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Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.08 07:37:00 - [31] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 07:37:01 Originally by: Tiirae Anyway, the OP is being a dick about not telling people stuff, FFS, how can it possibly hurt you? You don't want to give people a leg up? Why not? Again, how can it possibly hurt you? If you possess valuable knowledge, never give it away for free. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Strill	Posted - 2008.10.08 07:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 07:37:01 Originally by: Tiirae Anyway, the OP is being a dick about not telling people stuff, FFS, how can it possibly hurt you? You don't want to give people a leg up? Why not? Again, how can it possibly hurt you? If you possess valuable knowledge, never give it away for free. You learned that from the Joker didn't you?
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.08 07:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Strill Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 07:37:01 Originally by: Tiirae Anyway, the OP is being a dick about not telling people stuff, FFS, how can it possibly hurt you? You don't want to give people a leg up? Why not? Again, how can it possibly hurt you? If you possess valuable knowledge, never give it away for free. You learned that from the Joker didn't you? Oh god I'm such a poser. Pod me! Quickly! -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 07:37:01 Originally by: Tiirae Anyway, the OP is being a dick about not telling people stuff, FFS, how can it possibly hurt you? You don't want to give people a leg up? Why not? Again, how can it possibly hurt you? If you possess valuable knowledge, never give it away for free. If I had my way, people saying things like that would be dragged out into the street & shot. Really, life's not a competition mate, there's plenty of toys to go around. When all is said and done, the only truly noble and decent thing a human being can do is help others.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:23:00 - [35] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 08:23:40 Originally by: Tiirae If I had my way, people saying things like that would be dragged out into the street & shot. Really, life's not a competition mate, there's plenty of toys to go around. When all is said and done, the only truly noble and decent thing a human being can do is help others. Your superior morality is kind of pissed on by the fact that this is EVE. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 08:23:40 Originally by: Tiirae If I had my way, people saying things like that would be dragged out into the street & shot. Really, life's not a competition mate, there's plenty of toys to go around. When all is said and done, the only truly noble and decent thing a human being can do is help others. Your superior morality is kind of pissed on by the fact that this is EVE. Yeah lol Youcan just see the carebears flailing at there PC's "omfxg he wont show me his lvl5hax >.< unnnnnghhhhh" and tbh i wouldnt join your corp anyhow. and the guys right for not telling anyone why help someone and get nothing in return? this is eve look after your own - cause when you need help there gonna be the only people there to help you ;) -----------------------------------------------
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.08 08:58:00 - [37] Originally by: midge Mo'yb You can just see the carebears flailing at there PC's "omfxg he wont show me his lvl5hax >.< unnnnnghhhhh" It's not even a hax. Anyone can go run a few level 5's and find it for themselves. By all means, I endorse it. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Dracorimus Caldari Edge Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:12:00 - [38] meh... I been doing this for ages, nothing new here. - Die faster damnit!
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.08 09:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Joe Originally by: Arthur Frayn I included that because CCP's initial word on level 5's was that you need capitals to handle them. I don't know how many players follow that guideline, and I wanted to let people know it was false. on average 1/3rd of missions have no acceleration gate and allow capitals. You dont need capitals, nor is it the 'standard' as the majority of missions dont allow them. As far as not naming the 'Faction loot dropoping' mission go's, i find your response pretty childish, like im going to get off my ass, fly halfway across the universe, just to lag out in some caldri mission hub to steal your mission. I only Run Amarrian missions, and i simply wanted to know if there was comparable missions for both caldari and amarr. Your post is a troll as far as im concened, offers no content to properly discuss, and looks purely like this: Quote: I do lvl 5 missions in a BC and logitics (cos im rad) it drops Faction loot (rad) I dont need capitals (cos I'm rad) Why cant you do that(cos your not rad?) not exactly a great start to a general discussions topic, and not exactly inspiring from my piont of view. Damn you seriously need to get laid. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Sabretooth Sheep	Posted - 2008.10.08 11:41:00 - [40] No need for capitals in lvl5s We manage quite easily with one logistics, one commandship and one BS, along with a looter looting and salving as we go =O)and maybe a bit of patience =OP Also, know how to exploit your LPS for maximum gain
Sansha'Seventia	Posted - 2008.10.08 15:57:00 - [41] ive got cake. you're not having any. we're even.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.08 17:11:00 - [42] wow guys. the OP ran a l5 and got some nice drops. he posted about it. why is everyone all up in his junk about it?
Sarah Lapre Looking Glass Research	Posted - 2008.10.08 22:14:00 - [43] How much better is the faction standing/ corp standing for level 5's compared to level 4's?? In the end is it better to run level 5's for standing or better to run level 4's? Right now I don't care about isk, lp, bounties, etc... Just standing.
