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OliverD
Novaku Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:40:00 -
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For everyone thats going to cancel your account and I am not one of them please just contrack your stuff over to me please....
Thanks
OliverD |
Ridickulo
Minmatar
Tiger-Shrimp
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:40:00 -
[2222]
I can only say this:
EPIC FAILURE CSM!!!
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Soldur
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:40:00 -
[2223]
 Originally by: OliverD
For everyone thats going to cancel your account and I am not one of them please just contrack your stuff over to me please....
Thanks
OliverD
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Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:40:00 -
[2224]
Originally by: Annaphera
Where is your 'backing' that this is a bug? You brought up the fact that they changed the Chinese server to stop Ghost training awhile ago. If they knew how to fix the bug a year ago why did they leave it in?
Could it be, just possibly, maybe, because they were trying to be nice and not hurt people who were honestly just on vacation, or forgot to resub, or whatever? That they really never intended it, but wanted to leave it in as long as it wasn't getting systematically abused? Given the most common origin for farmers, I'm not surprised it got to that point on Serenity first. Now they say it has gotten there on Tranq. They most likely have logs that show them what skills are being trained by unsubbed accounts - if most of the growth in ghost training was on very high-end skills set just before the unsub, aren't they justified in assuming most are abusing? Could it be that *gasp* they might be telling us the truth??
Do you have proof that this was getting "systematically abused" any more now than in the last 5 years? I have no proof but I'd wager to give an estimate that any increase in the 'abuse' of this coincides with the removal of the 30 and 90d GTCs which caused a ridiculous price increase in GTCs.
The other thing that really bothers me about this is words like 'abusing' 'exploit' and 'cheating'. CCP intentionally coded the game to do it this way from the start. Do NOT tell me they couldn't simply execute some code at the same time the db updates "Account ACTIVE: Y" to "ACCOUNT ACTIVE: N" to pause training. Obviously they know how otherwise we would be able to log in if the account was inactive. We all know that it is possible to pause training in the middle of a train so that code is there too.
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voxen
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: voxen on 14/10/2008 17:44:51
Edited by: voxen on 14/10/2008 17:43:19
Originally by: Sean Mcarthur
got this reply when I made a petition that the managment page is down.
post it here as it is a mass reply, that way I save erveryone time trying to petition it.
"Hi,
This is a mass reply sent to our customers who are having troubles using our account management website. Currently we are working on a problem with the site and in regards to our billing partners. We will have the problem resolved shortly and we ask you to please try again later today. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and we assure you that your billing and personal details are absolutely safe and secure.
If this mass reply does not address your problem, then please update the petition and we will look into your problem as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Senior GM Zworm
EVE Online Customer Support Team "
So this is why the managment page don't work.
Hmm liquidity problems in dealing with billing partners? don't tell me...  |
Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:43:00 -
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they coded it, stated in guide that you can train with inactive account and now tell you that it is bug :D |
Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:44:00 -
[2227]
CCP crossed the streams! |
Annaphera
Minmatar
Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: St Claus
Originally by: Annaphera
"Rights"? What "rights"?
Probaply not right word, but removing features and thus making game more expensive != good thing. And you really cant expect your customers to like it.
Well, if you can make assumptions about intent, so can I - this was never intended as a way for you to save money on your account, it was unintended and left in to act as a consolation for people who go on vacation or something and miss resubbing. Whatever word you use, you are speaking of it as if you are entitled to it. You aren't, and CCP never promised you you would have it.
Originally by: St Claus
Originally by: Annaphera
As someone else pointed out, if CCP really didn't care, why would they bother offering people discounts? Power of 2, discounts for paying for more months at once, and so on?
You really think that CCP gives Power of 2 discounts becouse they like us, their customers?
Maybe not "liked", but "cared enough to want more of".
Originally by: St Claus
Originally by: Annaphera
So look at your argument. You say it would have been okay if it had been like that from the start. By that rationale, they can remove 60% of the ships in game, and not a soul should complain...titans certainly weren't there "from the start". Also, the game wouldn't be half of what it is now, because many of the first features have been replaced by new and (arguably in some cases) improved versions, or scrapped all together as no longer workable. Features change in an MMO, any MMO. Get used to it, or stop playing MMO's.
I know my english is bad, but i dont belive it's that bad. I didn't say that it would be ok if they had placed that feature 2 years ago and now removing it. Also, removing titans don't make this game more expensive, if you have multiple accounts.
But you were using duration the feature was in as justification for saying it can't be removed. How long it's been there, and since when, is absolutely meaningless. If you made the assumption that it would never change, that's your bad assumption, not CCP lying. |
Chib
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:44:00 -
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i have to agree with the majority of people in this thread
I have been playing this game 5 years now and this FEATURE intended or not is the only way i can have more than one account, with the prices of gtc's up through the roof the global economic crisis making all our money worth diddly crap you have finally priced me out of your game, added this to the decline in "giving a crap about your customers time" i am now looking for another game to play
congratz, was a good run but this is a step to far |
Son Korhal
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:45:00 -
[2230]
Pure stupidity.
