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Hixxy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 16:59:00 -
[2131]
 Originally by: Elo69007
RIOT...RIOT
CCP Fails
heheh true. coax your customers not antagonise them, unless you got more money in the bank and don't give a stuff. even then it's not a good idea.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:00:00 -
[2132]
Originally by: Seth Ruin
How can you define such an arbitrary line between "intended features" and "unintended features" without some kind of metric? How is it so "clear" that some features are intended? What makes them "clearly intended?" Mind you, this is not a rhetorical question.
The difference between intended and unintended is intent.  For example: Stacking penalties are clearly intended. We know this because we heard explanation of what, how and why they would be implemented before it was done.
Originally by: Seth Ruin
As far as you "complain[ing] about (or applaud[ing]) the way things are," isn't that what we are doing here?
Some are. And some are discussing CCP's secret agenda, or whether documenting a bug makes it a feature, or whether this dev is a liar or that dev is uninformed or whether customer service really respects me as a person or if the account management page is really broken or was CCP standing on the grassy knoll that day in November 1963...
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Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:00:00 -
[2133]
/me tip-toes around the thread mopping up emo-rage-quitter drama tears.
This is going to be worth a fortune on the pirate market!
I could buy more GTCs with all that money! 
Frigate racing is fast and fun! |
Momoro
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:00:00 -
[2134]
Originally by: Gedhay
Originally by: Mora Makur
Why is skill training while you have an unpaid subscription "fair"?
Why is it "fair" that a paying subscriber and an unpaid account both can accumulate SP?
As a paying subscriber, I appreciate this greatly, and I am shocked that "ghost training" continued for as long as it did. Players will now have to get used to Level V skills that are actually difficult to get.
While its regretful that players are deciding to leave the game, this only makes those Level V skills even more valuable. Thanks, CCP for a great game.
how it's fair that an paid account and only one char is training? how it's fair that an paid subscribtion can be in the position that the only char that can "acumulate SP", is not training anything caus ur job doesn't let u log in to change the skill?
One character training is fair as long as that it applies to everyone. If you want more, it costs more. After Oct 15th, it will apply to everyone, and that is fair. Just train a longer skill while you are at work or when you know you'll be away. As the 'ghost trainers' have pointed out, there are plenty skills that take a while to train. Use EveMon to help you plan. |
Crewman Jenkins
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:02:00 -
[2135]
I just say, let the checkbook do the talking. If this move hurts them, they will probably recall it.
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BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:02:00 -
[2136]
Originally by: Mora Makur
Why is this so definitely a 'financial decision'? I find the balance issue perfectly reasonable. People were exploiting a 'feature' in order to obtain hard to get skills. I find it very odd, that people so easily dismiss the balancing issue, and so adamantly decree that this can only be a purely 'financial decision'.
Because some of us can see that meeting where some suit goes "Wait...they are getting something for free? *implode*" before our inner eye. And these are the days where meetings with suits happen.
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Skomorokh
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:03:00 -
[2137]
Edited by: Skomorokh on 14/10/2008 17:10:06
I don't like that closed access to the account page - I block access to my credit card.
P.S. The approach swinish.
P.P.S. Never training characters for selling but likely farewell CCP: - 3 accounts
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QuarlSWE
Minmatar
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:03:00 -
[2138]
*bump* where did this post go ?
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JcJet
Caldari
Paradise project
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:03:00 -
[2139]
If this all not about money, then why don't allow simultaneous skill trainining for characters on same account?
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supr3m3justic3
Caldari
Hakata Group
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:03:00 -
[2140]
This is bullshit.....i hope ccp goes bankrupt!
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Annaphera
Minmatar
Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:04:00 -
[2141]
Originally by: St Claus
Originally by: Larg Kellein
Hmmm, several sides to this, in my opinion:
1) You really can't in any degree of good faith expect to receive a service you aren't paying for. Score one for CCP.
Yeah, but it has been possible for >5 years, right from the start (right?). No active account -> no training would be ok if it had been like that right from the start. Removing feature like that now just shows that CCP really doesn't give a sh*t.
Removing rights from your customers and expecting them to like it? That's probaply the reason why they are now calling it a bug, becouse no one like bugs and it is ok to remove em.
