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soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 02:26:00 - [1] when you first started the game, how did you think the EVE universe would be like? like did you think it was about making all the money you possibly could? did you think it was a game of race vs. race when you first saw the intro movie, what influenced you to be the race that you are? ect. when i first started eve, i kind of went by the info i could find on it (mainly wikipedia) i was thinking about trying out my first MMO and typed in MMO in wikipedia, and saw eve, and apparently picked the right one but when i first started it, i saw the intro, and took all that i had read from wikipedia about it, and kinda formed my own image of how it was like my view of EVE was that it was kinda something like a Star Wars type of universe, harsh, every man for himself no teams, and take no prisoners when i saw the Tristan flying above the city when (in the intro) they were talking about the gallente, i figured you had to like build your own ship, (dont ask me why that popped into my head, lol) and that they were semi hard to kill, kinda like ships were hard to come by in-game, build it yourself, or custom order it from a ship builder or something i thought no where was safe at all, that at any time you could undock and just because someoen didnt like your name, they could blow you out of the water w/ out consequences of any sort, and these kinds of things are what brought me to the game now needless to say, the way i imagined the game wasnt the way it turned out, and tbh, for a while, i was kinda . . . meh to the game i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them it was also the background picture, of the city in the back, kinda reminded me of that scene from Star Wars episode II, where obi-wan kenobi went into the bar to get a drink, and out of nowhere, someone offers him some drugs (kinda like in america as well if you think about it), a sinful place, could get mugged on any block ect. (i knew you couldnt walk on planets or anything, but just listening to the description, the gallente race just appealed to me) so, how did you first take EVE when you saw the intro, when you picked your character, why? ect. TIA Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.09 02:50:00 - [2] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA It's too bad the Gallente are of French origin.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Faife on 09/10/2008 03:15:15 gee, i just can't figure out who america was in the original eve spec. hm... america...amerrica...amarrica... religious... slaveowners... no i can't place it i picked minmatar cause they looked most mad max-y
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:43:00 - [4] I chose amarr because of LAZERBEAMS!!!!!! --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=858511The Eve professions lis
Furious Hawk Caldari Farlight Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 09/10/2008 03:15:15 gee, i just can't figure out who america was in the original eve spec. hm... america...amerrica...amarrica... religious... slaveowners... no i can't place it Yeah, because America is the only country in history to be religious and have slave owners. Idiot. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Furious Hawk Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 09/10/2008 03:15:15 gee, i just can't figure out who america was in the original eve spec. hm... america...amerrica...amarrica... religious... slaveowners... no i can't place it Yeah, because America is the only country in history to be religious and have slave owners. Idiot. we're drifting into out-of-pod, but c'mon. whites owning blacks in a place called AMARR. it was probably a draft name that was supposed to change later (prolly like the gallente french comment), but they never got around to it, and voila, it's canon.
Epegi Givo Amarr 181st Legion	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:51:00 - [7] The eve universe isn't just what I thought it was, but even better. I chose Amarr because I like lasers, and because I thought they were the drone-centered race at that time. but I was glad when I found out they are still use drones more than Caldari. ------------------------------------- Total tractor beam overhaul/engine strength
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 09/10/2008 03:56:18 Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 09/10/2008 03:15:15 gee, i just can't figure out who america was in the original eve spec. hm... america...amerrica...amarrica... religious... slaveowners... no i can't place it i picked minmatar cause they looked most mad max-y Yeah... And the whole having emperors, "old world" feel and a religion suspiciously like Catholicism just SCREAMS America.... Don't be an idiot. Anyways. I started Eve in Beta 7. I chose Caldari because even though I liked Gallente the best in terms of ships and fighting style, the male gallentes looked like metrosexual fairy boys. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Letifer Deus Don't be an idiot. USians are mighty defensive about that slave thing. i'll drop it, return to your fox news.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:58:00 - [10] Guys guys guys.. can't we all get along? Oh wait you don't say that do you.. Sht. hides* --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.09 03:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Letifer Deus Don't be an idiot. USians are mighty defensive about that slave thing. i'll drop it, return to your fox news. No I'm not, and I hate Fox news. You look foolish, I suggest you stop. Also, where are you from? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:02:00 - [12] On a non-sequitur, while I'm not American, I looked at Caldari and thought "Hmm, they're pretty American" and picked them, since there isn't really an "Australian" race. --- Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:04:00 - [13] Edited by: Highwind Cid on 09/10/2008 04:04:17 I thought it was about ships blowing the $hit up out of each other for territory that raked in cash. I thought it was about dominating as much space as you can. I thought it was going to be fun. And was up to a certain point...
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:07:00 - [14] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 09/10/2008 04:07:47 Originally by: Faife Originally by: Furious Hawk Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 09/10/2008 03:15:15 gee, i just can't figure out who america was in the original eve spec. hm... america...amerrica...amarrica... religious... slaveowners... no i can't place it Yeah, because America is the only country in history to be religious and have slave owners. Idiot. we're drifting into out-of-pod, but c'mon. whites owning blacks in a place called AMARR. it was probably a draft name that was supposed to change later (prolly like the gallente french comment), but they never got around to it, and voila, it's canon. and AMARR is close to America because it shares some letters? Wow, great job there. And CCP just "forgot" to change it? Rofl. Keep it up there, man. I hate to break it to you, but if any of the races is "American" it is the Caldari. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:16:00 - [15] I thought it was a good idea to put points into charisma after selecting a race with high natural charisma. Well, that certainly worked out, didn't it?
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Faife Originally by: Furious Hawk Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 09/10/2008 03:15:15 gee, i just can't figure out who america was in the original eve spec. hm... america...amerrica...amarrica... religious... slaveowners... no i can't place it Yeah, because America is the only country in history to be religious and have slave owners. Idiot. we're drifting into out-of-pod, but c'mon. whites owning blacks in a place called AMARR. it was probably a draft name that was supposed to change later (prolly like the gallente french comment), but they never got around to it, and voila, it's canon. he does prove a point though the way i see the races in-game are like this: Amarr = extremist muslims Caldari = 18th and 19th century british (all about the money and assets) Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) Minmatar = Africans (does that need explaining) and iirc, not all the minmatar are black, plenty of white minmatar to go around Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:35:00 - [17] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 he does prove a point though the way i see the races in-game are like this: Amarr = extremist muslims Caldari = 18th and 19th century british (all about the money and assets) Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) Minmatar = Africans (does that need explaining) and iirc, not all the minmatar are black, plenty of white minmatar to go around Amarr = Religous psychos Caldari = Capitalist psychos Gallente = Freedom/sex psychos Minatar = Revenge psychos --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.09 04:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Verx Interis Amarr = Religous psychos Caldari = Capitalist psychos Gallente = Freedom/sex psychos Minatar = Revenge psychos Good enough for me =) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Is forporn THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:15:00 - [19] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Amarr = extremist muslims Ya'know cos muslims are the only religous extremists Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Caldari = 18th and 19th century british (all about the money and assets) This one is a bit meh Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) itt: americans think they invented democrocy or were the first to practice it Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Minmatar = Africans (does that need explaining) :kfc: Join THE INTERNET. today
captain skinback	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:17:00 - [20] when i saw the trailers for the first time i thought "wow what the hell is that thing that looks like the mothership from homeworld but made of rust? i must have one....." two years after watching that trailer i still dont have one
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:19:00 - [21] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 and iirc, not all the minmatar are black, plenty of white minmatar to go around Brutor are based off of Pacific warrior cultures like the Maori, actually. People figured they were "black" as in sub-Saharan African because, well okay they do kinda look like Morpheus from The Matrix, but also because the Minmatar were the slave race. This topic is addressed briefly in the Art of Eve book.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Is for** Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) itt: americans think they invented democrocy or were the first to practice it I do? I didn't know that. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
MrChook Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Brutor are based off of Pacific warrior cultures like the Maori, actually. So what you are saying is that the Brutor ar Kiwis? That explains a LOT.
