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Huberek Morchu
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:30:00 -
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Im confused about this argument that people were attracted to Eve because they could train their characters without having to play the game. Basically they have no problem that it takes 12 months to be able to fly some capital ship as long as they dont actually have to pay for the game or play while they wait. Does that make any sense?
"Im going to try this cool game eve because I dont plan on playing for a year, and its nice that I can just switch a skill every couple months till my clone is ready for me to use".
Why not just buy a character with the skillset you want? |

Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Velda Chulai I willfully invite any CCP employee to confirm the cancellation status of my accounts publicly on this forum; the moment I find another game which offers the features of Eve Online, I'll probably play that game but I cannot play Eve, especially given CCP's failures with regards to business ethics.
Business ethics? Do you have a home, a mortgage, maybe insurance? Care to maybe take a peek at the various business ethics that have been followed that have resulted in a rather global meltdown over the past few months? Care to explain how you are going to avoid the business ethics of every large 'for profit' company in the world? Should we even start discussing drug companies where it's slightly more important than "internet space ships".
Seriously, is the year of 2008 to go back to the '60s where we can all be hippies with flowers in our hair? What is this emo crap? I think it'll be refreshing to wave all the emo rage quiters good bye. Maybe the forums will no longer be filled with quite so many whine threads. |

Inthemix
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:31:00 -
[3753]
stop crying you ***gots.
k.
now, LET ME TRAIN BS CALDA 5 IN GHOOOST MOOAADE     |

NupetietVer
Neuro Cartographic Services
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:33:00 -
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Qty Description Comment Price Amount 1 EVE Online 90 day Game Time card $38.99 $38.99
Qty Description Comment Price Amount 1 EVE Online ETC 60 Day Game Time Card Code $34.99 $34.99
Thank you CCP for making sure that we get the quality gaming that we pay for. Your 60 day ETCs make sure I can train longer now at a reduced price. Viva la CCP!
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Serthin Isiorri
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:44:00 -
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Currently running 3 active accounts, 2 of which I had ghost training some rank 5 skill.. That ment I had to re-activate my accounts after one month of ghost-training which I had no problem with doing. And I paid real cash for the used GTC's..
Not anymore, -2 for you guys, at least.. |

akirahayase
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:44:00 -
[3756]
Edited by: akirahayase on 15/10/2008 19:49:25
Originally by: DiMTRX Edited by: DiMTRX on 15/10/2008 19:19:36
Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended10/29/2008
Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 10/29/2008 8:34:52 AM Remaining Playtime: 13d:13h:18m
Can i have your stuff ?
Hmm i see some good things about the whole of this ,lot's of ppl are claiming quitting eve .
So perhaps we can have 'less lag pvp then' or ... are only the empire ppl whining and the 0.0 are silent  
Originally by: Echthalian People, CCP used to call this a feature...now its a bug!?!?
Talk about ****ing up 2+ years of planning...On to another game people.
128+++pages....
You plan on not playing a game thats intresting for sure ,i bet eve was/is the only game you could still ''play''' and not had to pay .
Well that time is over so stop whining and go play or quit and go play WOW or some other game ,ow hint i bet you can't play or train there whiteout paying ,dunno coz i never played it lol  |

Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Kheldon Fel You don't care if a company shits all over you?
Some of us have higher standards.
You see, you call them morales, I call it common sense. So when your local transit authority tells you that fees are going up in 2 weeks by 10%, you going to walk instead of catching the bus because the company shat all over you?
What is wrong with you and your emo antics? You going to stop buying Nike shoes because they had slave farms overseas? You going to stop putting gas in your car due to big oil companies funding legislation? Or do you have those kind of 'morale' standards that you conveniently pick and choose when it suits your emo rage?
What? Make sense, man. Incidentally, my transit fare is going up 7% this coming January. However, the reasons were explained logically and well ahead of time in a manner that makes sense. If they'd approached the hike in such a way that CCP has handled this fiasco, I'd be much more upset.
As for your other nonsensical ramblings, I don't actually own a pair of nikes. Oh, and I walk to the train station and don't actually own a car. I'm not sure what that has to do with the conversation at hand, however. Please don't bother to explain because I don't think I want to understand that level of stupidity. |

