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kan han
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira That much crying just means one thing, that you're so hooked on the game you'll continue playing 
Hmm, I'm just asking me who whined first. I think it was CCP beacuse of sooooooooo much Ghost Account, Boooo Hooo Hooooooooo. *ouch*
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira PS: I can't belive y'all are still crying  That much crying just means one thing, that you're so hooked on the game you'll continue playing 
For me this might very well be the case. But I'll still have all my chars, and CCP will see far less income from me. About half, actually. And since my alts are all well over 40m SP they're more than capable be used efficiently without more training. The Ghost-training vote thread |

Fangren Hunter
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:34:00 -
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PLAYER BASE ON STRIKE
As form of protest I call to you all to not login next Friday
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Tivookzz
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fangren Hunter
PLAYER BASE ON STRIKE
As form of protest I call to you all to not login next Friday
I'm having a blast in my newly registered Warhammer account so don't worry, I wont be logging on at all, friday included.
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Boomer Aires
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:58:00 -
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Why there is no answer or any comment from CCP? Where are they? Ghosts?
CCP crisis management: CCP Games CEO Hilmar Petursson:
Quote: [...] Tough times never last, tough people do. Iceland is full of tough people, the rest died off centuries ago. [...]
Ahhh, ok that's the possible way they are sitting this problem out.
BoooOH Huuuu
snowflakes -> snow flurry -> Blizzard ...it's getting cold out there!

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Valuv
Placeholder Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:05:00 -
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I have no real problem with CCP disabling ghost-training, don't really care that much since they have the right to do it, but...
The way they have done it, is absolutely ridiculous. Lies, lies and more lies with petty attempts at damage control. Seriously, just fire your whole PR team and get a new one.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Bond
(On a less frustration-fuelled note) I was playing LOTRO a minute ago, and as I had not played in a while I was recieving increased EXP for slapping up bears...
I play on Vilya with a bunch of other eve defectors. 'LoyalServant' 
Eve tho I have no XP to gain (I'm at the level cap) It's still good old fashioned fun to run out into the moors and bash on other people. Or bash crap in CD..... Just because Turbine does not present us with nonsense like this..... We play, we have fun and we don't worry about nerfs and dev cheats or stupid policy.
Fact is, very rarely does turbine ever get in the way of playing. We play, and we don't get bothered with nonsense.... it's great.
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Pheleus
Afk Masters
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:12:00 -
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Can someone link the unedited player guide talking about the skill training please want to show some friends the lol-gasm.
Also I am not the oldest player in the world but i have noticed something with CCP, once the change is made like this they just ignore the outcry until it goes away...there will be no response nothing and in a week or 5 it will be like it never happened. Nothing we say or do will change this now it is toooo late.
/me points to nos nerf, speed nerf, T20 ****, Carrier nerf the proof is out there and there is many more i cant be stuffed listing.
Phel.
-4 accounts by the way.
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BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.22 16:10:00 -
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MMORPG.com should have been like "Please keep the discussion to the relevant sticky in EVE Information Portal" for the lulz.
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira uh duuuurh *drools*
Are you gonna wash your mouth with buckshot or should I do it for you?
And post with your main. _ Hooray for ****ty marketing moves.
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DorXtar
The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2008.10.22 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pheleus Can someone link the unedited player guide talking about the skill training please want to show some friends the lol-gasm.
Also I am not the oldest player in the world but i have noticed something with CCP, once the change is made like this they just ignore the outcry until it goes away...there will be no response nothing and in a week or 5 it will be like it never happened. Nothing we say or do will change this now it is toooo late.
/me points to nos nerf, speed nerf, T20 ****, Carrier nerf the proof is out there and there is many more i cant be stuffed listing.
Phel.
-4 accounts by the way.
I don't think this will go away in the minds of CCP peeps. It's going to hurt their wallet until they implement features that bring in more subscribers. Like nipples. ________________________________ It never hurts to help! |

Mirik
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mirik on 22/10/2008 17:37:47 I have 3 accounts with Eve and I have canceled all of them. Two of them are (or at this point I should say were) on a yearly subscriptions, third account was on monthly basis with the plans to use "ghost training feature" on it this very month! This third account was very seldom used for specific situations and simply does not justify $14.95 per month. Which is precisely why I planned to use ghost training feature to lessen the cost once my skills were trained to the point that mostly I would need to train level 5 skills.
What CCP did here in my view, is like saying: "Yes we are happy that you pay us yearly subscription on your two accounts. We are even more happy that you purchased 3rd account with us. No we don't care that you planned to use one of our ADVERTISED FEATURES because we always really thought of it as bug. Have a nice day."
