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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:48:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Comy 1 wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:@GM or Devs
Any reason why you cant just make CONCORD act faster and harder?
I mean its a game, its not real, you control those metrics and the code behind it Because there has to be a balance to it. Why would concord act instantly in a 0.5 system, effectively making it a 1.0? I don't think people PvEing would be happy about mission payouts and asteroid spawns would be the same as in 1.0 in all high sec systems. The best way to solve these exploits that I have heard of so far is the insta scram and fixed delay depending on system security for the death ray. So with respect whats the difference insta scram and insta death? you are still going to die, its just delaying it
Instant scram but delayed death allows non alpha ships (like blaster boats) to fire multiple rounds into a ship in e.g. a 0.5 system. This makes more ships than 1400mm artillery boats viable for ganking. |
The Crushah
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
12
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:50:00 -
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There are only 3 certainties in this world:
1) Death
2) Taxes
3) CCP getting all butthurt and passive agressive over the unintended consequences of their sandbox game.
"Hey guys, weve created this great game, where you can shape your own universe and carve your own path in the game! But wait... we cant let them do that. Oh dear, we cant let them do that either. Oh no that will never work... You know what, forget it, lets just redefine every item in the game to have a singular focus so that nobody can use it for anything other than what we originally had in mind. Wont that be fun?"
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BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:53:00 -
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CCP did it wrong again.
Why not just make concord quicker with each kill? The ganker is giving up gank in exchange for the inertia stabs which doesnt mean we will actually pop the target.
Also the target has AMPLE oppertunity to prevent this from happening. This is nothing more then a CPA.
CPA - Carebear Protection Act
Auto piloting non escorted freighter = win for carebears....
Lt. Colonel
of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General
of The Gallente Federation |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:01:00 -
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Shouldnt the cops be more on the ball? |
Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:05:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote: that may or may not be more or less strict.
Wut? 
lol ;)
~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Welsige
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:07:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:CCP did it wrong again.
Why not just make concord quicker with each kill? The ganker is giving up gank in exchange for the inertia stabs which doesnt mean we will actually pop the target.
Also the target has AMPLE oppertunity to prevent this from happening. This is nothing more then a CPA.
CPA - Carebear Protection Act
Auto piloting non escorted freighter = win for carebears....
This, somewhat this rule, even if i do not suicide gank, makes little sense and sounds too artificial.
~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Alta Hibra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:12:00 -
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Stop whining. When a single tornado with a bumping alt can kill a freighter in high sec something is obviously broken.
You can still get that freighter kill, but it'll require more isk and more players. |
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:14:00 -
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I don't really see why people are fussing about something that was obviously an exploit from the start being declared an exploit.
:cripes: |
Geddon4Life
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:15:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:
This is incorrect, we act on the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. Tread that line at your own risk.
This means specific indicidents can be arbitrarily acted upon by different GMs. This is Not Good. I understand that some people may not like a GM having the right to make a judgement call, but this is something that is also necessary. No set of rules can be held up by the letter of the law. Once you only use the letter of the law you have only 2 options: 1. Accept that people who want to be bad (the people that these laws are here to stop) will always find a loophole to get to the people they want to be bad to (the people these laws are designed to protect); thereby making any system of (social) rules ineffective. The limitations of the human languages simply do not let you define all possible situations; this is why everyone is always expected to act responsibly according to the spirit of the law. To find the balance between sticking to the rules and bending them to innovate is the type of balance that you learn to seek out when you grow up as a kid and get into scrapes on the school yard. 2. OR you can set up the rules so strictly and in such a limiting manner that emergent behavior and any form of innovation becomes completely impossible. We could easily fix this by simply making it impossible to attack anyone in high sec ever, no exceptions. This is a situation no one wants. In other words, making judgement calls will always be part of running a sandbox game. Making sure that a GM is capable of doing this properly is a very important part of our hiring, training and auditing process. This is also why escalation of a support ticket is always a possibility (from non-senior to senior) and why peer review is a very important part of our operating procedures.
Keep moving the goal posts...
