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Redent SC	Posted - 2008.10.09 08:41:00 - [31] Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:45:37 Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:44:48 Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era ok mate, lets get this straight. Number one, America did not invent democracy. They bearly practice it to this day caugh 2004 elections caugh. The first truly democratic nation were the acient greeks (and possibly arabs before that). The only way you could compare yourselves to the Gallenteans in this respect is the "new era" section. Even this is highly debatable as maybe one hundred years before america was even brought into being, the English civial war ended with the creation of parliment. Now i am English, however i am trying not to be biest in anyway here. I hate the way the country i am so proud to be part of is turning more and more americanised. I don't dislike americans, i dislike the way the american system works. Americans are what the english were like 200 years ago.. "here you go" says the american/englishman to some native from a county that has somthing we want "you have these shiny beads, and we will have from where your standing to the horizon". or in americas case, just bomb them. i realise this has goning slightly off topic and i appologise. I just couldn't pass up an oppotunity to say what i think. But in short, no.. Gallente aint the americans of eve. Gallente state aint anything like modern day america in the slightest. Caldari state is more similar to america than anything else sorry if i rambled, just had to let it shine :) Redent
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:14:00 - [32] I was expecting a dynamic universe, to seek out new life and destroy it, to boldly go - in the times after work - where no nerd has gone before. It was somewhat different. My Ibis flew into 0.0, got insta destroyed and podded, and then had to mine for ISK for a week. Then I saw, that my ship had only a few options, much less then I was expecting. No immersion, almost no visible change of mods I placed on it. Then I started treating it as a "symbol" game. There isn't a random factor which occurs, so the actions became mechanical and repetitious. But as I am an SF fan, a builder-type-gamer, I kept playing. Supporting my favourite genre with hard earned real money, hoping for new things. I hope Ambulation gives me some happyness. I also hope that the space of eve will become more unique in each system, region, sec space. Just like totally different stations, logo's on my ship, more visible effects of mods. A bridge view, with exotic dancers. Ooh how beautifully erotic and dark the void could be. Till then, I just build on. Expanding my empire of Dirt. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 09/10/2008 09:18:00 edit: nvm the longer post that was here before. Short version is that everyone who's tried to compare any Eve faction in an absolute sense to something on Earth is wrong.
Gealbhan Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:56:00 - [34] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA Except America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic But anyway when I started Eve-o I had no real pre-conceptions other than it was "some space game" my fellow DJ's raved about when I was a 'net DJ. So I signed up, joined a player corp from day 1 and learned from the guys. That corp is gone now but I'm still playng on.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:04:00 - [35] The start was pretty much what I thought it would be. I picked Gallente because I like Armor and when I saw the Tristan, I was sold! I wanted to become a industrialist and thus made my character that way. Now that I look at it...i might have started with different path, but now that I have more SP it's started to balance itself. No way to become a good industrialist in Eve from the begining and as a noob. You need Eve-experience before going that route. The best thing I did in the beginning was that I made equal attributes for my character (only +2 in INT + MEM) and that has done marvels. Doesn't make any skill to much of a pain to learn, also the learning skill grinding in the beginning did a lot. I got the attributes up and while waiting for them I studied Eve (ingame and on the web). Learned a lot about stuff while waiting. Without that "marathon" I would have definetly made more errors and pops. Joining my corp was the next best thing. I had thought about going solo, but that would have been stupid. I'm still in the same corp and the corp decided to venture into 0.0 and that has been a blast. Eve: Study, learn, get friends, evolve, fail, learn more.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Apoctasy Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA It's too bad the Gallente are of French origin. As is democracy. Sure the greeks some might say but those slavekeeping pedos doesn't really count in my book. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:35:00 - [37] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them haha lawl Sorry, I really wanted to give a serious reply but after readin that I just couldnt ----------------- My EvE Comic
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Apoctasy Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA It's too bad the Gallente are of French origin. So is American Democracy.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:52:00 - [39] Heh, I gotta laugh all the europeans criticizing Americans for not knowing anything about places overseas then making statements like "Americans ate themselves to death before the EVE gate was created, etc." Maybe you should stop learning about the US from the news and TV? It's kinda biased and inaccurate... -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Ore 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 09/10/2008 11:15:22 Oh guys come on. Gallente = Europe. Democracy on a liberal sense in terms of peoples rights and decedance. Caldari = America. Splintered Democracy based on money, industry, military might and corporations. Minmatar = Africa/Middle East/Ancient America. Trible influences. Heavy industry but bad conditions. Low tech Ammarr = Undefined mix of relgion and salvery. Essential a mix of European and American ideals that no longer really exists. Try like 14th to 18th century. And as someone who has lived in the middle east all my life, certainly not muslim. Its more crusader (christian) than anything else.