [460] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly cheated. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly recieved help from a developer. just read last paragraph of history.

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:28:00 - [461] Originally by: Estri Hadrath just read last paragraph of history. Let's quote it here for everyone to see: Originally by: EVEWiki During most of BoB's lifetime rumours of cheating and excessive use of exploits has circulated around the eve-community. It is however only in recent days that proof of any wrongdoings has been found. Most notable still is the t20-incident, in which one of CCP's employees aided BoB with the use of developer tools for a long time. The t20-incident along with other incidents have cast a shadow over everything BoB has accomplished in EvE and are thought to be a major factor in the creation of the 'Coalition' of Northern and South Eastern alliances against them. First point: This is a wiki, which means that anyone get to write on it. Second point: It talks about T20, which is not the proof I was asking for. Third point: It speaks about "casting a shadow on everything BoB does" which is not the same as proof. So, once again: Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly cheated. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly recieved help from a developer.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:33:00 - [462] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Smokie McLottapot *** Let's not twist facts: that dread did fire it's guns that dread did not siege (obviously it would nuke that falcon if he would hit it while sieged) that dread would have dps of 7 dreads if he would siege, which is nearly enough to break sieged dread tank(apart from non lagged phoenix) Now ofcourse, you can insist on your story that this dread is exception. Then look at trannik's broadsword loss - 4 carriers using fighters => 3 carriers locking and using fighters? NC wasn't so lagged out as you would like to show in your tinfoilhattery. ps. this is last response to obvious troll. - The first NC Revelation was dead at 22.08 and from that time they kept dropping like 1 every 5 minutes - Trannik died at 23.44 - AJ Regard died at 23.59 So the NC wasn't able to do much for about 2 hours. The tinfoilhattery is coming from your side.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:36:00 - [463] I believe boB is cheating so I suggest all the NC abandons all stations and POSes and move to Jita because you simply cannot win.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:42:00 - [464] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 01/10/2008 14:42:18 Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 13:24:17 let us look at the Revelation. Typical Bob pilot has all skills at lvl5. DPS = 3,630+ with siege. The Worst bob dread pilot, that is allowed to fly in a capital gang, would have Dread lvl4 so he would do 3,400dps+. Typical Nc pilot has Dread lvl 1 and other Capital Energy Turret lvl 1. Let us assume they have Lvl5 in everything else. Without Siege, DPS = 330. Thats over 10 times the DPS by having high skills and Siege. Each Gbc Dread sieged is worth over 10 NC unsieged Dreads.But wait, that was assuming NC used bob fitouts. What if we look at the non-damage mod NC fitouts? DPS = 226. So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? And how excatly would you know what lvl skills nc pilots have? When you are talking an order of magnitude difference you don't care about a few percent. A non siege-mode Dreadnought may as well not have any guns fitted for the dps it puts out. Of course it would be nice for those involved to come here and fess up if they really didnÆt use siege mode, at least save CAOD from being showered in yet more tinfoil... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:47:00 - [465] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 14:48:55 Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 13:24:17 let us look at the Revelation. Typical Bob pilot has all skills at lvl5. DPS = 3,630+ with siege. The Worst bob dread pilot, that is allowed to fly in a capital gang, would have Dread lvl4 so he would do 3,400dps+. Typical Nc pilot has Dread lvl 1 and other Capital Energy Turret lvl 1. Let us assume they have Lvl5 in everything else. Without Siege, DPS = 330. Thats over 10 times the DPS by having high skills and Siege. Each Gbc Dread sieged is worth over 10 NC unsieged Dreads.But wait, that was assuming NC used bob fitouts. What if we look at the non-damage mod NC fitouts? DPS = 226. So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? And how excatly would you know what lvl skills nc pilots have? Because I asked them. Most NC dread pilots I have spoken to do not have above lvl 1 in capital turret and lvl 1 dread. The reason is simple - they dont care about stuff like that when all they are using it for is shooting pos once in a while. They are not equipped for Capital Warfare, since they rely upon the great unwashed horde rather than any battle tactics. We even have killmails from recently where NC dreadpilots are fitting Arbalest Siege launchers to their dreads because they do not have the skills to use Capital versions! However, even if you assume everybody has lvl4 skills, it still works out to be a level of DPS that is very easaly tankable outside of siege. -- Billion Isk Mission
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:49:00 - [466] Edited by: Butter Dog on 01/10/2008 14:50:13 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam - The first NC Revelation was dead at 22.08 and from that time they kept dropping like 1 every 5 minutes - Trannik died at 23.44 - AJ Regard died at 23.59 So the NC wasn't able to do much for about 2 hours. The tinfoilhattery is coming from your side. they probably weren't helped by the fact that the NC capitals primaried Rick M's seiged pheonix for an hour... let me spell out to you why you and the NC failed, since you clearly don't get it 1) You brought 700 to a system which already had 450 people in... and you expect the node to work? 2) You decided to jump in after the MM pos had already been killed, why not before? Why did you not hotdrop their seiged dreads when they were on the tower? Why bother coming in at all when the tower was already dead? What were you hoping to achieve? 3) You brought a mixture of RR BS, Sniper BS, and hundreds of crappy support ships which did nothing but add to the node crash... and had them all on different voice servers. It was always going to be a complete mess. 4) There was no coherent strategy to get into the system, linked to point 2 since there was no actual goal anymore. There was no unified command structure and wildy different gangs blobbed together into a bizarre 'fleet'. Some used gates, some didn't, capitals cyno'd in at a gate for no obvious reason, etc 5) There were no functional deathstar POS for NC forces to base from. BoB had fully armed, manned, and operational deathstars they could fall back to and safely regroup at when needed - you didn't. 6) When the node crashed, BoB/GBC single voice server advantage and leadership shone through. They had clear orders of when to log back in the second the server came back up. NC/TCF etc were all on different voice servers, all pretty much wondering what they should do when they got back in. You were in a mess with your oddly setup 'fleet' of randomness, whilst GBC were efficient and organised. 7) When the capitals started loading, GBC caps were told to enter siege and primaries were called. NC forces did not enter siege and tried killing a seiged dread. You can go on all you like about sploits, devhax, black magic or whatever other crap you want to spew. At the end of the day you were poorly organised, badly led, made stupid mistakes, and you paid the price. Grow up, accept it, get better, and learn from the experience. Or you can carry on shitposting and refuse to accept what everyone else can see - you lost because the GBC were just better than you. This time. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:50:00 - [467] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 14:48:08 Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 13:24:17 let us look at the Revelation. Typical Bob pilot has all skills at lvl5. DPS = 3,630+ with siege. The Worst bob dread pilot, that is allowed to fly in a capital gang, would have Dread lvl4 so he would do 3,400dps+. Typical Nc pilot has Dread lvl 1 and other Capital Energy Turret lvl 1. Let us assume they have Lvl5 in everything else. Without Siege, DPS = 330. Thats over 10 times the DPS by having high skills and Siege. Each Gbc Dread sieged is worth over 10 NC unsieged Dreads.But wait, that was assuming NC used bob fitouts. What if we look at the non-damage mod NC fitouts? DPS = 226. So While most NC pilots were doing the damage output of a assault frig, each GBC Dread was doing 15-16 times more DPS. Does that answer the question as to why NC Whiners got their asses handed to them? And how excatly would you know what lvl skills nc pilots have? Because I asked them. Most NC dread pilots I have spoken to do not have above lvl 1 in capital turret and lvl 1 dread. The reason is simple - they dont care about stuff like that when all they are using it for is shooting pos once in a while. Well, I asked some BoB pilots too and they told me only morrons would train capital weapons at 5.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.01 14:54:00 - [468] If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that.