Elle D The Taco Stand	Posted - 2008.10.09 00:34:00 - [44] if you can run L5's you don't have to worry about standing...unless you've got some very messed up faction/corp ratios
Erimisha Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/10/2008 08:23:40 Originally by: Tiirae If I had my way, people saying things like that would be dragged out into the street & shot. Really, life's not a competition mate, there's plenty of toys to go around. When all is said and done, the only truly noble and decent thing a human being can do is help others. Your superior morality is kind of pissed on by the fact that this is EVE. Then why bother to make this thread to begin with?
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 09/10/2008 04:56:45 Originally by: Erimisha Then why bother to make this thread to begin with? I don't need to be condescended to. I made this thread to point out that a game feature, which I've heard players criticise in the past, is extremely well worth the effort. I don't need you imposing on me your idea of what makes a valuable or worthless thread. You are not qualified to make value judgements here because you too play an internet spaceship game and you post on an internet spaceship game forum. Life's not a competition? What fantasy world are you living in? Get over yourself. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:06:00 - [47] Edited by: Harrent on 09/10/2008 05:14:16 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 09/10/2008 04:56:45 Originally by: Erimisha Then why bother to make this thread to begin with? I don't need to be condescended to. I made this thread to point out that a game feature, which I've heard players criticise in the past, is extremely well worth the effort. I don't need you imposing on me your idea of what makes a valuable or worthless thread. You are not qualified to make value judgements here because you too play an internet spaceship game and you post on an internet spaceship game forum. Life's not a competition? What fantasy world are you living in? Get over yourself. After reading the first page of these posts and much of the second page i realized that it's a waste of time. First, if you truly have made this to point out an important game feature wouldn't you do it in the beginning and not at the end? Why not say, "5's rock, they are constantly ripped on, but heres the data i collected that says otherwise," like an intelligent poster instead of, "5's rock because i say so and i have absolutely no proof because i feel like being a troll" like an idiot poster. Second, if you post a thread and thereby reply to a thread you are intuitively asking for approval in the first place, thus, you have offically negated the purpose of your own thread by saying you dont care what people think. Therefore, it is in fact, useless. After all if your purpose was to inform people of this fact that 5's rock and yet you cannot prove it or support it with anything more than guesses, isnt that the very definision of useless? Finally, if your readers of the content YOU posted aren't qualified to make judgements on what is usefull to them or useless to them, then whom may i ask is? This post has taken 12 minutes from my life i will never get back... Semper Fi
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:09:00 - [48] I don't think you're convincing anybody. I could tell you how awesome something is, and how much money I make doing it, and how you're just too stupid to figure out "how to do it right". I would just be trolling, however. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Wet Ferret I don't think you're convincing anybody. I could tell you how awesome something is, and how much money I make doing it, and how you're just too stupid to figure out "how to do it right". I would just be trolling, however. SOOOO True... Thank you Ferret. Semper Fi
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:28:00 - [50] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 09/10/2008 05:29:12 Originally by: Harrent First, if you truly have made this to point out an important game feature wouldn't you do it in the beginning and not at the end? Why not say, "5's rock, they are constantly ripped on, but heres the data i collected that says otherwise," like an intelligent poster instead of, "5's rock because i say so and i have absolutely no proof because i feel like being a troll" like an idiot poster. Oh I'm sorry, you wanted screenshots? Perhaps the experimental results of level 5 rewards compared with level 4's acting as a control group? Maybe I should post the EFT stats for the passive tanked Onyx since you think I should be required to prove it can tank 1600dps while using no cap. Would you even like me to fleet up with you, take you to a level 5 and point at the faction battleship worth 10 million isk on the overview? I can even open its wreck and point at the faction loot inside if you like! I started this thread by saying my personal experience with level 5's led me to some valuable rewards. Nobody is obligated to believe me. I threw down a challenge for others to try them and see for themselves. You're an arrogant, and stupid little shit. And please go look up what an ad hominem means before you start accusing me of pulling one. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:51:00 - [51] Originally by: Joe Originally by: Paramite Pies How much ISK (ISK + Loot Value) can you get from 1 Level 5? Usually about 30m if the rats have bounties, Most of the time tho theres no bountys but lots of faction tags. TOTAL BOUNTIES: http://www.battleclinic.com/wiki/index.php/Level_4_%28Eve_Online%29 Semper Fi
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 06:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 09/10/2008 05:29:12 Originally by: Harrent First, if you truly have made this to point out an important game feature wouldn't you do it in the beginning and not at the end? Why not say, "5's rock, they are constantly ripped on, but heres the data i collected that says otherwise," like an intelligent poster instead of, "5's rock because i say so and i have absolutely no proof because i feel like being a troll" like an idiot poster. Oh I'm sorry, you wanted screenshots? Perhaps the experimental results of level 5 rewards compared with level 4's acting as a control group? Maybe I should post the EFT stats for the passive tanked Onyx since you think I should be required to prove it can tank 1600dps while using no cap. Would you even like me to fleet up with you, take you to a level 5 and point at the faction battleship worth 10 million isk on the overview? I can even open its wreck and point at the faction loot inside if you like! I started this thread by saying my personal experience with level 5's led me to some valuable rewards. Nobody is obligated to believe me. I threw down a challenge for others to try them and see for themselves. You're an arrogant, and stupid little shit. And please go look up what an ad hominem means before you start accusing me of pulling one. Pointless... Semper Fi