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Corwain Heh, I gotta laugh all the europeans criticizing Americans for not knowing anything about places overseas then making statements like "Americans ate themselves to death before the EVE gate was created, etc." Maybe you should stop learning about the US from the news and TV? It's kinda biased and inaccurate... First of all a disclaimer: - I'm neither anti- nor pro US - I have friends in the US Back to your post - I immediately felt guilty for us biased Europeans who have completely wrong impressions about the US, so I decided to find an objective source of information - WHO (World Health Organization). I went to their website and searched for statistical data, which is readily available here Result (randomly chosen countries with focus on extremes/Europe/USA): Country Prevalence of adults (>=15 years) who are obese (%) female Prevalence of adults (>=15 years) who are obese (%) male Belgium 13.4 11.9 Czech Republic 16.3 13.7 Denmark 9.1 9.8 Germany 12.3 13.6 Greece 18.2 26.0 Iraq 38.2 26.2 Lithuania 19.2 20.6 Norway 5.9 6.4 Sweden 9.5 10.4 Switzerland 7.5 7.9 Tonga 74.9 56.1 UK 23.0 22.3 USA 33.2 31.1 My home country Austria was not mentioned - probably we are too ashamed
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:51:00 - [42] Amarr = Byzantine Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:17:00 - [43] I'm not sure what you're trying to say Mr. Lecter. Is Denmark fine saying everybody in the UK is a fatty and they're gonna eat themselves to death because they have ~10% less obesity than the UK? If not then why is it fine when the UK says the same about the states? Basically I could understand the statements coming from Europeans if the US had over 50% obesity, but we don't, and where I'm from 9/10 Americans are thin as a rod. Of course I work on a college campus and most Americans don't start putting on weight until they're in middle age and only then if they've got a good appetite and a nice job to support that appetite. Another flaw I see is that some of these countries in the study are about the size of a US state. I'd bet that if you measured each US state by itself you'd find quite a fluctuation in obesity, as there is certainly a large fluctuation in typical diets from region to region. The US is a big place. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Fettys Girl	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:23:00 - [44] Main (wich i cant post with before somebody says post with your main ) is amarr amarr because golden ships and pewpew lasers and this character here because of the stats simple as that and i choose amarr because of the things i had heard about eve and the backstorys presented at the character creation screen but as it turned out the events involving players, where i could participate at my own choosing or simply ignore them, stoped existing the "anicent gone races" appears to have been done in a day or two and consists of some weired exploration sites that offer not much lore there is absolutly no point in any celestial objects exept stations and gates the universe has already been explored for me (not just empire) the continuing backstorys of the game that i can read about out of the game have no actual effect on the game the sandbox that is the side of eve with guns is suprisingly limited the sandbox that are my ships are realy suprisingly limited and the sandbox that is the industrial side of eve is sufficiently complex (could be more ) but the supplied tools on how to work with it (UI etc) are half baked but this is the only mmo that caters to my internet spacehip needs so here i am adapting and still playing
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Corwain I'm not sure what you're trying to say Mr. Lecter. Is Denmark fine saying everybody in the UK is a fatty and they're gonna eat themselves to death because they have ~10% less obesity than the UK? If not then why is it fine when the UK says the same about the states? Actually I just tried to be objective about the topic. This is also why I refrained from commenting on it except on my own home country which for unknown reasons is not included in the statistics. If someone is fat - so what? My very personal opinion is that there is no country of good/bad, skinny/fat, greedy/generous, lazy/hardworking people. If someone is an ahole, he is an ahole and not an American/Austrian/etc. a**hole. People are what they are and it has nothing to do with nationality. If we would finally recognize this we might be able to get rid of our stupid nationalism and treat people as individuals. Peace
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:30:00 - [46] Coming from norway i get the right to call you a bunch of fat people
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:31:00 - [47] I thought it was all about building up a character and comparing my progress with other people. I had hopes that I might become moderately famous but didn't think it very likely. Tbh I didn't give a second's thought to the RP aspect. I picked Amarrian because in the last game I played I was always using missiles and wanted a change this time (oh! the irony() of that ). Other than that all that interested me was a good spread of attributes. I'd have played as a cheese sandwich if the attributes made sense. I intended this char to become a wealthy industrialist that was capable of defending his own interests if he had to. I'm proud to say that's exactly what I achieved. I have another account where the primary char is supposed to be an evil little git. He's not quite there yet. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.*
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:33:00 - [48] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them I have never met an American not being proud of being American until I read this post. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:38:00 - [49] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 09/10/2008 12:38:33 edit Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Kendar None of the races can possibly come from the american heritage, they are all too skinny.. America ate themself to death before eve gate was found haha so true