Basically CCP extended their middle finger in my direction.
I really can't afford and/or justify paying full price for this 3rd account at this time, but I was willing to give CCP something by using ghost training FEATURE!
I was a loyal customer for years but this blatant lie on CCPs part is simply a last straw. This coming February my yearly subscriptions will expire and I will definitely not be renewing them.
It's funny how this is such a big deal all of a sudden. Over the years with Eve I have lost months (this is not a joke) of training time on my account due to lack of skill queue feature. Some people do travel, for example, and sometimes there is simply no way to access your account or (especially when your Eve life begins) you have no long time skills to train yet.
As a player base we have been asking for skill queuing for years. I don't see CCP wanting to refund me months of lost training time or any interest whatsoever of implementing one of the most asked for (if not most asked for) features.
I will most likely sell the characters/accounts in February as I don't see CCP changing their ways. My main character has 59 million SP and my other one 57 million SP with God knows how many millions lost over the years just because CCP is unable to implement a simple feature, yet they have no problem labeling and advertised feature a bug.
Nice going there CCP. I hope it will be worth it for you losing a loyal customer.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Aiel on 22/10/2008 17:41:25
Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 22/10/2008 12:33:32
Originally by: Tivookz ...but what other game takes 20++ years to level up fully?
None.... Great isn't it? Finally a game that has no limits! You can specialise without ever really hitting any obstructions.
EVE is specifically designed so you can't have all skills trained fully, ie. it forces you to CHOOSE instead of just mindlessly training everything.
Originally by: Tivookz Skilltraining is already bad as it is, I started playing in 2004 and I still haven't gotten the skills I want to have at lvl 5 to lvl 5.
Buhu... cry me a river....
In short, you never will. Deal with it!
Originally by: Tivookz Removing ghosttraining will only enhance the gap between new players and old players and also aggrivate the old players who are frustrated about the time it takes to skill up say dreadnought lvl 5?
Ehem.... The only players who really benefit from ghost training ARE the old players. Ghost training didn't benefit the new players who were training lvl 4 of his racial cruiser, but it DID benefit the old players training the rank 10+ skills.
If Dread 5 is so valuable to you that you'll train those 50-60 days for it, THEN IT IS NOT TOO LONG! If it is not, then you're free to train something else that you think is worth your time. This is one of the benefits of EVE, you NEVER run out of things to train!
PS: I can't belive y'all are still crying  That much crying just means one thing, that you're so hooked on the game you'll continue playing 
im constantly amazed how much d-i-c-k the fanbois will allow CCP to insert up their asses ------------------------------------------------ CCP you are your own worst enemy. http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility look at that |

Iva Soreass
Black Plague.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:57:00 -
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Trying to spin it that it was a 'bugg' that was overlooked for 5 years but promoted as a 'feature' this says to me : "FU eve customers! We only care about your money"
Like someone else said in this thread they aint gonna reply they will just push it thru and stick 2 fingers up and say like it or lump it.
For me that was the nail in the already made coffin for me, i was brinking on quiting for ages due to stupid nerf's and changes and friends leaving due to stupid nerfs and changes. This just says greed to me and i would rather give my money to companys and on games that im gonna play.
So -3 acounts well played ccp and fyi i have only ever used this feature once all other times accounts have always been active.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Clair Bear on 22/10/2008 18:04:17
Originally by: Annuka
p.s i know of at least 10 people who have sold their characters for RL money in the last 2 weeks... whether your stats reveal this or not, one thing is for certain, your losing numbers and your losing them fast.
Quite the opposite in this case, actually. A burned out player has handed the torch to a motivated new player (or farmer). It's more likely those accounts will be funded 100%, at least short term.
I must admit the thought of ebay has crossed my mind. If I knew I was leaving the game for good why not get something out of it? About 100M SP across 3 accounts (35/1/1M, 34/1/1M, 25/6/1M), and maybe another 20-30B in assets and fantastic standings to many NPC corps. Seems like about an extra $500-$1000 or so... Not a bad parting gift!
However I think there will be a real wake-up call to CCP as a result of 'recent events' and a non-zero chance the game will improve tremendously as a result. Maybe even some of the old guard will be called back from the vampire MMO to do something interesting and stop the bleeding.
And if I'm wrong I lose very little to waiting and seeing. Without ghost training I can just keep checking back every few months. I can return on my terms, not when evemon goes "DING! skills are done."
