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Xhanti
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:04:00 -
[3331]
 Originally by: Marus Safeld
Originally by: Counter Spy
Oh you are wrong, the CCP money in offshore account, and not in Island, they say it.
And we shall believe!
I do hope any company with that income would not invest in a islandic bank with failing currency and low interest banks.
If so fire all of CCP ffs |
Simon LBowerbank
Amarr
Universal Assembler
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:04:00 -
[3332]
I WANT TO GO TO THE ISLAND!!!! |
Clansworth
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:05:00 -
[3333]
Originally by: Jacevetter
Warning, I'm already on another role game that is cheaper and easier for skills, YOU at CCP are pushing us OUT. Be careful or you'll loose all of us !
Even after the change, I still feel that EVE has the best skill system of any MMO out there, simply because you don't have to Grind for XP. You can spend your playing time actually PLAYING the game, and not worry about focusing on bettering your character. This change is not affecting that at all. |
Xhanti
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:07:00 -
[3334]
Originally by: Clansworth
Originally by: Jacevetter
Warning, I'm already on another role game that is cheaper and easier for skills, YOU at CCP are pushing us OUT. Be careful or you'll loose all of us !
Even after the change, I still feel that EVE has the best skill system of any MMO out there, simply because you don't have to Grind for XP. You can spend your playing time actually PLAYING the game, and not worry about focusing on bettering your character. This change is not affecting that at all.
"bettering" your character IS the game, else go to a chat room and play D&D. |
Cazzah
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:07:00 -
[3335]
Well its downtime folks, and they havent shifted on the issue. Its time to say goodbye to a lot of veterans. Good luck and fly safe vets o7
Lets maintain the anger vigil though. They might change their minds. Who knows? |
Bukkaboo
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:08:00 -
[3336]
Dunno if this has been said yet.. but can't imagine the look on face of those who are currenly on a break from eve and planning to return later. In case they have not visited the eve website..just sad, ccp could've atleast informed via mail, like they advertised the power of 2... |
Gabriel Virtus
Cassandra's Light
Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:09:00 -
[3337]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
It is more like a feature that became a bug. It seems to be a little much to claim that a bug, which is used as a selling point in various places across the player guide and communicated to players for POWER OF TWO promotions. "Insufficient Communication" is the biggest crock of bullshit excuse that anyone comes up with. When the Main DEV on the information portal is actively communicating this to players, there is no problem with communication, there is a major policy change that you notify your customers about 2 days before implementing. You are trying to mask the real reasons and trying to sweep this all under a rug.
I understand that corporations need to make a profit to keep running, but this will not increase revenue. This will hurt revenue. Corporations that continue to treat their customer base like utter trash and then try to bullshit them as if they were a bunch of 5 year olds ends up bankrupt.
There was no insufficient communication. There was false advertising, lying, and utter mistreatment of your customers... period.
-GV |
Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:10:00 -
[3338]
I am hating ccp right now, just as im about to train lv 5 BS they do a big dump on me. |
Marus Safeld
Caldari
Trojans
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:10:00 -
[3339]
Originally by: Cazzah
Lets maintain the anger vigil though. They might change their minds. Who knows?
Won't matter a bit to me. In my eyes they have lost every bit of credibility they had left.
I fail to understand how a company this big can have such an incompentent CR management. |
Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:11:00 -
[3340]
PS: look at all the posts you idiots. |
ignobil
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:12:00 -
[3341]
Originally by: Johncrab
- Announcing the end of ghost traning 2/3 days before implementing it. It's just insane to drop a bomb like that on such short notice. And one can't help but feel that it was done with a obscure objective. Give people little time to react and complain?... Other ideas come to mind but only CCP can answer this in the end.
People are in rage and they should be. I never ghost trained in close to 4 years and I'm in rage. 90% of my rage comes from the way CCP behaved and 10% comes from the fact that, something I'm sure I'll miss sooner or later, as been taken away from me.
/signed (with the modification that i¦ve always used ghost training, it was the best thing of the game) |
Leica Stroganow
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:12:00 -
[3342]
Originally by: Azuraito
Originally by: Leica Stroganow
http://lagorama.com/eve-online-ghost-training-whisperer-getting-hoarse
GOTCHA 
(Go to the middle of this site)Thy Azuraito 
And? 