Max Leadfoot Murky Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:34:00 - [24] For your information Switzerland is the oldest Democracy, not the USA. 1291 point of fact. But a lot of debates on who the actual oldest Democracy is... 1291>1776 "not logical in maths though, just in case some trolls come about"
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:34:00 - [25] None of the races can possibly come from the american heritage, they are all too skinny.. America ate themself to death before eve gate was found
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.09 05:36:00 - [26] Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 09/10/2008 05:37:14 I did not imagine capitals, I did not imagine POSs, I did not imagine T2, I did not imagine large battleship fleets, I did not imagine the server with more then 10k people, I did not imagine the friends I would meet. . . these days I am more consumed then I was 5 years ago. I picked Amarr because they were the religious zelots and had really pretty ships. Made a Caldari because ECM was fun and really suited my playstyle. Made a Mini character because I like the sound of 1400s. ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
Daram Thakk'ar Minmatar 343rd Mining Division	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:46:00 - [27] Amarrians are a blend of all the religious nutjobs we have on this planet. Throw in some slavetrading and you get mighty interresting people. Gallente is kinda European-like. Have actual freedoms (not just led to believe so while being subject to arrest without charge or trial if deemed a "potential terrorist", subject to surveillance without charge or court orders etc etc), likes their drugs, sex and generally liberal ideas. Minmatar is a blend of Africa/Indians etc etc, basically the tribal cultures Caldari are Japanese. Without the quality TV entertainment.
Daergaar	Posted - 2008.10.09 07:55:00 - [28] I did just start EVE a month ago. I started playing cause my good friends (one of them my best) did. They said it was good and their opinions are rarely wrong. It turns out I'm enjoying the game. I didn't read anything about the races before I started, but I'm glad I picked Caldari because I love shield tanking. I originally picked Caldari because they have the hottest men haha. I never even thought that there was PvP in this game until I saw all the goonswarm videos. I don't personally PvP at all because the one time I did, I lost my ship that I saved up for for 2 weeks and had to go back to level 2 missions because I couldn't afford a ship for level 3's that I was running.
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.09 08:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Savage Creampuff on 09/10/2008 08:26:15 My first char was amarr because I thought laser wielding religious nuts sounded cool. It took 4 years before laser wielding religious nuts were cool again but that's for another thread. Then I wanted an even more evil pirate/griefer char so I went with the fascist caldari Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.09 08:35:00 - [30] Went Amarr because somebody told me they had the strongest firepower and armor. And I mined for my first three months in eve.
Redent SC	Posted - 2008.10.09 08:41:00 - [31] Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:45:37 Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:44:48 Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era ok mate, lets get this straight. Number one, America did not invent democracy. They bearly practice it to this day caugh 2004 elections caugh. The first truly democratic nation were the acient greeks (and possibly arabs before that). The only way you could compare yourselves to the Gallenteans in this respect is the "new era" section. Even this is highly debatable as maybe one hundred years before america was even brought into being, the English civial war ended with the creation of parliment. Now i am English, however i am trying not to be biest in anyway here. I hate the way the country i am so proud to be part of is turning more and more americanised. I don't dislike americans, i dislike the way the american system works. Americans are what the english were like 200 years ago.. "here you go" says the american/englishman to some native from a county that has somthing we want "you have these shiny beads, and we will have from where your standing to the horizon". or in americas case, just bomb them. i realise this has goning slightly off topic and i appologise. I just couldn't pass up an oppotunity to say what i think. But in short, no.. Gallente aint the americans of eve. Gallente state aint anything like modern day america in the slightest. Caldari state is more similar to america than anything else sorry if i rambled, just had to let it shine :) Redent
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:14:00 - [32] I was expecting a dynamic universe, to seek out new life and destroy it, to boldly go - in the times after work - where no nerd has gone before. It was somewhat different. My Ibis flew into 0.0, got insta destroyed and podded, and then had to mine for ISK for a week. Then I saw, that my ship had only a few options, much less then I was expecting. No immersion, almost no visible change of mods I placed on it. Then I started treating it as a "symbol" game. There isn't a random factor which occurs, so the actions became mechanical and repetitious. But as I am an SF fan, a builder-type-gamer, I kept playing. Supporting my favourite genre with hard earned real money, hoping for new things. I hope Ambulation gives me some happyness. I also hope that the space of eve will become more unique in each system, region, sec space. Just like totally different stations, logo's on my ship, more visible effects of mods. A bridge view, with exotic dancers. Ooh how beautifully erotic and dark the void could be. Till then, I just build on. Expanding my empire of Dirt. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 09/10/2008 09:18:00 edit: nvm the longer post that was here before. Short version is that everyone who's tried to compare any Eve faction in an absolute sense to something on Earth is wrong.
Gealbhan Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 09:56:00 - [34] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA Except America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic But anyway when I started Eve-o I had no real pre-conceptions other than it was "some space game" my fellow DJ's raved about when I was a 'net DJ. So I signed up, joined a player corp from day 1 and learned from the guys. That corp is gone now but I'm still playng on.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:04:00 - [35] The start was pretty much what I thought it would be. I picked Gallente because I like Armor and when I saw the Tristan, I was sold! I wanted to become a industrialist and thus made my character that way. Now that I look at it...i might have started with different path, but now that I have more SP it's started to balance itself. No way to become a good industrialist in Eve from the begining and as a noob. You need Eve-experience before going that route. The best thing I did in the beginning was that I made equal attributes for my character (only +2 in INT + MEM) and that has done marvels. Doesn't make any skill to much of a pain to learn, also the learning skill grinding in the beginning did a lot. I got the attributes up and while waiting for them I studied Eve (ingame and on the web). Learned a lot about stuff while waiting. Without that "marathon" I would have definetly made more errors and pops. Joining my corp was the next best thing. I had thought about going solo, but that would have been stupid. I'm still in the same corp and the corp decided to venture into 0.0 and that has been a blast. Eve: Study, learn, get friends, evolve, fail, learn more.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Apoctasy Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA It's too bad the Gallente are of French origin. As is democracy. Sure the greeks some might say but those slavekeeping pedos doesn't really count in my book. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:35:00 - [37] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them haha lawl Sorry, I really wanted to give a serious reply but after readin that I just couldnt ----------------- My EvE Comic
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Apoctasy Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA It's too bad the Gallente are of French origin. So is American Democracy.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.09 10:52:00 - [39] Heh, I gotta laugh all the europeans criticizing Americans for not knowing anything about places overseas then making statements like "Americans ate themselves to death before the EVE gate was created, etc." Maybe you should stop learning about the US from the news and TV? It's kinda biased and inaccurate... -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Ore 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 09/10/2008 11:15:22 Oh guys come on. Gallente = Europe. Democracy on a liberal sense in terms of peoples rights and decedance. Caldari = America. Splintered Democracy based on money, industry, military might and corporations. Minmatar = Africa/Middle East/Ancient America. Trible influences. Heavy industry but bad conditions. Low tech Ammarr = Undefined mix of relgion and salvery. Essential a mix of European and American ideals that no longer really exists. Try like 14th to 18th century. And as someone who has lived in the middle east all my life, certainly not muslim. Its more crusader (christian) than anything else.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Corwain Heh, I gotta laugh all the europeans criticizing Americans for not knowing anything about places overseas then making statements like "Americans ate themselves to death before the EVE gate was created, etc." Maybe you should stop learning about the US from the news and TV? It's kinda biased and inaccurate... First of all a disclaimer: - I'm neither anti- nor pro US - I have friends in the US Back to your post - I immediately felt guilty for us biased Europeans who have completely wrong impressions about the US, so I decided to find an objective source of information - WHO (World Health Organization). I went to their website and searched for statistical data, which is readily available here Result (randomly chosen countries with focus on extremes/Europe/USA): Country Prevalence of adults (>=15 years) who are obese (%) female Prevalence of adults (>=15 years) who are obese (%) male Belgium 13.4 11.9 Czech Republic 16.3 13.7 Denmark 9.1 9.8 Germany 12.3 13.6 Greece 18.2 26.0 Iraq 38.2 26.2 Lithuania 19.2 20.6 Norway 5.9 6.4 Sweden 9.5 10.4 Switzerland 7.5 7.9 Tonga 74.9 56.1 UK 23.0 22.3 USA 33.2 31.1 My home country Austria was not mentioned - probably we are too ashamed