RenegadeRacer Render's Rat Race	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:00:00 - [469] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. i think i do too...because who would wait another 8 hours for the opposition to load the grid or log in??? are you the sort who thinks everyone should stand in line and march out into open fields toward eachother?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:06:00 - [470] Originally by: RenegadeRacer Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. i think i do too...because who would wait another 8 hours for the opposition to load the grid or log in??? are you the sort who thinks everyone should stand in line and march out into open fields toward eachother? If you want a fight, then yes of course.

Mistmare D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:14:00 - [471] gg .
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:15:00 - [472] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Estri Hadrath just read last paragraph of history. Let's quote it here for everyone to see: Originally by: EVEWiki During most of BoB's lifetime rumours of cheating and excessive use of exploits has circulated around the eve-community. It is however only in recent days that proof of any wrongdoings has been found. Most notable still is the t20-incident, in which one of CCP's employees aided BoB with the use of developer tools for a long time. The t20-incident along with other incidents have cast a shadow over everything BoB has accomplished in EvE and are thought to be a major factor in the creation of the 'Coalition' of Northern and South Eastern alliances against them. First point: This is a wiki, which means that anyone get to write on it. Second point: It talks about T20, which is not the proof I was asking for. Third point: It speaks about "casting a shadow on everything BoB does" which is not the same as proof. So, once again: Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly cheated. Post proof that BoB as a whole has ever knowingly recieved help from a developer. Once again since you emo-rage-quit our tq convo Noone has said bob as a whole did anything wrong, if fact the only person that said anything about bob as a whole was you. What was said was, (and I'm still sticking by this) is: Knowing the history of bob MEMBERS, this all seems a bit fishy. Now have your mom bring you some cookies so you'll feel better and stop emo'ing, others of us that don't live in a basement have to go to work. My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! BOD's Strategy to winning! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:28:00 - [473] Why don't you let your grandmother rest instead of trying to get her to bake cookies.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:29:00 - [474] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Well, I asked some BoB pilots too and they told me only morrons would train capital weapons at 5. Once you get to 40-50m SP on your cap pilot, there really isn't anything else to train but L5 of the cap skills..... There's no real point of cross-training into smaller ships as most cap pilots have multiple accounts, so what else to train? I could once have forsworn that I'd train skills of that rank to 5, but here I am, training L5 of JDC on my cap alt. Next ones scheduled are the dread damage and stront skills... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:29:00 - [475] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. I donÆt think BoB members want a fight, they want to keeeeeel
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:32:00 - [476] What an e-peen post. I lol'ed. And yeah yeah, superior strategy Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:33:00 - [477] i got the idea from wizard401 in jumpgate fair fights are for wussies
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:37:00 - [478] Originally by: Homo Erectus i got the idea from wizard401 in jumpgate fair fights are for wussies And winning unfair fights make you truly epic.
Homo Erectus Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:40:00 - [479] i was born epic
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:48:00 - [480] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. It's called Payback. The truth will set you free

Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:49:00 - [481] Hmmm this is a weird thing to do but my fingers are almost autotyping.... stooooooop!! But i agree with some of the points bitter dog has put up.... not all of them but some of them at least. Yes some seriously errors of judgement were made, bridging into the gate being one of them. But even in saying that I had my cloaking alt on the gate when it all kicked off and after the initial DD the sheer numbers of those coming in would have overwhelmed the GBC support on the gate and given us the bridgehead i think the FC's were hoping for. At this point the game was very very playable... But then the GBC caps warped in... our's were given the jump order and everything went pear shaped. I have seen the screenshot from another thread 'proving' NC and friends caps on the field. My name is sitting there right in the middle of the overview list but I can 100% guarantee you my client did not load in over 2 hours of trying. One of my corp mates lost his dread at 1203, but we also know 100% he logged at 1100... go figure that one. Of course the standard CCP response is a cut and paste 'we can't see anything wrong on our logs yadda yadda bla bla go f*** yourself but don't forget to send your cash at the end of the month. This is not the first time it's happened and i personally have been on the other side... no where near the same degree as this.... but nevertheless where GBC ships were just sitting there in a turkey shoot. But let me tell you one subtle difference.... the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. You also didn't get was the bobbutthuggers association kind of remarks that the NC seem to attract. Well y'all know what i have two fat cheeks attached to my lower spine, feel free to pucker up and plant one on either 'cause this aint over just yet!! To bastardise completely a really good quote : 'The NC is coming! You tell them were coming . . . and Hell's coming with us! You hear?! Hell's coming with us! (and don't go gettin all nutty on me... it's a tongue in cheek kinda quote)
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 15:54:00 - [482] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Well, I asked some BoB pilots too and they told me only morrons would train capital weapons at 5. Once you get to 40-50m SP on your cap pilot, there really isn't anything else to train but L5 of the cap skills..... There's no real point of cross-training into smaller ships as most cap pilots have multiple accounts, so what else to train? I could once have forsworn that I'd train skills of that rank to 5, but here I am, training L5 of JDC on my cap alt. Next ones scheduled are the dread damage and stront skills... I have no doubt that there are people who specialize their accounts into very heavy training skills. Claiming BoB is uber and the others sucks, all basing from EFT and rumours is just plain rubbish.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:02:00 - [483] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. It's called Payback. Ah good old Metal Dude, I know you like a fight, wouldn't it have been better to beat them in a fight.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:11:00 - [484] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. So you think we should just let NC kill our pos coming out of reinforced in a couple of hours?
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:17:00 - [485] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If BOB always thought they could win then why didnt they let NC log back in and have a proper fight? I know the answer to that. It's called Payback. Ah good old Metal Dude, I know you like a fight, wouldn't it have been better to beat them in a fight. Sure dude. But that will not happen in this game with these numbers and since NC would shoot us like turkeys if they got the chance, we are just returning the favor from few weeks ago. The truth will set you free
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:37:00 - [486] Originally by: Heptameron the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. if you think about that, you'll see its not a charitable act... there is a reason for it ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Siris Gallente Exuberant	Posted - 2008.10.01 16:39:00 - [487] Originally by: Tzrailasa ~10-15 dreads shooting our target-caller for more than an hour, Enough. List of names please.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:33:00 - [488] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Heptameron the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. if you think about that, you'll see its not a charitable act... there is a reason for it That's your assumption... not one based on fact and being there at the time. Beleive it or not (just for once take my word for it), personally I don't give a rats rear, i was there and more than a couple of the NC felt a wee bit guilty about shooting stuff that could not shoot back and the FC decided not to shoot pods and let them leave eventually with a semblance of pride intact. That my friend earned that FC a lot of respect from me.... don't expect it from anyone else but hey, it's only a game right?
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:33:00 - [489] ..Curious...
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:41:00 - [490] Originally by: emf As a dread pilot if I heard the FC command to not enter siege during a battle like this I'd get the hell out of that alliance as soon as possible. It's like ordering carriers to deploy heavy drones instead of fighters so that there would be more spares. damn you guys don't like to look at a complete picture huh?? So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. As for your heavy drone comment, well shaft me with a large blunt object if that's not the stupidest analogy i've heard since comparing molle to an ancient chinese warlord with tactical ability. But then you do come from a 10 man corp, and have 220 kills to your name....

Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:43:00 - [491] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 01/10/2008 17:46:13 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Well, I asked some BoB pilots too and they told me only morrons would train capital weapons at 5. Once you get to 40-50m SP on your cap pilot, there really isn't anything else to train but L5 of the cap skills..... There's no real point of cross-training into smaller ships as most cap pilots have multiple accounts, so what else to train? I could once have forsworn that I'd train skills of that rank to 5, but here I am, training L5 of JDC on my cap alt. Next ones scheduled are the dread damage and stront skills... I have no doubt that there are people who specialize their accounts into very heavy training skills. Claiming BoB is uber and the others sucks, all basing from EFT and rumours is just plain rubbish. Given that we already have killmails recently from NC dreads who fited t1 Siege launchers to their dreads, it does make your comments look rather daft. Difference is that every dread pilot in gbc knows that every other one has a minimum standard of all capital pilots. In NC, people are putting in t1 bs weapons on their dreads ffs. No its nothing to do with skills according to you. So someone stating that siege mode vs non siege mode is just EFT rubbish? You know, if only I could give you an example of real world pvp where Sieged dreads fought unsieged dreads, then that would answer the question. Oh Wait...... -- Billion Isk Mission
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:44:00 - [492] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: emf As a dread pilot if I heard the FC command to not enter siege during a battle like this I'd get the hell out of that alliance as soon as possible. It's like ordering carriers to deploy heavy drones instead of fighters so that there would be more spares. damn you guys don't like to look at a complete picture huh?? So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. As for your heavy drone comment, well shaft me with a large blunt object if that's not the stupidest analogy i've heard since comparing molle to an ancient chinese warlord with tactical ability. But then you do come from a 10 man corp, and have 220 kills to your name.... i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :)
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:45:00 - [493] So you guys were making up your mind for hours? Sorry, gonna have to side with bob on that. It's just such a bad call it's not even funny. Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:45:00 - [494] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: emf As a dread pilot if I heard the FC command to not enter siege during a battle like this I'd get the hell out of that alliance as soon as possible. It's like ordering carriers to deploy heavy drones instead of fighters so that there would be more spares. damn you guys don't like to look at a complete picture huh?? So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. As for your heavy drone comment, well shaft me with a large blunt object if that's not the stupidest analogy i've heard since comparing molle to an ancient chinese warlord with tactical ability. But then you do come from a 10 man corp, and have 220 kills to your name.... i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:50:00 - [495] Originally by: Lord WarATron So someone stating that siege mode vs non siege mode is just EFT rubbish? You know, if only I could give you an example of real world pvp where Sieged dreads fought unsieged dreads, then that would answer the question. Oh Wait...... I see you're still thick. I'll come down to your level and spell it out. Plain rubbish is opening EFT, selecting the "All Level V", loading a Revelation setup and stating than this is the standard profile for all the Bob dread pilots, while in the mean time loading an Enyo on an empty caracter and comparing it to them most common NC dread pilot profile. That's rubbish and you're full of it.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 17:58:00 - [496] Originally by: emf So you guys were making up your mind for hours? Sorry, gonna have to side with bob on that. It's just such a bad call it's not even funny. no... we were trying to log in for hours (you obviously didn't think about what you were typing before posting huh?). Now run along and polish molles mirophone for him will you? You've obviously got a bob fetish going on and nothing like a good lackey to make sure the knob on the end is nice and shiny.
Sarah Lothian	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:01:00 - [497] Edited by: Sarah Lothian on 01/10/2008 18:01:26 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: O Thief i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. http://www.killboard.net/details/279960/ I see your basing your responses on well researched evidence and detailed knowledge of the particulars.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:14:00 - [498] Originally by: Sarah Lothian Edited by: Sarah Lothian on 01/10/2008 18:01:26 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: O Thief i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. http://www.killboard.net/details/279960/ I see your basing your responses on well researched evidence and detailed knowledge of the particulars. detailed as in being there? and knowledge as in knowing killboards don't represent actual, true statement of events? Hell yea! That's one huge fight that we lost.... wanna get all historical on me and look at the 2/3 weeks previous and see who had the best 'stats; according to the so called accurate killboards?? Or maybe you're just content to use them to your advantage when it suits you? I base my statement on BEING THERE, not like half the cowards in COAD who throw pebbles from the sidelines, too afraid to put their rears on the line in a real fight (kudos to our opponents for that at least :p) ... it was an admitted turkey shoot and hey, whats done is done... i'm still not hearing the fat lady singin though.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:28:00 - [499] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Lord WarATron So someone stating that siege mode vs non siege mode is just EFT rubbish? You know, if only I could give you an example of real world pvp where Sieged dreads fought unsieged dreads, then that would answer the question. Oh Wait...... I see you're still thick. I'll come down to your level and spell it out. Plain rubbish is opening EFT, selecting the "All Level V", loading a Revelation setup and stating than this is the standard profile for all the Bob dread pilots, while in the mean time loading an Enyo on an empty caracter and comparing it to them most common NC dread pilot profile. That's rubbish and you're full of it. I think its funny that you call people thick, yet you compleatly miss the reality of siged dreads wtfpwning unsieged dreads. EFT will tell you this. Real world pvp will tell you this. Any capital pilot worth his salt will tell you this. So tell me, if stating the obvious make me thick, then what would that make you? Now, the NC people I have been speaking to, barely have Dread or capital weapon above lvl1 or 2. Looking at killmails, some are using t1 Battleship weapons on dreads! But its easier to blaim JuJu/Witchcraft/Black Magic/Hax/Cheats/Eft/Bribes and Exploits that it is to use Braincells. -- Billion Isk Mission
cheese monkey KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:30:00 - [500] oh molle. interesting how you are the only one that could see what was going on in that lag fest enough to report on it.... nah im not really a conspiricy theorist n all that balls. But i was there with a few accounts, at the pos and at the gate and tbh this really wasnt how it went down! sorry, nice imagination tho, you should be a writer!

Bargnar Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:33:00 - [501] Originally by: Heptameron check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. So err... BOB decided to rather use 30 players to kill your capitals within hours rather than using all the 180 players that actually were there, fully loaded, not stuck on "entering game"-screen ?
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:35:00 - [502] Originally by: Lord WarATron Now, the NC people I have been speaking to, barely have Dread or capital weapon above lvl1 or 2. Looking at killmails, some are using t1 Battleship weapons on dreads! According to my lossmail I didn't have any fitting at all! omgnoobwtfzor Also, t2 and faction kit makes you log in faster eh, thats the trick :P
Karunel Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:42:00 - [503] Quote: So you have a fleet of 100+ caps, only 4 of which (and that's an exact number of those who could activate modules) in varying states of logging in, inability to log in bla bla bla. No support as such etc etc and you want those dreads to drop seige and be absolutely unable to move? The FC made a judgement call based on the pawns he had to play with. In this case it was very very few and decided to see if more caps could join the fray before entering seige. Unfortunately for us not many did which limited his options severely. Well good to see that someone has the guts to admit it, I expect all the conspiracy theories will end now (?). It's somewhat perplexing that an entity with such long history would take a decision like that though, I'm not saying this as a tinly veiled pun but for a FC to order it's dreads to not enter siege when you're seeing the other side hitting you hard (ie: in siege) the overall confidence in your side must be not-so-high. Don't mean to come acrosss as smacky specially with you as you seem a nice bloke but that's what it seems really... to me at least! Back to WAR. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:45:00 - [504] Originally by: Bargnar Originally by: Heptameron check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. So err... BOB decided to rather use 30 players to kill your capitals within hours rather than using all the 180 players that actually were there, fully loaded, not stuck on "entering game"-screen ? hang on... read...nope....reading a little more still nope... can't see in any of my posts where i made the statement they were logged in, fully loaded and not stuck. Both Fc's would have had to make a call based on how many they knew were active on their own side and what they can see is in local for the opposition. BoB however do have spies on our TS and afaik we didn't on ze bob side. So whereas we knew what we had, the GBC knew what they had and, based on our TS chat, what we had (confused yet?) and made a call (lolling at that, some might say that call was to CCP and not a judgement one as intended :p). So going back a post or 2, we had to assume they had more than the few they used to take out our caps based on local count alone... get the picture?
