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CCP Fallout

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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:36:00 -
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After reading Eris Discordia's newest dev blog, you are going to want to run, not walk, to this year's Fan Fest. Attendees will have the opportunity to demo walking in stations, but everyone can get a taste of what's to come by reading Eris Discordia's blog here.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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CCP Fallout

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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:36:00 -
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After reading Eris Discordia's newest dev blog, you are going to want to run, not walk, to this year's Fan Fest. Attendees will have the opportunity to demo walking in stations, but everyone can get a taste of what's to come by reading Eris Discordia's blog here.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Kyguard
Forged from Fire
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:39:00 -
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Ooooh sweet -
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Kyguard
Forged from Fire
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:39:00 -
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Ooooh sweet -
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:44:00 -
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It's some carrot+stick kind of thing, isn't it?
Or wait..you're basically telling me: "We're gonna have lotsa fun, AND YOU WON'T BE THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO TIME, LOSER! HA! "
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Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:44:00 -
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It's some carrot+stick kind of thing, isn't it?
Or wait..you're basically telling me: "We're gonna have lotsa fun, AND YOU WON'T BE THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO TIME, LOSER! HA! "
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Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:45:00 -
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ohh another dev blog on vaporwarez
:P
Eris, I appreciate the time and effort your putting into this feature. I just really hope that once Ambulation is introduced we, the players, are not forced into having to use ambulation.
I understand why adding it well help increase Eve's general appeal. I also understan how in someways this is also a partial beta for ambulation in the WhiteWolf/CCP MMO of the future.
...but for myself, I signed up to play an interwebs space ship game, so I expect to be staring at the back thrusters of my ship all the time. Not the back arse end of a humaniod shaped arrangement of pixels.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:45:00 -
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ohh another dev blog on vaporwarez
:P
Eris, I appreciate the time and effort your putting into this feature. I just really hope that once Ambulation is introduced we, the players, are not forced into having to use ambulation.
I understand why adding it well help increase Eve's general appeal. I also understan how in someways this is also a partial beta for ambulation in the WhiteWolf/CCP MMO of the future.
...but for myself, I signed up to play an interwebs space ship game, so I expect to be staring at the back thrusters of my ship all the time. Not the back arse end of a humaniod shaped arrangement of pixels.
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james126
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:59:00 -
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sounds fairly dull to me, unless you tell me i can kill people in it.
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james126
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Posted - 2008.10.03 17:59:00 -
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sounds fairly dull to me, unless you tell me i can kill people in it.
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Max Leadfoot
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:00:00 -
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any chance to have the presentation have streamed live?
any takers?
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Max Leadfoot
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:00:00 -
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any chance to have the presentation have streamed live?
any takers?
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SPIONKOP
Caldari Warp Core Tech
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:01:00 -
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Not sure the game needs this to be honest.
It a bit like the premium graphics, nice eye candy and I bet it looks good on trailers etc but does it add to the game. Nope, it hammers my performance and quite frankly imho it's add nothing to the game.
I fear the same will apply to the WIS feature. It will look good but after the initial try out, most people will stay locked in their ship to avoid another "session change in progess".
I am sure you folks are putting a lot of effort into it, but not sure Eve needs it.
--------------------------------------------- Space For Rent.
100mil ISK/Week.
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SPIONKOP
Caldari Warp Core Tech
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:01:00 -
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Not sure the game needs this to be honest.
It a bit like the premium graphics, nice eye candy and I bet it looks good on trailers etc but does it add to the game. Nope, it hammers my performance and quite frankly imho it's add nothing to the game.
I fear the same will apply to the WIS feature. It will look good but after the initial try out, most people will stay locked in their ship to avoid another "session change in progess".
I am sure you folks are putting a lot of effort into it, but not sure Eve needs it.
--------------------------------------------- Space For Rent.
100mil ISK/Week.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kappas. on 03/10/2008 18:14:01 Ahh finally some news about walking in stations!
Edit: Originally by: SPIONKOP but not sure Eve needs it.
Word on the street is it's the same engine World of Darkness will use to let you run around. __________________
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:15:00 -
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Wooooot
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
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Alex V0X2
Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:27:00 -
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First in an Eris blog. **** yeah!
[color=pink]Moar pinky!!!![/color]
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clhawks
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:44:00 -
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Been following this for a while and it looks very interesting and "unique" feature for a game like EVE. I have a Question for the Devs though, When can we expect the first initial release? Before or around Xmas would be great. Among others I am quite eager to give this a run 
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:45:00 -
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Nice to have lots of dev blogs now.
I don't expect more from WiS than opportunities to take money away from others, so I'll hardly be disappointed.  ------------------------------------------
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 03/10/2008 18:58:40 Edited by: Haradgrim on 03/10/2008 18:58:28
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Who is the proud Titan owner now?
Does this mean Titan pilots will be able to dock once ambulation is released? 
Originally by: Shadowsword Nice to have lots of dev blogs now.
I don't expect more from WiS than opportunities to take money away from others, so I'll hardly be disappointed. 
QFT, also my reason for being... --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:06:00 -
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MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS |

Zukira Al'Kalish
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:38:00 -
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Whell... with drinking in stations comes getting drunk in stations... with getting drunk in stations comes jumping back into your pod before the buzz wears off and trying admirably to fly in a straight line, while failing miserably.
I sure hope we can fly while drunk. This may be a key feature of Ambulation that will get me hooked.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:46:00 -
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DO WANT.
I'm very much looking forward to this addition, it's one of the primary reasons that I'm back in the game, and 4 people followed me back. This is going to be a roleplayers dream.
One thing I'm still wondering about, and haven't yet found any more info on, is clothing, more specifically, what kind of options will we have, will we be restricted to only our races clothing? bloodline? Will it be tied to a skill (Diplomacy)? Or will we be able to wear whatever we want? This is an important thing for RPers, and I can see all three viewpoints. Personally, I'm for the skill based approach or the everybody can wear everything approach.
The other thing I've been wondering, is weapons. There will obviously be no combat, but I think it was E-ON #6 that mentioned the possibility of decorative weapons to go on the avatars as accessories. I like this idea, I'm just wondering if it'll actually happen or not.
Can't wait to see some videos from FanFest! I'm counting down the days.
 New to smuggling in EVE? So are we, visit EVE Smugglers today.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Glorious MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
I have a few friends who would strongly agree with you.
I doubt this would ever make it into the R1, but certainly would be cool to see in a future update.
 New to smuggling in EVE? So are we, visit EVE Smugglers today.
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london
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:45:00 -
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VITALIC! 
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.03 21:44:00 -
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I'm looking forward to try this out at Fanfest.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: james126 sounds fairly dull to me, unless you tell me i can kill people in it.
So you're never gonna get out and see what it's like? I would bet my entire wallet that you'll try quite a number of times.
And: Ooooooh, interesting. Bugger that I can't see all this stuff because I can't afford a few grand to go to Iceland. Bit unfair, but I guess you've gotta give people a reason to come, eh? ----------
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:04:00 -
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Nice blog, hope the coverage of this years fanfest is top-notch as I'll be watching with great interest.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:43:00 -
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WANT ERIS POSTERS....SIGNED EIRS POSTERS .... and good dev blog  carebears are flying pinyatas
my killboard stats [img]http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Armoured C/ht_16/sig.gif[/img |

Malen Nenokal
Eden Federal Recon
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:58:00 -
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Must... save... my... money D:
I better see a flood of content hitting this site/ten ton hammer during fanfest  |

A Sinner
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.03 23:01:00 -
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Quote: It's time to have some fun, be admired, and spend money on women, gambling and booze.
How much are women being sold for in Iceland and are they any good ? Thanks in advance. |

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.03 23:13:00 -
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It sounds amusing... appreciate the blog Eris.
-Liang --
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.04 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: El Yatta on 04/10/2008 00:22:21 Every time they post about ambulation they just reinforce the idea that its ONLY pretending to drink online (i.e. the most pointless waste of time I can think of). Is it just me that goes "which of the following can I do in real life: drink beer, walk around, put on clothes, and fly a massive spaceship firing antimatter at another massive spaceship?" and then use that to choose what I want to do on the internet?
Is ambulation seriously aimed at the "under 18 with very strict parents and no friends so cannot conceivably drink" demographic? Really? Drinking in stations? There must be somthing more. In about 5 dev blogs, multiple screenshots, debates, dev posts and interviews, not a single actual /feature/ of ambulation has been mentioned, with the tenuous exception of some sort of in-station tactical map/ war room, the use of which sounds dubious. Its literally been billed, for a couple of years now, as just walking around. I'd be happy to take it all back if they come up with an actual game instead, but seeing as combat is already ruled out, and so are using any of the station's services, I doubt it.
Originally by: Bane Glorious MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
Die. |

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.04 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Every time they post about ambulation they just reinforce the idea that its ONLY pretending to drink online (i.e. the most pointless waste of time I can think of). Is it just me that goes "which of the following can I do in real life: drink beer, walk around, put on clothes, and fly a massive spaceship firing antimatter at another massive spaceship?" and then use that to choose what I want to do on the internet?
ABSOLUTE WIN!!!
Cheers, Arrs
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.04 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Edited by: El Yatta on 04/10/2008 00:22:21 Every time they post about ambulation they just reinforce the idea that its ONLY pretending to drink online (i.e. the most pointless waste of time I can think of). Is it just me that goes "which of the following can I do in real life: drink beer, walk around, put on clothes, and fly a massive spaceship firing antimatter at another massive spaceship?" and then use that to choose what I want to do on the internet?
Is ambulation seriously aimed at the "under 18 with very strict parents and no friends so cannot conceivably drink" demographic? Really? Drinking in stations? There must be somthing more. In about 5 dev blogs, multiple screenshots, debates, dev posts and interviews, not a single actual /feature/ of ambulation has been mentioned, with the tenuous exception of some sort of in-station tactical map/ war room, the use of which sounds dubious. Its literally been billed, for a couple of years now, as just walking around. I'd be happy to take it all back if they come up with an actual game instead, but seeing as combat is already ruled out, and so are using any of the station's services, I doubt it.
Originally by: Bane Glorious MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
Die.
I'm kind of tired of the assumption that just because you can't fight, there won't be gameplay. Some people do no fighting at all, some players manage corporations, this doesn't always require flying a ship or fighting. Some people would rather exist in a virtual world, than just play "internet spaceships", for us, EVE is becoming our virtual world, for the rest of you, you can still play "internet spaceships", why all the rage and hate? I just don't understand it at all, it seems so unfounded. |

eeeBs
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.04 02:26:00 -
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Honestly the thing I do the most in eve recently is sit in a station and train skills (thanks BoB, bastards) hang out in corp/alliance chat. It'll be sweet to hang with actual ppl. |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.04 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 04/10/2008 05:15:32 walking in stations? ok pretty cool :)
presentation on the art of ambulation!?! AWESOME!
damn it I wish I had my passport |

Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.04 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword Nice to have lots of dev blogs now.
Ya but they dont seem to say anything.
Forums Refined: MEH so you changed something but didnt fix the actual problem of no forums ingame. Eve API: Meh whatever. Jita connundrum: Meh we all know it lags. CSM: Ya well the CSM doesnt do anything anyway. Instead of CCP saying NO. It's the CSM aka players who say no to most. StacklessIO: Meh jita lags something about dreams: Meh boring... so some employees of ccp have less hard of a job. Yippee. eve64; oh thats right not actual player related AT ALL. new additions: yaay some vagueness about stuff we already know. Boozing in stations: Yaay walk around in stations and do... oh right well nothing. They will likely do some lame chess minigames or something... but sigh.
I'd rather have 1-2 devblogs with something of value in it that actually says something. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.04 07:14:00 -
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YAY FOR BOOZE!!!!!! |

Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.10.04 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Shadowsword Nice to have lots of dev blogs now.
Ya but they dont seem to say anything.
... StacklessIO: Meh jita lags something about dreams: Meh boring... so some employees of ccp have less hard of a job. Yippee. eve64; oh thats right not actual player related AT ALL. ...
I'd rather have 1-2 devblogs with something of value in it that actually says something.
You Sir, are more than a bit stupid, aren't you? If you cannot understand what is written in those blogs then you should better shut up.
About Ambulation? Well, certainly a nice project but it has trillions of pitfalls and difficulties. We will see how it will work out.
Most important question is, how many players are allowed to share the same room? Last time I heard something about it (last year fanfest) it was something like 16 or 32? Or maybe my memory fails me and I mix up things.
Another question: will EveTV be there and stream the presentations? |

Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.10.04 07:38:00 -
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Will there be fully nude Gallente strippers in high-definition? If so ... I'm in. =) ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |

SPIONKOP
Caldari Warp Core Tech
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Posted - 2008.10.04 08:46:00 -
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I have only ever been to one Fanfest, the 1st one.
They showed a demo of planetary flight. It looked good and had the potentail to add something new to the game. Since then the game has changed so much but as for planatary flight were did it go?
Was that 4 years ago? Since then nothing, nada, nil, zero, ziltch, sod all about bringing this into the game.
CCP has had some great ideas over the years, some are in game, some have been dropped due to changes in the direction of the game and some have just gone into a black hole.
Please tell us if this is still on the cards. |

Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.04 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP
They showed a demo of planetary flight.
lol indeed, and I think that would have been a much more exciting addition to the EVE universe.
Alas though, I am looking forward to ambulation, having a proper avatar I can wander around with- though Im nervous about how it is going to affect the primary game. I expect walking in stations to be something carebears and newer players do the most- from what I've heard it sounds like only a few empire stations will have it anyway, so anyone who lives in 0.0 will probably be somewhat unaffected. |

Boma Airaken
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.10.04 11:13:00 -
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Umm yeah. Could you guys stop rubbing shit in the faces of people who a: cant afford to go to fanfest and b: find the idea of freezing their asses off and spending 10 bucks on a beer with a side of putrid shark meat repulsive? its getting really ****jing old. Just tell us all whats up for ****s sake. The people who can/want to go to fanfest will continue to do so. |

Braeriach
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Posted - 2008.10.04 11:43:00 -
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Vitalic is definately a Gallentean.
Can we have Pony Pt. 1 on the jukebox please?
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Brigsby5987
Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.10.04 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP Not sure the game needs this to be honest.
It a bit like the premium graphics, nice eye candy and I bet it looks good on trailers etc but does it add to the game. Nope, it hammers my performance and quite frankly imho it's add nothing to the game.
I fear the same will apply to the WIS feature. It will look good but after the initial try out, most people will stay locked in their ship to avoid another "session change in progess".
I am sure you folks are putting a lot of effort into it, but not sure Eve needs it.
If it hammers your performance get a better pc.
If you cannot afford a better pc, get a better job.
If you cannot get a better job, get a better education.
If you are not smart enough to get a better education, then why are you playing eve anyways?
In other words: No excuses. Eve does need this, it will make eve more popular. Popular IS better if you want this game to be around another 5 years. Do not argue, for these facts will never change. 
Furthermore,
I wanted to be at fanfest, but with economic doom looming on the horizon I decided to save my money for a plane ticket (and a few months living expenses) should I need to quickly get my ass out of here.
Although if the dollars value crashes im screwed either way  _______________________________________ Sig? where. There's no sig here. |

Gerome Doutrande
Rue Morgue
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Brigsby5987 it will make eve more popular.
Why is that?
Originally by: Brigsby5987 Although if the dollars value crashes im screwed either way 
Get a better job? No excuses, remember?  |

Treenara Mazouk
Phoenix Propulsion Labs Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:15:00 -
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This is going to be sweet!  |

Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:22:00 -
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Ummm.. yippie.. I guess... What percentage of the paying population will be attending Fanfest? Is there any reason the preview has to be limited to those with way too much time and money on their hands? |

SPIONKOP
Caldari Warp Core Tech
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Brigsby5987
Originally by: SPIONKOP Not sure the game needs this to be honest.
Stuff I said....
but not sure Eve needs it.
If it hammers your performance get a better pc.
If you cannot afford a better pc, get a better job.
If you cannot get a better job, get a better education.
If you are not smart enough to get a better education, then why are you playing eve anyways?
In other words: No excuses. Eve does need this, it will make eve more popular. Popular IS better if you want this game to be around another 5 years. Do not argue, for these facts will never change. 
Furthermore,
I wanted to be at fanfest, but with economic doom looming on the horizon I decided to save my money for a plane ticket (and a few months living expenses) should I need to quickly get my ass out of here.
Although if the dollars value crashes im screwed either way 
I would have to disagree with you.
Eve does not need eye candy that can only be seen on high end PC's with a single client.
Eve needs content.
So I can walk around in station. What does that do. Allow me to fight, I doubt it, allow me to trade, I can do that already, allow me to get ****ed, I am sorry but virtual ale does not do it for me.
I agree it will make make the game more popular but when the "fun" wears off then I am sure folks will do what they do now. Talk on Vent/TS/Voice and sit in their ship. |

Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Most important question is, how many players are allowed to share the same room? Last time I heard something about it (last year fanfest) it was something like 16 or 32? Or maybe my memory fails me and I mix up things.
The number mentioned at FanFest was a 64 player cap per room. |

QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:26:00 -
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Still going ahead with the random, pointless eye candy? EVE needs many things, but walking is not one of them. |

Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.04 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 04/10/2008 17:50:40 redacted.
threads like these demonstrate well enough why the 'community' is a cesspool.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.04 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP I have only ever been to one Fanfest, the 1st one.
They showed a demo of planetary flight. It looked good and had the potentail to add something new to the game. Since then the game has changed so much but as for planatary flight were did it go?.
try watching last years fanfest videos they have a new planetary UI and finished models of tanks and jets.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.04 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gerome Doutrande
Originally by: Brigsby5987 it will make eve more popular.
Why is that?
Originally by: Brigsby5987 Although if the dollars value crashes im screwed either way 
Get a better job? No excuses, remember? 
hahahaha :P
it will be more popular because people want a person to content to. I know 8 people that would play eve if you could walk around.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.04 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
You Sir, are more than a bit stupid, aren't you? If you cannot understand what is written in those blogs then you should better shut up.
My comprehension is quite fine infact. It's just that there's nothing in the dev blog. They dont say anything worth knowing.
I'm not going to fanfest. Other then them saying that fanfest people will get information and presentations... which all fanfests are like... the closest thing to information was that you can walk around, drink, and play mini yahoo games. Yipppeee. Either there's information that ambulation wont be totally worthless or this dev blog pretty much says all there is to know. Which is nothing. ------------------------ "There was this bright flash of light - and now this egg shaped thing is on my screen - did I level up?" |