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 11:51:00 - [42] Amarr = Byzantine Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:17:00 - [43] I'm not sure what you're trying to say Mr. Lecter. Is Denmark fine saying everybody in the UK is a fatty and they're gonna eat themselves to death because they have ~10% less obesity than the UK? If not then why is it fine when the UK says the same about the states? Basically I could understand the statements coming from Europeans if the US had over 50% obesity, but we don't, and where I'm from 9/10 Americans are thin as a rod. Of course I work on a college campus and most Americans don't start putting on weight until they're in middle age and only then if they've got a good appetite and a nice job to support that appetite. Another flaw I see is that some of these countries in the study are about the size of a US state. I'd bet that if you measured each US state by itself you'd find quite a fluctuation in obesity, as there is certainly a large fluctuation in typical diets from region to region. The US is a big place. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Fettys Girl	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:23:00 - [44] Main (wich i cant post with before somebody says post with your main ) is amarr amarr because golden ships and pewpew lasers and this character here because of the stats simple as that and i choose amarr because of the things i had heard about eve and the backstorys presented at the character creation screen but as it turned out the events involving players, where i could participate at my own choosing or simply ignore them, stoped existing the "anicent gone races" appears to have been done in a day or two and consists of some weired exploration sites that offer not much lore there is absolutly no point in any celestial objects exept stations and gates the universe has already been explored for me (not just empire) the continuing backstorys of the game that i can read about out of the game have no actual effect on the game the sandbox that is the side of eve with guns is suprisingly limited the sandbox that are my ships are realy suprisingly limited and the sandbox that is the industrial side of eve is sufficiently complex (could be more ) but the supplied tools on how to work with it (UI etc) are half baked but this is the only mmo that caters to my internet spacehip needs so here i am adapting and still playing
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Corwain I'm not sure what you're trying to say Mr. Lecter. Is Denmark fine saying everybody in the UK is a fatty and they're gonna eat themselves to death because they have ~10% less obesity than the UK? If not then why is it fine when the UK says the same about the states? Actually I just tried to be objective about the topic. This is also why I refrained from commenting on it except on my own home country which for unknown reasons is not included in the statistics. If someone is fat - so what? My very personal opinion is that there is no country of good/bad, skinny/fat, greedy/generous, lazy/hardworking people. If someone is an ahole, he is an ahole and not an American/Austrian/etc. a**hole. People are what they are and it has nothing to do with nationality. If we would finally recognize this we might be able to get rid of our stupid nationalism and treat people as individuals. Peace
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:30:00 - [46] Coming from norway i get the right to call you a bunch of fat people
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:31:00 - [47] I thought it was all about building up a character and comparing my progress with other people. I had hopes that I might become moderately famous but didn't think it very likely. Tbh I didn't give a second's thought to the RP aspect. I picked Amarrian because in the last game I played I was always using missiles and wanted a change this time (oh! the irony() of that ). Other than that all that interested me was a good spread of attributes. I'd have played as a cheese sandwich if the attributes made sense. I intended this char to become a wealthy industrialist that was capable of defending his own interests if he had to. I'm proud to say that's exactly what I achieved. I have another account where the primary char is supposed to be an evil little git. He's not quite there yet. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.*
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:33:00 - [48] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them I have never met an American not being proud of being American until I read this post. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:38:00 - [49] Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 09/10/2008 12:38:33 edit Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Kendar None of the races can possibly come from the american heritage, they are all too skinny.. America ate themself to death before eve gate was found haha so true
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Redent SC Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:45:37 Edited by: Redent SC on 09/10/2008 08:44:48 Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era ok mate, lets get this straight. Number one, America did not invent democracy. They bearly practice it to this day caugh 2004 elections caugh. The first truly democratic nation were the acient greeks (and possibly arabs before that). The only way you could compare yourselves to the Gallenteans in this respect is the "new era" section. Even this is highly debatable as maybe one hundred years before america was even brought into being, the English civial war ended with the creation of parliment. Now i am English, however i am trying not to be biest in anyway here. I hate the way the country i am so proud to be part of is turning more and more americanised. I don't dislike americans, i dislike the way the american system works. Americans are what the english were like 200 years ago.. "here you go" says the american/englishman to some native from a county that has somthing we want "you have these shiny beads, and we will have from where your standing to the horizon". or in americas case, just bomb them. i realise this has goning slightly off topic and i appologise. I just couldn't pass up an oppotunity to say what i think. But in short, no.. Gallente aint the americans of eve. Gallente state aint anything like modern day america in the slightest. Caldari state is more similar to america than anything else sorry if i rambled, just had to let it shine :) Redent I live right next to these nutjobs and I approve this message
Mymh Heretache RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:49:00 - [52] I thought EVE was anarchy. Steal and shoot down as much as you can. Turns out it's very structured, hierarchy, politics, economical and industrial balance. I'm not disappointed.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 12:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Is for** Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 Amarr = extremist muslims Ya'know cos muslims are the only religous extremists : just going along w/ the times, they are the most pronouced and public "extremeist" religious groups in the world today, at this time Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Caldari = 18th and 19th century british (all about the money and assets) This one is a bit meh : because in 18th and 19th century, you were rich or poor, with little chance of going up a social "class" in your life, the same is with caldari, you are rich or you are poor, you own a mega corp, or live on the streets Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) itt: americans think they invented democrocy or were the first to practice it: READ, first democratic republic of the NEW ERA, iirc, the greeks and romans were a few thousand years ago, and stop being so stero typical, it makes you look ****ed, every american in 9th grade learns that it was the greeks who had the first "democracy" Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 Minmatar = Africans (does that need explaining) :kfc: Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Gealbhan Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 i picked the gallente race, because first and foremost, when i heard "established the FIRST democratic republic of the new era" i thought AMERICAN (of which i am a proud citizen) and picked them TIA Except America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic But anyway when I started Eve-o I had no real pre-conceptions other than it was "some space game" my fellow DJ's raved about when I was a 'net DJ. So I signed up, joined a player corp from day 1 and learned from the guys. That corp is gone now but I'm still playng on. i konw, republic = representative democracy tell CCP to fix the intro, i saw democratic republic, and it goes along w/ america, all these idiots flaming me and each toehr for saying "but its caldari that are american because they are so capitalistic" need to up their comprehension skills quoted from the intro: at the same time, the gallente race flourished nearby, they created the first democratic REPUBLIC of the new era, and created a regional federation of independent states now that i quoted it from the intro for those who are simply lazy to watch the 5 minute intro again, from THOSE words, which country springs to mind? hint, some attention grabbing words are: first "republic" of the NEW ERA, and "independent states" w/ out canon, or anything you konw about the races most people would probably see america in that view, which is why i picked them now, using your guy's canon about the races, yes, at first glance, caldari do seem more "american" due to capitalism, and massive corporations, but a few flaws in that America is not owned by mega corporations, NOR do those corporations that America has own their own militaries (read some of the chronicles) and this page, Caldari quickly seems to not fit the image of america all that much, (although, they do have similarities) Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.09 13:34:00 - [55] I always thought the Caldari were loosely based off the Japanese. Power lies more with the corporations than with governments, focus on high technology, importance of honour and codes of conduct. The system names and some of the ship descriptions (State Issue Raven) seem to bear this out. Also, when I see Amarr, I think of the Spanish Inquisition. Bet none of you expected that huh?! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Stela'Artois Hatori Mining Services	Posted - 2008.10.09 14:23:00 - [56] To the topic...when I started EvE I picked Caldari basically because I a) didnt want to be a slave owner, b) didnt want to be a slave/exslave/emogeek, c) didnt want to be a french raver whose men looked like sissyboys. I was also told that any character could train any ship and race was not really a limiting factor...so I made the one I thought the "best looking" to me. As far as Americans being fat/lazy/arrogant ect ect...yes, we do have fat, lazy, and arrogant citizens...and on an internetz shootzie game where epeen is worth its weight in bantha podo, you are going to find a number of lazy, arrogant, (possibly) fat Americans willing to spout off about how great their country is when the greatest contribution they have made has been earning a blue ribbon in their kindergarten spelling bee (though I doubt it considering the spelling on these forums). As an American I am proud of the many things my country has accomplished. I also recognize with great humility all of the faults and errors we have made, and will continue to make.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.09 15:46:00 - [57] Edited by: BiggestT on 09/10/2008 15:46:34 When you first started EVE...I mined in a bantam in noob systems of course! Then some guys gave me a whopping 900k isk so i bought a destroyer and never looked back to that whole "pasifist" side of EVE Awesome EVE history Missiles ba-oom!
Atsiz Zhurenh Minmatar Tau Ceti Green Card Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:15:00 - [58] Originally by: Gealbhan Except America isn't a democracy, it's a Republic QFT Originally by: Stela'Artois As an American I am proud of the many things my country has accomplished. I also recognize with great humility all of the faults and errors we have made, and will continue to make. Yeah, just like any other country we have good parts and bad... I for one am not to proud of the imperialist things we have done... On topic, I don't think you can really peg the Eve races to any one country/people from today, or ever really. They have certain aspects of different things, but they are by no means mirrors of history. Amarr: They seem to have the same feudal system of government common in medieval Asia, think the families of Japan or China, combined with the religious zeal of the Spanish Inquisition, the Taleban, or Atheist USSR, and the chattel slavery of Tsarist Russia (serfdom), the American south in the early 1800's, or the Roman emipre. Caldari: They have many things in common with modern day Japan; heavily industrialized, huge focus on productivity and work ethic, and cultural ambivalence towards religion. That being said, they also share some in common with Germany, that they have always been at the forefront of new technology development, and they give little thought to aesthetics. Their form of government has some in common with Imperialist Britain, with the intertwined nature of business and government (think East India Trading Company). Gallente: They have much in common with the liberalized portion of western society. They have an almost extreme pursuit of freedom and liberty, which has been recently thrown into turmoil by attack (9/11 or subway bombings anyone?). However, their government, while being a democratic republic, reminds me more of India, Lebanon, or South Africa, because rather than a mostly homogeneous society of one background and ethnicity, they are a coalition of the (mostly) willing that must deal with fundamental differences in culture when attempting to function in government. Minmatar: They have things in common with many cultures, unfortunately. While the Brutor are based off of tribal warrior cultures, specifically the Maori, they also share the idea of being overrun by imperialist forces that subjugate and destroy the culture and people. Think of the Aztecs: while 'privative' by European standards, they had a large, advanced, warrior based society that functioned well until the Spanish zealots showed up, decimated their culture, and made colonies and virtual slaves of the populace. This was repeated in Africa, Asia, and others. Finally, they have much in common with China, because they for many years were under the heal of foreign powers. Now that they are completely independent and resurgent, they feel they have something to prove to the rest of the world, just as the Minmatar are resurgent, and while still maybe not as powerful as the Amarr, they are definitely a force to be reckoned with that grows stronger by the day, much faster than other nations. /rant I picked Minmatar originally because I thought "Ohhh fast ships I will go so fast and avoid getting killed" Then I wizened up and now I fly Amarr ships (BEFORE they got buffed thank you) because I like the lasers and their sexy ships.
Jamez Graand I.M.M	Posted - 2008.10.09 16:24:00 - [59] I really didn't have many expectations except lots of pew pew (I watched a lot of Goonswarm videos and loved them). I am completely satisfied with how everything is going, and how the whole game actually works. I joined a corp on the first day after reading it was highly recommended, and barraged them with all my questions. I originally wanted to make an Amarr character because I liked the look of their ships but after reading about their heritage and beliefs I decided against that. I then chose Gallente because I thought it represented me the most. I'm Canadian (Democracy) and speak French (one of the official languages of Canada). I'm surprised no one mentioned Canadians being like the Gallente race.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.09 18:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Letifer Deus Yeah... And the whole having emperors, "old world" feel and a religion suspiciously like Catholicism just SCREAMS America.... Caldari are more like Americans, although there's a lot of Russian mixed in as well. American - Everything is utilitarian, large corporations running the show. Russian - Everything is based around military might and control. Gallente - European based. More interested in image than anything else. Minmatar - Third world. Poorer countries making things out whatever can be salvaged and glued together. Amarr - Has to be Japanese The Emporer, religion, everything is for honour and respect has to be earned. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Milaahs Nithori Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.09 18:50:00 - [61] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 quoted from the intro: at the same time, the gallente race flourished nearby, they created the first democratic REPUBLIC of the new era, and created a regional federation of independent states now that i quoted it from the intro for those who are simply lazy to watch the 5 minute intro again, from THOSE words, which country springs to mind? hint, some attention grabbing words are: first "republic" of the NEW ERA, and "independent states" w/ out canon, or anything you konw about the races most people would probably see america in that view, which is why i picked them Well. Herein lies the flaw everyone are trying to point out, allthough with somewhat failed rehtoric. Most people outside of the US would NOT think about USA. Other attention grabbing words are "democratic" and "federation". "Independent states" need to be seen in a different light in this context. Note "federation of independant states". That CCP choose to first name it a Republic is probably just to point out that it is a very representative federation headed by a president, as opposed to more horisontally and directly democratic federalist or confederalist ideals. In the end Gallente is a Federation, and not a Republic. A Federation is an institution that governs the autonomous regions/states/communes/ it is made up of. USA is not the only nation based on regions of somewhat autonomy governed by a broader governing-system, and they certainly did not pioneer it. Based on what I heard in the intro, I though Switzerland at first, and I bet a lot of others did as well. It is later known to us that the Gallente Federation is based on the French, but that is irrelevant to the discussion, as you correctly hinted to. The reason why people react to this, and in my opinion communicates an opposing opinion of orgin with way to agressive rethoric, is because they are used to US citizens not realizing that democracy exists outside og USA, and in arguably better health. The fact is that the US is NOT the brightest beacon of freedom in the world, if we ignore the fact that you force yourself to project this image and therefor sort of make it so. Most of you don't even differantiate between economic and social liberalism, some of you use liberal and communist interchangably and the worst part is that a frightening amount of you believe western Wurope to be made up of more or less totalitarian states. I have debated with US citizens who actually though Norway was a communist nation, and that the state in Norway directly opposed private enterprise and a free market economy. They told me I wasn't turly free in Norway. Others claim scandinavian nations blocks certain parts of the internet for their citizens. By any respect, nations like Norway and Switzerland are at least as democratic than the US, and in my opinion much less failed states. But it all boils down to the US and Europe having different democratic ideals.. the US very admirably preserving individual freedom while European democacies have a more collectivist tradition. Claiming Amarr or Caldari to be USA is in my opinion somewhat the same... As some US citizens percieve Europe as non-democractic and US as the alpha and omega of freedom, others (mostly European) harbour frightingly anti-American views, leading them to the same type of extreme comparisons. Caldari is simply a tolitarian state, and Amarr is a zelous crusader-like Empire... If any of them are based on the US (I would lean towards Caldari in any respect here), I would critizise CCP for that. Claiming Amarr to be based on the US because of slavery is at least as ignorant as ignoring the existance of democracy in Europe... Amarr would rather be a take on the European crusaders or more modern colonist imperialists. "USA = Slavery" is a very daft viewpoint.