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.10.01 18:58:00 - [505] NfC tear's are great to see.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:27:00 - [506] Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 01/10/2008 19:28:11 It appears over the last three days that NC has lost a total of 821 total ships to Bob's 84 ships. Even if you doubled Bob's numbers you would still come up with a very lopsided conflict. What is in that system? A Dyprosium moon?
Barbaro55a Caldari Hangover Heros.	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:37:00 - [507] Originally by: Fitz VonHeise What is in that system? A Dyprosium moon? Molle's Ice mining alt.
Sasha Lyre Gallente Blood Music	Posted - 2008.10.01 19:50:00 - [508] Congratz again to bob and their superior tactics. Tactics win every time, especially ones that are sponsored by CCP and their employees. Every single time, every one of them: That there has been a node crash, bob has always been able to log in huge volumes of their players before the enemy, any enemy and every enemy. The reason ? Because they have a character screen open and ready, thats the bs reason. The real reason ? Tactics... Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins
WETRAIN Minmatar R.U.S.T. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:08:00 - [509] i am really sure someone at CCP is controling the login`s of ALL gbc pilots in M-0 and HELPING THEM, ALL AT THE SAME TIME! to KILL some stupid ships! OFC! I BELIEVE THAT! I REALLY DO. wtf.. your **ing stupid blob didnt **ing work against TRI when we was in TVN- why do you think it would work againts BoB? just do as fred0 said, surrender, wait it out in empire, attack the new inhabitants after bob leaver, problem solved. Simple as that. CAOD IS EPIC FAIL! RUST IS RECRUITING!
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:12:00 - [510] Edited by: Moonlight Express on 01/10/2008 20:15:20 Originally by: Sasha Lyre Congratz again to bob and their superior tactics. Tactics win every time, especially ones that are sponsored by CCP and their employees. Every single time, every one of them: That there has been a node crash, bob has always been able to log in huge volumes of their players before the enemy, any enemy and every enemy. The reason ? Because they have a character screen open and ready, thats the bs reason. The real reason ? Tactics... Some people are so brain washed it really is pointless, but at least it shows that propaganda does work on the weak minded.

Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:33:00 - [511] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Sarah Lothian Edited by: Sarah Lothian on 01/10/2008 18:01:26 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: O Thief i cba to check the killboard now but I'm pretty sure BoB only had 4 dreads active for the first 'x' hours of the fight... but they sieged and killed lots of unseiged NC dreads with them :) check how many BS and support they had as well, around the 180 ish mark if my rather old and pickled memory serves me right. http://www.killboard.net/details/279960/ I see your basing your responses on well researched evidence and detailed knowledge of the particulars. detailed as in being there? and knowledge as in knowing killboards don't represent actual, true statement of events? Hell yea! That's one huge fight that we lost.... wanna get all historical on me and look at the 2/3 weeks previous and see who had the best 'stats; according to the so called accurate killboards?? Or maybe you're just content to use them to your advantage when it suits you? I base my statement on BEING THERE, not like half the cowards in COAD who throw pebbles from the sidelines, too afraid to put their rears on the line in a real fight (kudos to our opponents for that at least :p) ... it was an admitted turkey shoot and hey, whats done is done... i'm still not hearing the fat lady singin though. Sorry, I would post something coherent, because I was there and tanked your unsieged dreads and ordered our peeps around. But I simply cannot because every time I read this thread I go into an outburst of laughter over your stupidity, ignorance and thickness. Get out of 0.0 space, you don't deserve it. Stop blaming the game, us, CCP and the weather. Look in the mirror for a change. You got owned because we kept it simple, calm and clear. You died because you spent hours waiting for something that wasn't going to happen and you aren't able to think on your feet. I advice your coalition to team up for level 5s in empire, you only have to figure those missions out once and then you can do them over and over. Seems more fitting for the level of flexibility of your commanders. - -
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:35:00 - [512] thanks NC, you've convinced me to come back and play a bit again. Now, where did i put that passive targeter setup megathron of mine again... [center] Old blog
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:36:00 - [513] Originally by: Rod Blaine Now, where did i put that passive targeter setup megathron of mine again... Oh I think you gave it to me, along with that Sabre BPO... -- Billion Isk Mission
BlueMajere Caldari Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:49:00 - [514] 18th page in srs bsns molle thread iwin something?
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:53:00 - [515] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Rod Blaine Now, where did i put that passive targeter setup megathron of mine again... Oh I think you gave it to me, along with that Sabre BPO... I got all your ammo needs covered! just like we did it when we were in CA :P
Yggdrassil Amarrian Missionaires	Posted - 2008.10.01 20:54:00 - [516] Can't help but wonder if this has something to do with whom is able to load and who isn't after a node crash - but... I own a few accounts, with "ages" differing from beta to a year or two after start. Sometimes when I log on several accounts, say 3 of them, this is what sometimes happens (and logging in in same order as stated below, and in same solar system): Account 1, old: log directly in Account 2, young, cued for login Account 3, old: log directly in Wait a min or two, and account 2 is able to log in. Possibly/probably just seems like it - but it seems to be happening pretty regularly whenever there's login cues. _______________________________ __ __ l l_l l l _ AVE A NICE l__l l__l ___ l ' . l D i l.___, 'AY _______________________________ Yggdrassil
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 21:01:00 - [517] Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 01/10/2008 21:01:39 Originally by: Heptameron Both Fc's would have had to make a call based on how many they knew were active on their own side and what they can see is in local for the opposition. Wrong wrong wrong wrong FAIL. The entire point that you've missed about what we do is that after a nodecrash our FCs DON'T wait to find out what the enemy has online before giving their orders. If we were ordered to engage before the nodecrash, then we're damn well going to engage after it, and that's final, so EVERYBODY logs in, EVERYBODY waits out the blackscreen and doesn't ***** away, and EVERYBODY sieges as soon as they can shoot. NC waited and procrastinated and tiptoed around the idea thinking maybe, possibly we should be sieging, if you're really sure, well it SOUNDS like a good ide- oh crap, too late because we waited too long and now we're dead. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.10.01 21:13:00 - [518] I dont think people get this. It doesnt matter if there was lagg/node crash or something like that, bob won before it started. I just think NC and their Noob buddies ( kia and co.) Are lucky the node crashed , u prolly would have lost alot more too planned dd and tactics.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.01 21:23:00 - [519] Edited by: Gamesguy on 01/10/2008 21:23:55 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Sarah Lothian http://www.killboard.net/details/279960/ I see your basing your responses on well researched evidence and detailed knowledge of the particulars. detailed as in being there? and knowledge as in knowing killboards don't represent actual, true statement of events? Hell yea! That's one huge fight that we lost.... wanna get all historical on me and look at the 2/3 weeks previous and see who had the best 'stats; according to the so called accurate killboards?? Or maybe you're just content to use them to your advantage when it suits you? I base my statement on BEING THERE, not like half the cowards in COAD who throw pebbles from the sidelines, too afraid to put their rears on the line in a real fight (kudos to our opponents for that at least :p) ... it was an admitted turkey shoot and hey, whats done is done... i'm still not hearing the fat lady singin though. Nice job avoiding the point. Go look at the mothership killmail linked. How many GBC do you see on the km? A whooping 21 people, with a total of 4 dreads. Sieged, those 4 dreads we had outdamaged the other 17 people combined and then some. Are you beginning to see through your thick head what a huge difference sieged and unsieged dreads make? And I talked to one of the MM dread pilots that managed to log back on right away, he unequivocally stated that he was ordered to not siege, and that he wasn't going to anyways because like you said, "there weren't many friendly caps on the field and I didn't want to die". We had balls and sieged with only 4 dreads on the field, you didn't, and you lost. Accept it and move on.