DRMALIKIA
Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.10.04 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: DRMALIKIA on 04/10/2008 23:36:37
Originally by: CCP Fallout After reading Eris Discordia's newest dev blog, you are going to want to run, not walk, to this year's Fan Fest. Attendees will have the opportunity to demo walking in stations, but everyone can get a taste of what's to come by reading Eris Discordia's blog here.
Glad you guys are working your tails off with WIS. But how about finishing the Trinity Part 2 patch? You know, the whole second half of the new graphics content or did you forget about that? CCP is not focused from what I can see, you gents/gals are all over the board each year with your newfangled "Insert Brainstorming Idea of the Year". How about you complete one task, goal, promise, before moving onto other things? Faction Warfare has been a flop in my opinion and a waste of development time that could have been put to good use elsewhere. Where did the final Trinity update disappear too? I want the rest of the Premium content updated instead of a half ass part premium part classic content we are running on right now. You said you were going to do it so, how about an update or a bone tossed our way please.
I link you to the below DEV talking about the second content patch.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=841600 Posted - 2008.08.07 21:49:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Atlas (DEV Team) "The graphics upgrade that started with the Trinity expansion has not been completed yet and it is a massive multi-stage undertaking.
Effects will be completely revamped in an expansion hopefully next year... and it will be awesome."
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=844224&page=2#40 Posted - 2008.08.12 22:17:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Atlas (DEV Team) "Nebula revamp is a part of the ongoing graphics upgrade that started with the Trinity expansion so this is on our schedule... And it's going to be awesome."
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=646016 http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=501
So what the hell gives?
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.10.05 00:14:00 -
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OH HAI GUYZ
Thats how I want to spend my recreation time, living in the same boring hum drum reality I live in now, where I can walk about (without the actual effort of walking) a sound stage from stars wars (or generic sci-fi movie), minus the action and adding a chat window where the art of communication is reduced to a creol of "comedy", abuse and the latest fashion in internet memes.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.05 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ
Thats how I want to spend my recreation time, living in the same boring hum drum reality I live in now, where I can walk about (without the actual effort of walking) a sound stage from stars wars (or generic sci-fi movie), minus the action and adding a chat window where the art of communication is reduced to a creol of "comedy", abuse and the latest fashion in internet memes.
Well thank God you're only one person.
Personally, I know 5-6 people interested in playing EVE, right now, only 2 of us play, the others are holding out for a more immersive experience, which comes in the form of Ambulation. So I can say for me, this is only going to bring more of my good friends in to the game, and I can't see how that's a bad thing. I imagine that many people will find a similar situation with their friends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
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Elisa Day
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:04:00 -
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Quote: ... Open up the internal release for the Fanfest attendees so that for a few days our internal release will be public! We are really looking forward to showing you how far we have come and that it's starting to look like a real game now. We also want to know just how addictive the mini game is, as we are pretty much hooked on it ourselves. We have high hopes for this project, and we want to see what the players think of it so far.
This is not a public beta, or alpha or whatever, because it's still very much in development, but we wanted to share what we have done with the players.
"Public" as in meaning everyone can download it and try?
Because I interpret this passage as the "internal release for the Fanfest attendees" being instead a "public" release.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Davan Sarn . . . I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
As an ex-SWG player myself, two of the things I miss most from that game now that I play Eve instead (which overall is much better than SWG) are being able to walk around (regardless of if there is combat involved), and the crafting/market system. It's good to see that the devs are working on one of those, and I'll keep hoping for the other, too. Sure, one of them is mostly just eye candy . . . but it's still very important to the game for some of us.
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Slinkus Gallentus on 05/10/2008 02:20:44
Originally by: SPIONKOP Not sure the game needs this to be honest.
It a bit like the premium graphics, nice eye candy and I bet it looks good on trailers etc but does it add to the game. Nope, it hammers my performance and quite frankly imho it's add nothing to the game.
I fear the same will apply to the WIS feature. It will look good but after the initial try out, most people will stay locked in their ship to avoid another "session change in progess".
I am sure you folks are putting a lot of effort into it, but not sure Eve needs it.
Hear hear. I didn't join Eve to walk around in stations. It won't add anything to game play. Eve is a space game not a WoW clone.
There's more important issues that need to be ironed out first, like LAAAAAAAAG.
I say you should be concentrating your efforts on eliminating the lag rather than wasting time on gimmickry. cheers
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Shadowsword Nice to have lots of dev blogs now.
Ya but they dont seem to say anything.
... StacklessIO: Meh jita lags something about dreams: Meh boring... so some employees of ccp have less hard of a job. Yippee. eve64; oh thats right not actual player related AT ALL. ...
I'd rather have 1-2 devblogs with something of value in it that actually says something.
You Sir, are more than a bit stupid, aren't you? If you cannot understand what is written in those blogs then you should better shut up.
About Ambulation? Well, certainly a nice project but it has trillions of pitfalls and difficulties. We will see how it will work out.
Most important question is, how many players are allowed to share the same room? Last time I heard something about it (last year fanfest) it was something like 16 or 32? Or maybe my memory fails me and I mix up things.
Another question: will EveTV be there and stream the presentations?
Oh my god. Eve is a GAME.Maybe you should get out once in a while rather than getting ever more pale sitting in your bedroom pretending you have a life.
It really irks me how people jump up and get offended if someone doesn't agree with everything CCP says. Ambulation is a complete an utter waste of time. Right now I can chat to people in the game. Do I really need to see them walking around in their toons rather than a static picture of their face? I think not.
This is just another gimmick by CCP that will add a big fat ZERO to gameplay without addressing the real issues with the game like the pathetic LAAAAAG.
Oh, and go and have a shower once in a while.
cheers
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ
Thats how I want to spend my recreation time, living in the same boring hum drum reality I live in now, where I can walk about (without the actual effort of walking) a sound stage from stars wars (or generic sci-fi movie), minus the action and adding a chat window where the art of communication is reduced to a creol of "comedy", abuse and the latest fashion in internet memes.
Well thank God you're only one person.
Personally, I know 5-6 people interested in playing EVE, right now, only 2 of us play, the others are holding out for a more immersive experience, which comes in the form of Ambulation. So I can say for me, this is only going to bring more of my good friends in to the game, and I can't see how that's a bad thing. I imagine that many people will find a similar situation with their friends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
He isnt one person though. There's plenty of people who see nothing in ambulation. It's a crap gimmick that's not needed in a SPACE GAME.
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:39:00 -
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Yeah, that's what we need. More things to make the system lag and nothing being done about the lag. StacklessIO is a joke. The game still lags.
SORT OUT THE FRIGGING LAG BEFORE YOU ADD MORE STUFF.
You wanna be a carebear go play tiddlywinks.
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.05 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mass Extinction
Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ
Thats how I want to spend my recreation time, living in the same boring hum drum reality I live in now, where I can walk about (without the actual effort of walking) a sound stage from stars wars (or generic sci-fi movie), minus the action and adding a chat window where the art of communication is reduced to a creol of "comedy", abuse and the latest fashion in internet memes.
Well thank God you're only one person.
Personally, I know 5-6 people interested in playing EVE, right now, only 2 of us play, the others are holding out for a more immersive experience, which comes in the form of Ambulation. So I can say for me, this is only going to bring more of my good friends in to the game, and I can't see how that's a bad thing. I imagine that many people will find a similar situation with their friends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
He isnt one person though. There's plenty of people who see nothing in ambulation. It's a crap gimmick that's not needed in a SPACE GAME.
He IS one person. Just like I am one person. We have differing opinions, and there's nothing wrong with that, but what people who don't like ambulation seem to keep missing, is that for every one of them who doesn't like it, there's someone like me who's been waiting 5 years for it. EVE is going to be awesome for those of us who want more than "internet spaceships". People who see nothing in ambulation need to give it a rest, because it's a non-issue for them, they're not going to have to use it, and CCP's not going to pull all their character artists off this and put them into the lag solving problem (engineers). That's like me, as a Graphic Designer, being asked by my boss to figure out why our server's running slow. I wouldn't know where to begin, and our IT guys would just get annoyed that I'm trying to help them with a problem that I know nothing about. I don't understand how this simple concept flies over so many people's heads. CCP's good at what they do, they don't need un-informed players telling them how to do their jobs, or micromanage their game. Let CCP build the game that they invision, and if you don't like it, cancel your account, but my bet is, this will only bring in new accounts, moreso that they'll possibly loose from those few people who are disgruntled and can't see the bigger picture.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 04:45:00 -
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For the last time. Lag is for the most part the players fault. We had multiple fixes of Lag, most of the expansions and practically all of the Hardware Upgrades were because of "Lag".
Imagine Lag is being fixed (again) so that 800 people could have a fleet fight with mininmal lag and no Node crashes? The Alliances like Bunch of Bastards would bring even more people. Then we would have 3000vs4000 Battles and even more whining about Lag.
Personally I am all for Ambulation and any content that does have nothing to do with this so called endgame. Let the useless Lemmings play the Endgame. Their whine tastes sweet and the fun is already elsewhere.
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Sirius Problem
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sirius Problem on 05/10/2008 05:55:30 WOW is a w~anky game, but with around 10 million subscribers, it's a phenomenal business. I can see why CCP would want some of that.
Too bad though. IMO, WiS is a colossal waste of time and resources better spent elsewhere. I can hardly wait for the years of bugs that this is likely to introduce.
And I'm going to be pretty unhappy if WiS forces me to do stupid things like walk around my hanger to fit my ships or anything else that I can do now from the comfort of my pod.
---- Train more. Whine less.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shady's Lady Yeah, that's what we need. More things to make the system lag and nothing being done about the lag. StacklessIO is a joke. The game still lags.
SORT OUT THE FRIGGING LAG BEFORE YOU ADD MORE STUFF.
You wanna be a carebear go play tiddlywinks.
buy a better computer there was a 1000 person fight with a 10th of the lag of before the stackless IO.
you do know low fps isn't lag right?
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:54:00 -
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I still think that unless the *walking in stations* offers something remotely unique, Second Life is still going to pwn this whole WIS thing.  ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.10.05 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sirius Problem Too bad though. IMO, WiS is a colossal waste of time and resources better spent elsewhere. I can hardly wait for the years of bugs that this is likely to introduce.
Yes, they should instead spend those resources working on the engine of a fantasy'ish vampire/werewolf MMO engine!
*HAR* *HAR* *HAR*
Idiots. ^_^
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus It's some carrot+stick kind of thing, isn't it?
Or wait..you're basically telling me: "We're gonna have lotsa fun, AND YOU WON'T BE THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO TIME, LOSER! HA! "

this tbh.
can't wait to have my own "Merc's Haven" strip bar ---
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon For the last time. Lag is for the most part the players fault.
err, no. Maybe you should get a job as a CCP GM because they try and blame their cusmtomers for their lag as well.
Firstly, I dont have a low fps. Secondly, it makes no sense making the requirements to play the game higher as most people arent gamer geeks with no life.
If people who already play eve are told, well, were making updates but you need to buy a faster gfx card/cpu then they will lose customers.
CCP know they have lag issues. They need to deal with it.
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mass Extinction on 05/10/2008 13:39:47
Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Mass Extinction
Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ but what people who don't like ambulation seem to keep missing, is that for every one of them who doesn't like it, there's someone like me who's been waiting 5 years for it.
What people like you dont seem to realise is that this works both ways and for everyone who claims to have been waiting for five years for ambultaion (ie. one person, YOU and no one else) there are many people saying its a waste of time.
Not only that but in this thread more pople seem to be saying dont bother, and thus the evidence seems to make your claim a nonsense.
Secondly, who said anything about pulling graphics artists to sort out server issues? Oh that's right. NO ONE. This is called a strawman argument.
Maybe you should spend some time getting an education before you accuse people of making statements they never made.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 17:41:00 -
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Pyramid Quoting is bad, okay?
Besides, what should CCP do? Stop developing any content, because some whiners, say so? Lag is indeed for the most part caused by player behavior and while I appreciate any changes made to reduce lag, I also have to acknowledge that Lag cannot be fixed that easily, as some people claim here.
Besides there is a good reason why I want Ambulation and why I waited years for something like that.
The Game I want to see one day is a game where players cannot only blow up spaceships, but also can interact with each others on a station. Yes there will be not much at the beginning but CCP can easily expand from there.
How about some kind of first or third person shooter, integrated in the game. Conquering Outposts and Boarding Enemy Ships with an Assault Rifle in your hands?
Or from the start, new kinds of missions that require you to interact with NPC the stations, a complete rework of the entire PvE part where the backstory finally matters?
There are other opportunities to work with Ambulation in a possible future planetary interaction expansion.
I am looking forward to ambulation. Whiners be damned.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.05 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Pyramid Quoting is bad, okay?
Besides, what should CCP do? Stop developing any content, because some whiners, say so? Lag is indeed for the most part caused by player behavior and while I appreciate any changes made to reduce lag, I also have to acknowledge that Lag cannot be fixed that easily, as some people claim here.
Besides there is a good reason why I want Ambulation and why I waited years for something like that.
The Game I want to see one day is a game where players cannot only blow up spaceships, but also can interact with each others on a station. Yes there will be not much at the beginning but CCP can easily expand from there.
How about some kind of first or third person shooter, integrated in the game. Conquering Outposts and Boarding Enemy Ships with an Assault Rifle in your hands?
Or from the start, new kinds of missions that require you to interact with NPC the stations, a complete rework of the entire PvE part where the backstory finally matters?
There are other opportunities to work with Ambulation in a possible future planetary interaction expansion.
I am looking forward to ambulation. Whiners be damned.
QFT
The biggest issue with the whiners is that most of them can't see passed the lag that they somehow manage to find (I've never experienced serious lag, btw, but then again, I avoid Jita and fleet battles.) and comprehend that the game is a lot larger than them, or their silly fleet battles. I honestly believe that there is a substantial portion of the game's population who want to see this, but more importantly, the developers, the owners of the game, think this is worth adding. And I think everyone should at least respect that. If you don't... then leave, it's pretty simple, if you don't agree with the direction of the game, then don't play, so many people forget that they're not being forced to log on, you have a choice.
Torfi Frans Olafsson is my personal hero <3 Torfi
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.10.05 22:02:00 -
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Looking forward to this!
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Rogerano
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 00:04:00 -
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Quote: You leave your captains quarters, take a deep breath and pretend you weren't on the floor covered in goo a few moments ago. It's time to have some fun, be admired, and spend money on women, gambling and booze.
So us "captains" are clearly ultra important. So important and crucial to the ship that we'd subject ourselves to a semi-permanent goo-bath. The only crew member, in fact, so important to need this goo-pod. As important to the ship as a competent CEO is to the management of a contemporary corporation, and just as well paid, apparently.
And yet, there are so many terminally deranged fools flying about. --- Not happy with something in EVE? An emo whine will doubtless help your cause. |

Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.06 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mass Extinction on 06/10/2008 02:21:51 Let's get one thing straight - people who dont't agree with you aren't whiners. This is the typical reply of the terminal game geek who spends their lives kissing CCPs ass in public.
So, you dont encounter lag therefore its not a problem shows an extreme short sightedness as to the fact that not everyone is a carebear and that it affects a large proportion of people.
Who said fixing it was easy? Seems you're quoting someone from your fetid imagination.
Who said stop developing? No one. What was said is that this adds nothing to game play, and that the time would be better spent fixing REAL lag issues, even if YOU don't personally experience them before introducing content that has the potential to cause more lag.
If your head wasn't so far up your ass we might be able to hear the harmonica.
Pyramid quoting? Now who's the whiner?
Tell someone who gives a sh1t.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mass Extinction on 06/10/2008 02:54:12 Let's get one thing straight - people who dont't agree with you aren't whiners. This is the typical reply of the terminal game geek who spends their lives kissing CCPs ass in public. I don't do that, I just give credit where credit is due, lag or not, CCP's made an amazing game, and for that, they get my $15/month and my gratitude.
You dont encounter lag therefore its not a problem shows an extreme short sightedness as to the fact that not everyone is a carebear and that it affects a large proportion of people. And your inability to understand that there are other valid play-styles shows an extreme shortsightedness. People also seem to forget that a lot of the recent patches have specifically been targeted at reducing lag, Ambulation doesn't seem to have delayed those at all. I still don't see why people bother using lag as an anti-ambulation excuse. Seems like a convenient scapegoat to me.
Who said fixing it was easy? Seems you're quoting someone from your fetid imagination. There's a lot of people who play this game, I'm sure someone's said it at some point 
Who said stop developing? No one. What was said is that this adds nothing to game play, and that the time would be better spent fixing REAL and CURRENT issues, even if YOU don't personally experience them before introducing content that has the potential to cause more lag. (Lack of) full body avatars are a real and current issue for me, why is my $15 any less valid than yours? They're obviously spending time fixing lag and developing ambulation, and I'm happy for the people who have been plagued by lag, why do teh hardcorez players have to hate those of us who want ambulation? It's also been stated on more than one occasion that, if anything Ambulation will reduce lag.
What you believe about how many people want this is just that _a belief_. This thread contradicts you as for the most part people posting here don't want it. Like so many believers there is scant evidence to support said beliefs, because if there was some evidence they wouldn't be beliefs but facts. The first Ambulation thread was pretty supporter heavy, I doubt they've gone anywhere, they probably just haven't posted here for whatever reason. Just like I believe that many people are waiting for ambulation, the haters believe that they're right and that nobody wants it. It's a two way street, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I know a lot of people personally who will play the game after ambulation comes out, and that my friend IS a fact 
Why are CCP introducing it? Who knows? They didn't say. Hmm, let me think, maybe it's a gimmick to get more paying customers to swell their profits for no extra gameplay and attract more people from the WoW w@nkfest and their multitude of clones. Maybe it's because a handful of people WHINED loud enough that it wasn't enough like their WoW w@nkfest. Until CCP explain why they are introducing it no one will know. They've stated on numerous occasions that there are multiple reasons for ambulation's development:
- Whitewolf MMO testbed
- Social Environment for Roleplayers
- Draw in new players
- Encourage women to play
Virtual drinking in stations? If this is attractive to you then you seriously need to think about getting a life. I'm actually more interested in designing clothes and role-playing with my friends, "virtual drinking" and minigames are a role-playing mechanic, nothing more. My friends (the 6 that I hang out with outside of the game) and I will thoroughly enjoy hanging out in station during our weekly game nights with our wives.
Pyramid quoting? Tell someone who gives a sh1t. This technically is against forum policy, just FYI.
If your head wasn't so far up your ass we might be able to hear the harmonica. Relax. That was pretty rude.
--- EVE Smugglers
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pillowkitten
Tea Bags
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:12:00 -
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this is horrible.... whoever the devlopers/people are behind this idea, are implementing it, or have anything at all to do with it,..... fire them... right away and put that money toward buying better servers.... wtf
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:37:00 -
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ah another dev blog about a worthless feature ... good that I won't be at the fanfest ... now I know for sure I won't miss anything exciting ...
if you are creating this, please add one usefull feature for everybody: let us see what's around the station. does not need to be like actualy looking through station windows. a small window with tactical overlay like display with ships on the station grid displayed ? so we actualy get usefull info when camped in a staion or similar ? THANKS !!! --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |

Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:49:00 -
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It's funny to see how the introduction of a social feature in EVE brings out the absolute creme de la creme in ******s from the community. The amount of intentional ignorance here is staggering.
CCP, please make sure we get adequate live coverage from fanfest - I'm greatly lookingforward to seeing how far you've come wit this.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mass Extinction Edited by: Mass Extinction on 06/10/2008 02:54:12 Let's get one thing straight - people who dont't agree with you aren't whiners. This is the typical reply of the terminal game geek who spends their lives kissing CCPs ass in public.
You dont encounter lag therefore its not a problem shows an extreme short sightedness as to the fact that not everyone is a carebear and that it affects a large proportion of people.
Who said fixing it was easy? Seems you're quoting someone from your fetid imagination.
Who said stop developing? No one. What was said is that this adds nothing to game play, and that the time would be better spent fixing REAL and CURRENT issues, even if YOU don't personally experience them before introducing content that has the potential to cause more lag.
What you believe about how many people want this is just that _a belief_. This thread contradicts you as for the most part people posting here don't want it. Like so many believers there is scant evidence to support said beliefs, because if there was some evidence they wouldn't be beliefs but facts.
Why are CCP introducing it? Who knows? They didn't say. Hmm, let me think, maybe it's a gimmick to get more paying customers to swell their profits for no extra gameplay and attract more people from the WoW w@nkfest and their multitude of clones. Maybe it's because a handful of people WHINED loud enough that it wasn't enough like their WoW w@nkfest. Until CCP explain why they are introducing it no one will know.
Virtual drinking in stations? If this is attractive to you then you seriously need to think about getting a life.
Pyramid quoting? Tell someone who gives a sh1t.
If your head wasn't so far up your ass we might be able to hear the harmonica.
Terminal Geek right but that is still better then being a little troll, full of bitter hatred.
Oh and I am not a carebear. I just think that super large battles, were you either blobs or the other side blobs or the outcome becomes a coin-toss, a general waste of my time. I did the stuff a few month back, got fed up and decided to take a very long break from this stuff.
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Exus
Smoke and Fly Academy Roids'Are'Us
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Posted - 2008.10.06 08:38:00 -
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Thanks for this CCP. Even if there is not much news in this dev blog... I fully support this idea.
WiS adds more than just a WoW-like avatar system... It will add lots of immersion, more players, more customization, more socialization, more game play.
Wake up from your EvE addiction and look around on what is goin on out of eve...
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:02:00 -
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At least .... 1 or more years later we may be have alot of FPS action .... like FPS assault of NPC bunkers , taking fight when aboarding ensmy ships ... and alot of new skills to learn, alot of new weap and equipment to use :) .... dreams dreams....
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Wedji
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Posted - 2008.10.07 04:01:00 -
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I hope we can have a look out of windows tied realtime to the Flying About in Space (FAiS(tm)) environment to see what's sitting on the undock points - adds a tactical, relevant and justifiable in-game function:
"Hmm, bubble camp eh? Well I'll just go back to my WiS quarters for a fifth spacew@nk for now then."
I'm on fire here. This is a brilliant idea. If windows can be implemented to bridge the two environments it opens up lots of related game content features;
"Just another two days skilling til I've got 'Offensive Gestures IV' then I can start on 'Station Window Mooning'!"
And one final thing - I hope the designers/devs for this walky-about thing have remembered to reflect booster taking in the avatars' expressions. Wide staring eyes, clenched teeth etc. And maybe the shakes when it's about to expire. And if the character has the Station Window Mooning skill, clenched buttocks of course.
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Exus
Smoke and Fly Academy Roids'Are'Us
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:01:00 -
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Technically, WiS and solar systems wont be linked for lag purpose. So having a look at the undock point from a window in the station wont be possible :)
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Wedji
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:50:00 -
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You've made me think about this. The WiS client would only need a small amount of read data (and not even full read at that - only What's Where general info) because there could never be any client-to-server interaction to do with the exterior state of the FAiS(tm) world. And if you make windows not perma-active but only on request (open shutters button) even that data stream needn't be permanent.
Why am I talking about this? I only wanted to moon the bubble campers! :-p
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wedji Why am I talking about this? I only wanted to moon the bubble campers! :-p
A noble endeavor 
I feel like, if SWG can successfully implement portalized objects, and allow players to view space from the windows of ships, CCP can probably do something similar to EVE. But I don't know what kind of technical limitations they're working against.
--- EVE Smugglers
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Tar getinu
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Posted - 2008.10.09 12:25:00 -
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Looking forward to it - keep up the good work - your keeping me interested in the game and my wife loves you guys for it! (something about "at least he is out of the way whilst he is playing it")
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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2008.10.09 15:17:00 -
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For most MMOs, reliant on action, I'd agree that something like WiS would be a waste. In EVE, I'm not so sure ...
I've not been playing long, but I've already met a sizable number of folks who don't fly. They sit around and trade and train. Oh, and socialize.
That's a particularly relevant activity in this game given that it has the most complex economy of any MMO, bar none.
So, I think WiS could be a real boon. Especially if they're able to create games or other past times that could be pursued by folks who are hanging out in the bars, watching their orders, etc. If done right, I think WiS could be a real draw for folks who otherwise wouldn't be too terribly interested in EVE ...
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Gerard Deneth
Caldari Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.10.09 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Davan Sarn
I feel like, if SWG can successfully implement portalized objects, and allow players to view space from the windows of ships, CCP can probably do something similar to EVE. But I don't know what kind of technical limitations they're working against.
Aye... if not a full panoramic window, perhaps some large screens in a bar or docking lounge... Figure you'd have them set in specific directions, mainly looking right out at the undock point and have it feed data like it's a fixed cam...
Perhaps implement it as an invisibile ship or empty parked just at the edge of the station? Given that stations don't move, it should be possible to hardcode such things...
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Vandrieas Katsalas
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Posted - 2008.10.10 07:30:00 -
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I am also looking forward to this feature. Mostly for the potential it has in the future. I think personal combat will be added in the future. Once we're walking about and interacting, I think demand for personal combat will be too strong to ignore. Add to this atmospheric flight, ground vehicles and you will have complete Sci-Fi environment to interact with. I think that CCP is taking an evolutionary apporch to this new direction. First walking, then running, then fighting.
It has been said that this is happening because of the Whitewolf/CCP MMO, well if it is so what! It's a matter of synergy. Developing systems for one game that can be used in another lowers development costs and efficiently utilize resources. As long as the user base of both games benefit, where is the harm in that?
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.10 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/10/2008 09:04:19 Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 10/10/2008 09:00:41
Originally by: Gerome Doutrande
Originally by: Brigsby5987 it will make eve more popular.
Why is that?
Considering the number of times this issue has been talked to death at length, not merely by fans but by dev interviews and independent reviews, I'll merely state that I'm glad that CCP is the group making the design decisions, not the whiners on the forums.
It's pretty obvious as to how it makes EVE more popular - a large segment of the MMO community at large cannot and does not wish to identify with some spaceship that gets blown up in the space of a few hours. They identify with their character. Ambulation enables greater identification, CCP gets more subscribers, CCP gets more money, CCP hires more people, CCP improves EVEs hardware and design so much more than they could have done before.
Of course there are a lot of bored veterans who don't actually play the game any more, sit on forums complaining, for whom EVE is their niche game from when it had 1000 subscribers and really it should only be them and their two friends playing it... Thankfully CCP isn't so selfish or stupid.
Originally by: Mass Extinction Firstly, I dont have a low fps. Secondly, it makes no sense making the requirements to play the game higher as most people arent gamer geeks with no life.
I couldn't stop laughing. By definition, to the rest of the non-gaming world, anyone playing EVE is a gamer geek with no life. Try walking into a real life bar and saying 'hey, I run a corporation in EVE' and see how far you get. Sheesh.
Originally by: Ishina Fel It's funny to see how the introduction of a social feature in EVE brings out the absolute creme de la creme in ******s from the community. The amount of intentional ignorance here is staggering.
Amusing isn't it - and people wonder why EVE's community (particularly the forums) is sometimes slammed for being unhelpful, rude, unpleasant, and anti-social, in a game supposedly designed around being vaguely social. To quote one player 'why should I post anything on the forums, it's a cesspool of rude inept nerds'. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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quave
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Considering the number of times this issue has been talked to death at length, not merely by fans but by dev interviews and independent reviews, I'll merely state that I'm glad that CCP is the group making the design decisions, not the whiners on the forums.
Here here, i couldn't agree more. Ambulation is coming whether you like it or not, if you don't want ambulation it has been clearly stated that it will be completely optional. I on the other hand can't wait for it. |

Scaen
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP I have only ever been to one Fanfest, the 1st one.
They showed a demo of planetary flight. It looked good and had the potentail to add something new to the game. Since then the game has changed so much but as for planatary flight were did it go?
I would also like to hear what happened to planetary flight idea. Is it dropped or maybe it will come in line for development one day, maybe even after WiS? Simple "Idea is dropped/delayed/in development" would be enough :)
About WiS: nice addition to EVE that will even more broad already waste aspects of gameplay in this greatest of all games. |

KInkamache
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:43:00 -
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wow i think this is a great improve to what it is a great game, this walking in the station feature will allow us to party up in stations and have Corporation meetings and get the best of the galaxy (woman). I personally will get me a amarr chick cant go wrong with this. Ah the beer part is great too, going to have to pirate to make money for the beer. Honestly this is a great improve to the game Bump for CCP
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Faille Facetinea
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:18:00 -
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Hello players and developers,
I was thinking, and hoping, that Walk in station was not the limit of the EVE universe. WiS sounds like a great start but in my mind there is quite alot of unused and or unexplored potential in EVE depending on how far and wide the community and company would like to see EVE`s potential expand. Every single solar system has stations and asteroid belts and deadspace pockets to play in and around which is great and the number of systems is incredible but there is one almost totally unexplored area in EVE that I see as having huge potential, that area being all of the moons and planets which have almost no use in the game at this time other than moon mining. There is huge potential for on planet mining either with landers or player driven vehicles. The lander version being easier and possibly only a mini game and the player driven vehicles a bit more cmplicated due to graphics environment either or both would give miners other places to go other than cluttering belts. these are but a few thoughts I have had on where expansion could go in the future and I hope it seems interesting to players and developers alike.
Caldari pilot Faille Facetinea
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clhawks
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:29:00 -
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Yes itÆs all very exciting but I have yet to hear of an ETA on the first initial release.
Late 08 or early 09 or will it just fade away like Atmospheric Flight. 
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: clhawks Yes itÆs all very exciting but I have yet to hear of an ETA on the first initial release.
Late 08 or early 09 or will it just fade away like Atmospheric Flight. 
During or after the Fanfest we will get a bit more info and perhaps even an ETA.
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Ahimsaka
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ahimsaka on 11/10/2008 21:32:01
Originally by: Davan Sarn DO WANT.
I'm very much looking forward to this addition, it's one of the primary reasons that I'm back in the game, and 4 people followed me back. This is going to be a roleplayers dream.
One thing I'm still wondering about, and haven't yet found any more info on, is clothing, more specifically, what kind of options will we have, will we be restricted to only our races clothing? bloodline? Will it be tied to a skill (Diplomacy)? Or will we be able to wear whatever we want? This is an important thing for RPers, and I can see all three viewpoints. Personally, I'm for the skill based approach or the everybody can wear everything approach.
The other thing I've been wondering, is weapons. There will obviously be no combat, but I think it was E-ON #6 that mentioned the possibility of decorative weapons to go on the avatars as accessories. I like this idea, I'm just wondering if it'll actually happen or not.
Can't wait to see some videos from FanFest! I'm counting down the days.
"...so yeah, I finally finished Quantum Physics V! But next I am going to switch over to to skilling Buttons and Zippers to III so I can finally put on my new pants. I'm not going to even dream of skilling for Ties, that's a rank 8 skill. I'll just wear a clip on tie, since that'll only take two days once I learn Getting Dressed V..."
I realize you were talking about diplo skills, but skilling to wear clothes sounds positively obsurd to me(and frankly waaay too much like the armor concept).
Perhaps you get certain clothing based on accomplishments (FW). MVP hat. "I Eat <x> Faction For Breakfast" shirt. "I killed and podded <X> 10 times!" knitted sweater.
Maybe epeen ego shirts could be released. "My other Titan is parked outside...".
There could be bondage equipment sold at Minmatar stations to go with the leather suits that so many seem to wear.
Or as a gift (skills for that.. fine, give industrial people the option to work on their closet fashon/trinket fetish)... Rock the "World's Best CEO" mug.
Or it could be location! I heart Jita t-shirts to prove you survived the lag!
I don't know... WiS imo will bring a new feeling to the game, and customization is fine... but if I have to skill for clothing, then I'm just not getting dressed. Straight from the showers to the bar for this guy!
My biggest question is will it run for people with dated or underpowered machines? OR will it be content like the graphic update, only to be used by those with higher end hardware or time to lag about?
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Vandrieas Katsalas
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Posted - 2008.10.12 01:58:00 -
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Aside from the MMO testbed reason this may also be influencing the Walk in station feature
Quote: Surface, Shipboard and Deep Space Adventures: Command your vessel in thrilling space battles, or beam down to planets with your away team for face-to-face confrontations. Missions will take you and your friends into space, planetside and even inside starships!
This is from another website for a Sci-Fi based MMO that is planned for release in 2009/2010. EVE is headed for some stiffer competition than SWG. WIS is a necessary step for them to remain competative.
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Madame Oblivion
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Posted - 2008.10.12 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mass Extinction Firstly, I dont have a low fps. Secondly, it makes no sense making the requirements to play the game higher as most people arent gamer geeks with no life.
I couldn't stop laughing. By definition, to the rest of the non-gaming world, anyone playing EVE is a gamer geek with no life. Try walking into a real life bar and saying 'hey, I run a corporation in EVE' and see how far you get. Sheesh.
I think you kind of missed the point there mate. I think what he is saying is that most people dont run a gamer computer with big graphics cards, fast HDDs, and superfast CPUs, that cost silly money. The clue was in the bit where he said it makes no sense raising the hardware requirements to play the game.
Why do you think premium graphics is an optional download rather than the only option? Because premium graphics takes an awful lot of extra processing that most people simply dont have because they have an average home PC that they use for other things than playing Eve.
Therefore I think this is a legitimate point even if some of his other points were a bit OTT and made forcefully. If ambulation means the average gamer has to buy more hardware to run it then CCP will lose custom.
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Madame Oblivion
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Posted - 2008.10.12 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mass Extinction Ranting is not permitted on the forums. ~Saint
Hmm, would've been interesting for others to see what was actually said rather than after the fact censorship that only hides it from people who joined the thread late.
Also, it begs the question of defining what is ranting and what isn't. The post may have had many legitimate points despite the way it was posted.
Personally, I think censorship is bad form and CCP shouldn't do it. By all means have words with the poster or even ****** out the rude bits, but to censor the whole post is a little OTT in my humble opinion.
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Falaricae
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Posted - 2008.10.12 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Madame Oblivion
Originally by: Mass Extinction Ranting is not permitted on the forums. ~Saint
Hmm, would've been interesting for others to see what was actually said rather than after the fact censorship that only hides it from people who joined the thread late.
Also, it begs the question of defining what is ranting and what isn't. The post may have had many legitimate points despite the way it was posted.
Personally, I think censorship is bad form and CCP shouldn't do it. By all means have words with the poster or even ****** out the rude bits, but to censor the whole post is a little OTT in my humble opinion.
There's enough PC nonsense in the world without it being introduced here too! 
He was ranting and saying not so nice things to people, so he was moderated. If you want to know his super secret ultimate post of doom then go to EVE-search and look it up yourself.
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4pple 5eed
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Posted - 2008.10.12 21:11:00 -
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I don't know why so many people are up in arms about this, CCP clearly states that ambulation is optional, so if you don't like this option then don't use it, no one is forcing you. And chances are they will separate the WiS part of the game out from the spaceflight part so you wont be experiencing lag while in space due to a lot of avatars walking around in various stations in the system you're in. So RELAX this isn't going to kill the game, just change it. I mean I don't see people who don't like to mine complaining about the existence of mining in the game because it makes the game boring. That would be silly because you aren't required to mine if you don't want to, so if you arent into mining, that aspect of gameplay doesn't affect you.
Besides this has the potential to add a whole plethora of gameplay options to EVE. I'd like to see gambling implemented as an extra source of income. Maybe even the ability to open small shops inside of stations that allows players to run a business without having to start/join a corp or stake claim to a POS. You could add skills like pickpocketing to make some extra spending cash, and possibly other mini games for money/fun. There is the possibility to go into occupations that don't require blowing billions of ISK on a ship and equipment to fly and arm it. Perhaps working as an assassin or mercenary. Frankly the possibilities with ambulation are almost endless, and i do see combat as an inevitability since it is already apparent that most people want it.
As far as popularity goes this only has the ability to improve things. Adding the ability to customise your characters' appearance and whatnot will attract a lot of RPGers, my girlfriend for instance is a big fan of Pirates of the Carribean and plays it a lot. She encountered a lot of sexism and flak because she was a girl so i tried to get her to play EVE, but it didn't appeal to her and she was surprised by the lack of ambulation. So she went back to playing pirates in spite of her troubles.
Also the mention of women gets me to wondering if there will be some kind of sexual content in the game, maybe strippers or something. I'm sure that option will silence a lot of detractors(and create a whole group of new ones). Just a thought.
Oh as for lag, i think that EVE has a remarkable lack of lag since it's all on one server and its located in iceland. I live in southern California and if I were to play counterstrike on an iceland server I would have a hard time NOT having lag. Plus i'd like to see a WoW or everquest server handle 20000 players as smoothly as EVE does. Also as far as hardware requirements goes actually the reality is that new games are constantly requiring players to upgrade their hardware to be able to play them. Think of Crysis or Bioshock, as I recall when Bioshock came out it required systems to have pixelshader of 2.0 (or 3.0?) which was not present on the majority of video cards currently in use at the time. In spite of this both of these games have been commercial successes, so I don't see CCP being scared of increasing system requirements.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.13 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ahimsaka Edited by: Ahimsaka on 11/10/2008 21:32:01 "...so yeah, I finally finished Quantum Physics V! But next I am going to switch over to to skilling Buttons and Zippers to III so I can finally put on my new pants. I'm not going to even dream of skilling for Ties, that's a rank 8 skill. I'll just wear a clip on tie, since that'll only take two days once I learn Getting Dressed V..."
I realize you were talking about diplo skills, but skilling to wear clothes sounds positively obsurd to me(and frankly waaay too much like the armor concept).
Perhaps you get certain clothing based on accomplishments (FW). MVP hat. "I Eat <x> Faction For Breakfast" shirt. "I killed and podded <X> 10 times!" knitted sweater.
Maybe epeen ego shirts could be released. "My other Titan is parked outside...".
There could be bondage equipment sold at Minmatar stations to go with the leather suits that so many seem to wear.
Or as a gift (skills for that.. fine, give industrial people the option to work on their closet fashon/trinket fetish)... Rock the "World's Best CEO" mug.
Or it could be location! I heart Jita t-shirts to prove you survived the lag!
I don't know... WiS imo will bring a new feeling to the game, and customization is fine... but if I have to skill for clothing, then I'm just not getting dressed. Straight from the showers to the bar for this guy!
My biggest question is will it run for people with dated or underpowered machines? OR will it be content like the graphic update, only to be used by those with higher end hardware or time to lag about?
I don't think you got what I was asking 100% I'm not wondering if it will require a skill to button buttons, or create buttons, I'm more curious if clothing restrictions will be based on race or faction (if there are any restrictions), and if so, if there will be skills that allow us to don other race's clothing. I merely mused that I could see Diplomacy used in that role. I do agree that needing skills to equip clothing would be ridiculous this is more like, needing skills to wear a race's fashion style.
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Togen Lei
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Posted - 2008.10.13 07:46:00 -
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I to am interested to see ambulation. I see it as an evolutionary first step in continuous improvements in the game, retracters of the idea just want to pilot their ships in space and don't want to roleplay their characters. That's fine, but there is a large number of players that like the RPG portion of games, as mentioned earlier in this thread there are some players whom play the game to run Corps, not pilot their ships in any way (or at least with minimum flight times). This expansion will be a nice addition for them, and for any fan of RPG in general as it will add a whole new aspect to the game, with potential to add so much more depth to an already pretty complex game. If you want to simply fly your ships and mine, pirate, trade, or fight faction battles then do so. I haven't seen a single thread that has the people that choose to pay $15 a month to run a Corp and not do all those other things complain about the lag caused by people flying through the system they're attempting to work in. And as for the lag issue, I'd challenge anyone to find a MMO game that has 500 plus players on a single server engaging in a single battle without lag. I've heard others talking about 1000+ players in a single battle in Eve with minimum lag....1000 that's more players than many games have on a single server, so instead of complaining that you had lag when you were in a massive battle maybe you should thank CCP for allowing that many people to be in the same battle. I know there is 1 tried and true way to keep the battle lag from affecting all but the slowest PC's....limit the number of players allowed to join any battle. CCP doesn't do that, they make every attempt to make the battles enjoyable for as many as they can. And before I get the "you're just a carebear sucking up to CCP" I'm not, I have played numerous MMO's for well over a decade and thus far Eve is by far the biggest I've ever played, and the lowest lag for the most players. Technology is only as good as those that implement it, and CCP seems to be doing a decent job of implementation.
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Shady''s Lady on 13/10/2008 11:05:52
Originally by: Falaricae
He was ranting and saying not so nice things to people, so he was moderated. If you want to know his super secret ultimate post of doom then go to EVE-search and look it up yourself.
I saw it before it was moderated. Made me laugh more than anything but I think he had one or two valid points. But, nuff said...
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shady''s Lady on 13/10/2008 11:12:28 I dont really see the point of it. Can't see it adding much to gameplay. I spend most of my time in space doing one thing or another. Strikes me as a purely cosmetic feature like premium graphics (which I don't use either).
If I wanted to do fashion I'd buy a new cindy doll. 
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shady''s Lady on 13/10/2008 11:22:08
Originally by: 4pple 5eed
Also the mention of women gets me to wondering if there will be some kind of sexual content in the game, maybe strippers or something. I'm sure that option will silence a lot of detractors(and create a whole group of new ones). Just a thought.
As long as they're male strippers.
What's up? Don't seem like such a good idea eh? Funny you should mention the sexism your GF encounters in PotC, and then say this......
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shady's Lady Edited by: Shady''s Lady on 13/10/2008 11:12:28 I dont really see the point of it. Can't see it adding much to gameplay. I spend most of my time in space doing one thing or another. Strikes me as a purely cosmetic feature like premium graphics (which I don't use either).
If I wanted to do fashion I'd buy a new cindy doll. 
Based on your comments, I'd guess that you're the kind of gamer who'd be happy if there were no graphics at all, just a text interface I could be wrong though.
Some people don't care for fancy graphics, and that's fine. I'm a Graphic Designer and Artist, and for me, the better it looks, the more eye-candy and fluff, the better, it helps me immerse myself in the game.
I don't understand the people who don't like visual improvements, and likewise, I'm sure most of you don't understand me, but that's the beauty of being human, we embrace our differences, otherwise life would be boring :D
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Rumba Purring
Gravis Unbound
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Posted - 2008.10.13 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Shady's Lady Edited by: Shady''s Lady on 13/10/2008 11:12:28 I dont really see the point of it. Can't see it adding much to gameplay.
and for me, the better it looks, the more eye-candy and fluff, the better, it helps me immerse myself in the game.
I don't understand the people who don't like visual improvements, and likewise, I'm sure most of you don't understand me, but that's the beauty of being human, we embrace our differences, otherwise life would be boring :D
Amen to beautiful eye-candies. I spend so many hours staring at the game. It might as well be beautiful. (If one compares EVE to a movie, why watch a movie with sub-par production value special effects?)
Also, I think WiS will change player corp social dynamics. It will bring people who like full avatar interaction closer to a specific location in the EVE universe. Would you be ready if the gravity reversed itself? |

Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rumba Purring
Amen to beautiful eye-candies. I spend so many hours staring at the game. It might as well be beautiful. (If one compares EVE to a movie, why watch a movie with sub-par production value special effects?)
Also, I think WiS will change player corp social dynamics. It will bring people who like full avatar interaction closer to a specific location in the EVE universe.
If we're going to compare Eve to movies based on the graphical content and top notch movie special effects lets hope they dont do a Hollywood on it and forget to put a decent story in there somewhere. For me if a film has to rely on special effects to make it good then the writing is usually crap.
Think about Red Dwarf. When it was low-budget it was brilliant. When America got hold of it they made it all graphically great but forgot to write any decent storylines.
From my perspectuve game developemt should focus on the gaming. As I said above, and you all seem to be agreeing, is that it won't add to game play. It's a cosmetic feature.
I hope that it won't be a compulsory feature, because if I am forced to get out of my pod between missions or when changing/refitting ship during PvP then it won't be usfeul to me in any way.
I don't really care if my outfit makes my bum look big.
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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CCP Eris Discordia

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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:35:00 -
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There will be gameplay in WiS but it will be social gameplay and not make you better at flying a spaceship directly. People who dislike any gameplay when it isn't combat might not enjoy WiS as much as people who do like other types of games, but then again isn't there plenty of combat to be found in EVE already?
We know some players won't like WiS and others will probably love it, but this is the case with any new feature. I'm interested to hear what people look forward to most, or what would make a hardcore pirate warm up to the idea of WiS (aside from knife fights, pocket rockets and laserz).
These are the type of questions we ask when we design WiS 
Also in case you were wondering with the fall of the krone this is the best time to visit iceland, beer is affordable and you could even bring your SO to enjoy icelandic adventures, see the northern lights etc. Loads of people are doing their shopping in iceland while before iceland did its shopping in other countries. Crazy!
So even if you have no intention of attending fanfest but were always curious about iceland as a destination (the country is stunning) this is a good time to visit 
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:48:00 -
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will there be weed to smoke in it because I've made a gimmick for years out of smoking weed in my cheetah and if people can actually see me they must see me smoking weed
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Rumba Purring
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shady's Lady
Think about Red Dwarf. When it was low-budget it was brilliant. When America got hold of it they made it all graphically great but forgot to write any decent storylines.
From my perspectuve game developemt should focus on the gaming. As I said above, and you all seem to be agreeing, is that it won't add to game play. It's a cosmetic feature.
I agree that poor content makes a poor game. However, you can't tell me you don't enjoy good graphics.
The original 'Red Dwarf' is an interesting case. Good writing, original situations. But poor effects were too distracting for me to stick with the show. There are plenty of good stuff with both good writing and good production value. There's only so much time.
As for the quality of EVE graphics, the premium content was compelling enough for me to get a dedicated PC to enjoy it. I guess it's like building a high def home theater to enjoy good movies even more. So, CCP, keep them coming!
Am I too shallow for wanting EVE to look beautiful? Possibly. But then again, I'm not exactly expecting a space MMO to educate me on the meaning of life. What I want is a good looking and engaging entertainment, and EVE delivers so far.
But if looks of EVE were to fall too far behind other games, I probably would probably stop logging in. (Don't ask for my stuff. I already have have friends to give my stuff to, if I quit, and they are not on this forum. )
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:47:00 -
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Moonmonkey
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia There will be gameplay in WiS but it will be social gameplay and not make you better at flying a spaceship directly. People who dislike any gameplay when it isn't combat might not enjoy WiS as much as people who do like other types of games, but then again isn't there plenty of combat to be found in EVE already?
We know some players won't like WiS and others will probably love it, but this is the case with any new feature. I'm interested to hear what people look forward to most, or what would make a hardcore pirate warm up to the idea of WiS (aside from knife fights, pocket rockets and laserz).
It would be nice if there was some stations in with you could fight for control. A few stations in the Faction Warfare systems would be rather fun.
Besides that the only thing about walking in the station that im interested in, is being able to see and get a feel for the scale of the different ship types.
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Broutte Minou
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:28:00 -
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its as simple as that ! feeling the scale of things in the game ! good point here :)
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rumba Purring
I agree that poor content makes a poor game. However, you can't tell me you don't enjoy good graphics.
The graphics in Eve are fine where they are. Ships look good. Explosions look good. Planets looks good. Structures look good.
I don't know how long you've been in the game but when I started in March 2007, the graphics were good then too. They've improved them slightly since then, but the graphics didn't add any extra gameplay as far as I can see.
Quote: The original 'Red Dwarf' is an interesting case. Good writing, original situations. But poor effects were too distracting for me to stick with the show. There are plenty of good stuff with both good writing and good production value. There's only so much time.
There were hardly any effects in it at all. Sure the ones they did use weren't state of the art but the storylines were brilliant. You didn't feel like you were suffering from lack of graphical detail. In fact the writers were good enough to make humour out of the poor graphics when there were any. It was part of the charm of the program. We're digressing here though I guess....
Quote: As for the quality of EVE graphics, the premium content was compelling enough for me to get a dedicated PC to enjoy it. I guess it's like building a high def home theater to enjoy good movies even more. So, CCP, keep them coming!
I upgraded my computer as well, but I think personally I wasted my money.
Quote: Am I too shallow for wanting EVE to look beautiful? Possibly. But then again, I'm not exactly expecting a space MMO to educate me on the meaning of life. What I want is a good looking and engaging entertainment, and EVE delivers so far.
It does for me too. The problem is if you need higher spec PCs to play it then there will be less people playing it.
Quote: But if looks of EVE were to fall too far behind other games, I probably would probably stop logging in. ..... But that's just me.
I can't see them falling far behind with the quality as it right now. Not unless someone suddenly comes out with a 3D game that actually looks like 3D.
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.14 16:21:00 -
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Honestly Shady, to stay competitive in the game market and most importantly, attract new players, CCP believes they have to stay on top of graphics and keep things fresh, it's just good business sense. EverQuest is still around, but it's not growing by leaps and bounds, partly because the game hasn't been freshened up lately. I'm trying to look at this objectively. As a company who has had steady subscriber growth for the past 5 years, I trust them to make the right decisions on how to grow the game, and what will bring in new players.
But as I understand it, for those who don't want premium graphics, or ambulation, you can stick with the classic client, no harm, no foul. Classic EVE for those who want it, and Premium with Ambulation for those of us who want to experience this dark science fiction epic to it's fullest :D
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:05:00 -
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walking in stations will be great if it includes ganja but so far I have not received any confirmation: WATCH THIS SPACE Signature removed. Text is showing as "Signature no longer available" and filesize is well in excess of the allowed 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |

Booomer
Disco Biscuits
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Posted - 2008.10.15 10:17:00 -
[125]
will it fix lag, node crashes, lag, node crashes, lag, node crashes, lag, node crashes, sloppy CCP customer service, among other 'Features' of todays eve?
Doubt it.
But yeah, it will look great on a advertisement.
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Liranan
M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.10.15 12:33:00 -
[126]
Thank you, CCP, for using us as guinea pigs for your World of Darkness MMO. I do not want this Ambulation nonsense and do not support it. Farjung is my God
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ahimsaka Edited by: Ahimsaka on 11/10/2008 21:32:01
Originally by: Davan Sarn DO WANT.
I'm very much looking forward to this addition, it's one of the primary reasons that I'm back in the game, and 4 people followed me back. This is going to be a roleplayers dream.
One thing I'm still wondering about, and haven't yet found any more info on, is clothing, more specifically, what kind of options will we have, will we be restricted to only our races clothing? bloodline? Will it be tied to a skill (Diplomacy)? Or will we be able to wear whatever we want? This is an important thing for RPers, and I can see all three viewpoints. Personally, I'm for the skill based approach or the everybody can wear everything approach.
The other thing I've been wondering, is weapons. There will obviously be no combat, but I think it was E-ON #6 that mentioned the possibility of decorative weapons to go on the avatars as accessories. I like this idea, I'm just wondering if it'll actually happen or not.
Can't wait to see some videos from FanFest! I'm counting down the days.
"...so yeah, I finally finished Quantum Physics V! But next I am going to switch over to to skilling Buttons and Zippers to III so I can finally put on my new pants. I'm not going to even dream of skilling for Ties, that's a rank 8 skill. I'll just wear a clip on tie, since that'll only take two days once I learn Getting Dressed V..."
I realize you were talking about diplo skills, but skilling to wear clothes sounds positively obsurd to me(and frankly waaay too much like the armor concept).
Perhaps you get certain clothing based on accomplishments (FW). MVP hat. "I Eat <x> Faction For Breakfast" shirt. "I killed and podded <X> 10 times!" knitted sweater.
Maybe epeen ego shirts could be released. "My other Titan is parked outside...".
There could be bondage equipment sold at Minmatar stations to go with the leather suits that so many seem to wear.
Or as a gift (skills for that.. fine, give industrial people the option to work on their closet fashon/trinket fetish)... Rock the "World's Best CEO" mug.
Or it could be location! I heart Jita t-shirts to prove you survived the lag!
I don't know... WiS imo will bring a new feeling to the game, and customization is fine... but if I have to skill for clothing, then I'm just not getting dressed. Straight from the showers to the bar for this guy!
My biggest question is will it run for people with dated or underpowered machines? OR will it be content like the graphic update, only to be used by those with higher end hardware or time to lag about?
Forget tieing it to skills... use standings instead. -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.15 16:52:00 -
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ME WANTS AMBULATION
... but that Dev Blog did not tell me anything I didn't already know: Those going to fan fest can try out WiS.
I was hoping for some new info. 
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Freezehunter
Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 17:52:00 -
[129]
Freakin' A!

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Mark Starkiller
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.16 11:53:00 -
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I am looking forward to WiS, because lot of time (when not on some alliance op or fleet fight) i just sit in station and chat with friends. So it will be more interesting i guess i can see them...
Will wis be introduced this year, next summer or winter? .
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Zukira Al'Kalish
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Posted - 2008.10.16 14:24:00 -
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I, for one, am really excited for this feature.
It looks like a lot of people don't understand, though, that no matter how much people cry and moan and complain about ambulation, it's still coming.
It's obvious at this point that CCP wants it, and incase people have lost sight of this simple, yet integral fact, I'll say it again: This is CCP's world... the world of their Devs. We're visiting. THEY get to decide what we get. We can ask them to consider things, but in the final straw, if THEY want it, we'll get it.
Also, if you're going to complain about the potential of "being forced to use ambulation" you should really do that "reading" thing I hear so much about and try reading up some information on it. It's best to argue your point after researching it... especially in this case, because you'll quickly find your point of not wanting to be forced into something is completely moot.
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DogTyred
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:12:00 -
[132]
Originally by: CCP Fallout After reading Eris Discordia's newest dev blog, you are going to want to run, not walk, to this year's Fan Fest. quote]
Will running be allowed after the speed nerf ?
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Anig Browl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.17 00:12:00 -
[133]
Originally by: DogTyred
Will running be allowed after the speed nerf ?
Epic win!
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:47:00 -
[134]
Has anyone seen the Walking in Station Demo on the Fanfest yet and give some Information?
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Miriam Andrea
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Posted - 2008.11.27 11:40:00 -
[135]
I belive EvE wil benefit from implementing the WiS, there are many RP related players screaming for a more social form to comunicate than to look at a face in a chatbox. I am looking forward to see what doors this will open for the RP players. EvE is the moste genius made game I have ever played, but I have missed the posibility to walk around and sctually meet people. Sorry for my lack of flawless writing. 
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Hiro Yashi
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Posted - 2008.11.28 03:43:00 -
[136]
Looking forward to it personally. might be some fun. Will we get the chance to edit our characters face/body etc when WIS goes live? Forest Casual, for the leafy gent. |

