Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert

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Paying for the game? Preposterous.

Grow up people. It's not that expensive to play this game (less than most MMOs). It was good while it lasted, but there is no crime in finally closing a GIANT sinkhole of income for CCP.

And just for the record any of you who are "quitting" or "deleting an alt" aren't really costing CCP any money. For every one of you unreasonable whiners, there is a reasonable person who will just make their account active. So instead of two mostly non-paying accounts, they have one full paying account. Hell, even if they only get 2 or 3 full time subscriptions for every ten previously ghost trained accounts, they're still probably at least breaking even, maybe even making a profit. And they get a more active user base....so they really win both ways.

Therefor, your rage and attempts are "making them pay for it" are not only childish, but ineffective.

Also, can I have your stuffs?

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Originally by: Chomin H'ak

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damn, thought I had a legitimate gripe... well, I guess not! Game on!....(right)

Doesn't matter, only reason for me to stay would be RL friends that play. Thing is, I can see them face2face and have MOAR FUN!

I'm gone, and if you're smart, you'll look for something else before you click the connect button with a sense of dread.

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Originally by: Tanya Stritner

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Numbers are not Growing!

People are leaving every day.
There were 45.000 players online in May, now only 38.000 max.

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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You don't care if a company shits all over you?

Some of us have higher standards.

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Originally by: Hammeroffire

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Originally by: Deathcore

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Originally by: Rramar Claime

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Originally by: Levenson

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Please. CCp Developers used this "feature" to show the world on how "flexible" EVE is for an average person. That it is not necessary to worry about lapsed accounts, and one can always come back to something special.

Jut do a little research and look at interviews by Oveur, and, forget his name, the CEO of CCP, and many, many other developers, have al;ways insisted this was a feature and sign of flexibility of EVE Online.

What is happening now is a called a MONEY GRAB. Which makes me nervous, since in many respects a MONEY GRAB in corporations usually comes ahead of some severe financial trouble, and usually, the MONEY GRABs do not work for the corporations because their customers will only make their financial situation worse by leaving.

This is usually what happens:

1) Money GRAB
2) Short-Term Liquidity Achieved
3) Customer base starts to leave
4) Problems they thought will be alleviated by the "money grab" get worse.

I will watch with some fascination as to what is going to happen next.

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^^^^ CCP! Read this attentively!

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113 pages, way to go ccp hope you see now how good a decision this was

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Have you not heard how Icelands economy is F***** at best ? The Country almost went bankrupt FFS, Chill the hell out, i used ghost training and found it awesome, would you rather not have an EVE to come back to after the nerd rage?

Aslong as CCP don't contine "MONEY GRABBING" for ages to come, i don't see a problem.

Stop *****in', In the end EVE = Better then No EVE

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You don't see a problem *****h?
I'm sorry, But the fact is they're removing a feature of their game for money.
Basically this means, Next up will be to remove the "bug" of things like "offline training" because people were having an "unfair disadvantage" from it.

Or maybe it'll end up like other people were saying, Like any general Asian MMO where you pay for items with money to get an advantage over other players...
oh wait, they do that here too? and this is the fourth money grab in a line of money grabs?
if we don't take a stand, or at least complain, this will end up being a game where everything is sold in USD or Euro's. So yeah motherfck'r, there's a problem.

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Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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You don't care if a company shits all over you?

Some of us have higher standards.

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You see, you call them morales, I call it common sense. So when your local transit authority tells you that fees are going up in 2 weeks by 10%, you going to walk instead of catching the bus because the company shat all over you?

What is wrong with you and your emo antics? You going to stop buying Nike shoes because they had slave farms overseas? You going to stop putting gas in your car due to big oil companies funding legislation? Or do you have those kind of 'morale' standards that you conveniently pick and choose when it suits your emo rage?

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Originally by: Charoline De'Lanari

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According to the Revelations Patch notes way back in history CCP applied a fix to the china server (Serenity) for this "bug", if this was a "bug", then why wasn't this done on Tranq at the same time?

I find this lag of time disturbing, especially conssdiering the rationale behind this fix now...

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Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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You don't care if a company shits all over you?

Some of us have higher standards.

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You see, you call them morales, I call it common sense. So when your local transit authority tells you that fees are going up in 2 weeks by 10%, you going to walk instead of catching the bus because the company shat all over you?

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Originally by: Erimisha

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Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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You don't care if a company shits all over you?

Some of us have higher standards.

