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Tobias Lee
UK Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:39:00 -
[1411]
I used to run 2 eve accounts 1 main 1 alt switched 2 chars over to my main after GMs took 2 months to deal with my petiton last xmas, that's right 2 months. Then they tried to tell me i had already received a reply which i clearly hadn't else why would i ask wheres my reply.
I switched to paying with gtc purely out of principle whilst i spent my emorage playing other games my main 5 years account was always active.
Couple of months back i was going to sell my main toon use a new alt set up the 2nd account had to pay 20 pounds despite having 2 eve online cds in boxes ?? then switched that to gtc. I cannot afford the current gtc prices or the subs since i'm currently not working so that alt account that was gonna ghost bs 4 to 5 is gonna be gone i wont bother with that account.
Personally if CCP were straight up from the beginning i wouldnt see a problem I remember them struggling to get players when 5k on the server was a busy day, maybe when the server has this kind of number again CCP might actually obtain some sort of decent customer service.
Few words of advice if your teaching kids or feeding them info they like to have it in small digestable chunks. Adults learn differently and prefer to see the whole bigger picture so maybe quit bullshitting people and just say this is how it is, we lost x amount of money or we need x y z for this etc.
Oh yeah and the vast majority of your player base are adults btw in case you did not notice.
As for Mr Lonestar hes clearly a CCP alt, yes its your game but if all the customers leave you gonna be left playing eve on your personal server with just 1 player yourself :P
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:39:00 -
[1412]
 Originally by: Fenrill Nerkata
Edited by: Fenrill Nerkata on 14/10/2008 10:32:28
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Ghost Training was an unintended feature
Only one word : Liar.
For those who say proof of stfu, here is my proof :
1- hosted out of CCP server before CCP change it :
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=proofxz3.jpg
2- Quoting original host on CCP's Tutorial :
Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off. If you want to switch skills, you can simply do so by starting another skill training. The points gained on the previous skill will not be lost, but you don't benefit from the training until the level is fully completed. The highest level for any skill is Level 5, but some skills also have an advanced version. Some of those advanced skills influence the same area as the basic version, others only a related area.
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this has been written by players hence it does not state any of CCP's intended mechanics.
i think the huge problem here is people training up alts to fly caps and supercaps without paying for most of the time needed to skill and then returning with rather mighty alliance pets.
so as it goes for me i'm fine with it, if you have an alt you want to use with caps and supercaps pay for it all the way!
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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asp viper
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:42:00 -
[1413]
Edited by: asp viper on 14/10/2008 10:43:42
I hope, a majority of CCP customers will teach you a lesson, how to do good work. First you fix real bugs, then you advance the subscription fee, not viceversa. I will be one of them. I will reduce my active accounts. period.
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Laydee
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:42:00 -
[1414]
Originally by: Higgins 5000
- 3 accounts
no more ghost training? then i refuse to give you any money. not one ****ing cent.
If you were paying money, why did Ghost training effect you anyway ?
Otherwise, you cancelling 3 accounts that aren't subscribed 
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Ismir Vedenov
Gallente
Avec Laudenum
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:42:00 -
[1415]
I was going to post something really long about this, but I'll just tell you all a quick story.
I only have one account. Always have. I joined about 6 months ago. I have never once had to ghost-train, but I really enjoyed knowing that when I needed to take a break from EVE and/or as my [RL] wallet's reserves dwindled, I would be able to set a skill to train and come back to a nice present (a juicy level five skill like BS5). That is what set EVE apart from other MMOs in my mind. Whereas with most MMOs, I'd go, "Meh. I'm burnt out. I don't like where I am, and I can't get further right now," with EVE I took solace in the fact I could always just train a really long skill and forget about it for a month or two. I didn't feel like I had to sell my soul (through playtime advancing my character) or give a set amount of my income to play EVE.
It would still take me just as long as anyone else to train skills, but I -- thank goodness -- wouldn't have to pay the ghastly monthly fee while it ticked away. What sense is there, when I'm on vacation, to pay 30 USD for a service I am not using? I am paying to let time pass!
Anyway, I'm not angry, nor am I emoragequitting (though my subscription is not being allowed to renew its 3M sub tomorrow because of CCP's PR blunders here). I completely understand all sides in this argument. I get where CCP is coming from wanting more money, I get where the advocates of CCP's decision are coming from with TANSTAAFL, and I get where those who are against this decision are coming from. I side with the latter, but that doesn't mean I don't see merit in each view. :)
I disagree with CCP's decision for one big reason though, and I think it's logically sound: if someone is ghost-training, they will need to pay a MINIMUM of 14.95 USD for the 30D subscription to change their skills. So even if they're paying 14.95 USD every other month, or even every third month, isn't that more than 0 USD if you remove their reason for subscribing that character/account in the first place?
Thanks for the good times, EVE Community.
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Can't wait to see what EVE becomes though! Maybe I'll see you all in-game later. 