Azmor
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: clhawks Yes it’s all very exciting but I have yet to hear of an ETA on the first initial release.
Late 08 or early 09 or will it just fade away like Atmospheric Flight. 
During or after the Fanfest we will get a bit more info and perhaps even an ETA.
I think we are all arguing over nothing!. In all the interviews, all the forums, all the videos and trailers I have seen, there is absolutely NO information about WHEN this is coming out.
It was first mentioned about 2 years ago and the ETA was around the end of 2008. Well, it is "end of 2008" now and unfortunately, this seems that it will take the same course as Atmospheric Flight.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:25:00 -
[138]
From the EVE Drawingboard:
Quote: Planetary Governor
The probable first step for planetary interaction, where you can manage planets from a Station or other suitable structure. Planetary Explorer
This would feature flying over planets and interacting with the planetary surface. This will likely follow on from Simple Planetary Interaction. Planetary Commander
Planetary RTS or other hybrid game form. Yarr. The long-term crazy professor phase of planetary interaction.
Some types of planetary interaction have at least found their way to the Drawingboard. Of course, this no guarantee that we will ever see the feature and if it comes it will likely come out, after WiS.
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Key west
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Posted - 2008.11.29 19:25:00 -
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WOW...... I guess that pretty much says what EVE is turning into...
Nice missile nerf Nice speed nerf Appreciate totally ignoring all the complaints about the ghost lies.
I suppose CCP is hiring all the wow employees to handle their PR.
Maybe now with all the actual battle nerfing we can all just walk around in stations wearing PRETTY costumes like WOW.
We gonna be able to cast spells and call on little evil space demons to attack our WTS?
I'm so done with this game. Can't wait until my subscriptions run dry.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:15:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Key west WOW...... I guess that pretty much says what EVE is turning into...
Nice missile nerf Nice speed nerf Appreciate totally ignoring all the complaints about the ghost lies.
I suppose CCP is hiring all the wow employees to handle their PR.
Maybe now with all the actual battle nerfing we can all just walk around in stations wearing PRETTY costumes like WOW.
We gonna be able to cast spells and call on little evil space demons to attack our WTS?
I'm so done with this game. Can't wait until my subscriptions run dry.
Epic-Failtroll is not epic. Please give your stuff and leave quietly.
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Key west
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:27:00 -
[141]
Oh... look.... another BOB/WOW nooblet player who wants everything given. 
Hmmm... actually I prefer to bio and grind everything. CCP can't use me as a number for advertisments that way.
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Jenna Malone
Caldari W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2008.12.01 00:28:00 -
[142]
Is there an actual timeframe? Because until now, it was always supposed to be released in the current year. Which it obviously won't.
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Zanpt
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.02 12:23:00 -
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The devblog said that attendees of Fanfest would get their hands on WiS. I haven't seen any indication that that actually happened. I downloaded the vids and saw nothing interesting about WiS. Yes, Torfi is an entertaining speaker (when he's not lying through his teeth about unsubbed training), but I'm not paying monthly subscriptions on nine accounts to be entertained by a speaker.
So... what happened to the plan to show off WiS at Fanfest?
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Erdiere
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.02 16:01:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Zanpt The devblog said that attendees of Fanfest would get their hands on WiS. I haven't seen any indication that that actually happened. I downloaded the vids and saw nothing interesting about WiS. Yes, Torfi is an entertaining speaker (when he's not lying through his teeth about unsubbed training), but I'm not paying monthly subscriptions on nine accounts to be entertained by a speaker.
So... what happened to the plan to show off WiS at Fanfest?
As far as I understand it, you did get to test ambulation on the fanfest, but there was a request to not to film/photograph those sessions. Maybe someone who actually visited the fanfest could tell if this really happened or was the promise that was made about it by the female in the torfi presentation also a blatant lie. 
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Azmor
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Posted - 2008.12.02 18:28:00 -
[145]
I am not doupting the fact that there was a WiS demo at the fanfest. Even if there was though it doesn't say much as to how far is it in production. It could be a simple alpha with just 5 rooms.
The question is.. is this alpha going to turn into a final product quite soon as the promised on several occasions, or are they just using it as a an advertisement.
And just for the record...late 2009 is NOT soon.
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Coulee Reese
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Posted - 2008.12.04 19:32:00 -
[146]
Who needs any Graphic enhancement just for the sake of being visually superior? How silly!! I don't use premium graphics either. I also have a monochrome monitor, a B/W TV and if I do watch a movie on video (new fangled geegaws) I watch it on VHS tape. I also have the same clothes since 1983, and never bath or shower. Really who cares about appearance? It doesn't had content to me! I am the same person. I also would never waste money painting my house and am quite satisfied with the looks of my filthy greenish-yellow 1977 AMC Matador, thank you.
So away with this talk of visually enhancing EVE. It looks great to me at 9 FPS!!!
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Augustin Lassard
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Posted - 2008.12.09 20:12:00 -
[147]
Originally by: james126 sounds fairly dull to me, unless you tell me i can kill people in it.
I concur. Having the ability to waste someone in a station would be fantastic and the only reason I would want to get out of my ship.
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Billy1
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Posted - 2008.12.10 12:27:00 -
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Nice to see that the role players secret wishes are being catered for.
Now how about catering for those of us who think that ambulation is only potentially of use if we can use station services, or more importantly, can use ambulation to kill aforementioned role players?
Don't get me wrong, I am genuinely happy for those that get joygasms from taking a game as a facet of real life. I just think that, as EVE is a game that focuses on combat in one form or another (ship to ship/market/alliances/etc), we should have the option of dragging them into a dark alley, and kicking them insensible (and stealing their stuff), just like when they stray too close to low sec or 0.0.
Of course, those of us like me would take no enjoyment from said kickings, it would be just another facet of gameplay to explore, honest! 
C'mon CCP, ambulation yes, but functionalambulation, make it useful, not just pretty for the sake of being pretty. And lets face it, if you give people the possibility of a screenshot of their character teabagging someone they can't stand, a lot more people may be inclined to use it. 
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Aiko Thermopile
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Posted - 2008.12.10 13:33:00 -
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I'm looking forward to being able to walk through stations. Any ways to customize my avatar with clothing, maybe a different hairstyle and a face job ;) would be welcome. It adds a sense of ownership and gives you more to do than just blast, blast, kill, crash, maim, burn everything smaller than you. If it takes a good PC, so be it.
To a point I agree that we need some more content, like AI in missions, more interesting missions etc, 90% of the players live in the Empire space and they need content. The good news is that this content is coming up as well, so I'm really looking forward to T3 ships, modular ships and new missions. Eve rules!
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Sassaniak
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Posted - 2008.12.10 15:43:00 -
[150]
um has anyone noticed that some peoples corpses are like 300m/3? thats huge! ambulation will only have fat people, not really something i need to see, Ps Speed nerf is waddling, will a Bs pilot only be able to go 93.7 m/s vs a frigate pilot 3km/s? I sort of figure a frig pilot will be slimmer, but its not always true
Combat Notice: Tripping Does 2276 damage to you.
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Manos Soban
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Posted - 2008.12.20 10:36:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Augustin Lassard
Originally by: james126 sounds fairly dull to me, unless you tell me i can kill people in it.
I concur. Having the ability to waste someone in a station would be fantastic and the only reason I would want to get out of my ship.
No, no and again no. I am really excited to walk in station but i am not going to lose my character due to campers
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SgtRaider
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Posted - 2008.12.27 01:10:00 -
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Why no screen shots anywhere, I can not find anything on this site about it? I had to go to another site to see video ie: youtube to see what is was like. I am looking forward to it, but when is it coming, 3 months, 6 months? Let me know where I can see more about it and not have to read all this $&)# to get nothing from it but people do and do not want this addition.
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Azmor
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Posted - 2008.12.27 15:18:00 -
[153]
SgtRaider
go to Downloads>EVE Videos>Fanfest 2008 and download the videos: Walking in station and World domination. Everything you need is in there. Unfortunately there is now mention when WiS is coming out..
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.03 17:38:00 -
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EvE like most MMOs is simply a chat room with entertainment. Ambulation is just one more entertaining aspect of EvE. As long as it adds minimal time i.e. it doesnt take 5 minutes to walk from office to the docks. I am for it.. If I am forced to blow 15 minutes everytime I dock.. then this aspect should be revised so that I can rclick and enter ship from anywhere in the station.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Kronossan
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Posted - 2009.02.12 20:55:00 -
[155]
I have an idea which I hope will add just a bit extra to the whole walking in stations. Haven't read anything about this so there it goes.
What if, the less real players there are on a station, the more NPCs will walk around? For example, lets say there's always 100 people on the public section of the station. Either NPC or player, and if a new player enters the big room of which I forgot the proper name, the npc walks trough a door players can't go trough and despawns.
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Khalish Mo'Tashi
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Posted - 2009.02.12 23:18:00 -
[156]
That would actually be a really neat idea! That way the less populated stations wouldn't have that sort of empty, sterile and otherwise unreal feel to them. It would essentially make things feel more like you'd assume space stations of this type would: bustling with activity.
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The Vixen
Stone Rosary
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Posted - 2009.02.14 16:27:00 -
[157]
When is WIS supposed to go live? I thought it was coming in March?
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Gemberkoekje
Gallente Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2009.02.14 19:33:00 -
[158]
Originally by: The Vixen When is WIS supposed to go live? I thought it was coming in March?
It's the carrot to keep us longing.
I also thought it was gonna be in the March expansion, but considering there's nothing, tough luck to us.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.14 23:11:00 -
[159]
When the Demo was showed on Fanfest last November, we got the info that WiS would not be part of the next (March) expansion.
The latest info we received is that the WiS on an an independent schedule from all other expansions and that they aim to complete it sometime in 2009.
Perhaps a few month after Apocrypha was released we will get more info, but not now.
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Naibasak
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Posted - 2009.02.15 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Naibasak on 15/02/2009 02:35:07 I donÆt know Kronossan, I kind of like the idea of roaming the dilapidated decks of a long abandoned station out in low-sec
*edit(having NPCs all over the place when your the only one their would get right up my nose)
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Kronossan
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Naibasak Edited by: Naibasak on 15/02/2009 02:35:07 I donÆt know Kronossan, I kind of like the idea of roaming the dilapidated decks of a long abandoned station out in low-sec
*edit(having NPCs all over the place when your the only one their would get right up my nose)
Hehe, though it would give you something to look at.
As most of you have probably noticed, on the demo video the character didn't run but just walked on a normal relaxed pace. I think it'd be awful being forced to stare at the doorway or band conveyor you'll be walking towards for the comming 5 minutes with nothing at all around me.
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Kusum Fawn
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Posted - 2009.02.20 05:35:00 -
[162]
Missions in station? -Agent : I need some coffee from level 129, you know that new place, Can you get me some? Ill pay your 600456 isk if you get it for me before 06/12/09. -You : A) Yawn sounds like a plan B) WTF, we are on level 889! you want me to go where? C) Can I have more information about this Coffee?
-Agent : I hate rats don't you? One of my Secretaries (you know the one with the Big ...) Well, She says she saw a rat in the hall, can you go kill it? Heres a broom. -You : A) I too hate Rats, I just hope they don't have lasers on their heads or something, B) Do I look like a Janitor? really, I got like 120 of them in my other hanger, just being lazy.... C) Tell me more about the rats with Lasers on their heads.
-Agent : I like dolls.... -You : Walking in stations does what exactly? I mean can i bring a frigate in here? Or like a power chair or something? (Upgradeable walkers? T3 pants? how about a named wheelchair? Wardrobes? Hairstyles?) A use for those advanced small arms thingys? and how about a tekken or double dragon fighting style mini game? -Agent : Please take these dolls to the 0.0 section of this station?
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Corpse Female
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Posted - 2009.02.24 01:54:00 -
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To ccp devs csm ceo or whom it may concern ....
Will WIS be here next expansion or not 
btw Good work CCP, love the evolution. I look at a games minimum specs before I buy it, and if it doesnt push my machine to the limits, fof, I find a "better" one
But, What I really want to know is... will I be able to WIS in the next couple of weeks
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.02.24 13:31:00 -
[164]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I'm interested to hear what people look forward to most...
Mostly being able to kill time in bars or being able to buy drinks for corpmates after a nice operation, and using the board room. Wait, actually, what I look forward to the most is the day it's online.
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big fluf
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:09:00 -
[165]
I think CCP is whole overestimating the depand and desire to walk in station, I for one would be happy never to do this.
HOWEVER, it is a steping stone to colinizing planats and stuff like that.
My sugest is IF you want to try it out, then how about haveing ... 5-10 stations you can walk in (heck you can even have 0.0 sections in the stations).
Jita, and 2 stations in each starting "area". that would give a good feel as to if people will want/ use them.
I would do once, to see it, and that is about it.
Kev.
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Aura Clinica
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:04:00 -
[166]
So there is no mention of this being released in the next update.... I dont understand why it wouldnt be. I saw the fanfest video saying it would be out in march. Almost everyone (except the vocal minority) are sooo keen for this to get implemented so is it too much to ask what is happening with it? or a timeline please??
Has something happened that means it wont be getting released for a long time again?
T3 ships didnt have to wait this long.
Please CCP tell us what is going on.......
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Eisbrecker
Minmatar DevilDog Brigade
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Posted - 2009.02.26 19:19:00 -
[167]
Walking in stations sounds like a great idea for role-players and people wanting to "pretend" they are smugglers or whatever but in my humble opinion this is a feature that does not add needed improvements on the client.
I would much rather you address the many issues already talked about before adding more fluff. I love the improvement to the ship models but how about making them even more animated? How about more unique sound effects for each ship. How about more ship models for Tech 2 ships not recycled Teir 1 ships?
Many other things to do than add a 3D chat feature.
I want to play in space (as others have commented as well).
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Corpse Female
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:22:00 -
[168]
Soo.... CCP... pray tell, when are we going to get Ambulation?? Alternatively, CCP, what is happening with ambulation at the moment? Can we be privy to this information please??
We all know it was promised, but when will it be delivered. Im guessing that alot of people wont bother asking anymore because the proverbial carrot has rotted. Time for a Fresh Carrot PLEASE!
In my brazen opinion people against EvE expanding and WIS are those with old equipment. Ie, the people that have major or consistent problems with EvE at the moment and want "existing problems fixed" probably have old computers/ drivers/ video cards/ very low speed internet, etc.
I know there are some probs with faction warfare but I have no problems with EVE spaceflight atm, even when 400+ Goons have put up 100+ bubbles I can still get around, engage/disenage them with relative ease.
So what major problems do you have in spaceflight I wonder? (that are not attributed to the client side)
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.02.27 22:05:00 -
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March, lol. I think there a bit busy with remaking Eve as it stands, let alone WIS in 3 months they have been working flat out on Apocrypha.
The suggestion that has been dropped in various places (Fanfest, interviews, etc) is WIS is A) As affore mentioned not on the same release cycle, when it's ready they will sync it up with Eve-Online. B) at absolute earliest coming Winter 2009, and very unlikely given CCP's estimates in the past. Probably see public demo's coming out live within 6 months to a year and a real version will follow in sensible development time. Although this is an "addon" in terms of integrating with eve, it's a completely new Development field, and there doing their damdest to get it right first time. Which is impractical given CCP's code as you go mechanism, which I've always liked, despite the bugs. Still gota love the luminosity concept, and the fact CCP are running with something so new it's unused, because they want it right :P
Also, they won't tell you anything until their ready. Notoriously closed lipped even with the smallest of hints or tips. I think CCP PR and legal team must be made of BM&SM types for the general closed lippedness of CCP at times. Or there just so dam busy, or maybe there are gremlins, ive no idea. But they arent very talkative.
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Corpse Female
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Posted - 2009.02.28 06:57:00 -
[170]
Well Apocrypha will have to keep me busy (easily) til i can ambulate.
Dammit I was just so sure it was coming out this patch lol. Eon mag says "coming soon" (TM) so hopefully next patch.
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Helgur
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Posted - 2009.02.28 21:12:00 -
[171]
The way I see WIS as a viable addition to the game is where you have different security levels in a station, just like you have in space, where you actually can PvP other people. That would be fun.
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Arhant
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Posted - 2009.02.28 22:39:00 -
[172]
Just as long WIS stays as a social thing to do, and not a necessary thing to visit agents n stuff and most defenetly not any 0.0 zones on stations *shrug* Anyone remember Earth and beyond by any chance? they had that feat, and u HAD to run between vendors and missiongivers... the disco was cool tho:)
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Helgur
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Posted - 2009.03.01 18:23:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Arhant Just as long WIS stays as a social thing to do, and not a necessary thing to visit agents n stuff and most defenetly not any 0.0 zones on stations *shrug* Anyone remember Earth and beyond by any chance? they had that feat, and u HAD to run between vendors and missiongivers... the disco was cool tho:)
Why not? Imagine two corporations at war with eachother tired of playing station games, they all dock up and meet up in the station for a big bar brawl 
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Corpse Female
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Posted - 2009.03.02 11:43:00 -
[174]
At first i thought PVP in station would be a bad idea... but...
If there was a special arena/room, that Pilots could only enter after signing a Death Waiver, well that would be cool.
Especially if other pilots could gamble to look on to the arena from the stands. Could be an automated fight based on skills or attributes.
Then at the end of the fight, the winner could hack through the losers corpse/head to find/salvage implants for bragging and iskies.
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Zuk Hades
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Posted - 2009.03.03 06:22:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Corpse Female At first i thought PVP in station would be a bad idea... but...
If there was a special arena/room, that Pilots could only enter after signing a Death Waiver, well that would be cool.
Especially if other pilots could gamble to look on to the arena from the stands. Could be an automated fight based on skills or attributes.
Then at the end of the fight, the winner could hack through the losers corpse/head to find/salvage implants for bragging and iskies.
Yes and why not create Warlocks and Mages and Hunters and.... wait there is game like that out there i think
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Terminus Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.03.03 18:26:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 03/03/2009 18:30:11
Personally I still don't see what this would add to the game other than some eye-candy. In fact, if implemented poorly (i.e. by replacing the current station interface completely) it could be pretty horrible. I really don't want to spend more than 2 seconds in the station to turn in a mission and grab the next one, or to change fittings, refine ore, etc., etc. just because I have to wait for some obligatory walking-in/walking-out station animation to happen. One of the most boring and stupid aspects of WoW (yes, I did play that a long time ago) was all the walking around to talk to agents, all the waiting time spent just to fly places, etc. That's nice and all for the RP community, but not for a player-based game where most of the stuff happens in space. At the very least it should be something that can be turned on/off by players in the settings. Unless it's an integral part of the story, I don't want it.
I'd like to hear more about what the intended purpose of this implementation would be other than "just because it's cool and we can..."
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Kronossan
Minmatar 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kronossan on 04/03/2009 11:01:04 I certainly don't hope there will be missions that are partly situated in space and partly in the stations themselves since I do agree with you on the WoW part which I used to play for a very long time as well.
Though missions that play entirely inside a station would be nice, if there's an option to run as well. Also, I think there isn't much more to it then the "just because it's cool and we can..." you just mentioned aside from the fact many players having been asking for this feature for a while and it intrigued CCP. _________________
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Draco Argen
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Posted - 2009.03.04 15:08:00 -
[178]
They have made it quite clear in fanfest that there will still be all the same old style quick UI ways of doing things. Just WIS will add a social gameplay version of a lot of things that can be a bit more fun. It would be dumb if, for example;
Pvp op leaves in 3 mins guys...oh **** i've got to insure my ship and that's on level two on the other dam side of the station *run run run*
So it won't happen, Torfi has already said that. WIS is going to appeal most to Roleplay and faffing about when not in space. Will be kinda fun.
Bar brawl? Punching a commanding officer when he's being a prat? Kicking him so hard he dies and looses his implants? Or needs to recloan to get rid of the black eye you gave him? I have to admit, while it would need balencing, a very simple fist fight like interface similar to GTA when your without a gun would be quite cool. Applying the same Concord level as we have now. So low and 0 space would be somewhat lawless, but in high a Concord officer comes and draggs you away. (perhaps private employable police NPC's for 0 anyone?) But that is a complex dimension that CCP wont approach until WIS is at least beta, if not in live use. As cool as it would be, combat is complex addition. Start with the floor first, then put in the funky armchar 
Oh, and don't believe everything you read in EON, they get exited lol.
For all we know, CCP have fired half the WIS team and put the rest on Apoc. Or they have finished it and they are teasing us...you gits! lol JK
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Buriko Kamakura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:47:00 -
[179]
So it's already been a year since this thread started; I understand the devs recent surge of efforts on Apocrypha and the patches needed to make it bug-free... but seeing as the next major release is scheduled for this Winter, and seeing as the word has gone around that WiS will be around by then--can we get some confirmation on these rumors? Is a more solid ETA available by now? I also think that after a year, another dev blog is in order.
I'm confident this feature will come around, especially if CCP can retool it for World of Darkness; but nevertheless I'd like a little more literature on the topic. I just love reading it, and it helps me in my chats with my friends, some of whom are waiting for this feature specifically before they begin playing Eve. Thanks....
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Marcus JuniusBrutus
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Posted - 2009.03.28 12:14:00 -
[180]
Wake me up in 2010 if and when Ambulation finally arrives... 
p.s. Eon magazine LIES!
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Glock Lock
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:31:00 -
[181]
I love the idea of walking in stations, and all the nagging from you that don't... think about it
I don't think you realize how much this can help the players, it all starts with beeing able to walk in stations, wohoo, big deal, but if they work some more with this it can be great. all memebers of a corp meet to plan a war, the next step of the corporation future. it's all about making eve's univers as real as possible.
if you were in space for real, would you plan you next step through a chat on the computerif you had a huge space station you could dock on. did't think so...
I'm only considering the possibilitys. if someone already have said something about the same as this, i don't care... i did't not care to read every single post.
ohh, and for you that swear you never, never, ever was going around in a station. shut it, you know your going to any way.
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5ythyss
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.12 22:11:00 -
[182]
This will be great for those time when you are waiting for the next op. Gets rather boring sitting around the computer waiting for the POS timer and have nothing better to do.
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Ottman
Amarr Friendship Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.29 11:28:00 -
[183]
well there is a problem about, first has ccp made a hype about ambulation, and then from one day to another no further word about it, so i would like to know what is now going on ? can it be that ambulation never will come because there is maybe the danger that ccp has a problem to run all activities in space and stations on one server ? if yes then forget ambulation for now, maybe in a few years when servers have more power than today and affordable for ccp. thats how i see it...
MfG ottman
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Keizo Tezuka
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Posted - 2009.05.10 03:49:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Ottman well there is a problem about, first has ccp made a hype about ambulation, and then from one day to another no further word about it, so i would like to know what is now going on ? can it be that ambulation never will come because there is maybe the danger that ccp has a problem to run all activities in space and stations on one server ? if yes then forget ambulation for now, maybe in a few years when servers have more power than today and affordable for ccp. thats how i see it...
MfG ottman
Indeed, CCP's silence on the issue is disconcerting. Many in the community who are interested in WiS believe that it's due in the next expansion. If they're wrong about that it'd be nice of CCP to correct them....
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Tradamus
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:46:00 -
[185]
Where is the update CCP?
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Kronossan
Minmatar 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:44:00 -
[186]
The evelopedia article says:
Quote: First announced in 2006, this expansion is expected some time in the 2009 time frame.
hope it's still correct _________________
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UKM Thorgrim
Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.20 22:40:00 -
[187]
Can we stop this Crap about walking in stations. Fix all the other little bugs & issues in eve.
stop all the funky graphics Crap .. and consentrate on Game play..
Walking around in a game.. i'l go play the Crap game WOW.
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Tesh Sevateem
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Posted - 2009.05.22 08:47:00 -
[188]
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim Can we stop this Crap about walking in stations. Fix all the other little bugs & issues in eve.
stop all the funky graphics Crap .. and consentrate on Game play..
Walking around in a game.. i'l go play the Crap game WOW.
Why the hostility? I'm sure many players, myself included, are looking very much forward to this feature. What good is it to have all the riches in the world, if have no place to spend time with your friends? And what's with "Graphics Crap"? Don't you enjoy a good-looking spaceship? Or do you prefer the wireframe of Elite?
And good job squeezing in yet another comment about WoW - seems when all else fails, invoke the name of the devil. I'm glad you're not in charge of EVE game design...
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UKM Thorgrim
Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:05:00 -
[189]
if i was walking in the station would be a couple more years down the Line.. and game play and a stable game system would be on top of the list.
But this game is getting aimed at the kids not the mature gamers..
Honour & Steel. |

