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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:12:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1
well. smart move CCP  |

My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
60
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:14:00 -
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You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |

Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
7
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:15:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it.
yes you can, but do you really want to get the banhammer for it? |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
445

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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:16:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it.
Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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PriorofDeath
The Suicide Express Sobriety Test Failures
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:19:00 -
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"it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC"
so stay on grid and boomerange? Still WIN.
Gridfoo you ninjas |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
457
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:22:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:Gridfoo you ninjas
Avoiding the spirit of the law by trying to use the letter of the law, will probably not be looked upon kindly. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
449

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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:27:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:"it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC"
so stay on grid and boomerange? Still WIN.
Gridfoo you ninjas
We are looking into how far this can be stretched. Even if you think you have found a loop hole, do not use it without asking a GM for clarification. Doing so anyway could still result in repercussions. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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PriorofDeath
The Suicide Express Sobriety Test Failures
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:27:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:Gridfoo you ninjas Avoiding the spirit of the law by trying to use the letter of the law, will probably not be looked upon kindly.
The spirit of the law means nothing. The Rules state "warp off grid", so until CCP alters this statement I see no clear proof of law stating that a ban is justifiable for this act of violence. |

Karbox Delacroix
Emo Rage Quit
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:28:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it. Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC
Say I am in 0.5 system with an ice belt. I then gank a Mackinaw with no tank. Am I allowed to warp to the sun and sit there so that Concord spawns and kills me at the sun instead of the belt? I will still have died and I will not have avoided GCC. |

TriadSte
3rd Division
64
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:29:00 -
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I would also ask for the quite fantastic exploit/bug where a webifier acts as a warp disruptor.
About 9-10 days now with no response to my petition.
Can this be sorted too? |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
449

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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:30:00 -
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Karbox Delacroix wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it. Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC Say I am in 0.5 system with an ice belt. I then gank a Mackinaw with no tank. Am I allowed to warp to the sun and sit there so that Concord spawns and kills me at the sun instead of the belt? I will still have died and I will not have avoided GCC.
Yes, if you do not kill anyone else after warping. Note that a software fix will be put into place that may or may not be more or less strict. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
449

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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:31:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:Gridfoo you ninjas Avoiding the spirit of the law by trying to use the letter of the law, will probably not be looked upon kindly. The spirit of the law means nothing. The Rules state "warp off grid", so until CCP alters this statement I see no clear proof of law stating that a ban is justifiable for this act of violence.
This is incorrect, we act on the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. Tread that line at your own risk. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
96
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:31:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:"it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC"
so stay on grid and boomerange? Still WIN.
Gridfoo you ninjas We are looking into how far this can be stretched. Even if you think you have found a loop hole, do not use it without asking a GM for clarification. Doing so anyway could still result in repercussions.
Is it considered an exploit to warp your ship away to a safespot after agressing and once there die without attacking someone else. The point of this being dying without giving anyone player to shoot at me and scoop the loot from my wreck without probing me. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
457
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:32:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:Gridfoo you ninjas Avoiding the spirit of the law by trying to use the letter of the law, will probably not be looked upon kindly. The spirit of the law means nothing. The Rules state "warp off grid", so until CCP alters this statement I see no clear proof of law stating that a ban is justifiable for this act of violence.
GM Homonoia wrote: We are looking into how far this can be stretched. Even if you think you have found a loop hole, do not use it without asking a GM for clarification. Doing so anyway could still result in repercussions.
Reality strikes bull sht for pwnt dmg. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
449

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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:33:00 -
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Comy 1 wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:"it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC"
so stay on grid and boomerange? Still WIN.
Gridfoo you ninjas We are looking into how far this can be stretched. Even if you think you have found a loop hole, do not use it without asking a GM for clarification. Doing so anyway could still result in repercussions. Is it considered an exploit to warp your ship away to a safespot after agressing and once there die without attacking someone else. The point of this being dying without giving anyone player to shoot at me and scoop the loot from my wreck without probing me.
For now this is not an exploit, but this may change in the (near) future. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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gfldex
428
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:36:00 -
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The CCP Award for Loose Wording goes to Lead GM Grimmi! You may want to update it and state that you have to lose your ship within 10 seconds after you gained a GCC in highsec. That wont leave any loopholes that require petitioning.
I know one way to avoid CONCORD that would not fit the wording of that news item. (Not gonna tell you, ofc.)
Goons are the 3%. |

Karbox Delacroix
Emo Rage Quit
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:37:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it. Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC Say I am in 0.5 system with an ice belt. I then gank a Mackinaw with no tank. Am I allowed to warp to the sun and sit there so that Concord spawns and kills me at the sun instead of the belt? I will still have died and I will not have avoided GCC. Yes, if you do not kill anyone else after warping. Note that a software fix will be put into place that may or may not be more or less strict.
I know it would be impolite to ask you to kiss and tell, but it would seem that one way to do this would be to increase the response time of Concord. They get to the location faster and immediately warp scram/disrupt you. That or make it so that once Concord are after you, they have 0 warp time after the initial wait. So you warp off grid and when you land Concord is instantly upon you.
I understand the debate between the letter and spirit of the law and while the spirit of the law allows mercy, it allows allows a certain degree of arbitrariness. I want to comply with the rules as best as I am able and that means understanding what is expected of me. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
452