BobbySteelz Dirty Deedz	Posted - 2008.10.01 23:36:00 - [520] Ahh So the point of this topic is to say that eve sucks and to try and enjoy and play a game one must sit around hammering a button in hopes of logging into a game that we way a monthly fee for?? Sorry no thanks, eve has definitely lost my interest anymore.. Shame.

BobbySteelz Dirty Deedz	Posted - 2008.10.01 23:38:00 - [521] Where would you be Tri if there wasn't a big bad bob to hold your hand anymore. Face it NC would have steamrolled you had there not been the impending boobs on NC heads.
EzSnake Brass Monkeys Society	Posted - 2008.10.01 23:56:00 - [522] Edited by: EzSnake on 01/10/2008 23:57:17 Not a big GBC fanboi, nor have I ever been a big GBC hater..... but man they bring the fail in NC out and just make them look stupid. Then, they proceed to look even dumber by coming here and crying 'Hax' (like CS:S kiddies) and blaming CCP this/ CCP that, fix the game blah this, give us the game you promised that, crying about everyone, but never acknowledge thier own failures to comprehend how this game works!! just fraking brilliant!!!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:26:00 - [523] The basic difference is really quite obvious. The NC FC didn't know how many caps would be able to log in, so he decided not to risk seige. The BoB FC didn't know how many caps would be able to log in, but he decided to risk seige. Fortune favours the brave. (And graveyards are full of the brave too, I know .. but, um, well, yeah, whatever.) :) Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Presidio Hug Nutz	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:27:00 - [524] Well it looks like CCP is on the right track in terms of squashing the lag problem. The new implementation of the Stackless IO allows for way more players in the same system with acceptable levels of lag however the nodes are now running out of memory since the systems can accept more pilots. Which is what happened in M-O. The node ran out of memory and crashed. Some of the beefier nodes in the cluster have been converted to 64 bit EVE servers to be able to address more RAM. I believe this is already in production. So we may be able to see 1000+ pilot fleet fights. Now if only CCP used unix instead of amateur windows platform we may see some real rock solid performance provided they get admins who know what they are doing. There is a reason why Telco grade apps/servers don't run on windows. -
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:41:00 - [525] I don't understand why so many people are complaining. Many of the issues (that I see mentioned here over and over again) are explained in new version of EVE-Online documentation released few days ago, where all game mechanics/features/limits are finally properly documented: http://www.eve-online.com/documentation/en/ (seems that only English version is available, at this point)
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.10.02 00:57:00 - [526] Edited by: Re Mi on 02/10/2008 00:57:35 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I don't understand why so many people are complaining. Many of the issues (that I see mentioned here over and over again) are explained in new version of EVE-Online documentation released few days ago, where all game mechanics/features/limits are finally properly documented: http://www.eve-online.com/documentation/en/ (seems that only English version is available, at this point) I think it shows how many people can enter a system, but lag induced by drones and missiles isn't in there, but great link. I bookmarked it. Back on Retainer. I am cheap but not easy.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:21:00 - [527] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I don't understand why so many people are complaining. Many of the issues (that I see mentioned here over and over again) are explained in new version of EVE-Online documentation released few days ago, where all game mechanics/features/limits are finally properly documented: http://www.eve-online.com/documentation/en/ (seems that only English version is available, at this point) Wow, a goon tring to front a rick-roll as an offical eve document. You know you can simply hover over a link to see the true address right? RIGHT? I don't think CCP would post any document to youtube I hope you get a perma-ban for this one. 0/10 Lame and stupid My Siggy :) Prove it wrong! Originally by: SirMolle Strategy
Detharon Teldarius	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:45:00 - [528] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Detharon Teldarius Edited by: Detharon Teldarius on 30/09/2008 16:44:00 Wow, is BOB really patting themselves on the back and denying the fact that all that happened was due to lag??? Lol typical BOB for ya... so how's that MAX goin?? ROFLCOPTER As your laughing about bobs max campaign, you do realise they killed 50 cap ships and a few super caps lastnight right? idiot Due to node crash and BOB getting in first (as usual) NOT skill, you didnt know that??? Idiot Also BOB just retreated now from a whooping, didnt know did you?? idiot
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.02 01:50:00 - [529] Edited by: Gamesguy on 02/10/2008 01:50:09 Originally by: Detharon Teldarius Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Detharon Teldarius Edited by: Detharon Teldarius on 30/09/2008 16:44:00 Wow, is BOB really patting themselves on the back and denying the fact that all that happened was due to lag??? Lol typical BOB for ya... so how's that MAX goin?? ROFLCOPTER As your laughing about bobs max campaign, you do realise they killed 50 cap ships and a few super caps lastnight right? idiot Due to node crash and BOB getting in first (as usual) NOT skill, you didnt know that??? Idiot Also BOB just retreated now from a whooping, didnt know did you?? idiot You didn't even read the top of this page did you? We did? What whooping would that be? Please link it.
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.10.02 07:06:00 - [530] Originally by: BobbySteelz Where would you be Tri if there wasn't a big bad bob to hold your hand anymore. Face it NC would have steamrolled you had there not been the impending boobs on NC heads. NC did try to steamroll them when GBC were messing about in Dek. Didn't really work out so well for them... PS- you're the best poaster

Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.02 08:05:00 - [531] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I don't understand why so many people are complaining. Many of the issues (that I see mentioned here over and over again) are explained in new version of EVE-Online documentation released few days ago, where all game mechanics/features/limits are finally properly documented: http://www.eve-online.com/documentation/en/ (seems that only English version is available, at this point) Wow, a goon tring to front a rick-roll as an offical eve document. You know you can simply hover over a link to see the true address right? RIGHT? I don't think CCP would post any document to youtube I hope you get a perma-ban for this one. 0/10 Lame and stupid What is amusing is the fact you noticed this was a Rick Roll and you're whining about it, but you failed to notice that there really is no documentation for EVE.
Ralle030583 Gallente Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.10.02 08:16:00 - [532] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I don't understand why so many people are complaining. Many of the issues (that I see mentioned here over and over again) are explained in new version of EVE-Online documentation released few days ago, where all game mechanics/features/limits are finally properly documented: http://www.eve-online.com/documentation/en/ (seems that only English version is available, at this point) argh i HATE you, caught me again with that RickRoll ... only cause i was wondering since when eve has a documentation.... --------------------------------------- You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net Originally by: CCP Sharkbait i have untr
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.02 13:51:00 - [533] Amazing. If obvious propaganda flamebait is posted by Darius Johnson or Cippa, obvious flambait is obviously locked. Molle does it, and 20 pages of hilarity are allowed to ensue. Congratulations on your mighty PVE victory over those unmanned ships. MIN is proceeding on schedule -- More Inane Nonsense. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:17:00 - [534] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Amazing. If obvious propaganda flamebait is posted by Darius Johnson or Cippa, obvious flambait is obviously locked. Molle does it, and 20 pages of hilarity are allowed to ensue. Congratulations on your mighty PVE victory over those unmanned ships. MIN is proceeding on schedule -- More Inane Nonsense. ? making 50 cap kills without losing any isnt nonsense www.garia.net
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:32:00 - [535] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Amazing. If obvious propaganda flamebait is posted by Darius Johnson or Cippa, obvious flambait is obviously locked. Molle does it, and 20 pages of hilarity are allowed to ensue. Congratulations on your mighty PVE victory over those unmanned ships. MIN is proceeding on schedule -- More Inane Nonsense. ? making 50 cap kills without losing any isnt nonsense Strategy? Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:33:00 - [536] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Amazing. If obvious propaganda flamebait is posted by Darius Johnson or Cippa, obvious flambait is obviously locked. Molle does it, and 20 pages of hilarity are allowed to ensue. Congratulations on your mighty PVE victory over those unmanned ships. MIN is proceeding on schedule -- More Inane Nonsense. ? making 50 cap kills without losing any isnt nonsense Doing it while the opponent isn't logged in is not worth bragging about either.