"Rights"? What "rights"? I think this really covers the rationale behind a third of the complaints here (the others being "you mean I have to pay like everyone else?!?" and "that was a stinky way to do this!" or variations thereof), and is just not 'right'. As someone else pointed out, if CCP really didn't care, why would they bother offering people discounts? Power of 2, discounts for paying for more months at once, and so on? If they really didn't care, the first thing to go should have been the free expansions, tbh. I still expect that to happen at some point, but it won't be because they "don't care" when/if it finally does.
So look at your argument. You say it would have been okay if it had been like that from the start. By that rationale, they can remove 60% of the ships in game, and not a soul should complain...titans certainly weren't there "from the start". Also, the game wouldn't be half of what it is now, because many of the first features have been replaced by new and (arguably in some cases) improved versions, or scrapped all together as no longer workable. Features change in an MMO, any MMO. Get used to it, or stop playing MMO's.
As far as "rights" go, players have only one: to not pay for an account if they are not interested in doing so. The fact that game function and features can and will change at any time is explicit in the EULA and ToS. Trying to make out like you are entitled to ANYTHING is naive; trying to claim you are entitled to receive something for nothing is just hogwash.
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IsaidNO
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:05:00 -
[2142]
I had 3 Accounts - played 2 and skilled the tird, rotating them - so CCP got $ every month - sad but true - times have changed
First you set a timer to anchored containers (30days)
Second changed the GTC from 30 to 60 days
Third - stop training on inactive accounts
Fine - go on that way we will all love you for that
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Crewman Jenkins
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:05:00 -
[2143]
I love capitalism. 
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Seviere
Caldari
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:07:00 -
[2144]
Thread was deleted from information portal front page... can't even begin to draw conculsions of this action  |
Kekyana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:07:00 -
[2145]
-2 accounts. one was allways active, other trained, now there is really no point to keep up with eve, was one of the best parts of this game..
This is a huge and serious matter.
I can not get into my account to stop my sub's I can not cancel my renewl. CCP needs to get this fixed as one of my accounts is about to re-up and I have no desire too.
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Marius Duvall
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:07:00 -
[2146]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 14/10/2008 16:45:49
Comes home and finds the threads still going strong nearly 24 hours later ...
Originally by: (not relevant - same as many others)
I never payd irl money for eve, always isk, and i was able to keep 1 account active always, while 2 others were active 7-8months/year, rest of time on ghost training. The first account is the 1 i make isk on and the other 2 are pvp characters-the cahracters i have fun with. Now, with these changes, i can't keep even 2 accounts active and what's the point in keeping the money making 1 if i don't have fun on it?
Isn't this the exact reason why this needs doing? If I translate the first phrase to English ... "I never paid real money for Eve"
So why should you get something for nothing? CCP hf are a COMPANY who want to make money to pay their staff (the developers who make this game need occasional food and beer and a place to sleep other than at their desks!) and a business needs an INCOME. If you aren't giving them an income then what gives you any right to complain about them changing their mind on how their product works - which most of us PAY FOR and, indeed, a quite happy to do so as we enjoy PLAYING the game.
The way this reads is that your first character ("The first account is the 1 i make isk on") is actually just an ISK-FARMER and not a player at all! Really??
Pay to play. Do it right.
IZ
You cannot possibly be this stupid.
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Originally by: "Reticenti"
Oh, one note to Scius, you have made Goons and BoB agree on something. Good job.
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Kekyana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:08:00 -
[2147]
Why does this thread no longer show up?
Why is CCP getting rid of it? This is an OUTRAGE. not only did they LIE to us, they keep removing posts ABOUT the player's guide and now they are trying to HIDE this entire thread.
what the heck is going on over there?
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AntonioBanderas
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:08:00 -
[2148]
any answers from ccp?
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Potty
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:09:00 -
[2149]
Edited by: Potty on 14/10/2008 17:13:02
If itÆs to make money CCP have messed up.
IÆve being playing eve for 5 years and have had more breaks than I care to remember. And the reason why I came back... was it for changes? for updates? to see my eve mates again? Short and sharp answer is NO.