Stopping ghost training when the My Account section isn't even working. Even if people want to reactive their accounts to start training they can't.
Idiots. It's like they don't actually want to give you a reason to resubscribe.
Delay it until My account is back at least, best to delay it another 5 years so not to **** off your customers. |
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CIA1
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:45:00 -
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I'm Sorry for all the devs, artist, programmers, management, and all other staff that may lose their jobs when C.C.P has to cut back on employees, because of this choice to change their own rules to stay afloat. I do realize That for C.C.P. to have come to this conclusion, It's very infrastructure must be under great stain. I will not speculate as to weather or not this may be the beginning of the end for C.C.P. , But I will say It's so for EVE. I hope That those at C.C.P. responsible for this decision realize Their mistake and move swiftly to right it. I for one would settle for Higher rates or some "else", but to change the very bones that call many to EVE is simply stupid. So in conclusion, I would like all that Find this decision a bad one, spread the word to your friends and corp mates to write, E-mail, and call C.C.P. and let them know, don't just do what we always do and just let it go by the way side. we as consumers do have voice and if they laugh at you then speak with your money. sadly yours, "ISIAM" |
Julius Rigel
House Rigel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:46:00 -
[2232]
Originally by: Son Korhal
Pure stupidity.
Stopping ghost training when the My Account section isn't even working. Even if people want to reactive their accounts to start training they can't.
Idiots. It's like they don't actually want to give you a reason to resubscribe.
Delay it until My account is back at least, best to delay it another 5 years so not to **** off your customers.
Uhm... nobody said it had been implemented yet... |
Azuraito
Caldari
Capital Produce
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:46:00 -
[2233]
I wonder if the same will happen to research points accumulation on suspended accounts? 
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Wygg
Minmatar
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:47:00 -
[2234]
Originally by: ISIAM
It's very infrastructure must be under great stain.
If you insist on spamming every third page of the forums at least use a spell check. Unless that's not a typo ...
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:47:00 -
[2235]
Edited by: Alz Shado on 14/10/2008 17:47:16
So they've stopped rewarding players who were too cheap to keep their accounts open while they continue to advance at the same rate of those of us who actually pay for the game?
I have ... let me count ... ZERO problems with this.
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Annaphera
Minmatar
Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:47:00 -
[2236]
Originally by: yarrmarr
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Erimisha
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: HarrytheBarstool
Ok why was this thread unstuck'd and mysteriously moved to where it don't show ???
CCP you trying to backpeddle yet again ???
HarrytheBarstool is watching .....
Perhaps because it is however many pages of emo-rage, "I'm quitting" posts, and accusations of lying with only laughable backing? Thus it accomplishes no real purpose but to confuse the issue for anyone trying to find out what's going on? Besides, most people aren't even reading it anymore just posting the same things to the last page, so it seems like one unending paranoid freak-out over a minor change, with a bit of justified annoyance at the short time frame and poor handling thrown in. Oh, and justified complaints that this change wasn't "complete", leaving out things like buy/sell orders and RP.
Where is your 'backing' that this is a bug? You brought up the fact that they changed the Chinese server to stop Ghost training awhile ago. If they knew how to fix the bug a year ago why did they leave it in?
Could it be, just possibly, maybe, because they were trying to be nice and not hurt people who were honestly just on vacation, or forgot to resub, or whatever? That they really never intended it, but wanted to leave it in as long as it wasn't getting systematically abused? Given the most common origin for farmers, I'm not surprised it got to that point on Serenity first. Now they say it has gotten there on Tranq. They most likely have logs that show them what skills are being trained by unsubbed accounts - if most of the growth in ghost training was on very high-end skills set just before the unsub, aren't they justified in assuming most are abusing? Could it be that *gasp* they might be telling us the truth??
Dude, wake up. a commercial company 'trying to be nice' will fail miserably. the company only has one goal; make profit and that's what they're doing here.
Thus the end of ghost training. So what is everyone so upset about?
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Annaphera
Minmatar
Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:48:00 -
[2237]
Originally by: Hixxy
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Seviere
Originally by: Erimisha
Originally by: Kekyana
Why does this thread no longer show up?
Why is CCP getting rid of it? This is an OUTRAGE. not only did they LIE to us, they keep removing posts ABOUT the player's guide and now they are trying to HIDE this entire thread.
what the heck is going on over there?
Threads temporarily 'disappear' as they're being scrubbed/modded.
What is really funny is that I've read almost every page in this thread and really wonder why some of the posts were REMOVED (not moderated but outright REMOVED). I'm talking posts without any cursing, no name calling and nothing even remotely inflamatory/against the rules. This thread has been downright civil compared to what goes in C&P, CAoD and even the Market Discussion forum yet this thread has seen more moderation than those 3 forums combined in the past month..