Tuncan Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:35:00 - [537] If it was the NC who could log and BOB who cannot log we would see whining BOB's and NC members talking how superior that their strategy was. NC was 600 people Bob was around 480 in that system. Okay i get that, but i wonder why did NC attacked a system while there were 480 heads in that system. What was the point? an epic battle? it was clear that it would be a lag fest, why didn't NC capture other systems while their fleet assembled like this?
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:41:00 - [538] Originally by: Tuncan If it was the NC who could log and BOB who cannot log we would see whining BOB's and NC members talking how superior that their strategy was. Wrong. If it was the other way around, there wouldn't be a "hey, we are so uber" post by any NC leader. And you know why. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:48:00 - [539] Originally by: Colonel Xaven Strategy? why don't you bring a mix of RR and sniper BS, jump your capitals in at a gate, and use multiple voice servers to show us all about 'strategy' ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
BiggusDixusMaximus Ribbed and Lubricated	Posted - 2008.10.02 14:55:00 - [540] Originally by: Colonel Xaven Wrong. If it was the other way around, there wouldn't be a "hey, we are so uber" post by any NC leader. And you know why. Because the NC aren't Uber? I also suspect there wouldn't be any whining by the GBC either. Where are your tears when the lag monster hits the enemies side? It's only when you get spanked like a redheaded stepchild that you start whining about lag/spies/tinfoil. But when the shoe is on your foot then it fits nice and comfy huh? ------------------------------ Let's see if it fits shall we?

Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:00:00 - [541] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Amazing. If obvious propaganda flamebait is posted by Darius Johnson or Cippa, obvious flambait is obviously locked. Molle does it, and 20 pages of hilarity are allowed to ensue. Congratulations on your mighty PVE victory over those unmanned ships. MIN is proceeding on schedule -- More Inane Nonsense. ? making 50 cap kills without losing any isnt nonsense Doing it while the opponent isn't logged in is not worth bragging about either. Like I already told you, they would have gone it us if they had the chance and they have done it to us just few weeks ago, so it's payback. Maybe you should count the number of threads that are started by coalition bragging about their little victories, how much MAX fails and go tell them that it's not worth bragging and making propaganda leaflets about it either. K? The truth will set you free
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:04:00 - [542] Originally by: Tuncan If it was the NC who could log and BOB who cannot log we would see whining BOB's and NC members talking how superior that their strategy was. NC was 600 people Bob was around 480 in that system. Okay i get that, but i wonder why did NC attacked a system while there were 480 heads in that system. What was the point? an epic battle? it was clear that it would be a lag fest, why didn't NC capture other systems while their fleet assembled like this? The important part is that MM still had sov 3 in the system at the time of the attack. It's safe to say, that for the time being, M-O was a system worth keeping. Some important systems for which BoB actually cares are 60 jumps away from where the danger actually is. At this time, for MM/RZR going that far wasn't an option.
Audrea Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:11:00 - [543] Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Heptameron the FC at that engagement ordered no podding, kill the ships but not the pods. if you think about that, you'll see its not a charitable act... there is a reason for it That's your assumption... not one based on fact and being there at the time. Beleive it or not (just for once take my word for it), personally I don't give a rats rear, i was there and more than a couple of the NC felt a wee bit guilty about shooting stuff that could not shoot back and the FC decided not to shoot pods and let them leave eventually with a semblance of pride intact. That my friend earned that FC a lot of respect from me.... don't expect it from anyone else but hey, it's only a game right? ok well, if you really believe thats why the FC ordered such thing, you are naive, and stupid yes, but I am glad you feel that you are a better person if you haven't killed pods If you don't believe it, then you are simply lying.. perhaps to yourself more than anyone else. This is a EVE, where the purpose is to destroy the enemy, not pity him, when I kill a pod, I hope he had a lot of SP and expensive clone, and I truly hope he forgot to upgrade his clone and lost SP I am not ashamed of that, and I think most of the GBC feels the same way, we don't need to hide our nature If its not in yours for real, then seriously, leave 0.0... its not for you, and I am not flaming or anything mate. Perhaps even EVE isnt for you.. and you need a game where ppl get padded on their back for being nice to their 'enemies' on the battlefield :P
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:31:00 - [544] Originally by: Ralle030583 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I don't understand why so many people are complaining. Many of the issues (that I see mentioned here over and over again) are explained in new version of EVE-Online documentation released few days ago, where all game mechanics/features/limits are finally properly documented: http://www.eve-online.com/documentation/en/ (seems that only English version is available, at this point) argh i HATE you, caught me again with that RickRoll ... only cause i was wondering since when eve has a documentation.... That was exactly my point, sorry for the RickRoll
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:41:00 - [545] Originally by: Audrea This is a EVE, where the purpose is to destroy the enemy, not pity him, when I kill a pod, I hope he had a lot of SP and expensive clone, and I truly hope he forgot to upgrade his clone and lost SP I am not ashamed of that, and I think most of the GBC feels the same way, we don't need to hide our nature I have to disagree with you here. I do feel sorry for people and get tinged with guilt sometimes in situations like that. I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
lonesomegirl Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.10.02 15:45:00 - [546] I do it cause i'm KM *****.
Tijuana Game-Over	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:01:00 - [547] Originally by: Butter Dog I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Quoting the most laughable thing I have ever seen. ______
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:22:00 - [548] Edited by: Butter Dog on 02/10/2008 16:21:50 Originally by: Tijuana Originally by: Butter Dog I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Quoting the most laughable thing I have ever seen. You haven't seen your corp history? ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
phillie blunt Live And Let Die	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:41:00 - [549] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 02/10/2008 16:21:50 Originally by: Tijuana Originally by: Butter Dog I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Quoting the most laughable thing I have ever seen. You haven't seen your corp history? burn!
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:44:00 - [550] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 02/10/2008 16:21:50 Originally by: Tijuana Originally by: Butter Dog I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Quoting the most laughable thing I have ever seen. You haven't seen your corp history? Nice burn I have to admit :) But you got to admit, you get fun out of living out a bizarre vendetta fantasy ;)

Tijuana Game-Over	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:47:00 - [551] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 02/10/2008 16:21:50 Originally by: Tijuana Originally by: Butter Dog I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Quoting the most laughable thing I have ever seen. You haven't seen your corp history? Shinra was crap... you're right. RKK, even worse. What did either of those corps ever accomplish? lol GAME.... well, the best thing we ever did was kick you out of insrg ______
Feroxia Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.02 16:49:00 - [552] Originally by: SirMolle The secrets on how to loose 50+ capitals and a support fleet without killing anything while outnumbering the enemy 2:1 I want to have SirMolle's children! They will be great strategists in MMORPGs where lag isn't an issue or node crashes don't help fleets to win battles, or where d/c pilot's ships warp off. Fastest way to kill a cap ship - wait for it to dc! yay! we're the best right?