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Redent SC Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:45:37 Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:44:48 Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era ok mate, lets get this straight. Number one, America did not invent democracy. They bearly practice it to this day caugh 2004 elections caugh. The first truly democratic nation were the acient greeks (and possibly arabs before that). The only way you could compare yourselves to the Gallenteans in this respect is the "new era" section. Even this is highly debatable as maybe one hundred years before america was even brought into being, the English civial war ended with the creation of parliment. Now i am English, however i am trying not to be biest in anyway here. I hate the way the country i am so proud to be part of is turning more and more americanised. I don't dislike americans, i dislike the way the american system works. Americans are what the english were like 200 years ago.. "here you go" says the american/englishman to some native from a county that has somthing we want "you have these shiny beads, and we will have from where your standing to the horizon". or in americas case, just bomb them. i realise this has goning slightly off topic and i appologise. I just couldn't pass up an oppotunity to say what i think. But in short, no.. Gallente aint the americans of eve. Gallente state aint anything like modern day america in the slightest. Caldari state is more similar to america than anything else sorry if i rambled, just had to let it shine :) Redent I live right next to these nutjobs and I approve this message
Mymh Heretache RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:49:00 - [52] I thought EVE was anarchy. Steal and shoot down as much as you can. Turns out it's very structured, hierarchy, politics, economical and industrial balance. I'm not disappointed.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Is for** Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 Amarr = extremist muslims Ya'know cos muslims are the only religous extremists : just going along w/ the times, they are the most pronouced and public "extremeist" religious groups in the world today, at this time Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Caldari = 18th and 19th century british (all about the money and assets) This one is a bit meh : because in 18th and 19th century, you were rich or poor, with little chance of going up a social "class" in your life, the same is with caldari, you are rich or you are poor, you own a mega corp, or live on the streets Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) itt: americans think they invented democrocy or were the first to practice it: READ, first democratic republic of the NEW ERA, iirc, the greeks and romans were a few thousand years ago, and stop being so stero typical, it makes you look ****ed, every american in 9th grade learns that it was the greeks who had the first "democracy" Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 Minmatar = Africans (does that need explaining) :kfc: Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Gealbhan Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA Except America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic But anyway when I started Eve-o I had no real pre-conceptions other than it was "some space game" my fellow DJ's raved about when I was a 'net DJ. So I signed up, joined a player corp from day 1 and learned from the guys. That corp is gone now but I'm still playng on. i konw, republic = representative democracy tell CCP to fix the intro, i saw democratic republic, and it goes along w/ america, all these idiots flaming me and each toehr for saying "but its caldari that are american because they are so capitalistic" need to up their comprehension skills quoted from the intro: at the same time, the gallente race flourished nearby, they created the first democratic REPUBLIC of the new era, and created a regional federation of independent states now that i quoted it from the intro for those who are simply lazy to watch the 5 minute intro again, from THOSE words, which country springs to mind? hint, some attention grabbing words are: first "republic" of the NEW ERA, and "independent states" w/ out canon, or anything you konw about the races most people would probably see america in that view, which is why i picked them now, using your guy's canon about the races, yes, at first glance, caldari do seem more "american" due to capitalism, and massive corporations, but a few flaws in that America is not owned by mega corporations, NOR do those corporations that America has own their own militaries (read some of the chronicles) and this page, Caldari quickly seems to not fit the image of america all that much, (although, they do have similarities) Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:34:00 - [55] I always thought the Caldari were loosely based off the Japanese. Power lies more with the corporations than with governments, focus on high technology, importance of honour and codes of conduct. The system names and some of the ship descriptions (State Issue Raven) seem to bear this out. Also, when I see Amarr, I think of the Spanish Inquisition. Bet none of you expected that huh?! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Stela'Artois Hatori Mining Services	Posted - 2008.10.09 14:23:00 - [56] To the topic...when I started EvE I picked Caldari basically because I a) didnt want to be a slave owner, b) didnt want to be a slave/exslave/emogeek, c) didnt want to be a french raver whose men looked like sissyboys. I was also told that any character could train any ship and race was not really a limiting factor...so I made the one I thought the "best looking" to me. As far as Americans being fat/lazy/arrogant ect ect...yes, we do have fat, lazy, and arrogant citizens...and on an internetz shootzie game where epeen is worth its weight in bantha podo, you are going to find a number of lazy, arrogant, (possibly) fat Americans willing to spout off about how great their country is when the greatest contribution they have made has been earning a blue ribbon in their kindergarten spelling bee (though I doubt it considering the spelling on these forums). As an American I am proud of the many things my country has accomplished. I also recognize with great humility all of the faults and errors we have made, and will continue to make.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.09 15:46:00 - [57] Edited by: BiggestT on 09/10/2008 15:46:34 When you first started EVE...I mined in a bantam in noob systems of course! Then some guys gave me a whopping 900k isk so i bought a destroyer and never looked back to that whole "pasifist" side of EVE Awesome EVE history Missiles ba-oom!