-1 (but -3 total if you count other alts) as of 11/5, feel free to add me to your friends list and call me a liar if you see me on before next year, if ever.
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Kakizaki
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:18:00 -
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Well, suffice it to say I havent read every post in the thread but...
It seems to me this wouldnt be as big of an issue if we were allowed to train multiple characters per subscription.
The fact that I have to have a fully seperate subsciption for each character, or else write one of the characters on an account off as a secondary who gets almost not SP advancement has always bugged me.
The fact that I cant PLAY both of them simultaneously doesnt have to change.
So IMO, sure, get rid of Ghost Training, but let me train all 3 characters on my actual subscription!
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kan han
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:38:00 -
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Don't quote the marketing or the Devs, Quote the Management for a superior level of entertainment. It is sooo funny to so how they love to present themselves, this jewell is taken from CCPs offical company communication, and it is the part about the risks. Accentuations by me:
Quote: Reputational risk Reputational risk is the risk that CCP will suffer loss of revenue due to negative publicity. Such negative pub- licity may result from operational decisions, or lack thereof, or from events arising within CCP’s online virtual worlds. In this respect, it should be noted that the Company’s main source of revenue is subscription fees, collected from a large number of private individuals. These individuals form a user community that is highly demanding and interactive. Damage to the Company’s reputation may cause these individuals to terminate their subscriptions in large numbers. In this case, future earnings would be adversely affected.
The next big laugh in this ongoing story of CCP biting the own ass. I wonder who the hell even thought that the suspended but training account would lower CCPs income? Must have been a decision in hurry and fear I guess.
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CaptainOkuna
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:42:00 -
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Bad move CCP.
I won't be quitting. But my 6 accounts will become 2 very shortly, 2 down already.
I will be keeping all my trained chars, after all it isnt as if CCP are removing the sp's earnt to make it fair as they say they are. They will be transferred to spare slots on the 2 accounts still active.
I would say even with the accounts I mainly ghost trained with, I was still paying for 8 months out of 12.
So you have gone from getting ($17.50 x 6) x 0.66 from me = $69 (thats conservative as 2 accounts are permanently active) to getting $17.50 x 2 = $35
I dont pay for any of my accounts with isk as I am too lazy, so that is a direct hit to your figures. Classic business strategy.
After the debacles of the last year (Boot.ini killed my last PC permanently, GTC price hikes combined with dollar rates going down), this is just laughable. I am not going to say I will quit the game completely. But it is making such future releases such as Black Prophecy and Jump Gate Evolution look more and more tantalising.
I'll be accused of being a left-wing radical, a right-wing oppressor and a libertarian libertine.
I'll plead guilty to all of the above.
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Mia Aires
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: kan han Don't quote the marketing or the Devs, Quote the Management for a superior level of entertainment. It is sooo funny to so how they love to present themselves, this jewell is taken from CCPs offical company communication, and it is the part about the risks. Accentuations by me:
Quote: Reputational risk Reputational risk is the risk that CCP will suffer loss of revenue due to negative publicity. Such negative pub- licity may result from operational decisions, or lack thereof, or from events arising within CCPÆs online virtual worlds. In this respect, it should be noted that the CompanyÆs main source of revenue is subscription fees, collected from a large number of private individuals. These individuals form a user community that is highly demanding and interactive. Damage to the CompanyÆs reputation may cause these individuals to terminate their subscriptions in large numbers. In this case, future earnings would be adversely affected.
The next big laugh in this ongoing story of CCP biting the own ass. I wonder who the hell even thought that the suspended but training account would lower CCPs income? Must have been a decision in hurry and fear I guess.
Great read! But don't care Kan Han, wait until they fixed this "bug" and updated the company registration docs. Yes, I know its a long overdue one, but they will find it pretty fast.
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Ronwe
Trag'Oul
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Posted - 2008.10.22 19:59:00 -
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After following the whole CCP controversies and comments out of player base i somehow can understand CCP.
First i was ****ed about being unable to continue Skillttrain, while beeing canceled, but now im more wondering about those yerkheads having 3+ accounts. In every situation in live there are Greedtards abusing every single anrangement to get money.
Actually its not CCPs fault. That something like this would come was predictable. I only owned one account and trained a second cause i felt like it 2 years later. 1-3 accounts arent that big deal. But can someone pls give a me a good reason why someone needs four or more accounts?
You cant control them in PVP efficent, since your skills in ship control decreases by lets say 30% per account ; not really worth the hassle to train 4 accs or more. Two are enough and three are a pain to handle simultaniosuly ....