If you do NOT want ships to warp away from the GANK area, then have Concord dictors put a bubble up.
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Iggep
Crestlighter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:18:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:PriorofDeath wrote:Gridfoo you ninjas Avoiding the spirit of the law by trying to use the letter of the law, will probably not be looked upon kindly. The spirit of the law means nothing. The Rules state "warp off grid", so until CCP alters this statement I see no clear proof of law stating that a ban is justifiable for this act of violence. This is incorrect, we act on the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. Tread that line at your own risk.
Which means there is no line what so ever. It means you basically rule through complete arbitrariness. I'm sorry but that doesn't exactly feel right to me. "You" write the rules. So write them.
http://www.iggepsrealm.com - the ramblings of a spaceship driving techophile |
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:18:00 -
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Welsige wrote:GM Homonoia wrote: that may or may not be more or less strict. Wut? lol ;)
You're only gonna get one shot from now on, so don't miss and bring some friends.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:19:00 -
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And yet dec scraping is still perfectly acceptable.
Sigh.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
53
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:22:00 -
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PriorofDeath wrote:The spirit of the law means nothing. The Rules state "warp off grid", so until CCP alters this statement I see no clear proof of law stating that a ban is justifiable for this act of violence.
Last I heard regarding hi-sec shenanigans was that anything trying to or succeeding at avoiding Concord gets hammered .. statement is from a couple of years ago when Cocnord were last buffed. Doubt the "rules" have changed in the meantime.
The notice given is an excessive courtesy (if such a thing exists) if you ask me 
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
624
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:25:00 -
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GM Homo, you need to use your carebear brain for once and ask yourself why an untanked mackinaw that is watching a destroyer warp from roid to roid in an ice belt watching all his friends get popped and not warping off grid himself deserves to live? Or that this unbelievably easily avoided' tactic' is an exploit but decshields aren't. Maybe you guys should GM a game better suited to your mentality like Farmville.
love,
Nicolo
ban npc corps |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
624
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:30:00 -
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Alta Hibra wrote:Stop whining. When a single tornado with a bumping alt can kill a freighter in high sec something is obviously broken. the entitlement of highsec bears to autopilot freighters with zero backup or thought for defense is the problem
a single alt in an assault frig (or a falcon) could save the bear's freighter from a tornado
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R0ot
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:00:00 -
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Simple fix, if you GCC your warp drive get's disabled. |
Jim Luc
Rule of Five
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:06:00 -
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So wait, it's not part of the game to run away from the cops??? I would think that would be a fun game mechanic, to evade the law, how is this an exploit?? I'm not a pirate by any means but my BS meter is all the way up on this one CCP...  |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:08:00 -
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Jim Luc wrote:So wait, it's not part of the game to run away from the cops??? I would think that would be a fun game mechanic, to evade the law, how is this an exploit?? I'm not a pirate by any means but my BS meter is all the way up on this one CCP...
As far as I am aware it has been deemed an exploit to try and escape concord for like nearly forever |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:14:00 -
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Warping around loads of times killing with concord chasing u is not good. Warping off and then back to a freighter to solo it is not good. U should be able to warp out and gank something tho. Concord take 10 sec's to get there so there is easily time to warp out before they spawn but concord should get increasing warp speed and increasing agilty for every second they dont get you. It should be legit to warp out and kill one more target cuz concord hasent spawned by the time u first warp. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:15:00 -
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Simple Fix... remove CONCORD, most anti Sandbox feature of EVE. Or bring them down to Sleeper/Incursions RAT levels and remove all these silly rules about avoiding them. |
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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:16:00 -
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Two fixes..
While under a GCC, at least in highsec, you should be unable to leave your ship, or use a fitting service.. Or better yet, any it would work for low too, while under a GCC, if you use a fitting service, pending the Orca Pilots approval, will give them a GCC too [ probably not the sec hit.. but still make them a concord target in highsec, and a valid target without sec hit in low ]. Aiding the enemy of concord.. Likewise flag the ship and user.. So even if I enter a ship that someone used for a gank, it's still gonna go boom, cause IT was flagged.