I came back because of the skill addiction CCP has built into eve. Missed time is missed SP's and that in eve is worth more than ISK.
So I resub'ed and may have got hooked and played for 4 months on the trot or played a month (coasted if at uni) and ghost trained but the point is i always came back and resubed because of the SP addiction.
Even though now the ability to Ghost is gone I still wont pay while I cant play. Yet when I can play again and semi- forgotten about eve there will be nothing to compel me to resub and log on again as there isnt the "skill will finish in 2 days" in the back of my mind.
Will I be compled to resub after the break.. Some how I doubt it. The question isnÆt will I leave eve now, but next time when I HAVE TO LEAVE because of commitments, will there be the little voice saying resub... your going to be missing out on SP's.
THAT is why I think this will lose CCP money
Potty
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HarrytheBarstool
Caldari
Ecky Thump Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:11:00 -
[2150]
Ok why was this thread unstuck'd and mysteriously moved to where it don't show ???
CCP you trying to backpeddle yet again ???
HarrytheBarstool is watching .....
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Todoshi
Caldari
Caldari Logistics and Supplies
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:11:00 -
[2151]
because they don't want anyone that hasn't seen this thread to see it
Ghost Training Removed Thread |
Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction
Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:12:00 -
[2152]
I was indifferent on this change, and still am, couldnt care less about ghost trainers. But WTF is this thread hidden for now? Lame.
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BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:12:00 -
[2153]
This thread is really hard to find now, I told some people with inactive accounts about this and now they think I'm making this up.
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CIA1
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2154]
Originally by: Crewman Jenkins
I love capitalism.
What a f***ng Fu** bag you are.
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Travieso
Minmatar
Princeps Corp
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2155]
if you change this, my 3 account canceled and leave eve.....................
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Krycka
Minmatar
Nightmare Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2156]
Originally by: Potty
If itÆs to make money CCP have messed up.
IÆve being playing eve for 5 years and have had more breaks than I care to remember. And the reason why I came back... was it for changes? for updates? to see my eve mates again? Short and sharp answer is NO.
I came back because of the skill addiction CCP has built into eve. Missed time is missed SP's and that in eve is worth more than ISK.
So I resub'ed and may have got hooked and played for 4 months on the trot or played a month (coasted if at uni) and ghost trained but the point is i always came back and resubed because of the SP addiction.
Now its gone I still wont pay while I cant play but there will be no need to log on again as there isnt the "skill will finish in 2 days" in the back of my mind.
Will I be completed to resub after the break.. Some how I doubt it. The question isnÆt will I leave eve now, but next time when I HAVE TO LEAVE because of commitments will there be the little voice saying resub... your going to be missing out on SP's.
THAT is why I think this will lose CCP money
Potty
This is exactly my feelings to.
Med ett shysst jSrnr÷r kan man sls hela vSrlden med hSpnad!
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AntonioBanderas
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2157]
Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 14/10/2008 17:14:01
EVERYONE PLEASE PUT A LINK OF THIS THREAD IN YOUR BIO.
EVERYONE.
TY
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2158]
Originally by: AntonioBanderas
any answers from ccp?
Nope! CCP has gone the entire day ignoring the player base!
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Why cover it up?
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Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2159]
Originally by: Kekyana
Why does this thread no longer show up?
Why is CCP getting rid of it? This is an OUTRAGE. not only did they LIE to us, they keep removing posts ABOUT the player's guide and now they are trying to HIDE this entire thread.
what the heck is going on over there?
Threads temporarily 'disappear' as they're being scrubbed/modded.
What is really funny is that I've read almost every page in this thread and really wonder why some of the posts were REMOVED (not moderated but outright REMOVED). I'm talking posts without any cursing, no name calling and nothing even remotely inflamatory/against the rules. This thread has been downright civil compared to what goes in C&P, CAoD and even the Market Discussion forum yet this thread has seen more moderation than those 3 forums combined in the past month..
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Seviere
Caldari
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:13:00 -
[2160]
Oh, I can't believe this.
No access to my account and now the thread is in stealth mode.
CCP common, is any of this racional? You guys are really on a kamikaze run here. |
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