Someone telling i need a twink for carebear stuff while using the first for PVP would be reasonable, but you dont need 4. 4 Accounts for something like mining/ratting/missioning smells like MAKRO! Thats totally hilarious Makrotards should be quiet.
Point is that this change is all the fault of our beloved greed! Those guys ( I bet my ass for it that lots of new players are part of this 10k Ghosties) deserve it ! I hope you quit!
For those who dont have any clue bout eve cause they started only 1 or maybe 2 years ago, you better listen to the oldies. At that time eve aired online it was the WTF factor that you could skill while being canceled. Its not like today. At that time, the small playerbase of maybe 4k -8k advertised EVE to their friends, not because it was cheap , because you could take a break and get back and have some goddies like new Ships. CCP Ceo tells a different story now, that some1 who wanst into the source code off eve wrote that advert saying ghost training etc...; thats not true, i remember him anouncing it , on games conventions it was one of the first things CCP staff told you. It played a big part of the selling strategie and i may burn my tongue, but i believe it was the biggest part of it whether or not they tell you a different story now.
For the part you dont get any free in Ogames, i can 100% confirm that this is an absolute LIE. All other games have Events where player can get Onlineshop items special kits/items whatever for free motivating players to stay subscribed for another month. Eve is the only game we get nothing now except some unnesessary Nerfs nobody asked for. Since you are not unique anymore you have to make sure you start to keep us happy with stuff nobody needs like that other games do.
Point of my Comment is that maybe CCP could rethink the way they chopped off Ghost Training.
- In my point of view, people only having one account should be able to continue with it. Second Account should be made incapable of Ghost Training.
Why? Donno who it was but someone talked about beeing fair. I think thats what players deserve even if they arent subscribing 40/40 times. Ghost training was a Legit Game mechanic but apearently to easy to abuse. Since EVE has a high amount of older Players with jobs,Fam,Studies etc. i feel a little lumped together with all those chara breeder/macrominer/macroplexer/macroDEVS/Macroscammer.
They destroy this game! They kill the market and now they killed Ghost Training!
Congratulations |
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Meha Mott
Minmatar Carebear Research and Produktion Agency
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Posted - 2008.10.22 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainOkuna Bad move CCP.
I won't be quitting. But my 6 accounts will become 2 very shortly, 2 down already.
I will be keeping all my trained chars, after all it isnt as if CCP are removing the sp's earnt to make it fair as they say they are. They will be transferred to spare slots on the 2 accounts still active.
I would say even with the accounts I mainly ghost trained with, I was still paying for 8 months out of 12.
So you have gone from getting ($17.50 x 6) x 0.66 from me = $69 (thats conservative as 2 accounts are permanently active) to getting $17.50 x 2 = $35
I dont pay for any of my accounts with isk as I am too lazy, so that is a direct hit to your figures. Classic business strategy.
After the debacles of the last year (Boot.ini killed my last PC permanently, GTC price hikes combined with dollar rates going down), this is just laughable. I am not going to say I will quit the game completely. But it is making such future releases such as Black Prophecy and Jump Gate Evolution look more and more tantalising.
Exactly this ^^, but not with 6, i will do it with 12 accounts, and 2 friends will do exactly the same. Time to say bye bye to 210$ never coming back .
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Ronwe
Trag'Oul
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Posted - 2008.10.22 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Meha Mott
Originally by: CaptainOkuna Bad move CCP.
I won't be quitting. But my 6 accounts will become 2 very shortly, 2 down already.
I will be keeping all my trained chars, after all it isnt as if CCP are removing the sp's earnt to make it fair as they say they are. They will be transferred to spare slots on the 2 accounts still active.
I would say even with the accounts I mainly ghost trained with, I was still paying for 8 months out of 12.
So you have gone from getting ($17.50 x 6) x 0.66 from me = $69 (thats conservative as 2 accounts are permanently active) to getting $17.50 x 2 = $35
I dont pay for any of my accounts with isk as I am too lazy, so that is a direct hit to your figures. Classic business strategy.
After the debacles of the last year (Boot.ini killed my last PC permanently, GTC price hikes combined with dollar rates going down), this is just laughable. I am not going to say I will quit the game completely. But it is making such future releases such as Black Prophecy and Jump Gate Evolution look more and more tantalising.
Exactly this ^^, but not with 6, i will do it with 12 accounts, and 2 friends will do exactly the same. Time to say bye bye to 210$ never coming back .