Warp Knight The Serenity Society	Posted - 2008.10.09 19:09:00 - [62] Anyone who associates slavery only with the United States clearly doesn't have a firm grasp on history. Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade ============================== Work is for people that don't know how to plunder.
HexPee Thunder Catz	Posted - 2008.10.09 19:42:00 - [63] Originally by: H Lecter Originally by: Corwain I'm not sure what you're trying to say Mr. Lecter. Is Denmark fine saying everybody in the UK is a fatty and they're gonna eat themselves to death because they have ~10% less obesity than the UK? If not then why is it fine when the UK says the same about the states? Actually I just tried to be objective about the topic. This is also why I refrained from commenting on it except on my own home country which for unknown reasons is not included in the statistics. If someone is fat - so what? My very personal opinion is that there is no country of good/bad, skinny/fat, greedy/generous, lazy/hardworking people. If someone is an ahole, he is an ahole and not an American/Austrian/etc. a**hole. People are what they are and it has nothing to do with nationality. If we would finally recognize this we might be able to get rid of our stupid nationalism and treat people as individuals. Peace Thank you! If people would get over their religion and what borders they live behind, there would be a lot less to fight over. I am a skinny, American, Atheist, gun owning a$$h0l3, so what? Does that make me a better person then someone else due to where I was born, my physical build, or my religious beliefs? Anyone who bases their opinion of me on anything aside from the actions that I personally take and the words that I personally say is a bigot. Back to the topic at hand, I picked Caldari because all of the friends I had that talked me into playing were Caldari. Then a month later, they quit. A year and a half later, I am still here and flying every race's ships.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.09 19:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Warp Knight Anyone who associates slavery only with the United States clearly doesn't have a firm grasp on history. Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_trade i konw, funny how (most) europeans flame america for our past, really dont consider their own they do not understand that it was in fact EUROPEANS that started the slave trade to america waaay before the colonists even began thinking of themselves as a seperate nation and if you think about it, slavery in america was extremely short lived compared to slavery in other parts of the world, it went from what, approx 1650-1850, thats 200 years, comapred to the many hundreds of years that slavery existed before then IN EUROPE and on top of that, slavery existed in AMERICA for even shorter than that america declared ourselves an independent nation in 1776, and slavery occured up until 1865, thats 89 years slavery existed in america, and even at that, from like the 1800's on, probably 90% of all slavery was in the SOUTH, so only half of america was really engaging in it for the majority of its existence in our country so slavery existed in AMERICA for less than a CENTURY, but existed in Britain / Europe hundreds of years before, so any europeans that read this and want to flame america for its past, you better do a little research on your own history in regards to slavery they just dont see it because they cant get over their holier than thou attitude, and as we have seen in many threads and posts they obviously have very selective memories Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Kina Putten Amarr Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.10.09 20:32:00 - [65] OP, this has been duscussed before, many times. On topic; I started out with a Intaki char, after one week I started wondering if I made the right choise, my char seemed a bit limited. Then, while undocking from the navy base in Algogille I noticed a huge golden ship right in front of me. I asked around and was told it was an Amarrian battleship, an Apocalypse. And I knew this was what I really wanted. So I ditched my char and started all over again, and this time I made an Amarr char. And just the look of the noobship told me that I was on the right track At that time I really didn't know anything about EVE, the history, the races, the ships...nothing. This was allmost 5 years ago, and I'm still here. As for the linking of EVE races to real life nations/regions. There seem to be something you ppl have missed regarding the Minmatar race. Next time you travel through their space, take a good look at the stations and stargates. Not much Maori or African looking. To find similar building tech you actually have to head north, all the way to Scandinavia, and spesifically Norway. You might even find it in Iceland. But not in Africa, sorry. And last but not least, all you ppl from the US should try to come up with another word for American. There are millions of ppl in Canada and South America, and they are all Americans
Nihma	Posted - 2008.10.09 22:29:00 - [66] Edited by: Nihma on 09/10/2008 22:29:36 .
Milaahs Nithori Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.10.09 22:30:00 - [67] Edited by: Milaahs Nithori on 09/10/2008 22:31:16 Edited by: Milaahs Nithori on 09/10/2008 22:30:57 Minmatar nods Well. I believe there is a point to the fact that they draw experiences from all over. They have done a good job creating 4 interesting and diverce societies. Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 09/10/2008 20:08:12 removed to stop wall of flames from getting bigger Aye. My post was not meant as a flame at least. The thread takes up an interesting and fun topic, so I will contribute a bit more. I viewed it as a somewhat post-apocalyptic space setting when I first saw the trailer, and the minmatar instantly appealed to me. My first character was a typical minmatar freedom fighter. I loved the ships and the lore. I had no idea what else to expect, but EVE actually lived up to most of my hopes of what the game would offer me. A cold and dark space setting, solid lore, mature players, pirates, bounty hunters, sandbox-syle game world, freedom and epic battles. My first week in space I was sniped by an Apocalypse battleship and was left somewhat in awe. I later whent on to roll a new Amarr character when the improved starting template thing was implemented, and enlisted with Amarr loyalists :p I still like the Minmatar ships best, but I was always a sucker for the glorified and over-the-top relegious fundamentalism and racial superiority doctrine of the Amarr.