10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:48:00 -
[3758]
Originally by: akirahayase
Originally by: DiMTRX Edited by: DiMTRX on 15/10/2008 19:19:36
Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended10/29/2008
Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 10/29/2008 8:34:52 AM Remaining Playtime: 13d:13h:18m
Can i have your stuff ?
Hmm i see some good things about the whole of this ,lot's of ppl are claiming quitting eve .
So perhaps we can have 'less lag pvp then' or ... are only the empire ppl whining and the 0.0 are silent  
Of course your a 12 year old.....Right |

padraig animal
Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:51:00 -
[3759]
Originally by: 10of10
Originally by: akirahayase
Originally by: DiMTRX Edited by: DiMTRX on 15/10/2008 19:19:36
Subscription Status: Cancelled Will be suspended10/29/2008
Cancel Subscription Cancellation Expires: 10/29/2008 8:34:52 AM Remaining Playtime: 13d:13h:18m
Can i have your stuff ?
Hmm i see some good things about the whole of this ,lot's of ppl are claiming quitting eve .
So perhaps we can have 'less lag pvp then' or ... are only the empire ppl whining and the 0.0 are silent  
Of course your a 12 year old.....Right
Talking about alt posting  |

Nedward Flanders
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:52:00 -
[3760]
CCP has no flair at all. We had the 30 and 90 days removed not a long time ago (which i suppose was aiming at the same problem -> forcing people to play at least 2 months). And now this with only 2 days before the action is a rude way as well.
@ CCP
If you need smart people that tell you how to make such approaches without ****ing everybody off, and actually get a benefit that works, just send me an email. I'll help for a small tip.
To give you a foretaste:
- Announce this change for the start of 2009. Give people time to accept such hard changes. - Don't **** around with your customers by telling them total ****shit about your motives or technical issues. The moment you start selling a feature (which has been a feature for 5 years!) as a bug, you could as well stand up and say to all your customers that they are total dump ***es in the face.
If you want more money and have a problem with ghost training nowadays, i would try another approach. Ask yourself why people ghosttrain. My conclusion is, cause you have those exorbitant long skills. What would happen if you set the longest skill one can train to like 14 days? Divide the current long skills in 2, and people would only ghost train for 14 days. Well, i guess it's to late for smart solutions, the roof is already on fire 
btw ... - 1 account  |
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EvEhate2
Minmatar PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:54:00 -
[3761]
Originally by: Lungorthin Who you gonna call?
GHOST Busters!

 
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how can i ever read this Wall of Text in this Thread Keep posting guys \o/
@ccp Stop ghost training but dont Nerv NANO!!Deal? |

Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Random5154 on 15/10/2008 19:57:40 I find it amazing that everyone with these amazing standards happen to not have a car, or own a pair of Nikes, and happen to walk just about everywhere barefoot (insert some witty comment about another brand of shoe that follows the same practices). No wonder about the *****ing over a couple of $'s a month. I suppose you also have no other forms of entertainment, like movies, or DVDs and probably eat macaroni every night too.
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Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lorgoth on 15/10/2008 19:59:24
Originally by: Random5154 I find it amazing that everyone with these amazing standards happen to not have a car, or own a pair of Nikes, and happen to walk just about everywhere. No wonder about the *****ing over a couple of $'s a month. I suppose you also have no other forms of entertainment, like movies, or DVDs and probably eat macaroni every night too.

...said brave alt.
and yes. ppl are mostly p1ssed cause you lied, ccp, you ninja edited stuff... not because of this change. the way you handled it is outrageous.
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Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.15 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lorgoth ...said brave alt.
Just doing my alt part. Just like the other 90% of alts posting here. At least I'm not cancelling him because CCP told me a lie. What would mommy say. |

EvEhate2
Minmatar PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lorgoth
Originally by: Random5154 I find it amazing that everyone with these amazing standards happen to not have a car, or own a pair of Nikes, and happen to walk just about everywhere. No wonder about the *****ing over a couple of $'s a month. I suppose you also have no other forms of entertainment, like movies, or DVDs and probably eat macaroni every night too.