Audrea Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:18:00 - [553] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Audrea This is a EVE, where the purpose is to destroy the enemy, not pity him, when I kill a pod, I hope he had a lot of SP and expensive clone, and I truly hope he forgot to upgrade his clone and lost SP I am not ashamed of that, and I think most of the GBC feels the same way, we don't need to hide our nature I have to disagree with you here. I do feel sorry for people and get tinged with guilt sometimes in situations like that. I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Fair enough, but as a pirate, I love it this way, the more ppl we make cry, the happier I am
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Resurgency	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:24:00 - [554] Originally by: Metal Dude Maybe you should count the number of threads that are started by coalition bragging about their little victories, how much MAX fails and go tell them that it's not worth bragging and making propaganda leaflets about it either. K? I know what your saying and I don't know the history of this conflict either. All I am saying is, it is a sorry state of this game when a fight comes down pwning shit while it logs on. Besides I wasn't smacking you, I was smacking the other fella who thinks he is hard.
Kyguard Forged from Fire	Posted - 2008.10.02 17:26:00 - [555] Originally by: Tijuana Originally by: Butter Dog I play to have fun not live out a bizarre vendetta fantasy. Quoting the most laughable thing I have ever seen. Good job catching that -
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:01:00 - [556] Originally by: Tijuana GAME.... well, the best thing we ever did was kick you out of insrg You have to base your trolls in fact to get me emo-raging But nice try. PS - didnt you get the memo that your corp is dead? or are you the holding alt? ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Tijuana Game-Over	Posted - 2008.10.02 18:55:00 - [557] Originally by: Butter Dog PS - didnt you get the memo that your corp is dead? or are you the holding alt? Like my ***** Ag always said: You can take the char outta the GAME, but you can't take the GAME out of the char. p.s. stop derailing Molle's thread... there's some FW Amarrian insurgents in Rahadalan... You're out of your element with Alliance warfare. ______
Kathryn Inara Freelancer Ltd	Posted - 2008.10.02 19:02:00 - [558] Originally by: Tijuana You're out of your element with Alliance warfare. Irony overload :head explode:
Tijuana Game-Over	Posted - 2008.10.02 19:05:00 - [559] Originally by: Kathryn Inara Originally by: Tijuana You're out of your element with Alliance warfare. Irony overload :head explode: WTS a clue ______
Kyguard Forged from Fire	Posted - 2008.10.02 19:51:00 - [560] Edited by: Kyguard on 02/10/2008 19:54:50 Originally by: Kathryn Inara Originally by: Tijuana You're out of your element with Alliance warfare. Irony overload :head explode: You and your one man corp make the best judge. Edit: don't think I made a post regarding the OP - very well done BoB. I don't know why the NC are crying here about cheating, login queues etc. you should be collecting yourselves and figuring out why you did so poorly and make sure it doesn't happen again. Pretty sure you set the record for most caps killed for least lost. -

Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.10.02 20:30:00 - [561] Originally by: Tijuana You're out of your element with Alliance warfare. Coming from you... this is a CAOD classic ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
EIT CEO	Posted - 2008.10.02 20:35:00 - [562] Originally by: Kyguard Edited by: Kyguard on 02/10/2008 19:54:50 Originally by: Kathryn Inara Originally by: Tijuana You're out of your element with Alliance warfare. Irony overload :head explode: You and your one man corp make the best judge. Who are you again?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.02 23:00:00 - [563] Originally by: Heavytanker ASCN did log on after every node drop and we got the same beating as the nc got. Not really. Just ask any ASCN directors at the time or anyone with access to ASCN Leadership channel or Director Foums. There were a combination of many problems ASCN had, but one major issue was that ASCN was people ripping each other off. E.G If some cov ops pilot needed a cov ops cloak, thats 70mil. Want a 425 II? Fine its 25mil.....Each. Want a Hac? Thats 150mil+ unfitted. So Carebears were so busy charging maximum for their assets, that the ordinary grunt could only afford a couple of ships. So people did not want to be the first person to log in, and hence, waited a minute or two before attempting. This meant they went to the back of the login queue. NC is simaler in that most members do not get any support for their PvP. So perhaps they are doing the same thing? -- Billion Isk Mission
Ephemeral Waves Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.10.02 23:23:00 - [564] Originally by: Audrea Fair enough, but as a pirate, I love it this way, the more ppl we make cry, the happier I am I believe that you meant to say "x-pirate" as piracy is frowned upon by EXE. And please ensure that you make clear that "we" applies to you and not the rest of EXE. Eph.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.10.03 02:48:00 - [565] I don't think Butter Dog has a vendetta, I think he just loves the forums and politics like a kid loves sugar. But people stopped caring what neutrals thought ages ago thanks to the number of legit-looking alts, so the ones who stick around get good at baiting. And CAOD isn't short of suckers on both sides who will bust a nut responding to everything they don't like. I tried that once. There is just too many people I don't like. That, and most of them never adhered to such principles as logic and facts. In the end all you can hope for is that someone, somewhere, is losing their enamel and getting cavities because of you. By the way, I think some northern corporations would do well to cease being cheating hypocrite douchelords. I know what you did last summer!
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.10.03 05:25:00 - [566] Kudos to both sides to be honest, you help make Eve and the forums interesting. Bring on the trumpets.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.03 08:19:00 - [567] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I don't think Butter Dog has a vendetta, I think he just loves the forums and politics like a kid loves sugar. But people stopped caring what neutrals thought ages ago thanks to the number of legit-looking alts, so the ones who stick around get good at baiting. Remeber the time dog was anti bob? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2008.10.03 10:53:00 - [568] Originally by: Jallem Sims Originally by: bitters much Edited by: bitters much on 30/09/2008 12:26:55 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont they ? post with your main and stop pushing the same line... they had 400 in local, with an impressive amount of caps. so, what your saying is the NC should let them keep the system, right? i mean.. that would be the point of the game, right? pile all your attacking forces into one system and wait for the defenders to come in.. cause i mean, they actually might want that system? brain, in gear please, m-o is entry system to nc space, do you some how think that NC will just say, ok.. they have the system full... you win guys... we don't want to die to your super caps. Maybe your alliance would do that, but from what i see, the NC is fighting over space that they want to keep. so many molle wannabe's in this op, and the usual tri trolls, with the same lines that mean nothing? tri Guys, i wish you'd be inventive like your past leaders were, but now all i see are a group of faceless wannabe cool internet space ship dudes jumping on the old 'we look cool cause we have one liners' bandwaggon.... same usual lines, its like people can't actually think of anything new! rotate anyone? Post with your main? How about you? I thought Wyverns of Dionysus was IAC's pos gunner's alt corp... Correct me if I am wrong...