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You see, you call them morales, I call it common sense. So when your local transit authority tells you that fees are going up in 2 weeks by 10%, you going to walk instead of catching the bus because the company shat all over you?

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Depends.. Did they justify their fee hike with honesty or did they try to make up reasons that didn't make sense and keep changing their reasoning as they were questioned by their customers?

Did they claim that gas costs them more and then change their story after people prove that gas actually went down? Did this imaginary transit authority stifle and gag anyone who was upset at their fee hike? Did this imaginary transit authority have a history of corruption and outlandish expenditures (like, say a nice new huge exotic fish aquarium in their main office and extraneous personel) before their proposed fee hike?

You keep trying to make this some sort of black and white issue about ghost training while most of us are looking beyong ghost training and looking at how it was handled and their reasons given.

For that matter, is it me or do most of the supporters of this change appear to be ! marks?

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Originally by: Erimisha

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For that matter, is it me or do most of the supporters of this change appear to be ! marks?

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Originally by: Erimisha

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Depends.. Did they justify their fee hike with honesty or did they try to make up reasons that didn't make sense and keep changing their reasoning as they were questioned by their customers?

Did they claim that gas costs them more and then change their story after people prove that gas actually went down? Did this imaginary transit authority stifle and gag anyone who was upset at their fee hike? Did this imaginary transit authority have a history of corruption and outlandish expenditures (like, say a nice new huge exotic fish aquarium in their main office and extraneous personel) before their proposed fee hike?

You keep trying to make this some sort of black and white issue about ghost training while most of us are looking beyong ghost training and looking at how it was handled and their reasons given.

For that matter, is it me or do most of the supporters of this change appear to be ! marks?

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Originally by: Zamolxiss

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Goddamnit CCP

Now why the **** would you **** us like this !?

You need money !? ok, there are alot of other ways to get more money besides this one, diversify your account types, make it posible for us to train more characters on a single account and ask more money for it, could be one.. i DO NOT WANT to have 6 accounts, but i DO WANT to play this game the best i can and that leaves me/us no choice..

So given the nature of EVE i as many others that play the game to it's limits until we crash your servers... and even tho they allways crash, and even tho yuo're GM's are clueless and ridiculous to such extent that i don't even bother with petitions anymore ("our logs show nothing" anyone !?)... we're still logging in the next day... those of us that do that, need more that one character.. it's the way you wanted it to be, the way you built it.. it's what you wanted us to do... and we did it... a shitload of us have a shitload of accounts each.. we did that because the cost/opportunity equation was acceptable, now after many of us own more eve accounts than bank accounts, you change the cost/opportunity equation.. so tell me, will you be able ask for any trust and respect from any of us from now on ?

I truly belive that most of you people lack any basic understanding of the game and more important, you are clueless regarding your player base..

What type of players do you think this change will affect !? the most important one, those that are here every ****ing day, and have been for years.. the hardcore players.. witch given the nature of this game ARE NOT KIDS, people that have rl commitments people that can be rather bussy and unavailable from time to time but also people that tend to come back because they HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.. now they won't because a sain individual will not pay rl money just to train skills.. those that will pay are the farmers that have allways payed with isk, the game and theyr rl expenses

More so i don't think we as players have the same perspective or understanding of the game as you do... because you seem to be thinking that you have a perfect product, and no compromise what so ever needs to be made to sell it.. well i don't think so... i never did, and most of the people i know in game see things somewhat the same way i do..
This thing you call ghost training was here to compensate to some extent for the absolutely ridiculous and absurd character progressin process..

Tbh CCP, looking back i can honestly say that the costs in both money and far more important TIME, far exceed the enjoyment and the satisfaction i've got from EVE

I won't threaten with accounts cancelation and this sort of shit.. that's for kids, the decision regarding that was made long before, this is just an excuse, as good as any other, and it came now..

I wish you all the best, EVE has the potential to be an extraordinary game but for some reason you never seem to make the right steps ahead..

Zam

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Originally by: Random5154

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Originally by: Kheldon Fel

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You don't care if a company shits all over you?

Some of us have higher standards.

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You see, you call them morales, I call it common sense. So when your local transit authority tells you that fees are going up in 2 weeks by 10%, you going to walk instead of catching the bus because the company shat all over you?

What is wrong with you and your emo antics? You going to stop buying Nike shoes because they had slave farms overseas? You going to stop putting gas in your car due to big oil companies funding legislation? Or do you have those kind of 'morale' standards that you conveniently pick and choose when it suits your emo rage?

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