...said brave alt.
A ghost trained one? |

Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:00:00 -
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Just thought I'd post this again, to make sure everyone gets a chance to see it:
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
CCP: "It's a bug." Players: "It's been documented in the Player Guide for five years." CCP: "That was a miscommunication." Players: "You tried to get rid of it before, but backed off because of the community outrage." CCP: "......It's a bug?"
Honestly, there are really only two conclusions I can draw from this whole thing: a.) y'all are lying your asses off trying to Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. b.) you are the most incompetent game developers I have ever dealt with, by touting a "bug" as a game feature for five years.
Oh, I think I forgot to mention: This is a bug. |

Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:02:00 -
[3767]
Originally by: Random5154 Edited by: Random5154 on 15/10/2008 19:57:40 I find it amazing that everyone with these amazing standards happen to not have a car, or own a pair of Nikes, and happen to walk just about everywhere barefoot (insert some witty comment about another brand of shoe that follows the same practices). No wonder about the *****ing over a couple of $'s a month. I suppose you also have no other forms of entertainment, like movies, or DVDs and probably eat macaroni every night too.

No, you're still stupid. I walk to the train station because it's less than half a mile from my house. I wear work shoes to work and own a pair of fairly comfy Converse that I've had for years. I make good money, own numerous game consoles, computers, TVs, etc so I don't know where that particular outburst of idiocy comes from.
Perhaps you should run along for a while until you can compose a somewhat coherent argument like the adults are doing. |

Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:04:00 -
[3768]
Originally by: Kheldon Fel No, you're still stupid. I walk to the train station because it's less than half a mile from my house. I wear work shoes to work and own a pair of fairly comfy Converse that I've had for years. I make good money, own numerous game consoles, computers, TVs, etc so I don't know where that particular outburst of idiocy comes from.
Perhaps you should run along for a while until you can compose a somewhat coherent argument like the adults are doing.
Alright adult, go along and quit because CCP hurt your feelings. It's what all the adults are doing. o/ |

Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:06:00 -
[3769]
Edited by: Lorgoth on 15/10/2008 20:06:41
Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Kheldon Fel No, you're still stupid. I walk to the train station because it's less than half a mile from my house. I wear work shoes to work and own a pair of fairly comfy Converse that I've had for years. I make good money, own numerous game consoles, computers, TVs, etc so I don't know where that particular outburst of idiocy comes from.
Perhaps you should run along for a while until you can compose a somewhat coherent argument like the adults are doing.
Alright adult, go along and quit because CCP hurt your feelings. It's what all the adults are doing. o/
ok, it's pretty late, kid. go to bed. it's what all the kids are doing.
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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:07:00 -
[3770]
Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Kheldon Fel No, you're still stupid. I walk to the train station because it's less than half a mile from my house. I wear work shoes to work and own a pair of fairly comfy Converse that I've had for years. I make good money, own numerous game consoles, computers, TVs, etc so I don't know where that particular outburst of idiocy comes from.
Perhaps you should run along for a while until you can compose a somewhat coherent argument like the adults are doing.
Alright adult, go along and quit because CCP hurt your feelings. It's what all the adults are doing. o/
So CCP is letting you work overtime I see. Keep posting. |
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Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Kheldon Fel No, you're still stupid. I walk to the train station because it's less than half a mile from my house. I wear work shoes to work and own a pair of fairly comfy Converse that I've had for years. I make good money, own numerous game consoles, computers, TVs, etc so I don't know where that particular outburst of idiocy comes from.
Perhaps you should run along for a while until you can compose a somewhat coherent argument like the adults are doing.
Alright adult, go along and quit because CCP hurt your feelings. It's what all the adults are doing. o/
Thanks for proving that you don't know what you're talking about. o/ |

Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:08:00 -
[3772]
I'd say I'm emoragequitting, but I'm not feeling very much rage. Lately I haven't even bothered to log in because... it'll be months before I can do the 'next thing' I haven't done in eve. And without the ability to train at least a few of those rank 8+ 'V' prereqs unfunded... Let's just say the drive is simiply lacking.
4 accounts were in hibernation because of GTC changes. Odds are it's permanent now. And once this account expires there's little to no reason to resub immediately -- I may be back once ambulation or some other shiny hits. Or not. Meh. Failing to care much about eve lately. |

chiisai sakana
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:08:00 -
[3773]
doesn't take a too bright guy to notice that this thing has turned into a fiasko on ccp's part. |

Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:11:00 -
[3774]
Originally by: Kheldon Fel Thanks for proving that you don't know what you're talking about. o/
Sigh, you going to make me go back to your previous posts? OK.
Originally by: Kheldon Fel So you've never boycotted (as in refused to give money to) a business that treated you in a way you didn't like?
I am sorry CCP treated you in a way you didn't like, and that you are now upset by that treatment and will boycott them. That blows. o/ |

Random5154
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:13:00 -
[3775]
Originally by: Clair Bear I'd say I'm emoragequitting, but I'm not feeling very much rage. Lately I haven't even bothered to log in because... it'll be months before I can do the 'next thing' I haven't done in eve. And without the ability to train at least a few of those rank 8+ 'V' prereqs unfunded... Let's just say the drive is simiply lacking.
4 accounts were in hibernation because of GTC changes. Odds are it's permanent now. And once this account expires there's little to no reason to resub immediately -- I may be back once ambulation or some other shiny hits. Or not. Meh. Failing to care much about eve lately.
See, this is a reasonable thread by a reasonable person. And to this end, I do think that the change sucks because some valid people have some valid gripes about the changes and the game no longer being worthwhile for them. It no longers provides the enjoyment to pay for, that I can respect.
All the emoragequitters, hurry up and quit. EVE has been DYING after all for years. |

Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:14:00 -
[3776]
125 pages... nice. it's even better when some noob-GM tried to pull that sh1t with carriers changes. oh boy... that was fun to read all that rage and anger.
keep up the good work, ccp. we are definitely heading in the right direction.
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Velda Chulai
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:15:00 -
[3777]
Edited by: Velda Chulai on 15/10/2008 20:18:52
Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Velda Chulai I willfully invite any CCP employee to confirm the cancellation status of my accounts publicly on this forum; the moment I find another game which offers the features of Eve Online, I'll probably play that game but I cannot play Eve, especially given CCP's failures with regards to business ethics.
Business ethics? Do you have a home, a mortgage, maybe insurance?
We paid off our mortgage and, despite some hard times where we could have been foreclosed on (missing payment for but a few days can be grounds), the bank chose not to. We now own our home outright.
As for insurence terms, we read and understand our terms. Luckily we've never had to make a claim but we understand phrases like "Acts of God" (which is really an easier-to-swallow catch all for "anomalous events")
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Care to maybe take a peek at the various business ethics that have been followed that have resulted in a rather global meltdown over the past few months? Care to explain how you are going to avoid the business ethics of every large 'for profit' company in the world? Should we even start discussing drug companies where it's slightly more important than "internet space ships".
In addition to making this a topic that goes beyond the scope of this thread, you're comparing Internet Spaceships to an international financial disaster? CCP is a for profit company, and this is a terrible way of securing the goal of profit.
I know enough to pick my battles, and this is an easy one; I clicked one button.
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Seriously, is the year of 2008 to go back to the '60s where we can all be hippies with flowers in our hair? What is this emo crap? I think it'll be refreshing to wave all the emo rage quiters good bye. Maybe the forums will no longer be filled with quite so many whine threads.
Nice ad homonym. All MMORPGs have nerfs that displease their respective communities. Last week, this entire topic wasn't an issue. CCP has decided to make it one and it's clearly tearing the community apart. CCP has chosen to take on a divisive issue and from my perspective they need to be taken to task for it. 2 days notice on a significant change that they've lied about three times is far too much.
From my perspective, I no longer want to pay for a game if they wish to willfully remove any incentive I had to inject money in on an ad-hoc basis. Why should my sporadically subscribed, resource-light characters fund enhancements and development for resources that everyone else will make more use of?
I have friends who agree that I'm taking an extreme position, many of whom I'll miss. I'll retain some email addresses and if I find something better, I'll pass the word on. However my hope is that CCP reverses this decision and those friends e-mail me with the good news.
Ultimately CCP can make a decision. So can everyone else. Hopefully anyone who remains enjoys Eve for what it is, but CCP's honesty in this as well as with historical events is entirely another matter. |