Ambrus Quinn	Posted - 2008.10.09 22:37:00 - [68] Edited by: Ambrus Quinn on 09/10/2008 22:37:22 To set the record straight because people are constantly misinterpreting the way we elect our President: The democratic part of the U.S. government isn't a true or pure democracy. We don't directly elect the president. We elect electors to represent us, also known as the Electoral College. So it is a semi-republic/semi-democratic way of electing the president. For those of you who don't know, this system was originally implemented so the southern states could have as much of a say as the northern ones in early presidential elections. If you elected the president purely off of citizens voting then the north would win every time seeing as they had a much larger population. So the southerners claimed each slave should count as 3/5 of a person to go towards the total state population, increasing each of the southern state's electoral votes. Only three times in history has a American President been elected not by the majority of the people but rather the majority of the electoral votes. The last time was 2000 when Bush won, and it was over a hundred years since the one before that. It is pretty rare but when a president like Bush comes into office, in his infinite wisdom, and does a ** poor job, it es a few people off. Ok, end of history lesson. I think each of the races reflects an idea not a country but if I had to choose: The Amarr remind me the most of Catholics when they were crazy (the Crusades) The Minmatar remind me off African tribalism The Caldari remind me of the **s because they had many problems with other Europeans after WWI (reminiscent of early Caldari and Gallente relations) but without the whole genocide ideology The Gallente remind me generally of Europe and America
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:18:00 - [69] The mystery and the unknown, much like most games I start playing, is what drew me in and kept me in. There was not much of a tutorial then and so I purposefully decided to figure it all out on my own. The path was rough but worth it in the end, because the unknown is what kept my interest. The one thing that hasn't changed from day one is the uncontrollable urge to make money. It almost seemed then and still seems to be an underlying factor that comes with the game. A lot of times I will make a bunch of money and have no clue what to do with it. Less than a year into the game, after testing the waters of lo-sec unintentionally, I lost a Ferox to a gate camp. It was the first time ever in lo-sec and it was an autopilot drive from Minmatar space to Lower Debyl. I got into mission running pretty quickly and that trip was an attempt to get a little into mining. It forced me to start from scratch again in terms of isk, with barely a thrasher to my name. This was well before capitals, a Raven was a grand achievement for me much later and I still have a screenie of that n00b wagon. Later on I got the balls to play around in lo-sec again. I had gotten good at using a Badger Mk II to anchor GSCs near roid concentrations in belts and then a frigate to create insta bookmarks (when warp to 15 was the closest you could BM) to each in a manner that allowed me to warp to each can, belt to belt, until they were filled. Then I could warp around to them with the Badger and pick it all up. The first time a HAC showed up in the belt while I was in my Badger and launched 10 drones (before the nerf) I almost crapped myself. I still remember the person but I got away by the skin of my teeth.. the urge for pvp had tainted my blood. I joined up with a corp later trying to make its place in 0.0 with a single POS anchored there. Ah the days before outposts and zerg-forces dominated 0.0.. the mystery was so much more curious than it is now in the day and age of drama queens. I had to leave that corp and return to hi-sec missions after realizing my skills and Ferox were no match for even the smallest of 0.0 rat spawns. Even later I got in with someone who was in ISS. I helped them out a little by letting them run my missions with me and before you know it, he was escorting me into 0.0 with my Scorpion. From that day forward I had the time of my life. Despite what anyone says, ISS gave me years of fun and challenge. Now I just log in occasionally and make some isk but it's kind of hard to find anything to restore that element of mystery and challenge. The current state of 0.0 politics only reflects an atmosphere not much different than that you'd find on a grade school play ground, with people more concerned about how cool they think they are than actually accomplishing anything great. I hope one day that original desire returns and I have a reason to start burning off all these assets. But until I find a cause that feels great again, like the original passion and drive that ISS had when I joined several years ago, I'm afraid I'm just going to have to be happy with logging in and reminiscing of the past.. a time when deep-space politics had some integrity and treachery was uncommon enough to be impressive when utilized instead of being just another idiot trying to be the next magazine article. I'm torn between wishing Eve would return to its former glory and wishing a new Eve killer would come along and leave behind the conglomerate masses of idiots trying to act like grown ups while carrying themselves like spoiled children.
Graic	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:28:00 - [70] Originally by: Empyre <snip>Good Post</snip> How CCP could take what should be a compelling universe to explore, trade, and adventure in and turn it into a turgid stalemate that feels like a grind and runs like a dog is mind boggling.
Sophia Truthspeaker	Posted - 2008.10.09 23:29:00 - [71] It is actually way more interesting to see the reasons who people think which eve race is based on what than the actual basing ^^. My very first char was minmatar, not sure why though. Probably the whole rebel and scientists approach of the one bloodline. My main (which I don't post atm ) started as caldari, because i thought missiles were cool. He later switched to lasers and armor tanking, so I basicly turned from salve to slave owner in my heart
General Urlana	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:01:00 - [72] When i started i just knew it was a complex game, player run market and had ships. Dived in head first because i was on a phase where i was trying out lots of different MMOs. LOL i remember seeing my first fight outside a station flying a kestrel or something. I was blown away by how cool the fight looked. I think it was a drake vs hurricane. I had my sound on so it sounded cool for a noob. These days i still love the game but it's come down to making isk for me rather than that wow that's cool factor. Although being a couple months from flying a capital ship i'm sure i'll have some more crazy moments to come.
FOl2TY8 Revolutionary United Front Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:02:00 - [73] I read about the guiding hand heist and was completely entertained by that story. I signed up for a trial, rolled a Gallente Jin-Mei because Asians looking slyly into the camera are tough. This is my first MMO and I am very pleased with the experience so far. I come from twitch style FPS's like CS and COD. I thought the amount of time I would have to spend figuring out item/ship stats would be boring but I find that I enjoy it. I like hanging out with people in Eve and I enjoy roaming around solo getting into trouble. Also I have to say that killing someone's ship after they smack talk is just as fulfilling, if not more so, than knifing someone in CS. ---------- The six paths and the four lives....