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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:38:00 -
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gfldex wrote:The CCP Award for Loose Wording goes to Lead GM Grimmi! You may want to update it and state that you have to lose your ship within 10 seconds after you gained a GCC in highsec. That wont leave any loopholes that require petitioning.
I know one way to avoid CONCORD that would not fit the wording of that news item. (Not gonna tell you, ofc.)
As said earlier, it is always considered an exploit to avoid CONCORD. As for the loose wording, what you stated would invalidate some (currently) legal tactics and we do not want to limit our players any further than we have to. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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PriorofDeath
The Suicide Express Sobriety Test Failures
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:48:00 -
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"Hi, GM ****** here,
The issue is not specifically that you warp off grid but just that you warp. It will be fixed shortly anyway, so I wouldn't worry about trying to find clever ways around it."
I stand corrected. Seems they are fixing it.
When ever in Eve has a petition been responded to in under 5 minutes? O.o
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
566
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:50:00 -
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TBH, Concord should be a player profession where the cops fly the concord ships and they get to chase us baddies. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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gfldex
428
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:53:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:As said earlier, it is always considered an exploit to avoid CONCORD. As for the loose wording, what you stated would invalidate some (currently) legal tactics and we do not want to limit our players any further than we have to.
You mean to tinker with the CONCORD spawn timer is fine? You may be in for a surprise. :)
Goons are the 3%. |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
59
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:54:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:gfldex wrote:The CCP Award for Loose Wording goes to Lead GM Grimmi! You may want to update it and state that you have to lose your ship within 10 seconds after you gained a GCC in highsec. That wont leave any loopholes that require petitioning.
I know one way to avoid CONCORD that would not fit the wording of that news item. (Not gonna tell you, ofc.)
As said earlier, it is always considered an exploit to avoid CONCORD. As for the loose wording, what you stated would invalidate some (currently) legal tactics and we do not want to limit our players any further than we have to.
This is good to know
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:03:00 -
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This is a ******* terrible system tbh. It works for suicide gankers that read the forums, but consider the following.
Warning: Rant begins.
Player 'Bob' is a pirate. He is also a casual player, and does not read the forums. He like blowing up mackinaws in Oishami. Player 'Bob' has pirate friend 'Jill'. Jill shows him a cool trick where he can do a bit more damage before getting concorded. Bob thinks this is really cool
But Bob is also an upstanding citizen of Eve. He checks the available rules, which state that avoiding death by concord is illegal. But using Jill's trick, Bob might live a little longer, but he still dies to Concord. So everything seems legit. A few days later he gets temp banned by a GM.
The problem in the above scenario is as follows. There are readily available rules in EvE. These rules are readily enforced by concord. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for violating the law.
But in the above scenario, Bob isn't ignorant of the law. He is ignorant of some vague 'spirit of the law' which is a subjective interpretation by a handful of GM's which changes on a pretty regular basis(1)(2). You can ask people to obey the law. It is their responsibility to do so. But asking people to keep up with how, currently, the GM's interpret the law by way of EvE-O forums is dumb. Because that's exactly what this 'spirit of the law' crap is doing (no offense intended).
Rant over.
(1) Example: in the past people have been punished for dropping decloak cans on gates and in bubbles. Only quite recently, within the last year or so, has dropping large amount of cans on a gate for purposes of decloak been effectively 'legalized'
(2)Example: Rapecageing supers in a pos by deploying tons of bubbles to cover every escape routes was also punishable at one point. It is not any longer. |

gfldex
428
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:09:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:But in the above scenario, Bob isn't ignorant of the law.
Player Bob will be given a warning for the first offense, as usual. Goons are the 3%. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
510
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:11:00 -
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So, you've taken away our ability to run from the police in a sandbox.
Well done CCP.
FREE MITTENS! |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
653
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:12:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:"it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC"
so stay on grid and boomerange? Still WIN.
Gridfoo you ninjas We are looking into how far this can be stretched. Even if you think you have found a loop hole, do not use it without asking a GM for clarification. Doing so anyway could still result in repercussions.
Back in my days at T-Mobile, that's what we called an 'unauthorized workaround'; if you used one of those, you could kiss your employment goodbye.
Gaming the system is not worth it, Prior. I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
461

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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:13:00 -
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We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here:
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp
I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
452
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:15:00 -
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Just implement the insta scram and delayed death ray as suggested during FanFest already. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |

Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
416
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:16:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:Gridfoo you ninjas Avoiding the spirit of the law by trying to use the letter of the law, will probably not be looked upon kindly. The spirit of the law means nothing. The Rules state "warp off grid", so until CCP alters this statement I see no clear proof of law stating that a ban is justifiable for this act of violence.
You do realize that CCP always has that "we can ban you at any time for any reason or no reason at all" thing for them to fall back on, right? So CCP can decide to ban you based on the "spirit of the law" and you won't be able to use some sort of technicality to force CCP to not ban you. |

Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
139
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:17:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:"it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC"
so stay on grid and boomerange? Still WIN.
Gridfoo you ninjas
I thought purposefully mucking with the grid was also an "exploit". |
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