P.S. Cool down and love one another, won'tcha? 
<3<3<3
~Ismir Vedenov 
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Cazzah
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:42:00 -
[1416]
Lies and short notice with no consultation are not appreciated. I am against the proposed changes, and it will hurt Eve a lot.
I encourage others to make known their displeasure and add to the voices of opposition.
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Paladineguru
Gallente
DAB
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:45:00 -
[1417]
With a job in the military youve finally gotten down to removing the only incentive that kept me coming back to resubscribe for 5 years. the extra week to a month of sp was usually the incentive for my coming back. now i guess the next time i ask myself the question why should i give eve my money instead of another game , i wont have any answer .
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Sky Marshal
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:46:00 -
[1418]
Originally by: Liranan
Stop the whining about greed. CCP might have hard times ahead of them. Keep complaining about their presentation, that should be the real problem.
CCP told us few weeks ago that they are not concerned by the financial crisis...
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:47:00 -
[1419]
Better start looking for buyers for that fish tank to make your payroll, I hear people don't like lending to Icelandic companies anymore.
dumping characters
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:48:00 -
[1420]
Edited by: gerbiless on 14/10/2008 10:49:02
This is amongst the most horrible lies i've heard in a long time... rofl..
Pure greed is the answer to why ccp stops the ghost training.. nothing else!
I think I will say as one of swedens more backboned persons..
SkSmmes ta me fan CCP! (Shame on you CCP )
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TwoShoes
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:48:00 -
[1421]
Originally by: Liranan
You guys need to stop accusing CCP of being greedy. CCP might have lost a lot of money when Icelandic banks collapsed, so they might have a hard time ahead of them.
It's not the greed aspect that gets me. It's the fact they are screwing over the casual players for no real reason. It does them no harm. To think that forcing those accounts to maintain an active sub will improve their revenue is sheer folly. More than likely rather than resubscribing when the skill ends, they will only resub when Eve becomes interesting to them again.
I'm sorry but Eve is not the only game out there for many of us who have been in the game some time we may be getting a bit bored and only want to dip in and out from time to time. With this change we have less of a reason to do so.
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Woofsie
Minmatar
White Wolves Syndicate
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:48:00 -
[1422]
If this had been implemented a year ago I never would have returned to the game.
Bad move CCP.
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This post is wholly representative of the views of both my corp and my alliance.
CCP Inconsistency
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Evil Edna
The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:51:00 -
[1423]
Originally by: Fenrill Nerkata
Edited by: Fenrill Nerkata on 14/10/2008 10:32:28
Quote:
Ghost Training was an unintended feature
Only one word : Liar.
For those who say proof of stfu, here is my proof :
1- hosted out of CCP server before CCP change it :
http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=proofxz3.jpg
2- Quoting original host on CCP's Tutorial :
Quote:
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). As a result, it is a good idea to train short skills while you are playing and longer ones when you log off. If you want to switch skills, you can simply do so by starting another skill training. The points gained on the previous skill will not be lost, but you don't benefit from the training until the level is fully completed. The highest level for any skill is Level 5, but some skills also have an advanced version. Some of those advanced skills influence the same area as the basic version, others only a related area.
Source
egg avec face
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Kaya Valda
Caldari
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:52:00 -
[1424]
I can understand CCPs reasons for doing this both from an economic and fairness point of view. However I can see an area where it will affect all players, and that is wehn legitimate accounts runs out.
The problem at the moment is that you get no prior warning that your account is about to expire, and usually the first I know about it is when I can't log in. Are CCP now saying that I will potentially lose hours of training because I don't keep a close enough eye on when all my accounts expire?
A change needs to be made to rectify this. Either reminders need to be sent out to let people know in advance that their accounts will expire, or a leeway of a couple of days where training is still allowed at the end of the account expiry (so same as now except a much reduced time where it continues).
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Medusa d'Mon
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:53:00 -
[1425]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: MissileBella
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Bye.
Noone will miss you
Thanks for not making lag!
Snowflakes.
You might not miss one, but when there's no snow to enjoy you'll give anything to catch one on your tongue again.
Even if a third of eve emoragequits, CCP wont feel a thing as all they need to do is cancel hardware upgrades needed to deal with all you whiners :)
but the whiners won't be playing and it's you who won't be getting the hardware upgrade benefits.
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Gaurina
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:55:00 -
[1426]
Maybe this is the ease way of fixing the lag in 0.0 fights?
Too hard to buy new hardware and upgrade the server software so they just get rid of the problem behind the lag: the players.
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Tu Saladin
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:56:00 -
[1427]
I read the first and last page on the other 'discussion' of this topic; *****, bith, *****. And it looks like it's shaping up the same way here.
People want something for, relatively, nothing, that's just human nature. CCP wants a Pay-To-Play system, that's the nature of a business.