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:07:00 - [74] Like Elite, I kid myself into believing you'd be able to Barter, remember that skill? Barter and negotiate with NPC corporations to a much greater extent that is possible still, going heavy on Charisma. Luckily I've played enough RPGs to know that in most cases it all boils down to the Perception attribute with all else being fillers so I got that up high as a 2nd attribute on king gimp. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:39:00 - [75] Originally by: Kina Putten As for the linking of EVE races to real life nations/regions. There seem to be something you ppl have missed regarding the Minmatar race. Next time you travel through their space, take a good look at the stations and stargates. Not much Maori or African looking. To find similar building tech you actually have to head north, all the way to Scandinavia, and spesifically Norway. You might even find it in Iceland. But not in Africa, sorry. Although Caldari space stations look like kiwi birds and Moas are something everyone loves! Obviously, there are many, many Maori in space.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.10.10 00:42:00 - [76] Originally by: Kina Putten As for the linking of EVE races to real life nations/regions. There seem to be something you ppl have missed regarding the Minmatar race. Next time you travel through their space, take a good look at the stations and stargates. Not much Maori or African looking. To find similar building tech you actually have to head north, all the way to Scandinavia, and spesifically Norway. You might even find it in Iceland. But not in Africa, sorry. Rust is a norweigan invention? Makes sense. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.10.10 01:57:00 - [77] Originally by: Milaahs Nithori Edited by: Milaahs Nithori on 09/10/2008 22:31:16 Edited by: Milaahs Nithori on 09/10/2008 22:30:57 Minmatar nods Well. I believe there is a point to the fact that they draw experiences from all over. They have done a good job creating 4 interesting and diverce societies. Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 09/10/2008 20:08:12 removed to stop wall of flames from getting bigger Aye. My post was not meant as a flame at least. The thread takes up an interesting and fun topic, so I will contribute a bit more. I viewed it as a somewhat post-apocalyptic space setting when I first saw the trailer, and the minmatar instantly appealed to me. My first character was a typical minmatar freedom fighter. I loved the ships and the lore. I had no idea what else to expect, but EVE actually lived up to most of my hopes of what the game would offer me. A cold and dark space setting, solid lore, mature players, pirates, bounty hunters, sandbox-syle game world, freedom and epic battles. My first week in space I was sniped by an Apocalypse battleship and was left somewhat in awe. I later whent on to roll a new Amarr character when the improved starting template thing was implemented, and enlisted with Amarr loyalists :p I still like the Minmatar ships best, but I was always a sucker for the glorified and over-the-top relegious fundamentalism and racial superiority doctrine of the Amarr. off topic, but actually, i wasnt referring to your post, lol as a matter of fact, reading YOUR post was what made me delete mine, lol, your post had no flame whatsoever, you just explained your opiniong w/ out saying stupid crap like: "ya, because the extremeist muslims are the only religious fanatics" because of my opinion, your post showed me that SOME people still have high amounts of intelligence (like yourself) and so i decided not to fuel the fire
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.10.10 04:52:00 - [78] Amarr = Roman Empire Caldari = Futuristic USA/Japan Gallente = EU Minmatar = Middle East/Africa My first char was a Caldari, because unbridled capitalism is sexy. I think it's totally pimp for 3-4 people to be sitting in an armored limo smoking $1000 cigars in the middle of winter, while a huge throng of people stand outside in the cold at a bus stop waiting for a ride home. My second char (this one) was made for PvP, and I chose Minmatar because the rookieship is the fastest. This was before warp to zero, when reaching the gate from 15km mattered. My third char was an Amarr, because I wanted to play a posh bastard in a golden spaceship with 5000 slaves in the back. I gave up tho because I just can't get into it. My fourth char was Gallente Intaki because I fell in love with drones. But every time I see the face on the login screen I want to go beat up a hippie. Also democracy is boring. Its what we have in RL so why play it in game? I play games to be someone I normally am not, IE a bad person, a rebel, an uncaring capitalist, etc. If I played a nice guy I would just be playing myself. ---
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.10.10 05:22:00 - [79] Saw the intro and was like, sweet! Figured I'd go Caldari.. but chose Minmatar cause I thought the chick was hawt. Picked up on mining after (un)successfully engaging several yellows in highsec . I was like, wtf.. thought this was a PVP game.. . Picked up a mining laser, kinda liked it, read up on the mining guides, and had dreams of being out in the rocks, mining Bistot / Arkhonor. Time goes on, now I mine hulls for a living
3rdoffive Gallente Meridian Dynamics Violent-Tendencies	Posted - 2008.10.10 06:07:00 - [80] Edited by: 3rdoffive on 10/10/2008 06:08:07 I picked Gallente, because their shit looked the coolest. minmitar just seemed lame and, the whole slavery thing is just getting old (everybody in sci-fi has somehting to do with slavery) so i didnt pick amarr either, and caldari just seemed to metallic. in short Gallente looked the most "futuristic" to me, so was the coolest. now i dont even fly Gallente, and switched to amarr...training all the way to dread/carrier Also i think of the Amarr as what humans were like to a greater extent some generations ago(religious and over-zealous about it and slave owners) Minmitar as what we were before as "amarrian" (tribal, more "nomadic, and generally un-orgainized in the sence that we are today) Caldari as to where we are headed today (extremely capitalist based, driven by profit. because no matter what all countries on this planet are driven by money/capitalism.) Gallente as where we will be one day (a sort of "utopia" type thing) to me the Gallente are more pacifists for some reason. "We" being all humans. (because we are all have the same 46 chromosomes and are the same)
Kina Putten Amarr Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.10.10 06:10:00 - [81] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Kina Putten As for the linking of EVE races to real life nations/regions. There seem to be something you ppl have missed regarding the Minmatar race. Next time you travel through their space, take a good look at the stations and stargates. Not much Maori or African looking. To find similar building tech you actually have to head north, all the way to Scandinavia, and spesifically Norway. You might even find it in Iceland. But not in Africa, sorry. Rust is a norweigan invention? Makes sense. And you sir, do not.
Kate Chopin	Posted - 2008.10.10 07:30:00 - [82] Edited by: Kate Chopin on 10/10/2008 07:30:53 Edited by: Kate Chopin on 10/10/2008 07:30:40 Originally by: Max Leadfoot For your information Switzerland is the oldest Democracy, not the USA. 1291 point of fact. But a lot of debates on who the actual oldest Democracy is... 1291>1776 "not logical in maths though, just in case some trolls come about" Try Athens.
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.10.10 07:37:00 - [83] I'll never look up to Americans before they start teaching religion in schools and actually realize that EVOLUTION happened... no wonder they dies before Eve :)
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.10 07:44:00 - [84] I went Minmatar as i have always favoured the up and coming underdog. Plus i like my char as he looks like someone from the film "Big Trouble in little china"
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:00:00 - [85] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 10/10/2008 09:01:25 I went CONCORD because i bloody well can About the races and all this "this and that" flaming going about, forget the intro, read the manual, it has quite good timelines of all things My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
MMXMMX	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:06:00 - [86] When you first started EVE . . . . . . . The Raven was great and missiles dident suck
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.10.10 09:09:00 - [87] Originally by: MMXMMX When you first started EVE . . . . . . . The Raven was great and missiles dident suck Do you even play EVE?
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.10.10 10:16:00 - [88] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer I'll never look up to Americans before they start teaching religion in schools and actually realize that EVOLUTION happened... no wonder they dies before Eve :) You should try living here. Land of the bigots, home of the naive. Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.
Dracorimus Caldari Edge Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.10 11:00:00 - [89] When I first started Eve, there were no Goons........ It was brilliant
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.10.10 11:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Kina Putten Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Kina Putten As for the linking of EVE races to real life nations/regions. There seem to be something you ppl have missed regarding the Minmatar race. Next time you travel through their space, take a good look at the stations and stargates. Not much Maori or African looking. To find similar building tech you actually have to head north, all the way to Scandinavia, and spesifically Norway. You might even find it in Iceland. But not in Africa, sorry. Rust is a norweigan invention? Makes sense. And you sir, do not. To lay it out to you plain, there is no such things as norweigan or scandinavian architecture nor is this displayed in minmatar space. Sorry to disrupt your need for order but the only thing Norway or scandinavia has in common with the minmatar are some name resemblances of places and ships from the norse mythology and rust. I hope you managed to follow, long sentence and all.
Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2008.10.10 11:42:00 - [91] Edited by: Killer Gandry on 10/10/2008 11:42:51 Edited by: Killer Gandry on 10/10/2008 11:42:05 I rolled Caldari cause I like to missile explosions and hate Gallente in general. Worst Caldari punishment has been stricken from the books, in the old days we would paint a bullseye on someone's butt and send them off to Gallente Space. Now we consider an execution more humane.
Sharvala	Posted - 2008.10.10 15:43:00 - [92] Be prepared for one of the stupidest/lamest reasons for a race pick ever. I wanted to go with a female character and the one i chose with Gallante seemed to be the better looking of the lot. I had no aspirations other than mining and knew that whatever race i chose i could fly other ships, still do mining (my initial goal of starting the game) and if i found that my choice was stupid i could just pick another character later.