Atsiz Zhurenh Minmatar Tau Ceti Green Card Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:15:00 - [58] Originally by: Gealbhan Except America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic QFT Originally by: Stela'Artois As an American I am proud of the many things my country has accomplished. I also recognize with great humility all of the faults and errors we have made, and will continue to make. Yeah, just like any other country we have good parts and bad... I for one am not to proud of the imperialist things we have done... On topic, I don't think you can really peg the Eve races to any one country/people from today, or ever really. They have certain aspects of different things, but they are by no means mirrors of history. Amarr: They seem to have the same feudal system of government common in medieval Asia, think the families of Japan or China, combined with the religious zeal of the Spanish Inquisition, the Taleban, or Atheist USSR, and the chattel slavery of Tsarist Russia (serfdom), the American south in the early 1800's, or the Roman emipre. Caldari: They have many things in common with modern day Japan; heavily industrialized, huge focus on productivity and work ethic, and cultural ambivalence towards religion. That being said, they also share some in common with Germany, that they have always been at the forefront of new technology development, and they give little thought to aesthetics. Their form of government has some in common with Imperialist Britain, with the intertwined nature of business and government (think East India Trading Company). Gallente: They have much in common with the liberalized portion of western society. They have an almost extreme pursuit of freedom and liberty, which has been recently thrown into turmoil by attack (9/11 or subway bombings anyone?). However, their government, while being a democratic republic, reminds me more of India, Lebanon, or South Africa, because rather than a mostly homogeneous society of one background and ethnicity, they are a coalition of the (mostly) willing that must deal with fundamental differences in culture when attempting to function in government. Minmatar: They have things in common with many cultures, unfortunately. While the Brutor are based off of tribal warrior cultures, specifically the Maori, they also share the idea of being overrun by imperialist forces that subjugate and destroy the culture and people. Think of the Aztecs: while 'privative' by European standards, they had a large, advanced, warrior based society that functioned well until the Spanish zealots showed up, decimated their culture, and made colonies and virtual slaves of the populace. This was repeated in Africa, Asia, and others. Finally, they have much in common with China, because they for many years were under the heal of foreign powers. Now that they are completely independent and resurgent, they feel they have something to prove to the rest of the world, just as the Minmatar are resurgent, and while still maybe not as powerful as the Amarr, they are definitely a force to be reckoned with that grows stronger by the day, much faster than other nations. /rant I picked Minmatar originally because I thought "Ohhh fast ships I will go so fast and avoid getting killed" Then I wizened up and now I fly Amarr ships (BEFORE they got buffed thank you) because I like the lasers and their sexy ships.
Jamez Graand I.M.M	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:24:00 - [59] I really didn't have many expectations except lots of pew pew (I watched a lot of Goonswarm videos and loved them). I am completely satisfied with how everything is going, and how the whole game actually works. I joined a corp on the first day after reading it was highly recommended, and barraged them with all my questions. I originally wanted to make an Amarr character because I liked the look of their ships but after reading about their heritage and beliefs I decided against that. I then chose Gallente because I thought it represented me the most. I'm Canadian (Democracy) and speak French (one of the official languages of Canada). I'm surprised no one mentioned Canadians being like the Gallente race.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 18:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Letifer Deus Yeah... And the whole having emperors, "old world" feel and a religion suspiciously like Catholicism just SCREAMS America.... Caldari are more like Americans, although there's a lot of Russian mixed in as well. American - Everything is utilitarian, large corporations running the show. Russian - Everything is based around military might and control. Gallente - European based. More interested in image than anything else. Minmatar - Third world. Poorer countries making things out whatever can be salvaged and glued together. Amarr - Has to be Japanese The Emporer, religion, everything is for honour and respect has to be earned. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.

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