Nuran DeSiad
Gallente Soldiers of Tattooed Faith
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Posted - 2009.05.29 08:43:00 -
[190]
I, considering myself a mature gamer, and enjoying Eve to the bottom every time I play it, think of WiS as a nice add-on to the whole Eve-ecperience. Eve becoming a kiddy game ? Don't think so. Learning curve is still steep, and New Eden is still a harsh environment. Becaus CCP makes the game more interesting to new players doesn't make the game 'kiddy' IMHO.
And it has been told several times throughout this thread or and others, you dont *have* to walk in stations if you don't want to. But you can.
just my 2 ISKies.
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Achmed TheDead
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Posted - 2009.05.29 08:43:00 -
[191]
Ambulation aka walking in stations is a myth.
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Synnyr
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Posted - 2009.05.29 13:58:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Zukira Al'Kalish Whell... with drinking in stations comes getting drunk in stations... with getting drunk in stations comes jumping back into your pod before the buzz wears off and trying admirably to fly in a straight line, while failing miserably.
I sure hope we can fly while drunk. This may be a key feature of Ambulation that will get me hooked.
This mentality has always fascinated me. Even way back when in EQ 1 they had alcoholic drinks and intoxication of characters. I never really understood what the 'fun' was of being 'virtually' drunk. If you want to fly intoxicated drink a twelve-pack while playing the game. At least you get some personal benefit out of it.
But if you're going to have intoxication in the game we should have drugs, STDs, hangovers, vomiting, small pox, open heart surgery, dentistry, and other fun things to make the game 'realistic.' 
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Varitina
Gallente Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.30 20:21:00 -
[193]
Originally by: UKM Thorgrim if i was walking in the station would be a couple more years down the Line.. and game play and a stable game system would be on top of the list.
But this game is getting aimed at the kids not the mature gamers..
Sounds like your speaking of yourself. CCP can't devote 100% of the devs on bugs. It would be like 6 bee hives working in one. It would be clustered, and more bugs would apear due to too many people giving their fixes and fights and stuff.
I like recieving new content while bugs are being fixed, no game is ever perfect. I always hear people like you whining about the bugs and down talking new content. New content is good for all games. Besides, this aint your game, its every subscribers game.
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Jumanat
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:19:00 -
[194]
Meh. I've gotten used to my being just a "head in a jar" pic with no body. WiS would be fun for when you just log on to switch training or are waiting for your posse to get in location before an op.
It would be cool if you could use WiS at your POS, have some limited functionality there. A lot of pilot time can be spent at POS's and it would be a nice break to putter about the control tower for a bit.
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Sky Tillian
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Posted - 2009.06.02 04:15:00 -
[195]
Quote: spend money on women, gambling and booze.
Tbh that sounds like my RL day wife takes my money, what I have left I gamble w/ after losing almost all I get drunk to forget my problems :-) why would I pay more money to do the same in eve lol.
lets give it the time of day and deside one way or the other after we try the demo alpha or beta whatever :P
sky
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NVRYNZWS Escort
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:36:00 -
[196]
is there really ambulation or are pod pilots so demanding of new software that the neo-com programmers have created a virtual reality software suite to allow podders doomed to life in the pod to believe they are walking around a space station as if they are actually there..i mean how would that be any less real from their point of view...i mean its not like they are video gamers sitting at pc's and pretending to be loight years away and doing all kinds of things that cant really be done all in the name of fun.....wait....uh
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Tumart
Amarr Drusus Mercenaries Nova Invicta Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:45:00 -
[197]
I feel that this particular addition would be highly effective for CCP. First of all, it provides players with an additional sense- a sense of who our characters are as people. The ability to walk around and see our characters do things, talk to people, even if its just walking around at first, would be a huge improvement.
I would love to see the interior of a Gallente station, watch my Amarrian character stalk around in a hood - or even lift it up, which is something he appears to never have accomplished in public for at least a year, if my profile picture is accurate.
An advanced feature, which would be nice for immersed players - would the ability to pick up some cheap quafe or get something to eat or drink. The fact is that all food would be pretty darn cheap (since capsuleers make more in a level 1 mission than most settlers make in many, many years), and it would be an opportunity to play with attractive graphics as well.
Besides, to be quite frank, from a purely business perspective, it is highly competive for CCP and the developers to add functionality to station interactions. As a potential competitor in the MMO market, Star Trek Online, seeks new and current market share through Beta testing and new features such as ambulation and fleet combat, it is wise of CCP to counter that action with adding ambulation to an already beautiful and player-formed world.
While certainly the target market for Cryptic Studies, i.e. CBS, is quite different than that of EVE Online, it makes logical sense for CCP to move towards ambulation and increased station interaction. CCP prides itself on allowing players to forge a kingdom or a place in an uncertain world, and I imagine that independent streak will continue in station interactions and increasing ambulation. I am sure that CCP will continue to ensure that it is the market leader in thoughtful, deadly, and entertaining pvp combat, and adding ambulation is a nice bit of "color" in an otherwise harsh and unyielding environment.
Besides, it gives station campers something to do besides stare at the market or read the web.  ------------ Pilus Drusus Drusus Mercenaries |

Deija Vu
Minmatar TalCorp Enterprises Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Deija Vu on 02/06/2009 15:10:39 wasnt this supposed to be done like 2 years ago? who cares. |

Gabriel Theodoulos
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:20:00 -
[199]
Originally by: NVRYNZWS Escort is there really ambulation or are pod pilots so demanding of new software that the neo-com programmers have created a virtual reality software suite to allow podders doomed to life in the pod to believe they are walking around a space station as if they are actually there..i mean how would that be any less real from their point of view...i mean its not like they are video gamers sitting at pc's and pretending to be loight years away and doing all kinds of things that cant really be done all in the name of fun.....wait....uh
They are attempting to create a virtual world within a virtual world so that your avatar can have an avatar in order to interact with other avatars, who are not really there.
Makes sense to me.

Gabe's Blog: http://housetheodoulos.blogspot.com |

Lillith Darkmoore
Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:29:00 -
[200]
I don't get why people are so pro or con to this concept. It is just a content addition. One that wouldn't affect the standard EVE game play. When the second wave of battle cruisers was released, I don't remember this much talk of it, but it did affect everyone and how they played. But this seems like it would be interesting, and if I had the ability to actually walk out of my drake to the manufacturing part of the facility to manage my s&i stuff, then that is nice compared to staring at a window. Again, this is just a nice little addition, and not such a big deal as everyone seems to make it out to be. Realistically, if it was released, or wasn't, I doubt it would really affect if any of you really continued to play EVE.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:22:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Tumart
Besides, to be quite frank, from a purely business perspective, it is highly competive for CCP and the developers to add functionality to station interactions. As a potential competitor in the MMO market, Star Trek Online, seeks new and current market share through Beta testing and new features such as ambulation and fleet combat, it is wise of CCP to counter that action with adding ambulation to an already beautiful and player-formed world.
I am not sure about this bit (in that, I do not know which way it might go).. on the one hand if Star Trek has this feature and people like it then EVE will be in trouble.. on the other hand, adding a feature that a (not yet vetted) competitor has can really kill a package, esp if it is something that is also keeping the other company from releasing.
It also gets into 'playing to your strengths'. Does this play to EVE, or does it distract from it? Will this be a feature that integrates well and truly adds enough play to justify the cost or will it be a costly bit of code that people get bored of quickly, yet destabilizes the core game?
It is that last bit that concerns me. EVE's codebase seems rather brittle... merging it with something big introduces the possibility of serious in game issues, so ambulation could end up effecting other areas of the game adversly with no perceived benefit to some players.
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Zena
Static Shock Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 23:05:00 -
[202]
I think this will be great, if it provides more interaction between players and more things to do within eve. I for one would like to see bounties collectable in this manner (on station). CCP really could open this up a lot more and give a lot more dynamic content to us then we are currently getting if they want too. Honestly, I doubt it, but one can never be too sure.
I want to know if we will be able to walk on our own station/labs ect.
Z  "Eat Worms Dirtbag" |

Duke Kraven
Caldari Clan Death Corps
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:53:00 -
[203]
I love the idea and what they have done so far, but I would honestly rather be able to walk around and explore my own ship before stations. However, I will take what I can get.
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desicret
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Posted - 2009.06.07 04:29:00 -
[204]
I like the idea, if you dont want to walk in stations, dont! i like eve the way it is aswell, but you all must know things must change to grow, i look forward to it, while im fitting ships or shopping the market for rigs, modules, ships, etc.... I can be looking at something different. So hats off, launch walking in stations |

Kronossan
Minmatar 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.07 17:57:00 -
[205]
the blog this topic is linked too doesn't contain a question asking you if you like ambulation or not and why, the blog explains what features we can expect to be in ambulation
and its coming whether you like it or not.. eventually |

DocDot
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Posted - 2009.06.07 18:09:00 -
[206]
Edited by: DocDot on 07/06/2009 18:14:26 I think the idea has great potential and since i heard of it im ONLY going to play EvE as my new Favorite MMO. I think the devs in the future could take it further and you could go planet side ( but that would take a long time to do) GO EvE
Edit: when is the beta of this and will it be open, and since this is a new big thing for EvE will this be a free expansion or paid??? |

riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.07 20:52:00 -
[207]
Well i believe that WiS is a needed start if someday we might walk in planets, i mean, once the WiS is rolled out, Walking in Planet wouln't be so hard, bcz a planet would be actually like a huge station... that' what logic tells me...
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CCP Eris Discordia

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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:33:00 -
[208]
Originally by: DocDot Edited by: DocDot on 07/06/2009 18:14:26 I think the idea has great potential and since i heard of it im ONLY going to play EvE as my new Favorite MMO. I think the devs in the future could take it further and you could go planet side ( but that would take a long time to do) GO EvE
Edit: when is the beta of this and will it be open, and since this is a new big thing for EvE will this be a free expansion or paid???
All EVE expansions have been free and I haven¦t heard that Ambulation will be any different. It is not coming out with the next expansion though.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Gemberslaafje
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2009.06.08 14:37:00 -
[209]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia It is not coming out with the next expansion though.
So when then? Or will this be the carrot in front of our noses for years to come? *as it has been for at least the past year*
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Eivy
Gallente Stardom Star Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.08 16:24:00 -
[210]
If there's no ambulation coming soon, then what will we get our hands on in the next expansion?
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Dmitryilyin
Gallente Risky eXplosion Death or Glory
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:02:00 -
[211]
Hmm... Ambulation? It would be nice)
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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DocDot
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Posted - 2009.06.09 04:53:00 -
[212]
Edited by: DocDot on 09/06/2009 04:53:53 Ambulation will probably be out in fall if the Q4 2009 if the date hasnt changed
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Valmarc
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Posted - 2009.06.10 11:49:00 -
[213]
Wel sine ccp says Ambulation won't be out in the next expansion, is there any place where i can find some info about what's the next expansion is gonna be all about? And when it is gonna...
Cheerz |

riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:07:00 -
[214]
Dear Eris Discordia, this is with ya!:
I believe CCP made a huge mistake in unveiling this feature with still so much developing to do, i mean, usually u give a glimpse of what u gonna be offering in the next season/year, this haz been for quite long actually.
IDK if CCP should consider at least start trials with WiS in the test server with what ever they got or at least release more info on the blogs or even better, video blogs. we don't even know if there haz been some development since the past fanfest until now. and for us eagerly waiting for this feature is kind of frustrating.
The funny thing is that the novelty factor would actually wear off whenever WiS might be actually released, i mean, if Star Trek online is released before WiS is deployed the novelty factor if not minimal, might be equal to none here. i know they are both different games, but the general public opinion will be STO featured it FIRST even if eve showcased it a 2 years before, and the so called "groundbreaking lightning features" will be actually an expected standard when the WiS will finally get released.
The repetitive excuse that CCP have a mentality that u shouldn't release stuff until is 100% "done" loses credibility when u take in consideration the poorly QA tested and even worst executed last expansion and patch respectively.
I do have to praise Eve Discordia in coming foward and say HEY NO AMBULATION FOR THE NEXT EXPASION. that's the sort of honesty ppl is interested in and respect.
What will the next expansion bring, lemme guess: more Ultra Expensive T3 Ships that nobody in their right mind would risk and make a great coffee table center piece? add them some slick new name like Tactical BattleCruiser or Stratefic Battleship?, WH Agents? More lvl 4 Agents? maybe hauling drones/fighters for the Hulk? (that would be awesome BTW) IDK, i'll keep playing EVE regardless, but bear in mind that there is a lot of ppl interested in seeing WiS coming out, and not Soon (tm) but actually coming out. Specially outsiders who see eve as a quirky MMO and not as the great MMORPG it is.
Seeing WiS getting tested on the test server even if it means that ppl will have to wait another year to have it live, would be a great way to improve it, to let ppl see what u got and to receive lots of feedback for ur ppl to work with and ensuring that CPP can have a lenghty and minuscious testing process which will ensure that both CCP and their clients have a great quality feature.
Rgds.
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Uronksur Suth
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.06.11 00:07:00 -
[215]
I kinda agree with Riverini. I don't really care all that much about stuff like another ship tier... the addition of T3 ships just felt kinda derivative. The expansions seem to build on top of whats already there, but we'd like to see something that's really NEW. 
Walking around stations and ships would be new. It would definitely make RP'ing about 1000% more appealing. Sitting in a lounge in your Alliance's POS in 0.0 chatting and doing some in person recruiting with a prospective new corp member, and then an alarm going off as an enemy alliance jumps in to attack the station and everyone has to run for their ships, cursing the distance to the hanger, would add to the experience immensely.
There's a whole slew of changes that I think you could add.
It would now be reasonable for repairs and refining not to be instantaneous, as they are now. You could recruit NPC crews for larger ships, which could have their own skills, provide certain bonuses to things like rate of fire, scanning speed, capacitator and CPU output. If you include crews, you could also hire security, which opens up a whole realm of possibility for pirates. Now instead of being restricted to blowing people up and salvaging the remains, they could send their minions on your ship and loot it and enslave your crew. You could walk into manufacturing lines and the refinery and watch all the various jobs being worked.
Just my rambling. I think in walking around in ships and stations is the next big thing... Wasn't it first announced back in 2006?
*sigh* I just think WiS is much more important then something like Wormhole space or level 4 mission agents or the epic arc or T3 ships. I think there's more then enough of that sort of content to occupy us for a while, I'd like to see something like this, and eventually see something done to allow interaction with moons and planets. Terraforming anyone?
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Imortiss
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Posted - 2009.06.11 12:08:00 -
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It's ashame that CCP keep moving the release date for Walking in Stations back and back and back. At first, we were led to believe it would be out in 2008. Then, we all assumed - perhaps wrongfully so - that it would be out in fall 2009. Now, it looks like we aren't going to see it until 2010, possibly a way after that.
I know a fair few players who are signing up to Eve on the basis that they are waiting for Ambulation to come around. Frankly, I'm waiting for Ambulation to come around and the lack of transparency or information regarding its current phase of development is disconcerting. If Ambulation were to come out in 2009 or early 2010, I will stay with Eve. If it comes out any later than that... well... there are other games I want to play, so I will probably move on, with a weak look at coming back when it does arrive.
Frankly, I think there should be less carrot dangling and more information, so that your loyal and expanding playerbase knows what is happening with Walking in Stations. We aren't asking you to commit to a release date. All we want is some sparse info that lets us speculate a little more conservatively, instead of - everytime one expansion is released - holding out for the next one to be Ambulation, which is the current situation and then being let down when it isn't.
Apocrypha was a good expansion but its impact was toned down a little due to the vast disappointment with the lack of Ambulation. The next expansion will probably be recieved in the same way - greatfully, but with some of us a little narked off that WiS is still no where to be seen. |

riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: riverini on 11/06/2009 14:56:37
Originally by: Imortiss It's ashame that CCP keep moving the release date for Walking in Stations back and back and back. At first, we were led to believe it would be out in 2008. Then, we all assumed - perhaps wrongfully so - that it would be out in fall 2009. Now, it looks like we aren't going to see it until 2010, possibly a way after that.
I know a fair few players who are signing up to Eve on the basis that they are waiting for Ambulation to come around. Frankly, I'm waiting for Ambulation to come around and the lack of transparency or information regarding its current phase of development is disconcerting. If Ambulation were to come out in 2009 or early 2010, I will stay with Eve. If it comes out any later than that... well... there are other games I want to play, so I will probably move on, with a weak look at coming back when it does arrive.
Frankly, I think there should be less carrot dangling and more information, so that your loyal and expanding playerbase knows what is happening with Walking in Stations. We aren't asking you to commit to a release date. All we want is some sparse info that lets us speculate a little more conservatively, instead of - everytime one expansion is released - holding out for the next one to be Ambulation, which is the current situation and then being let down when it isn't.
Apocrypha was a good expansion but its impact was toned down a little due to the vast disappointment with the lack of Ambulation. The next expansion will probably be recieved in the same way - greatfully, but with some of us a little narked off that WiS is still no where to be seen.
/signed!
HEY CCP do u ppl have a PR department? well if you do they aren't doing their job listening to their clients! maybe it's time to bring down the axe and chop some heads. ppl keep asking questions and all we got is one liner that leaves more questions than answers.
You see, the thing is that if this were a free game i wouldn't mind but since am a PAYING CUSTOMER and a loyal one, i feel that customers haz the right to be answered in some questions.
IDK who takes the time to write the Eve Chronicles or the phony news u guys feature in the front page, personally i don't read those since there is little if none interaction with the in-game experience (and if there is it should be advertised properly) and also since it integrity can be compromised in the same way the Star War, Star Trek or any other sort of Geek cannon can be changed, for the sake of "good story telling" i have even less reasons to even care for it.
Still, you guys could spend a little time writing on what going on with features and news the majority of the player would be interested in. Posting articles about how a new feature might work or what have been the issues u have been working on.
My point is CCCP:
1. Is time to start listening to your PAYING CUSTOMERS
2. Some heads need to roll, ppl is not doing their job in listening to their clients.
3. Start posting stuff that the players would actually care about
4. for ****'s sake, involve more in the forums.
Rgds.
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Rumba Purring
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Posted - 2009.06.11 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Imortiss It's ashame that CCP keep moving the release date for Walking in Stations back and back and back. At first, we were led to believe it would be out in 2008. Then, we all assumed - perhaps wrongfully so - that it would be out in fall 2009. Now, it looks like we aren't going to see it until 2010, possibly a way after that.
I know a fair few players who are signing up to Eve on the basis that they are waiting for Ambulation to come around. Frankly, I'm waiting for Ambulation to come around and the lack of transparency or information regarding its current phase of development is disconcerting. If Ambulation were to come out in 2009 or early 2010, I will stay with Eve. If it comes out any later than that... well... there are other games I want to play, so I will probably move on, with a weak look at coming back when it does arrive.
Frankly, I think there should be less carrot dangling and more information, so that your loyal and expanding playerbase knows what is happening with Walking in Stations. We aren't asking you to commit to a release date. All we want is some sparse info that lets us speculate a little more conservatively, instead of - everytime one expansion is released - holding out for the next one to be Ambulation, which is the current situation and then being let down when it isn't.
Apocrypha was a good expansion but its impact was toned down a little due to the vast disappointment with the lack of Ambulation. The next expansion will probably be recieved in the same way - greatfully, but with some of us a little narked off that WiS is still no where to be seen.
I agree with this sentiment. Waiting for release of ambulation is one of the reasons that keeps my friends and me in EVE.
As to the ambulation release date, my guess is that a couple of upcoming Sci-fi MMOs with avatar interaction (namely STO and The Old Republic), which may divert new account sign-ups and/or draw existing players away from EVE, will provide strong incentives for CCP to release ambulation soon. My prediction: ambulation release date will be either before or not be too long after launch dates of these new games. Failure to do so could be bad business for CCP. ------------- Would you be ready if the gravity reversed itself? |

DocDot
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Posted - 2009.06.12 04:36:00 -
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its like Stargate worlds lol, any way EVE is one of those MMOs that you can do anything in and thats awsome so if you want to be a mercenary or bounty hunter or high powered business man or ect..., you can. I am still keeping to Q4 2009, but i do have one question on the production line on how far they with in speed terms 1 being very ultra super slow to 10 being 1,000,000 miles an hour |

Mors Magne
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.06.13 20:49:00 -
[220]
Pity about the delay with WiS.
As recompense, I would like CCP to tell us about any new ships that are due to be released next expansion - what skills should I train up in preparation |

Amoranis
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Posted - 2009.06.14 14:50:00 -
[221]
I wish i had the moneys to go out there... ;-;
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Creed Demastikus
Bregan Dearthe United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.14 22:55:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Mors Magne Pity about the delay with WiS.
As recompense, I would like CCP to tell us about any new ships that are due to be released next expansion - what skills should I train up in preparation
pick from "worthless unneeded skills section" they usualy go for them.. or just these t3 ones new skills w/ low req but when u lost ship they go down.. /why bother with training more than lvl 3-4 u goin to lose that ship this way or another |

Mikamir
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.15 22:18:00 -
[223]
I am one of those relatively new players that was very excited about the idea of being able to walk around inside of stations. In fact, it was got me to actually subscribe to the game. However, the fact that it has been a no-show for so long has finally got me to unsubscribe (at least for now). I think that every Fanfest CCP shows it but then they don't release it. Like someone else said, "carrot and stick". Anyway, my sub runs through next month but I will be inactive as of now. Actually, have been inactive for the last month. I will check back once and while and see if anything has changed. |

Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.16 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mikamir I am one of those relatively new players that was very excited about the idea of being able to walk around inside of stations. In fact, it was got me to actually subscribe to the game. However, the fact that it has been a no-show for so long has finally got me to unsubscribe (at least for now). I think that every Fanfest CCP shows it but then they don't release it. Like someone else said, "carrot and stick". Anyway, my sub runs through next month but I will be inactive as of now. Actually, have been inactive for the last month. I will check back once and while and see if anything has changed.
You do realise Eve was always supposed to be about the spaceships right? Even the walking in stations addition to the game (and I'm sure it will arrive when it's done properly) will only add to the diversity of the game. You don't even need to undock any more to make ISK.
If you believe WiS will offer more unique game play experiences at first release you may be disapointed. Of course I'm looking forward to having the Corporation offices where people can sit around and mingle, and the planning room idea sounds GREAT, as long as people don't have to be in the same station and can get the "feed" remotely.
It's a MAJOR expansion to what is already a great game, so don't knock the fact it's taking longer than expected, even CCP just wants to get it done and released more than the players that want to see and experience it, but they can't release it until it's DONE.
A lot like the next version of my spreadsheet. I know it will be great and useful when it's done, but it won't get done if I spend my time trolling on the forums, or log in to eve and deal with the corp stuff, however I still have to do that so it's about balancing the time I have where nothing gets left out too much unless absolutely neccesary.
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Kronossan
Minmatar 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:15:00 -
[225]
Maybe they're secretly working on a walking in ships as well, would certainly make up for the wait^^ _________________
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.17 15:18:00 -
[226]
Ditto, but most probably CCP folks will be rolling out pimped out t3 expensive ships ( know, the kind an eve magnate just take to low sec to show off he can afford to lose a t3 ship, akin of a rich boy crashing his third ferrari XD ), improving ai so they primary at the dronz at all times ,ohh yeah WH agents maybe this one was obvious, changes in sovs mechanics and some more useless stuff for most of "us mortals"... The sad thing is that most of the dev actually read this posts and they do nothing to at least take some feedback con their customers...
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Luxior
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Posted - 2009.06.17 20:32:00 -
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WiS is probably a joke. The fact that they rolled out Apocrypha when it wasn't finished and spent the two weeks before the release trying to fix the T3 ships means that if they wanted to they could finish WiS in a month. The fact it's taken three years to accomplish is very disconcerting, and it makes me wonder why the developers develop content that won't be released, why they develop content majority of the player base can't afford, and why they don't communicate and be more transparent.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.17 22:51:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Luxior .... why they develop content majority of the player base can't afford, and why they don't communicate and be more transparent.
/signed!!!! |

Argon Kretzki
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:52:00 -
[229]
You people talking and stuff, but how much of the suggestions and complaints on this forum changed anything over the years in the game play, CCP's policies and practices? Give me some exact proofs?
I personally can do without walking in stations. Bah, I wanna shoot ships, mine, salvage... etc. :) |

Mistrala DeLegra
Caldari Novus Alba FerrumSus
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Posted - 2009.06.22 03:54:00 -
[230]
Is there any ETA on WHEN WiS is likely to actualy be rolled out and let loose upon the good people of EVE!? |

riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.22 05:08:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Argon Kretzki You people talking and stuff, but how much of the suggestions and complaints on this forum changed anything over the years in the game play, CCP's policies and practices? Give me some exact proofs?
I personally can do without walking in stations. Bah, I wanna shoot ships, mine, salvage... etc. :)
well, move along, don't bother posting in "meaningless" >225 posts forums and go out there and play!!!
nobody cares if u can do dog tricks, we are talking about when this feature is coming out and why is taking so long. |

Argon Kretzki
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:53:00 -
[232]
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Argon Kretzki You people talking and stuff, but how much of the suggestions and complaints on this forum changed anything over the years in the game play, CCP's policies and practices? Give me some exact proofs?
I personally can do without walking in stations. Bah, I wanna shoot ships, mine, salvage... etc. :)
well, move along, don't bother posting in "meaningless" >225 posts forums and go out there and play!!!
nobody cares if u can do dog tricks, we are talking about when this feature is coming out and why is taking so long.
I'll post where ever I want as much as I want. If You bothered reading the most of the previous posts they all suggest something or want something out of CCP. Guess you don't read :)
Hahaha even YOU posted requests 212.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.22 08:20:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Argon Kretzki
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Argon Kretzki You people talking and stuff, but how much of the suggestions and complaints on this forum changed anything over the years in the game play, CCP's policies and practices? Give me some exact proofs?
I personally can do without walking in stations. Bah, I wanna shoot ships, mine, salvage... etc. :)
well, move along, don't bother posting in "meaningless" >225 posts forums and go out there and play!!!
nobody cares if u can do dog tricks, we are talking about when this feature is coming out and why is taking so long.
I'll post where ever I want as much as I want. If You bothered reading the most of the previous posts they all suggest something or want something out of CCP. Guess you don't read :)
Hahaha even YOU posted requests 212.
Cool. 
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Lexon D'Remal
CEBEPHblE BETPA POCCUU
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Posted - 2009.06.23 07:28:00 -
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What system requirements planned for this expansion? I am afraid, my computer cannot work with this expansion. 
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.23 14:22:00 -
[235]
Edited by: riverini on 23/06/2009 14:22:18
Originally by: Lexon D'Remal What system requirements planned for this expansion? I am afraid, my computer cannot work with this expansion. 
IDK, but it must be kept in mind.
Here is an idea on how walk in station could look like in a low end system
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/39543/1565304
xD
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Schwester Minotaur
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Posted - 2009.06.23 19:43:00 -
[236]
They should do something. Star Trek online - will be there soon, and if we havent WIS then, i think many player will switch...
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.23 22:04:00 -
[237]
Edited by: riverini on 23/06/2009 22:10:32
Originally by: Schwester Minotaur They should do something. Star Trek online - will be there soon, and if we havent WIS then, i think many player will switch...
Am actually eager to see STO out bcz this will surely pressure CCP on this issue.
Well i won't switch, at most maybe get a trial account and see if i can play both... no loss for CCP on that front, but the thing is CCP won't have an "edge" in that area, and that's one thing that would hurt them way more than losing a cpl of subs, let's face it CCP proud itself in being the "best of the best of the best" (lol @ will smith in men in black), it might seem like if CCP feels that "heat" they might fell rushed into releasing a "low priority" feature and not being able to deliver their desired QA. for a company like CCP that would be certainly more hurtful that losing a couple of subs.
Regarding the "heat" am referring to, press, the internet buzz and the inevitable (albeit unfair and biased in some cases) comparisons will turn the temperature on.
If STO comes out before the Winter Fest, CCP will have to consider toning down the elite and cutting edge "flavor" of some of their EVE Fest Speeches.
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lord khnrageX
Amarr Rising Phoenix Ventures United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.06.25 01:14:00 -
[238]
As long as I can get drunk with my corps members Im good. lord rageX |

riverini
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:24:00 -
[239]
Originally by: lord khnrageX As long as I can get drunk with my corps members Im good.
lol, i can imagine ppl agreeing on buying an specific type of booze and the online drinking game posibilities lol |

Tumart
Amarr Drusus Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.07.01 06:42:00 -
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Certainly, the move for CCP is theoretically risky. It is possible that some players may choose to lounge inside stations and mess around rather than face the cold darkness of space. However, from a purely financial perspective, there are two primary concerns:
Part 1) Getting people to (continue to) pay for EVE Online.
Part 2) Getting more people to pay for it.
In terms of the station-walk (ambulation), Part 1 is unlikely to be threatened. So long as these same people pay for their subscriptions, it is large irrelevant whether they stand around in a station or actually fly.
Only part 2 is really of concern, in theory. Yet, it would seem that for EVE, station-walking would serve as a place to mingle and BS - perhaps even challenge others to space combat. The arena of combat in EVE is space, and station content is unlikely to impact that facet of the EVE game.
In addition, the addicting part of EVE is said to be pvp. People fly for hours in null-sec in small and large groups alike, seeking combat. The heart-thumping rhythm of such game play against one's peers is unlikely to be dented by some graphically pleasing Gaia-like walkywalk function. On the other hand, roleplayers and carebears everywhere may find things to do around the station, like become intoxicated, talk to other capsuleers, and maybe even sprawl on a Gallente bench and hang out.
Chances are, many of the hardcore pvp gamers, such as many of the players that have already weighed in negatively, could care less. Whether its to hang out with friends while blasting people apart, or to take joy in the misery of others, or to simply be a part of a player-driven environment, the truly focused pvpers will continue to fire their weapons and fly their ships as much as before, ambulation or no ambulation.
Those that do care for ambulation will have another incentive to continue to enjoy EVE online and immerse themselves in an online world in exchange for some sort of subscription plan. While certainly the technical aspects are daunting to those outside the system, chances are its a matter of tweaking it the way they want, in order to keep their game special and ambulation secondary.
Station-walking is likely to be just that - simply furthering the immersion experience - as well as providing station campers an opportunity to wander around waiting for the pirates / pirate-hunters / mercs / random people to go away.
In terms of business, both in terms of the financial aspects and in terms of competition, it would seem that ambulation would be an effective addition for EVE Online.
Originally by: Nekopyat
Originally by: Tumart
Besides, to be quite frank, from a purely business perspective, it is highly competive for CCP and the developers to add functionality to station interactions. As a potential competitor in the MMO market, Star Trek Online, seeks new and current market share through Beta testing and new features such as ambulation and fleet combat, it is wise of CCP to counter that action with adding ambulation to an already beautiful and player-formed world.
I am not sure about this bit (in that, I do not know which way it might go).. on the one hand if Star Trek has this feature and people like it then EVE will be in trouble.. on the other hand, adding a feature that a (not yet vetted) competitor has can really kill a package, esp if it is something that is also keeping the other company from releasing.
It also gets into 'playing to your strengths'. Does this play to EVE, or does it distract from it? Will this be a feature that integrates well and truly adds enough play to justify the cost or will it be a costly bit of code that people get bored of quickly, yet destabilizes the core game?
It is that last bit that concerns me. EVE's codebase seems rather brittle... merging it with something big introduces the possibility of serious in game issues, so ambulation could end up effecting other areas of the game adversly with no perceived benefit to some players.[/quot
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Ottman
Amarr LoneWolf Mining
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:40:00 -
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tic tac, tic tac, once a new feature is announced the time is limited and the patience of us players as paying customers also.
at least an info here and there what kind of progress the ambulation project does would be nice and its needed.
MfG ottman
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Totally Hopeless
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:44:00 -
[242]
I thank it daily that I do not see ambulation mentioned and give a loud huzzah every time it gets postponed.
Yes, I know Ambulation is just the groundwork for World of Darkness, but for Eve it is totally inappropriate. This is an Internet Spaceships game... let's keep it that way. No ten minute hike across a station just to buy ammo from this spamming vendor or that spamming vendor when it's all nicely succinct on the markets interface.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:51:00 -
[243]
Originally by: riverini Well i believe that WiS is a needed start if someday we might walk in planets, i mean, once the WiS is rolled out, Walking in Planet wouln't be so hard, bcz a planet would be actually like a huge station... that' what logic tells me...
Actually this points to another problem with WIS. Early on CCP made the artistic decision that EVE tech was going to be HUGE. Giant stations, giant ships. Even the tiniest frigates are the size of today's capital ships. Have you ever stood next to a RL battleship or carrier? The things are massive.
The downside to this is when you try to actually start having human scale interactions with them, esp walking around, you either need to fill the space in with generated content (oh look another door!) or several restrict the player's movement. This will be a huge problem in stations that look to be about the size of modern cities. Content-wise, how do you implement something that is supposed to communicate 'huge' while only containing a handful of actual intractable characters without tons of repetitive useless space or 'hey, I can see a giant city outside of this 2 room lounge!'
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:57:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Imortiss It's ashame that CCP keep moving the release date for Walking in Stations back and back and back. At first, we were led to believe it would be out in 2008. Then, we all assumed - perhaps wrongfully so - that it would be out in fall 2009. Now, it looks like we aren't going to see it until 2010, possibly a way after that.
Since when have they pushed the date back?
WIS comes out after World of Darkness. WoD is scheduled for 2010/2011. Doing a tech demo is not a promise that the feature is coming soon.
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Pseudo Sasaya
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:01:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Luxior .... why they develop content majority of the player base can't afford
Because it keeps older players playing by giving them new things?
EVE has people who have been playing since 2004. One of the ways they keep this player base is by constantly adding new high level stuff to extend the endgame.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.08.05 20:25:00 -
[246]
I miss the days when Dev blogs actually contained information about upcoming new features. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |

Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2009.08.06 07:43:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Nekopyat
Actually this points to another problem with WIS. Early on CCP made the artistic decision that EVE tech was going to be HUGE. Giant stations, giant ships. Even the tiniest frigates are the size of today's capital ships. Have you ever stood next to a RL battleship or carrier? The things are massive.
The downside to this is when you try to actually start having human scale interactions with them, esp walking around, you either need to fill the space in with generated content (oh look another door!) or several restrict the player's movement. This will be a huge problem in stations that look to be about the size of modern cities. Content-wise, how do you implement something that is supposed to communicate 'huge' while only containing a handful of actual intractable characters without tons of repetitive useless space or 'hey, I can see a giant city outside of this 2 room lounge!'
I am also thinking.. how many people who are excited about this have used virtual meeting software? I have seen companies try to use the stuff...get really excited about sitting around a virtual conference table with avatars and talk/hangout/etc. It generally takes them about 2 weeks to realize it is a waste and switch back to phones/IM/etc.. things that get the job done better.
Avatar based chat systems fail again and again unless you have some compelling functionality (like SL)
these are non-issues.
Of course they will restrict stations to only a few visiteable places, but wheres the problem with that?
as for the chatting: WiS is not designed to be another chat tool. its about letting people get out of their pod and walk around, making eve more of a roleplaying game.
and, of course, the gambling tables. those will be great fun.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:55:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Tamahra
these are non-issues.
Of course they will restrict stations to only a few visiteable places, but wheres the problem with that?
Problem might be the wrong word. Challenge might be closer, but yes, it is an issue. It cuts to the center of the design and aesthetic choices they will have to make. Communicating size while not overloading the art staff. How to build a space that does not feel stupid crowded in places like Jita while at the same time not feeling empty in some backwater low sec station even though there are supposed to be what, tens of millions of people in every station?
Quote: as for the chatting: WiS is not designed to be another chat tool. its about letting people get out of their pod and walk around, making eve more of a roleplaying game.
In other words. Chatting with avatars. Unless they add in gameplay elements beyond minigames like gambling or avatarified versions of existing controls.... a chat program is really all we are talking about here.
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Deliceous
The Deadbeats
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Posted - 2009.08.07 02:09:00 -
[249]
I can't wait till fan fest as there should be more information on Walking in Stations.
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Photon Ceray
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Posted - 2009.08.07 08:13:00 -
[250]
have you ever had someone promise you, a gift, a promotion or something but they never did it? they kept telling you it's coming it's coming later later, but it never came, in the end you lose hope and no longer trust that person.
this is how tons of people are feeling about ccp now including myself and most of the people in my corp (we talked about it).
I don't know if ccp is trying to emit blizzad's secrecy policy or they want to keep everything for fanfest, in either cases it's a failure! 3 years without a single bit of information? I no longer care, but it's a shame we're treated like this.
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Evanglion
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:57:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Photon Ceray blablabla
You are not a ton of people ktnx. allot of people enjoy the game as it is. i for one dont really need new content. Sure wis is fun, but not necessary.
Basicly: Enjoy the game as it is, and as it is intended. if you dont enjoy the game then why the hell are you still here ? 
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:59:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Photon Ceray have you ever had someone promise you, a gift, a promotion or something but they never did it? they kept telling you it's coming it's coming later later, but it never came, in the end you lose hope and no longer trust that person.
this is how tons of people are feeling about ccp now including myself and most of the people in my corp (we talked about it).
I don't know if ccp is trying to emit blizzad's secrecy policy or they want to keep everything for fanfest, in either cases it's a failure! 3 years without a single bit of information? I no longer care, but it's a shame we're treated like this.
This is one of the reasons people tend to disappoint me.
This is not a case of being promised a gift and never deliver.... this was people being shown a tech demo of a product that was explicitly (and openly) scheduled for 4-5 years. But people conveniently forget that part and only think in terms of their instant gratification.... and they do it to a degree that that make up supposed promises that 'someone' heard that they can then claim were broken.
Makes me wonder, when they, say, get a mortgage, do they get ****ed off that they still have to keep paying 4 years in because they were promised they would stop in 30 years?
Maybe this is what CCP gets for treating their customers with respect, showing them cool stuff in the pipeline, and having the audacity to be up front about schedules.
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Corpse Female
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Posted - 2009.08.11 05:47:00 -
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WIS IS HERE, or will be .... later ..... 
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:17:00 -
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I JUST REALLY HOPE THIS PIECE OF **** CALLED "DUST 514" isn't is the Ambulation we were promised of...
http://www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/
Am not impressed, not even a bit, you know why? bcz i have BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, i can safely say that more than half of the eve population is still waiting on ambulation, an u guys come out with this CRAP?
I CANT BELIEVE THIS ****, 3 YEARS INTO DEVELOPMENT TO THROW ITSELF INTO THE CONSOLE MARKET? GOOD THING MOST EVE PLAYERS ARE 15 YRS OLD TRIGGER HAPPY PLAYERS...
IF I WANTED TO PLAY A FPS I COULD GO TO A STORE AND BUY ME CoD or BF Bad Company and i believe most ppl would agree.
a smarter person would charge $5 more for "ambulation rights" and get ppl more involved than playing a ****ty halo clone.
YES AM ****ED OFF... three years developing.... THREE YEARS TAKING YOUR CUSTOMERS AS STUPID, BECAUSE WHETHER U WANT TO ADMIT IT OR NOT WE HELPED TO FUND THAT ****TY GAME.
QUOTE: I can't see large corporations trusting random fpsfan001 with securing ground for them." good luck with that!
This BLOWS.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:21:00 -
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It is amazing how quickly the WiS supporters quickly start sounding the same as the WiS critics now that Dust has been officially announced.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.18 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nekopyat It is amazing how quickly the WiS supporters quickly start sounding the same as the WiS critics now that Dust has been officially announced.
WiS = DUST? NOT
YOU = FAIL
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.18 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Nekopyat It is amazing how quickly the WiS supporters quickly start sounding the same as the WiS critics now that Dust has been officially announced.
WiS = DUST? NOT
YOU = FAIL
After heavy consideration, i need to admit that you are right, more time will be needed to see how this goes, but still we are no getting WiS and this is what ****es me off!!!!!
Another thing that would somehow seal the deal, CCP is bringing this anyways so:
a. A combined EVE subscription.
b. PC version of the FPS.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.18 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: riverini
Originally by: riverini
Originally by: Nekopyat It is amazing how quickly the WiS supporters quickly start sounding the same as the WiS critics now that Dust has been officially announced.
WiS = DUST? NOT
YOU = FAIL
After heavy consideration, i need to admit that you are right, more time will be needed to see how this goes, but still we are no getting WiS and this is what ****es me off!!!!!
Another thing that would somehow seal the deal, CCP is bringing this anyways so:
a. A combined EVE subscription.
b. PC version of the FPS.
ok, seems like now am chilling out a bit, check this idea from a Massively.com poster:
"That is really really cool news to me. As far as I'm concerned, the more integration, the better. The ultimate feature for me would be to allow 'walking in stations' to be a kind of middle ground for EVE and DUST avatars to interact directly rather than just via contracts."
i'll be good with that
opinions?
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: riverini
After heavy consideration, i need to admit that you are right, more time will be needed to see how this goes, but still we are no getting WiS and this is what ****es me off!!!!!
I would not be surprised if they released some version of WiS at the same time as DUST. Avatar interaction between the two interfaces would be a real killer app. I doubt DUST and WiS use the same engine though. If this was their first console title I would hope they went with existing middleware, which may or may not mesh well with EVE's own graphics engine.
Quote: a. A combined EVE subscription.
This will naturally depend on how they actually handle subscriptions to DUST in general. If it is simply part of xbox live then there is no additional cost to the consumer and thus they might not have the structure in place for seperate billing. If they do have a seperate subscription I would not be amused if they charged the same ammount since DUST sounds much simpler then EVE. That being said.. since they give no discount (outside the buddy program) for multiple accounts I am guessing they will not normally give a combined discount. Though I could easily see an extended 'buddy' program to reward existing EVE players and get them into the FPS.
Quote: b. PC version of the FPS.
For the moment it sounds like they are not denying a PC version, only confirming specifically the xbox version. If they skip the PC version it will probalby because of either testing constraints (developing a PC game has lower development costs but much higher testing costs), middleware constraints (if they are using an off the shelf or modified engine), or possibly even contractual constraints (exclusive deal?).
If they do have a PC version in the cards they are probably negotiating with Steam right now, and one classic element of contract negotiation is you do NOT talk about it untill everyone gives the go ahead. Which always kinda sucks for developers who generally love talking about what they are doing, but it is a huge no-no that can get you in a lot of trouble.
Which gets me back to a point I forgot to say anything about. All this silence... that is what I am guessing it was. Working out contracts and deal which tied the hands of people who could talk about it. Basically they ran the risk of, if they said anything, potentially shutting down the project.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.19 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nekopyat
Originally by: riverini
After heavy consideration, i need to admit that you are right, more time will be needed to see how this goes, but still we are no getting WiS and this is what ****es me off!!!!!
I would not be surprised if they released some version of WiS at the same time as DUST. Avatar interaction between the two interfaces would be a real killer app. I doubt DUST and WiS use the same engine though. If this was their first console title I would hope they went with existing middleware, which may or may not mesh well with EVE's own graphics engine.
Quote: a. A combined EVE subscription.
This will naturally depend on how they actually handle subscriptions to DUST in general. If it is simply part of xbox live then there is no additional cost to the consumer and thus they might not have the structure in place for seperate billing. If they do have a seperate subscription I would not be amused if they charged the same ammount since DUST sounds much simpler then EVE. That being said.. since they give no discount (outside the buddy program) for multiple accounts I am guessing they will not normally give a combined discount. Though I could easily see an extended 'buddy' program to reward existing EVE players and get them into the FPS.
Quote: b. PC version of the FPS.
For the moment it sounds like they are not denying a PC version, only confirming specifically the xbox version. If they skip the PC version it will probalby because of either testing constraints (developing a PC game has lower development costs but much higher testing costs), middleware constraints (if they are using an off the shelf or modified engine), or possibly even contractual constraints (exclusive deal?).
If they do have a PC version in the cards they are probably negotiating with Steam right now, and one classic element of contract negotiation is you do NOT talk about it untill everyone gives the go ahead. Which always kinda sucks for developers who generally love talking about what they are doing, but it is a huge no-no that can get you in a lot of trouble.
Which gets me back to a point I forgot to say anything about. All this silence... that is what I am guessing it was. Working out contracts and deal which tied the hands of people who could talk about it. Basically they ran the risk of, if they said anything, potentially shutting down the project.
AGREED!
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Jumanat
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:29:00 -
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Oh man! The guys are CCP are geniuses. What an epic idea for an already epic game!
Personally, I'm not much for FPS, but the integration of the two player environments through WiS is just incredibly ingenious. Players talked about wanting to go to the planet surfaces and walking in stations, now you can get BOTH!
The strategic depth in this game is increased immensely with this addition. The opportunities for intrigue endless.
This raises in my head the specter of just having capital ships surround a planet and nuking the Dust community to death tho. Not sure how that issue will be handled, but bravo all around!
Good Lord, I'm so glad I found this game!
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.19 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jumanat Oh man! The guys are CCP are geniuses. What an epic idea for an already epic game!
Personally, I'm not much for FPS, but the integration of the two player environments through WiS is just incredibly ingenious. Players talked about wanting to go to the planet surfaces and walking in stations, now you can get BOTH!
The strategic depth in this game is increased immensely with this addition. The opportunities for intrigue endless.
This raises in my head the specter of just having capital ships surround a planet and nuking the Dust community to death tho. Not sure how that issue will be handled, but bravo all around!
Good Lord, I'm so glad I found this game!
Well the WiS <<>> DUST idea was propposed @ a forum in massively.com, but i mean, it makes sense right? that could really elevate this to something amazing.
Now, am an excellent FPS gamer, but on PC, the KeyBoard / Mouse setup is unbeatable, that's why i would like to see this on PC.... now if they could merge DUST into EVE online for the PC client, i would be perfectly willing to pay premium for that...
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Orbius Prime
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.19 12:12:00 -
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i am so looking forward to this!
I hope they do it like this :
EVE online players can set up "missions" for dust, the eve online player has to transport " freedom fighters, kameiras, marines/ soldiers / elite soldiers /planetary vehicals" - all types of trade goods to the planet, and provide those to the dust mission.
Once the mission + goods are installed, the battleground opens up on the Dust server and dust playesr can join that game.
There could be some options to reserve player slots for -allied forces- and open slots for mercs ( the random people who bought dust)
The amount of players who can actualy fight in the dust missions, types of players and amount of units will be factored by the provided goods by the eve online player/ corp / alliance. Also the size of planet would factor for a base amount of people.
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:31:00 -
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At this point there seems to be a lot of speculation and it may be a good idea for CCP to at a minimum clear the air. The WIS carrot needs updated information or you can let some of your base believe you just gave that carrot to consoles. Watching the Dust video it sure does seem they gave Atmospheric Flight to the consoles, sorry more speculation. I know there has never been a drop date but it sure did SEEM that the 09' Winter Expansion may include WIS, yet more speculation.
So, please CCP just give us some updated information OR tells us you scrapped WIS for the PC/Mac EVE client.
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Da' Hold
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Posted - 2009.08.19 19:34:00 -
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I suppose my questions would be (forgive me if they've been asked already, did not feel like scanning through 100s of reponses.)
Will the toons I've trained for space for the last few years be able to go planetside and participate in gameplay? If so.... COOL! Will they need a completely new skill tree and another freaking 3-4 years worth of training to be a viable part of a landing party? If so.... SUCKS big u know whats!
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Da' Hold I suppose my questions would be (forgive me if they've been asked already, did not feel like scanning through 100s of reponses.)
Will the toons I've trained for space for the last few years be able to go planetside and participate in gameplay? If so.... COOL! Will they need a completely new skill tree and another freaking 3-4 years worth of training to be a viable part of a landing party? If so.... SUCKS big u know whats!
here is the thing and maybe that why i would like to see a EVE-DUST PC integration, bcz with the amount of disciplined EVE pilots we got in alliances (let's face it, some alliance ops are more disciplined that your local police), there is a greater chance of actually getting FPS players to work having in mind grand scale goals.
it would be cool for it to be like this, u get into a station, dock, WiS register for a DROP SHIP, the game switches the client environment from EVE to DUST and you get access to that station's planet, you as an experience and trusted player lead the assaults, say the take out a Guristas colony, the platoon leader get an item like a "device" or a tag or what ever is needed, travel back to the station via planet to station ferry, should someone need to move from one planet to other, it could be the whole process inversely. All this might work IF the PC client is released and integrated to the EVE client, **** i'll gladly pay $10 for FPS rights on my subscription.
Another cool thing would be, that in the same way as alliances will depend on the grunts to capture planets, the grunts would be dependent from the EVE fleet for trans-planet or intergalactic travel, that would be a great way to create co-dependency between the ground army and the space fleet, the grunts wont' see the eve client as we do, they could see a 3d or 2d map of the system and switch to the galaxy system for reference and ETA. To some might sound kind of boring, but i can imagine the eagerness to start doing some killing after a 20 jumps travel lol.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kile Kitmoore At this point there seems to be a lot of speculation and it may be a good idea for CCP to at a minimum clear the air. The WIS carrot needs updated information or you can let some of your base believe you just gave that carrot to consoles. Watching the Dust video it sure does seem they gave Atmospheric Flight to the consoles, sorry more speculation. I know there has never been a drop date but it sure did SEEM that the 09' Winter Expansion may include WIS, yet more speculation.
So, please CCP just give us some updated information OR tells us you scrapped WIS for the PC/Mac EVE client.
with the carrot analogy you just explained exactly how i feel about this, and my only concern...
I would like to see the WiS ASAP on eve... hell they could even use the FPS engine for that and the same maps...
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Xikorita
Mob Thought SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:26:00 -
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I dont like the WIS idea. It is less time for people to be on space pew-pewing
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xikorita I dont like the WIS idea. It is less time for people to be on space pew-pewing
If you don't like it. Don't get out of your ship. It's a simple solution whose execution requires no whining.
I'm looking forward to it. I know a lot of people who, for example, just chat in EVE radio chat channel in the evening and don't undock from the station. Having WiS will allow some bright spark to open up an Eve Radio bar, for example (hint hint), where they can listen to the radio on stream, chat with their mates and play mini-games.
WiS won't be for everyone, but if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to use it :) |

Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout Posted - 03/10/2008 17:36:00
Can we change the name of the thread now? I think the New wore off now that it's close to a year old ;)
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ViolenTUK
Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:30:00 -
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I hope dust has nothing to do with WIS
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lusulpher on 21/08/2009 05:57:25
Originally by: ViolenTUK I hope dust has nothing to do with WIS
Then you will be disappointed, they use the same graphics engine(all praise Euphoria!) and WiS is merely a bridge to the ground combat/terraforming seen in the film Aliens, which CCP has stated years ago was their goal.
It's still on the Drawingboard, they need to update that. And I'm glad they did not wait till 2012. I entered this game expecting a complete scifi world with Politics, Capital ships, mercenaries/exotic dancers who dance(Hilmar forgot to PAY THAT NPC) and dropships.
If it comes out next year, that gives us about 2 years to enjoy it all before we end up jumping out of dropships or dodging alien rays, or Y2K.12, or bowing to Black Jesus. Or whatever those Aztecs saw.
\o/ Watched that presentaion 13 times now, and showing EVERYBODY. 14 WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kronossan
Minmatar 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 13:42:00 -
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We'll probably hear more on fanfest, thats only what? 30 days away hehe _________________
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