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Harrent Pointless... NO U R Originally by: Harrent And Quote: You're an arrogant, and stupid little shit. Thanks for pulling another ad hominem. I knew you wouldn't get what an ad hominem is. Your being arrogant and stupid doesn't make your argument fail. Saying that would be an ad hominem. I said your argument simply fails, and also you're arrogant and stupid. And a shit. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:08:00 - [54] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: Harrent Pointless... NO U R Originally by: Harrent And Quote: You're an arrogant, and stupid little shit. Thanks for pulling another ad hominem. I knew you wouldn't get what an ad hominem is. Your being arrogant and stupid doesn't make your argument fail. Saying that would be an ad hominem. I said your argument simply fails, and also you're arrogant and stupid. And a shit. Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. Yet another one... Good job. Semper Fi
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Harrent Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are used as an attempt to invalidate the opponents argument. Fixed. I never said being stupid made you wrong. I said you were wrong and coincidentally stupid. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Harrent Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:17:00 - [56] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Originally by: Harrent Ad hominem abusive (also called argumentum ad personam) usually and most notoriously involves insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensibly damning character flaws or actions which are used as an attempt to invalidate the opponents argument. Fixed. I never said being stupid made you wrong. I said you were wrong and coincidentally stupid. Still doesnt change the fact that your argument is incomplete. The fundamental argument that you were being a troll by creating a thread without proof or a point and then ripping on everyone that posted asking for help still stands. You were being a troll and in responding to my posts, a flamer. So who doesnt know what an ad hominem is? Sounds like someone uses terms which they do not understand. Would that make someone seem stupid? Perhaps. I guess the rest as they say, is history. Have a good night. Semper Fi
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:26:00 - [57] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 09/10/2008 07:26:15 Originally by: Harrent Still doesnt change the fact that your argument is incomplete. The fundamental argument that you were being a troll by creating a thread without proof or a point and then ripping on everyone that posted asking for help still stands. You were being a troll and in responding to my posts, a flamer. Go run a level 5 and stop whining about not getting proof or help. I never ripped on anybody. I never started my thread saying "here is my argument, now I shall withhold proof and command you to believe me!". I started by saying I found something awesome and you can believe me or not. Take it or leave it. You have nothing to lose, but might have something to gain. You're the one calling it a troll, and you saying it don't make it so. You're right, you don't know what an ad hominem is. You are indeed using terms you don't understand. And it does make you seem stupid. Goodnight! -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Princess Scarlite Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Harrent Edited by: Harrent on 09/10/2008 05:14:16 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 09/10/2008 04:56:45 Originally by: Erimisha Then why bother to make this thread to begin with? I don't need to be condescended to. I made this thread to point out that a game feature, which I've heard players criticise in the past, is extremely well worth the effort. I don't need you imposing on me your idea of what makes a valuable or worthless thread. You are not qualified to make value judgements here because you too play an internet spaceship game and you post on an internet spaceship game forum. Life's not a competition? What fantasy world are you living in? Get over yourself. After reading the first page of these posts and much of the second page i realized that it's a waste of time. First, if you truly have made this to point out an important game feature wouldn't you do it in the beginning and not at the end? Why not say, "5's rock, they are constantly ripped on, but heres the data i collected that says otherwise," like an intelligent poster instead of, "5's rock because i say so and i have absolutely no proof because i feel like being a troll" like an idiot poster. Second, if you post a thread and thereby reply to a thread you are intuitively asking for approval in the first place, thus, you have offically negated the purpose of your own thread by saying you dont care what people think. Therefore, it is in fact, useless. After all if your purpose was to inform people of this fact that 5's rock and yet you cannot prove it or support it with anything more than guesses, isnt that the very definision of useless? Finally, if your readers of the content YOU posted aren't qualified to make judgements on what is usefull to them or useless to them, then whom may i ask is? This post has taken 12 minutes from my life i will never get back... qft
JanSVK	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:51:00 - [59] I was running lvl 5 and would like to know. Did you ever got probed by pirates? And what did you do after you got probed and they set up there? Aborting a lvl 5 mission takes about 0.6 from the NPC corp standings and the bonus has a time limit. The first time I did a lvl 5 mission in low-sec with a few pirates around I got probed and they brought Jammers, BSs, Commad ships and even a Carrier. They obviously where using recon probes (ferret..) because I was using my ship scanner every few minutes to look for probes and didn't saw any.
DukeHilton	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:57:00 - [60] Nice attitude the OP poster shows here... Can't be more than 10 years old I'd say...

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