Horray!!!! 12 Accs...  Somehow the question of "who has the most breeding Accoutns in eve" comes up.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.10.22 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Meha Mott
Exactly this ^^, but not with 6, i will do it with 12 accounts, and 2 friends will do exactly the same. Time to say bye bye to 210$ never coming back .
LOL, CCP sure appears foolish claiming people were abusing ghost training in increasing numbers . That said, CCP you can't be surprized by peoples reaction. Even if you had always said it was not intended, you kept on mentioning it to players who have asked about it in the past like it was a feature. Example from 2006:
Originally by: Locke Diedrake I have an alt, with a 35 day skill training going, if I don't pay for it this month, while the account is inactive will the skill training still run?
I have no use for the alt until such time as the skills are done, and money is tight this month. Originally by: Wrangler
Characters are not deleted, since it doesn't take up much server space anyway. Technically there's only a 6 month guarantee though, but people have come back after more than a year of absence to find their character just the way they left it.
And yes, skill training continues even if your account is deactivated. 
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.22 20:57:00 -
[4854]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
im constantly amazed how much d-i-c-k the fanbois will allow CCP to insert up their asses
LOL. That's priceless. 
I think that part of it is that some players have noted that over the past 5 years, vets to the game have told carebears to stop whining and "adapt or die." Now it's like a badge of honour to throw that phrase at someone.
The fact that there is so much out-cry over the mounting issues players have with CCP and that the risk is these wanna-be's might be playing the game all by themselves before the plug is pulled on the servers - is beyond them.
Adapt or die... hmm... maybe it's time that CCP themselves took note of this saying.
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CaptainOkuna
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: CaptainOkuna on 22/10/2008 21:11:47 I do wonder how many of the 240k accounts are actually alt accounts; it will be interesting to see how the subscriber numbers change after this.
On a side note is there a way to actually delete an account? I wouldn't want CCP to use an inactive account with no toons on it as one of their 240k accounts to show how their latest nerf has boosted subscriber numbers.
PS. Quoted for posterity:
Originally by: Locke Diedrake I have an alt, with a 35 day skill training going, if I don't pay for it this month, while the account is inactive will the skill training still run?
I have no use for the alt until such time as the skills are done, and money is tight this month. Originally by: Wrangler
Characters are not deleted, since it doesn't take up much server space anyway. Technically there's only a 6 month guarantee though, but people have come back after more than a year of absence to find their character just the way they left it.
And yes, skill training continues even if your account is deactivated. 
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
I'll be accused of being a left-wing radical, a right-wing oppressor and a libertarian libertine.
I'll plead guilty to all of the above.
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captain shepard
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Posted - 2008.10.22 22:10:00 -
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well, its all been said, but this is one of the things I really liked about eve, and it is something I will consider very much when deciding if I should change MMO's or not....
I am a father and husband, and it was nice to be able to take a break from eve for a month while one of those really long skills was training.... I call crap on this...pure crap
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.10.22 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fangren Hunter
PLAYER BASE ON STRIKE
As form of protest I call to you all to not login next Friday
Actually this is a pretty good idea, take a friday off if you do not agree with the removal of the feature. I am sure servers will feel good, and people will have less lag, but it would still make subtle point. Wish people would actually do that.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.10.22 22:13:00 -
[4858]
Originally by: Locke Diedrake I have an alt, with a 35 day skill training going, if I don't pay for it this month, while the account is inactive will the skill training still run?
I have no use for the alt until such time as the skills are done, and money is tight this month. Originally by: Wrangler
Characters are not deleted, since it doesn't take up much server space anyway. Technically there's only a 6 month guarantee though, but people have come back after more than a year of absence to find their character just the way they left it.
And yes, skill training continues even if your account is deactivated. 
Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
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Vama Mapri
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Posted - 2008.10.22 22:17:00 -
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Well seeing as it's fair for them to say you can't train unless you've paid, shouldn't it also be fair for us to say we shouldn't get billed unless were actually in-game and using their equipement/servers ?
Same principal but because it doesn't benefit them it won't happen........
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CaptainOkuna
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vama Mapri Well seeing as it's fair for them to say you can't train unless you've paid, shouldn't it also be fair for us to say we shouldn't get billed unless were actually in-game and using their equipement/servers ?
Same principal but because it doesn't benefit them it won't happen........
If they truley wanted to make it 'fair' they would make it so that only logged in accounts would train.
Unfortunately they have made it so that those who can afford to run multiple unused accounts pay for it. For those who can't (not me) tough luck.
Fairness is not why they made this decision. Money is.
I'll be accused of being a left-wing radical, a right-wing oppressor and a libertarian libertine.
I'll plead guilty to all of the above.
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