Jallem Sims Minmatar Wyverns of Dionysus	Posted - 2008.10.03 11:18:00 - [569] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Jallem Sims Originally by: bitters much Edited by: bitters much on 30/09/2008 12:26:55 Originally by: Heptameron Originally by: Deva Blackfire bring 1000 people into one system - that hard to comprehend? Ok i'm tired of reading your BS so i'll type this is nice big letters and simple words for you to understand..... BOB = 415 PILOTS IN M-O - INCLUDING 3 TITANS/7 MOMS/84 SUBCAPS get the idea that WE didn't bring 1000 to the system yet????? You still don`t understand that M-O isnt Jita have you ? Go on try to squeeze 1000 or more ppl in a system ( no matter how many are on what side ) and come back whine some more after you wasted even more ships and time from your comrades. They surely will support your awsome tactic and game knowledge till they broke cos superior numbers allways come out on top, dont they ? post with your main and stop pushing the same line... they had 400 in local, with an impressive amount of caps. so, what your saying is the NC should let them keep the system, right? i mean.. that would be the point of the game, right? pile all your attacking forces into one system and wait for the defenders to come in.. cause i mean, they actually might want that system? brain, in gear please, m-o is entry system to nc space, do you some how think that NC will just say, ok.. they have the system full... you win guys... we don't want to die to your super caps. Maybe your alliance would do that, but from what i see, the NC is fighting over space that they want to keep. so many molle wannabe's in this op, and the usual tri trolls, with the same lines that mean nothing? tri Guys, i wish you'd be inventive like your past leaders were, but now all i see are a group of faceless wannabe cool internet space ship dudes jumping on the old 'we look cool cause we have one liners' bandwaggon.... same usual lines, its like people can't actually think of anything new! rotate anyone? Post with your main? How about you? I thought Wyverns of Dionysus was IAC's pos gunner's alt corp... Correct me if I am wrong... your wrong... but thats of topic. Wodka had a mix, while lots where alts when needed for gunning the pos's, some of us had our mains in wodka. not all of us seek fame through over developed vocal(word) expressions in local or on caod, and so rest in the grey parts of space enjoying the game for being a game, playing it our own way.
EnacheV1 Minmatar Hunters Agency	Posted - 2008.10.03 13:35:00 - [570] So NC lost 20+ dreads to 4 sieged GBC dreads. And you come and whine dev hax after You had the biggest chance of your life for free gbc cap kills (lets forget 15w the week before when you killed crashed caps that couldnt fire back) but you failed because you are not to good at this computer game. So nice ------

Ubidak Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.03 15:43:00 - [571] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0 M-O has 5 gates, and not 2, those being Taisy, E-O, FYO, J-G and VOD. 3 systems out of 5 had or still have POS jump bridges. NC had an option of jumping into M-O from at least 3 gates plus a titan bridge or two at their POSes that were still present in M-O by that time. Instead they decided to jump in thru single E-O gate, furthermore, a good chunk of titan bridged people were jumped also to E-O gate grid. I don't think NC leaders/FC are idiots, I rather think that was a deliberate attempt to crash the system. That is even more likely if you happen to know that NC (for some wierd reson) believes that node crash works in favour of those who jump in. P.S. Let alone considering an option of retaking M-O when GBC isn't at its top presence in there.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.03 16:11:00 - [572] Originally by: Ubidak Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0 M-O has 5 gates, and not 2, those being Taisy, E-O, FYO, J-G and VOD. 3 systems out of 5 had or still have POS jump bridges. NC had an option of jumping into M-O from at least 3 gates plus a titan bridge or two at their POSes that were still present in M-O by that time. Instead they decided to jump in thru single E-O gate, furthermore, a good chunk of titan bridged people were jumped also to E-O gate grid. I don't think NC leaders/FC are idiots, I rather think that was a deliberate attempt to crash the system. That is even more likely if you happen to know that NC (for some wierd reson) believes that node crash works in favour of those who jump in. P.S. Let alone considering an option of retaking M-O when GBC isn't at its top presence in there. NC thinks node crashes favor the ones that jump in because of jv1v and their own experience in BKG against mpire/fatal. In both fights the side with more numbers and jumped in won it. Only in this case their FC royally screwed up.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.03 16:44:00 - [573] Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Originally by: Audrea Fair enough, but as a pirate, I love it this way, the more ppl we make cry, the happier I am I believe that you meant to say "x-pirate" as piracy is frowned upon by EXE. And please ensure that you make clear that "we" applies to you and not the rest of EXE. Eph. In truth piracy is attacking a ship for gain, so really half of alliance warfare is piracy anyway. And he said "I" not "we" so whats the big deal.
TheFatman Amarr Evolution	Posted - 2008.10.03 23:06:00 - [574] After the chaos of the node crash I think the difference between the BoB FC's and what is reported as the decisions of the NC FC's can be summed up by Patton: ôA good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan next week.ö From our side of the TS the decision was made and the order went out immediately when the node crashed "When you log into the game again, get to the gate and engage". From this thread it sounds like indecision ruled the day on NC's side, and the KB shows the difference. I wasn't able to log back into game until the main fight was over, just stared at a loading screen for a couple of hours. No Dev love for me .
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.03 23:14:00 - [575] Originally by: TheFatman I wasn't able to log back into game until the main fight was over, just stared at a loading screen for a couple of hours. No Dev love for me . You are on the list now, fixed.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.03 23:18:00 - [576] Originally by: Deathsoul Originally by: TheFatman I wasn't able to log back into game until the main fight was over, just stared at a loading screen for a couple of hours. No Dev love for me . You are on the list now, fixed. Noooo, don't give away my spot, I NEED IT!
Mo'Chuisle Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.03 23:57:00 - [577] Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Originally by: Audrea Fair enough, but as a pirate, I love it this way, the more ppl we make cry, the happier I am I believe that you meant to say "x-pirate" as piracy is frowned upon by EXE. And please ensure that you make clear that "we" applies to you and not the rest of EXE. Eph. In truth piracy is attacking a ship for gain, so really half of alliance warfare is piracy anyway. And he said "I" not "we" so whats the big deal. WTF we're all about lootin', plunderin' and pillagin'! I'm certainly not frowning on piracy
drMile Kitic Gallente Copperhead Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.04 01:33:00 - [578] Sir Molle suxs, bob suxs. Signature removed. Please resize to a maximum of 400 x 120 pixels and 24000 bytes. Navigator
Detharon Teldarius	Posted - 2008.10.04 04:29:00 - [579] Why all these pages of back and forth??? It's already been established what happened, node dropped, BOB was lucky enough to log back in first. Not saying its a hack, just luck... end of discussion, no superior strategy or anything.. common sense btw why does everyone keep acting like a BOB cheat is such a ridiculous idea?? They already got caught cheating.. more then once, is it THAT hard to believe??
B0rn2KiLL Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.04 22:43:00 - [580] delicious coad ** --- Originally by:** Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game

Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.10.08 10:47:00 - [581] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Ubidak Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Yeah because you can choose where to jump into a system with 2 gates. Wait are you a bod? Maybe you can choose where to jump in at o.0 M-O has 5 gates, and not 2, those being Taisy, E-O, FYO, J-G and VOD. 3 systems out of 5 had or still have POS jump bridges. NC had an option of jumping into M-O from at least 3 gates plus a titan bridge or two at their POSes that were still present in M-O by that time. Instead they decided to jump in thru single E-O gate, furthermore, a good chunk of titan bridged people were jumped also to E-O gate grid. I don't think NC leaders/FC are idiots, I rather think that was a deliberate attempt to crash the system. That is even more likely if you happen to know that NC (for some wierd reson) believes that node crash works in favour of those who jump in. P.S. Let alone considering an option of retaking M-O when GBC isn't at its top presence in there. NC thinks node crashes favor the ones that jump in because of jv1v and their own experience in BKG against mpire/fatal. In both fights the side with more numbers and jumped in won it. Only in this case their FC royally screwed up. yeah when goonswarm jumped in on jv1 with over 1k pilots the people in the system where screwed.. and eventualy we lost the baby titan.. If that has been changed its good to know.. www.garia.net
Dracorimus Caldari Edge Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.08 16:40:00 - [582] What a load of drivel..... - Die faster damnit!


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