Look at the original page in eve  |
Verkaeufer
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:13:00 -
[3343]
I think that's outrageous now where I will soon be moved and can not be online, and I thought yes does not always yes's learn more, it creates from the CCP?
Can the coming months from private founded no longer active and inactive should now pay more? Without that I am here ... so dear CCP but thus loses her another loyal customer since I moved now and not online longer can, I will probably not equal more.
mfg
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Transladet from german to english
Ich finde das emp÷rend jetzt wo ich demnSchst nbersiedle und nicht online sein kann, und ich mir dachte macht ja nichtÆs lerne ja eh weiter, schafft ihr ccp das ab?
Kann die kommenden Monate aus privaten grnnden nicht mehr aktive sein und soll nun inaktive weiter zahlen? Ohne das ich da binà so liebe ccp aber somit verliert ihr einen weitern treuen Kunden, da ich nun nbersiedle und lSnger nicht online kommen kann, werde ich wohl gleich gar nicht mehr kommen.
mfg
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WaiKin Beldar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:15:00 -
[3344]
Edited by: WaiKin Beldar on 15/10/2008 11:16:18
If I were CCP, how could I clean all this bullshit after reading the whole thread:
1) Immediate firing of the marketing division head.
2) Immediate public answer to the users community about all the inconsistencies found on the publication of the original thread, its disappearing and subsequent inclusion in an already locked thread.
3) Honest and immediate explanation for making disappear an original game feature like this.
4) Do not allow your financial division,in the future, just in the middle of a world economical crisis, to rule entirely your ship.
5) Keep a close listening, not merely hearing, to the user community and use proactively their feedback to improve constantly this game.This means DIALOG, not unilateral decisions.
6) Don't forget, never, that my company incomes and survival depend in a direct way of customer satisfaction.
THEN, you will keep your baby for a long time as the crown's jewel among the rest of MMOPRGs you can find out there and your subscribers won't mind to pay an additional fee when the time forces you to do it.
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Neliel Oderschvank
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:17:00 -
[3345]
Best thing about all of these is that a CCP Official dont even dare to post on this thread... theyre afraid they might say the wrong words |
NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:20:00 -
[3346]
Originally by: WaiKin Beldar
5) Keep a close listening, not merely hearing, to the user community and use proactively their feedback to improve constantly this game.This means DIALOG, not unilateral decisions.
6) Don't forget, never, that my company incomes and survival depend in a direct way of customer satisfaction.
Indeed, since CCP is an up and growing company, they should listen to the players since its the players that dictate the success. You just FUBAR'd that up.
And the best business plan is to keep the customers happy, and you failed at that CCP, in a horrendous way.
I will not be re-subbing this December, and I have already pledged my ships/items to the Minmatar United Way. |
WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:20:00 -
[3347]
Originally by: WaiKin Beldar
4) Do not allow your financial division,in the future, just in the middle of a world economical crisis, to rule entirely your ship.
That is exactly why there is a crisis in the first place, large banks not listening to their financial divisions and thinking only on how to please their customers most. |
WaiKin Beldar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:25:00 -
[3348]
Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube
Originally by: WaiKin Beldar
4) Do not allow your financial division,in the future, just in the middle of a world economical crisis, to rule entirely your ship.
That is exactly why there is a crisis in the first place, large banks not listening to their financial divisions and thinking only on how to please their customers most.
I think THAT is not exactly the situation here. |
Azuraito
Caldari
Capital Produce
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:25:00 -
[3349]
Originally by: Leica Stroganow
Originally by: Azuraito
Originally by: Leica Stroganow
http://lagorama.com/eve-online-ghost-training-whisperer-getting-hoarse
GOTCHA
(Go to the middle of this site)Thy Azuraito
And?
Look at the original page in eve
Sry didnt get my weed'a'bix this morning! I still dont get it? 
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Gara Al'Malik
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:26:00 -
[3350]
Originally by: NupetietVer
Indeed, since CCP is an up and growing company, they should listen to the players since its the players that dictate the success. You just FUBAR'd that up.
And the best business plan is to keep the customers happy, and you failed at that CCP, in a horrendous way.