The other part is sure, you should be able to enter warp, get to your safe.. But the instant you exit warp, regardless of normal response time for system, the second you come out, concord will be there, and you will be scrammed and jammed. |
Lady Aja
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:16:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:TBH, Concord should be a player profession where the cop-players fly the concord ships and they get to chase us baddies. WHOOP WHOOP! SPACE POLICE!
this would make suicide gankign far more risky under the new pvp mechanics planned..
tornado shoots hauler... everyone on gate opens up on the nado *POP*
his hauler alt warps to the wreck of the target and as soon as he loots becomes a "suspect" and everyone opens up on him.
win/win imo |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
314
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:18:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:We could easily fix this by simply making it impossible to attack anyone in high sec ever, no exceptions. This is a situation no one wants.
No my dearest Watson, on the contrary, this is a situation that a great deal of many people want.
It would be highly appreciated if you did not lie directly to our faces in a manner befitting of voiding your bowels over your exasperated player base.
Why don't you instead tell us about those CONCORD "changes" that are coming up? |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
30
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:18:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:the entitlement of highsec bears to autopilot freighters with zero backup or thought for defense is the problem
a single alt in an assault frig (or a falcon) could save the bear's freighter from a tornado
So true, also what you said about carebears using Dec-Shields, I want that fixed to grind moar tears.
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Alta Hibra
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:20:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Alta Hibra wrote:Stop whining. When a single tornado with a bumping alt can kill a freighter in high sec something is obviously broken. the entitlement of highsec bears to autopilot freighters with zero backup or thought for defense is the problem a single alt in an assault frig (or a falcon) could save the bear's freighter from a tornado
Autpilot is irrelevant, piloted are still vulnerable when aligning.
Highsec bears? Pff. I'm a market pvper. I have more isk at risk at any given moment than the vast majority of pilots.
Yeah a falcon alt could do it, but I'd much rather fly around solo in a cloaking crane and avoid the freighter entirely if this wasn't now an exploit.
The problem is your entitlement to ganking high value targets in high sec for a trivial cost. |
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
10
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:24:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:
2. OR you can set up the rules so strictly and in such a limiting manner that emergent behavior and any form of innovation becomes completely impossible. We could easily fix this by simply making it impossible to attack anyone in high sec ever, no exceptions.This is a situation no one wants.
Instead of making up crazy rules and constantly enforcing them, just fix the game mechanic.
EX. Once you get GCC for the illegal crime, you cant warp.. Seems like a simple fix to me.
For the role player: system-wide CONCORD warp jammer or something. |
Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
16
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:27:00 -
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I'm still having some trouble understanding why it's even considered an exploit... You still lose your ship, unavoidably so, even. I'm sure somebody at CCP was also aware of the intersection between ship agility and CONCORD arrival time....
Or I would be if all signs didn't point to all the brains there aiming for a forced pve grindfest.
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Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:28:00 -
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Well that's a damn shame. Clever use of game mechanics cut down to exploit status. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2020
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:29:00 -
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Zoloft Rx wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:
2. OR you can set up the rules so strictly and in such a limiting manner that emergent behavior and any form of innovation becomes completely impossible. We could easily fix this by simply making it impossible to attack anyone in high sec ever, no exceptions.This is a situation no one wants.
Instead of making up crazy rules and constantly enforcing them, just fix the game mechanic. EX. Once you get GCC for the illegal crime, you cant warp.. Seems like a simple fix to me.For the role player: system-wide CONCORD warp jammer or something.
But it would also limit legitimate gameplay far more than is necessary to address the issue. Very blunt tool to fix one small loophole. A bad fix. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
458
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:32:00 -
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Zavulon Sukkot wrote:I'm still having some trouble understanding why it's even considered an exploit... You still lose your ship, unavoidably so, even. I'm sure somebody at CCP was also aware of the intersection between ship agility and CONCORD arrival time....
Or I would be if all signs didn't point to all the brains there aiming for a forced pve grindfest.
A player in another thread demonstrated he could suicide gank and evade CONCORD long enough for the aggression to expire.
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