Probably want to cut the thread short a few pages... so it doesn't look so embarassing for them
In a few hours this thread will have 3 pages, all filled with posts supporting their move to eliminate ghost training.
Seriously...if that happens, I'm switching sides.
welcome to the dark side:P
Hasn't happened yet...this sucker is still 73 pages and growing, most of it anti-CCP flame.
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Soldur
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:48:00 -
[2238]
Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
they coded it, stated in guide that you can train with inactive account and now tell you that it is bug :D
ha ha yea i saw that already stupid ****ers
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:49:00 -
[2239]
Originally by: Wygg
Originally by: ISIAM
It's very infrastructure must be under great stain.
If you insist on spamming every third page of the forums at least use a spell check. Unless that's not a typo ...
IT wasn't.
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Chib
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:49:00 -
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also to quote the dude in the Blog
the reason there is a surge in training is because the global economy is shot to hell all our money is useless or getting there
this was one of eves MAIN selling points, no grinding
now you have very little going for you
roll on startrek online
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Hixxy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:50:00 -
[2241]
Originally by: Azuraito
I wonder if the same will happen to research points accumulation on suspended accounts?
kinda screwed since the lottery was hidden and as such a cherry pick.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:50:00 -
[2242]
Looks like CCP still hasn't learned better PR. It's not even such a big change, and when you think of it, it doesn't affect your gameplay that badly, but like usual, CCP's awefull PR turned it into a disaster, hard to think a better destruction ****tail. :)
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Shad0wsFury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:50:00 -
[2243]
Not that this will likely ever be read, but here goes:
I think CCP needs the cash. Iceland's economy is trashed, and they might need the immediate infusion of cash that hundreds of accounts reactivating within a few day period will bring them.
Regardless, even though I don't "ghost train" I think removing this FEATURE is garbage. I remember reading about it a long time ago, when I had some real life issues that were going to prevent me from playing, and it was listed as FEATURE that your account would continue training a skill for 30 or 60 days (forget how long exactly) after the account lapsed.
However, I do agree with CCP that the FEATURE was being abused by certain people. Given that not everyone abuses it, it would have been a much more appropriate move to deal with each "ghost trainer" individually, looking at account history and seeing who was abusing it and who wasn't. Abusers get the feature taken away, simple as that.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:51:00 -
[2244]
Can't say c-o-c-k-t-a-i-l here ... :)
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:52:00 -
[2245]
Originally by: Erimisha
CCP intentionally coded the game to do it this way from the start. Do NOT tell me they couldn't simply execute some code at the same time the db updates "Account ACTIVE: Y" to "ACCOUNT ACTIVE: N" to pause training.
There's a huge and important difference between "Didn't fix it right away" and "intentionally coded the game to do it this way from the start". Pretending they are the same thing is just lying.
Further, skills don't actually train in real time, it just appears that way. When you log in it calculates how many skill points you accumulated since your last log-in and adds that to the existing count. I imagine now the system will update your character file after the 3 day grace period has expired by finalizing the sp count and setting the skill in training to "none". (Which, I agree, they should probably have done when this oversight was first discovered. Sloppy.)
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Huberek Morchu
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:52:00 -
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I cant wait till all you guys quit and leave more game for me. Less competition is good!
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Azuraito
Caldari
Capital Produce
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Huberek Morchu
I cant wait till all you guys quit and leave more game for me. Less competition is good!
Signed 
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Hiding would be the way to go.
The mods ganked my Sig :( |
Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Son Korhal
Edited by: Son Korhal on 14/10/2008 17:52:30
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Test2
Lost for words on another epic ccp fail idea?
Edit: Ok wrangler likes to delete his own posts.
Makes me think the "test" posts are possibly Wrangler trying to fix this thread? Could be that it disappeared entirely by accident, and they're actually trying to fix it
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Why cover it up?
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Gedhay
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:54:00 -
[2249]
Originally by: Son Korhal
Edited by: Son Korhal on 14/10/2008 17:52:30
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Test2
Lost for words on another epic ccp fail idea?
Edit: Ok wrangler likes to delete his own posts.
and posts of others
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Brutor Tutor
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:54:00 -
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# players have 2+ alts and leave one unsubscribed while training battleship V or similar and have something new & exciting to come back to
# Players have military, family, travel commitments and have used this feature
# The fact that CCP Fallout effectively lied by saying it was game balance
# The æbugÆ was listed as a feature in the manual, and now it is an exploit after 5 Years?
# This does not affect game balance, but probably will CCP hfÆs bank balance, many are predicting negatively
# Very timely decision given the recent price hike in GTCs, the recent power of 2 offer, and the current state of IcelandÆs ecomomy
# Grand total of TWO DAYS notice does not seem fair to the loyal customer base
Iceland run on a different calender where 13th October is known as April 1st?.
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