To be honest, some of us are happy to see the broken ghost training disabled. It was a loophole and EVE is better without it. The only mistake CCP did was wording the announcement. |
TwoShoes
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:26:00 -
[3351]
The real reason ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7667920.stm
;-) |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:26:00 -
[3352]
Edited by: Skogen Gump on 15/10/2008 11:27:14
Originally by: Clansworth
"bettering" your character IS the game, else go to a chat room and play D&D.
I'm not sure what game you're playing, but it doesn't sound like fun to me.
Flying around in a space ship and interacting with other players *IS* this game, sitting around expecting your character to get skills, without the small inconvenience of paying for it is most assuredly not!
Now, I'm as dismayed at the lack of Community relationship shown by this change as everyone else, but I have to say, I support the change.
That said, considering the outcry, I really believe CCP should reach a compromise.
My suggestion is that they consider allowing ghost training for accounts that are linked to at least one active subscription.
Edit: Fixed quote. |
Loi Shania
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:27:00 -
[3353]
Oh no - I can't train whilst I'm not a paying customer!!!
Suck it up folks - it's a good decision that should of been made ages ago. 
To those in a fit of emorage, have fun in World of ****ers |
Pastor Blew
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:28:00 -
[3354]
Edited by: Pastor Blew on 15/10/2008 11:28:16
Originally by: Loi Shania
Oh no - I can't train whilst I'm not a paying customer!!!
Suck it up folks - it's a good decision that should of been made ages ago.
To those in a fit of emorage, have fun in World of ****ers
Re-tard. |
Sonam Gyatso
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:28:00 -
[3355]
If half the people that are raging against this quit, or even better just cancel their capital/bear/industry/whatever alt, eve will be a better place already.
You want to run a one man show, pretending to be the big bad guy on your main while you re the worse empire carebear on your alt(s)? Go ahead, but pay for it.
It sucks for the summer break cost-free training but what matters is what they do with the money we pay. Cause if that's the way they 're trying to fix lag then they ll really see the power of 0 soon. |
Anidis
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:30:00 -
[3356]
Edited by: Anidis on 15/10/2008 11:33:07
hey ccp,
i do not use ghosttraining but i now some people using it because they need a few weeks to have the money for reactivating this accounts. and i do nit think it is fair what you are doing, it was ok for a few years and now you want to change it. money owns the world i know.
but if got a question.
an example: a player activate a skill, which needs to train 3 weeks. his account is activated for the next 2 weeks. he plan to extend his account while the next week.
but now and work he is getting injured and sent to hospital for the next month. he planed everything but with this action you punish him too.
so why don't you make a compromise and say. okay skills stop training after 4 weeks when the account is inactive?
the long skills need more time than 4 weeks and the player have the time to earn enough money in this time (rl or ingame doesn't matter).
i think that would be fair otherwise i think you'll lose a few players and have a greater financial damage then you now have.
written with HK 47, don't know how to change it |
Mr Manjuice
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:30:00 -
[3357]
I wonder if in a few months time that CCP's gamble of doing this, is not the $$$ maker they hope for, will the feature that is now a bug become a feature again. |
Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:32:00 -
[3358]
Originally by: Mr Manjuice
I wonder if in a few months time that CCP's gamble of doing this, is not the $$$ maker they hope for, will the feature that is now a bug become a feature again.
And then tout it and advertise it... |
Azuraito
Caldari
Capital Produce
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:32:00 -
[3359]
Originally by: Sonam Gyatso
If half the people that are raging against this quit, or even better just cancel their capital/bear/industry/whatever alt, eve will be a better place already.
You want to run a one man show, pretending to be the big bad guy on your main while you re the worse empire carebear on your alt(s)? Go ahead, but pay for it.
It sucks for the summer break cost-free training but what matters is what they do with the money we pay. Cause if that's the way they 're trying to fix lag then they ll really see the power of 0 soon.
They are the same peeps that threatened to quit many times before,e.g. dev-misconduct, etc.. etc..
I hope this is the final, final, final straw and they actually quit, be less module lag for us to contend with!
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Q429
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Posted - 2008.10.15 11:35:00 -
[3360]
while We're on subject -
Add a training Que
Allow the training of multiple characters in one account
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