Dul Aaklyr Occam's Razor Combine	Posted - 2008.10.10 16:12:00 - [93] I was playing Earth & Beyond when Eve was in beta, kept hearing about the number of systems and the skill mechanism (anyone could train anything and points being clock-based rather than grinding). I checked the website out a few times and intended to go Minmatar (always seemed Maori themed to me). By the time I actually subscribed, though, I was sick of RL goth kids and hippies so I went Caldari to blow up their internet spaceships. WhatÆs kept me here is that I keep finding ways in which I suck at Eve. ItÆs kinda like golf. I canÆt leave Eve until IÆm good at it, and I canÆt seem to stop being terrible.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:00:00 - [94] When i first started EvE, Minmatar was the choice for me. As someone from the middle east/africa who grew up with tales of Post-Colonial struggles, I identified easily with the Minmatar. Recently emerging from slavery/exploitation/occupation, they are trying to find their place in the world and take care of unfinished business, much like the third world in the 1950's. All my characters are Minmatar without exception. I had not heard of EvE before I bought it. I ended up joing 3 days after Tranq went live. It was there on the shelf at Best Buy, I did not have any MMOs on my plate at the time so I gave it a twirl. My first impression was that the world was huge. Those first few weeks were amazing. Has EvE fullfilled its promise for me? I guess so, but I will admit there are a few things that annoy me. I know why lag happens, I know its not CCP's fault, but CCP cannot and must not use large fleet battles to market or publicize the game until they can make the game run smoother in that kind of environment. I guess that is what really annoys me. -------------------
Highwind Cid	Posted - 2008.10.10 18:11:00 - [95] Originally by: Jacque Custeau When i first started EvE, Minmatar was the choice for me. As someone from the middle east/africa who grew up with tales of Post-Colonial struggles, I identified easily with the Minmatar. Recently emerging from slavery/exploitation/occupation, they are trying to find their place in the world and take care of unfinished business, much like the third world in the 1950's. All my characters are Minmatar without exception. I had not heard of EvE before I bought it. I ended up joing 3 days after Tranq went live. It was there on the shelf at Best Buy, I did not have any MMOs on my plate at the time so I gave it a twirl. My first impression was that the world was huge. Those first few weeks were amazing. Has EvE fullfilled its promise for me? I guess so, but I will admit there are a few things that annoy me. I know why lag happens, I know its not CCP's fault, but CCP cannot and must not use large fleet battles to market or publicize the game until they can make the game run smoother in that kind of environment. I guess that is what really annoys me. About the lag part I thought were getting massive upgrades to server hardware and with the whole stacklessIO? Isn't even running way better now? I can't tell since I haven't played in awhile and haven't been in a large fleet in months.
Rahvin Damodred Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:11:00 - [96] Before playing Eve i hoped it would be somewhat like Elite, the first computer game i ever played, i wasn't dissapointed. I didnt choose a race at all, i quickly made 4 different trial accounts and had a toon on each one. 1 Amarr, 1 Caldari, 1 Gallente and 1 Minmatar. Doing some missions, some exploring, some trading and some mining on each of them to learn the game while reading everything on the "new player" forums religiously. I just happend to be on my gallente character at the time i made some friends and was recruited into a corp, so that one stuck with me and decided to pay the subscription for.
Randibuggah	Posted - 2008.10.10 19:49:00 - [97] Amarr are religious Zealots, much like our extremist Muslims. All for God.. etc etc.. Caldari = Capitalists .... nee (Americanesque?) Gallente = French artsy faartsy types... "Can I have a croissant with that order of drones s'il vous plaint?" Minmatar = quintessential underdog.. forced to make do with what they could get from other races to lift themselves from under the Amarr heel.. (can't think of an appropriate modern counterpart) and I spent the first part of Eve mining and trying to figgure out what the heck I was doing.. getting blowed up .. a LOT... oh.. and I still have the ORIGIONAL RETAIL BOX AND CD that Eve first came out on... that's gotta be worth something..
Amarrian Cougar Amarr Spastic Corp	Posted - 2008.10.10 20:49:00 - [98] Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 he does prove a point though the way i see the races in-game are like this: Amarr = extremist muslims Caldari = 18th and 19th century british (all about the money and assets) Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) Minmatar = Africans (does that need explaining) and iirc, not all the minmatar are black, plenty of white minmatar to go around Amarr = Example of Catholicism unchecked and dominate. (Says so on the history that they were descended from Catholics) Caldari = Typical "1984ish" goverment. Gallente = Liberal French, example of what happens when free speech and personal freedom is completely set free. Pleasure hubs, drugs, prostitution, so on and so forth. Minmatar = African bush people in space. Frankly I'm suprised they fly rust buckets as opposed to mud huts with rocket engines attached by way of vines. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Redent SC	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:37:00 - [99] So i think we can safly assume that all non-americans know that there is no similarities between Gallente and America. Regardless how cool they want to portray the US. Lets face it, they aint made many friends
Sarciss Black Legion Command	Posted - 2008.10.12 13:44:00 - [100] Minmatar had sunglasses.. nuff said. When i first started playing i imagined it being something very gang/turf based, where people defend their areas, and if you cross into unfreindly territory your hunted down. Almost agressive gameplay is what i expected each Alliance constantly pushing for more land.. but as it is, they just seem happy to sit where they and destroy the odd random POS every now and again.
Sirus Ade	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:35:00 - [101] I started playing because I went to University and one of my friends from back home was playing, so I joined up to keep in contact while I was away. I've finished Uni now and moved back home, but EVE has stayed. Love it or hate it, it's gonna be here for a long time and I think I'll be playing it for years to come. Even if I'm not always in game due to real life, I keep my chars training and I check EVEmon every day. If it wasn't for the constant skill training I think I would've quit a long time ago... and regretted it!
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.10.12 14:56:00 - [102] Originally by: Is for** Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 Gallente = America (first democratic republic of the new era) itt: americans think they invented democrocy or were the first to practice it The English were!! ----------------------------
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:22:00 - [103] I thought the caldari were more the americans/british. So i picked them. That and they had all the technology when i read the backstory. Always wanted to fly the Apoc though when i first started, the description for it in game just made it sound so cool. Caldari or Amarr were the only two i wanted to play as, though caldari avatars are better looking so it was the decider.
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:27:00 - [104] Edited by: kessah on 12/10/2008 15:33:01 .
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:34:00 - [105] Originally by: Amarrian Cougar Gallente = Liberal French, example of what happens when free speech and personal freedom is completely set free. Pleasure hubs, drugs, prostitution, so on and so forth. Thats why I picked the Gallente >_>
The Herrick Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.10.12 15:44:00 - [106] I expected a cold, harsh place where even ammo is scarce and encounters with others uncommon (and 90% of encounters ending in a fight). I chose Gallente after seeing my friend play eve in his mega and though "I want that ship". In retrospect I'd have probably gone minnie for the "skip with thrusters" look of their ships. Originally by: Blane Xero Screw your stuff, can I have your wife?
ramification	Posted - 2008.10.14 01:01:00 - [107] Edited by: ramification on 14/10/2008 01:06:08 Edited by: ramification on 14/10/2008 01:05:42 Originally by: Graic How CCP could take what should be a compelling universe to explore, trade, and adventure in and turn it into a turgid stalemate that feels like a grind and runs like a dog is mind boggling. Sorry to thread jerk, but the answer to this ought to be obvious. It's because the whole game is so complicated. It was never going to be possible to balance anything perfectly out of the box - let alone predict the combination of factors that have decided the current "end" political situation in the game (I hope the lame two-sided stalemate changes eventually). Most of all, we know for certain that CCP simply weren't prepared for the growth in the player population. People only ask questions like this because they're so completely submerged in the game, so much that their involvement in the unintended consequences of imperfect game mechanics stops them from seeing it this way. So I guess in that sense it's a good thing.

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