What do I think? Play your characters. (I never really understood why CCP allowed skill advancement for disabled accounts)
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SnoopDizzle
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:58:00 -
[1428]
They should just say we want to do this because CCP want to make more money PERIOD
They took away the frikkin 90 day time code recentely also and charge pretty much the same for the 60 day meaning roughly a 25 percent price hike for a lot of players.
Do CCP refund us when we are not training a skill...........
There are other changes i have noticed in my time with this game . I honestly believe they support people buying isk with timecodes as it means they make more money. You will notice that any transfer or thing that can be done out of game without CCP making a profit from it is banned.
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UnDeRBaLaNcE
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:59:00 -
[1429]
Just want to point out; while ccp HQ is in Iceland, they are actually all over the world. Atlanta, GA (USA), Shanghai, China... I believe the servers are in the UK.
I would hardly think that they are affected by the Iceland market, because as most companies do they use all avenues for securing theyÆre assets. Most of the posters here including my self are not financial experts of the global economy, so it would be premature of us to state that they are purely effected. Although the timing is right, who is to say CCP has not banked overseas and have more sound money than in Iceland banks. IcelandÆs population is only 320,000 tops, and I donÆt know what other markets they are in other than fishing and after the US navy closing the base ( Free money to the local economy by military personnel;) I would see why it could be so hard for theyÆre economy at this time when the countries physical and population is so small. That it would be hard to survive. But back to the point, it sounds like all the young kids are posting with the amount of spelling and grammar errors, the freeloaders, sounds like the kids from runescape or whatever that game is called who want it free because they're moms wont pay the second or third account, as to us working folks seem to be ok as we already pay the extra alts.
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Friday Jinx
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Posted - 2008.10.14 10:59:00 -
[1430]
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?
If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.
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Mike C
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:01:00 -
[1431]
Edited by: Mike C on 14/10/2008 11:02:27
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.
EDIT: 2 days 8 hours until Minmatar Industrial 5 is done, then bye bye EVE.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:02:00 -
[1432]
Originally by: Mike C
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.
and you came back
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Total Disaster
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:02:00 -
[1433]
Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?
If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.
I ♥ you Jinx
and a quick reminder.
Nobody in here owns ANY eve character.. it's all property of CCP. They can and will do whatever they want
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Stormaar
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 -
[1434]
Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?
If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.
LOL!!! cant stay, sorry )))
i wanna pay for Expansion becouse i wanna very good, tested and balanced product. I dont wanna things maded in garage by 2-3 albanian emigrants.
-2 accs. fly safe
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Lakut
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 -
[1435]
Originally by: Mike C
Last time CCP threatened to add this, about a year ago, I stopped all my accounts. I will be doing that again.
Obligatory "Can I have your stuff?" question.
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Kryttos
Hard Corp
Carbide and Diamonds Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 -
[1436]
whining will do nothing you guys of course realize. There's that pesky EULA you agree to when you first run Eve, or after a patch.
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Retardat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 -
[1437]
Since this has caused a lot of debate we've decided to explain why we are making this change
thats not an explanation thats just you saying "I don 't care about u stupid players , We just want to take all your money" and this is the truth
i hope i don't get banned again for saying the truth
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NicotineBuzz
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 -
[1438]
Originally by: Total Disaster
Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?
If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.
I ♥ you Jinx
and a quick reminder.
Nobody in here owns ANY eve character.. it's all property of CCP. They can and will do whatever they want
Yeah erhm about the free expansion stuff.... well just so happen that most other MMO also do that...XD
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Shokal Nen
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:03:00 -
[1439]
Originally by: Friday Jinx
Are you people on drugs? How can you be whining about this change from the company that gives you FREE EXPANSIONS to an MMO?
If CCP feels they need to do this, then let them, you ungrateful babies.
Oh hey here's some more brilliant marketing ideas for you guys at CCP:
- paid expansions
- additional servers
- start selling game in stores
if you want money at least do it all the way!
i will not be reactivating my accounts now to train long skills on them once in a while like i used to - simply not worth it
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Neliel Oderschvank
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Posted - 2008.10.14 11:04:00 -
[1440]
Edited by: Neliel Oderschvank on 14/10/2008 11:05:02
as I stated on my previous post i think CCP should reconsider this change...
for people like me whos in the military and play this game, this is a very neat feature (in CCP's words an unintended bug) yeah right...
due to the fact that we cant play this game daily and chances are not even weekly.
would be nice to have this keep going, why? let me give u an example.
say.. i still got 10days left on my subscription and im now about to run BS V which would take like 25-35 days and inbetween im gonna be deployed or already deployed. taking advantage of the ghost training really pays of. i mean i wouldnt wanna pay for a game that im not playing due to the fact that im working. Sure i still want my character to grow, I dont think this is unfair to anybody as everyone has that option to do so and take advantage of.
their talking about alot of people misusing this feature/bug.
but to tell you the truth those people who are using it has either 2 or more accounts that are being paid for...
so again CCP should reconsider
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