James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:17:00 -
[3778]
Originally by: Huberek Morchu Im confused about this argument that people were attracted to Eve because they could train their characters without having to play the game. Basically they have no problem that it takes 12 months to be able to fly some capital ship as long as they dont actually have to pay for the game or play while they wait. Does that make any sense?
"Im going to try this cool game eve because I dont plan on playing for a year, and its nice that I can just switch a skill every couple months till my clone is ready for me to use".
Why not just buy a character with the skillset you want?
I can not of course talk for everyone here, since I am only one man. I can tell you that the reason I came here was WAY before capital ships even existed. I did however at the time enjoy the concept of a game where I could leave for a month or two because of work, train a long skill, and come back to it being finished while saving myself 15 a month since I wasn't playing the game anyway.
For me, this was a drawing feature because even when I get burnt out, which I do a lot, it allowed me to continue on training because I always knew I would come back even if not to restart a new skill when the first finished, but because I was bored with everything else on the market I would still have something to look forward to.
It was "Cool" because it allowed those of us with super hectic lives (and those of who who DIDNT ABUSE IT) to still progress our skills even if we weren't progressing our ISK intake or kill quota while saving 15 bucks for whatever reason we had for quiting for a month or two.
BUT WITH THAT SAID.
My issue with this change is NOT the simple fact they took it out, that is a big part of it, but the larger part is how they are handling it. Sorry thats the way I am, when Mythic Entertainment decided to nerf my ranger to the point where I was worthless I quit. Did I delete him? No, just as I wont biomass James or Heckubus, did I come back? You bet I did when they started to change the class back to where it at least could compete.
When mythic then again recently changed rangers into casters w/ bows I quit again. I posted on VN since Mythic has no forum of their own and let them know my displeasure and have not been back since. Did I delete the toon? No, for the same reasons I posted above. If I feel as though something that has changes, has impacted MY play style in a way that I feel is enough to warrant me quitting I do so. I post here, for the most part so that they can read it and understand what us as customers think, not to appease the masses of other people upset, or to make sure the trolls have troll food, or so the fanbois can laugh, I post because I paid to use these services and I "love" eve. But I am only loyal to a company who is loyal to its user base. To me, announcing this change a day before or so it happens, and then misleading people about why and blaming it on the fact that the company is too incompetent to know whats in its own user guides shows a disrespect for our intellect that just rubs me the wrong way enough to say ciao. |

Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:21:00 -
[3779]
Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Kheldon Fel Thanks for proving that you don't know what you're talking about. o/
Sigh, you going to make me go back to your previous posts? OK.
Originally by: Kheldon Fel So you've never boycotted (as in refused to give money to) a business that treated you in a way you didn't like?
I am sorry CCP treated you in a way you didn't like, and that you are now upset by that treatment and will boycott them. That blows. o/
You're not very good at this, are you? Where, in that post, does it say that I've quit eve because CCP hurt my feelings? |

Lorgoth
Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2008.10.15 20:23:00 -
[3780]
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: Random5154
Originally by: Kheldon Fel Thanks for proving that you don't know what you're talking about. o/
Sigh, you going to make me go back to your previous posts? OK.
Originally by: Kheldon Fel So you've never boycotted (as in refused to give money to) a business that treated you in a way you didn't like?
I am sorry CCP treated you in a way you didn't like, and that you are now upset by that treatment and will boycott them. That blows. o/
You're not very good at this, are you? Where, in that post, does it say that I've quit eve because CCP hurt my feelings?
khel, leave kid alone, ok ? :]
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