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Echthalian Martian Productions	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:12:00 - [2281] Edited by: Echthalian on 14/10/2008 18:28:14 WOOW, I just read this... I quit eve! I'm not paying $ when I'm not playing the game, cause I want that XX skill to train(while taking a brake from the game), so I have an interest in the game again. Warhammer here I come.
St Claus	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:13:00 - [2282] Originally by: Annaphera Originally by: St Claus Originally by: Annaphera "Rights"? What "rights"? Probaply not right word, but removing features and thus making game more expensive != good thing. And you really cant expect your customers to like it. Well, if you can make assumptions about intent, so can I - this was never intended as a way for you to save money on your account, it was unintended and left in to act as a consolation for people who go on vacation or something and miss resubbing. Whatever word you use, you are speaking of it as if you are entitled to it. You aren't, and CCP never promised you you would have it. Sorry, missed the part in training guide where it said that i can only use that "bug"/feature if i am on vacation. Originally by: Annaphera Originally by: St Claus Originally by: Annaphera So look at your argument. You say it would have been okay if it had been like that from the start. By that rationale, they can remove 60% of the ships in game, and not a soul should complain...titans certainly weren't there "from the start". Also, the game wouldn't be half of what it is now, because many of the first features have been replaced by new and (arguably in some cases) improved versions, or scrapped all together as no longer workable. Features change in an MMO, any MMO. Get used to it, or stop playing MMO's. I know my english is bad, but i dont belive it's that bad. I didn't say that it would be ok if they had placed that feature 2 years ago and now removing it. Also, removing titans don't make this game more expensive, if you have multiple accounts. But you were using duration the feature was in as justification for saying it can't be removed. How long it's been there, and since when, is absolutely meaningless. If you made the assumption that it would never change, that's your bad assumption, not CCP lying. No i did not. I said that you can in good faith to expect to receive this service for free, becouse it is the way it used to be. And if changed, CCP cant expect us to be happy and believe "it was a bug"-BS. Didn't say that CCP is lying becouse they change something. I did say that the reason they gave us is a lie.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:13:00 - [2283] Originally by: Yeknom Nam Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Soldur u must be a ccp alt Clearly it's time for the Eve Tinfoil Hat Drinking Game. You lose credibility to your argument by vehemently denying it. Brilliant! So if you accuse me and I deny it, that convinces you. If you accuse me and I admit it, that convinces you. If you accuse me and I don't respond, that convinces you. Hell, you could have this conversation all by yourself! (But then somehow I suspect that you do a lot of that too.)
Simon DeTorqueville Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:13:00 - [2284] Originally by: Kaesarr Edited by: Kaesarr on 14/10/2008 17:57:00 http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/2/24/921/24921400_censured.jpg censored area.. The graphics spells censured, From Wikipedia, "Censure (pronounced /ˈsɛnʃəɹ/ is a process by which a formal reprimand is issued to an individual by an authoritative body. In a deliberative assembly, a motion to censure is used" which may be what you meant, but I would guess from the tail of your post you meant, "Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful or sensitive, as determined by a censor. The rationale for censorship is different for various types of data censored" Ether way, it is just Wrangler testing, not censorship.
Amarr Hyena	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:14:00 - [2285] hmm, the thread is gone when I wake up. between this and what seems to be CCP lying about the 'unintended feature' im considering if I should quit out of spite. as I said before I am indiffrent about this ghost training but I dont like the possibility of being screwed with here. perhaps the thread thing is just a error that came at a bad time, but im certainly thinking twice about all of you. ------- ghost training Threadnaught V. Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive.
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:15:00 - [2286] Originally by: Echthalian Warhammer here I come. Hahahaha, set a long skill. Or a short one.
Ahnrah	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:16:00 - [2287] Edited by: Ahnrah on 14/10/2008 18:17:56 This from CCP's Company Registration Report in the section that deals with potential risks for the company and it's shareholders (mostly CPP.hf staff I know, but still): Quote: Reputational risk Reputational risk is the risk that CCP will suffer loss of revenue due to negative publicity. Such negative publicity may result from operational decisions, or lack thereof, or from events arising within CCPÆs online virtual worlds. In this respect, it should be noted that the CompanyÆs main source of revenue is subscription fees, collected from a large number of private individuals. These individuals form a user community that is highly demanding and interactive. Damage to the CompanyÆs reputation may cause these individuals to terminate their subscriptions in large numbers. In this case, future earnings would be adversely affected. The move to abolish 'ghost training'is obviously unpopular. Perhaps a little dialogue with the people who pay your wages might not go amiss, rather than making such snap decisions and suffering a reputational backlash. In my view this would be a more progressive way to protect your margins. Given present Icelandic economic instability, snowflakes may turn into avalanches in less time than you have to react. Regards, Ahnrah
Baihuigau Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:17:00 - [2288] Man what can I say i havent used this feature much but its a definate plus knowing i can go away for a bit for whatever reason and have a long skill training,i have never complained ever about ccp but what makes me angry is the fact ccp says this is a bug not a feature what a load of fudge, and then to ninja fix the player guide to reflect their views pffft they remind me of the plunge protection team pumping up the stock market to blind everyone to the crash rofl, good thing my account is expiring in november this is just low.
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:17:00 - [2289] Originally by: Amarr Hyena hmm, the thread is gone when I wake up. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Yes, we're trying to fix it but we'll need to have web take a look at it. It's still accessible through the other sticky though. Stop with the conspiracy theories already >.< -- (CCP Inconsistency) Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money
Makkiel	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:17:00 - [2290] This is just another unintended feature
Spawn06	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:17:00 - [2291] Edited by: Spawn06 on 14/10/2008 18:22:46 Edited by: Spawn06 on 14/10/2008 18:19:12 I dont see why CCP feel the need to apologise for this......if you need the reasoning explained then perhaps you should ask your mothers... Most of you act shocked that CCP - a service provider - starts acting like one...if you dont have the money then put up with it and go play TF2 - why should you be able to sleep a char and not pay for the account while it trains an ubar skill. Then to complain when above mentioned service provider simply starts acting a bit more professional about how they manage thier accounts...hmm...yup we be spoilt here in eve
Annaphera Minmatar Super Green Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:18:00 - [2292] Originally by: yarrmarr Originally by: Annaphera Originally by: yarrmarr Dude, wake up. a commercial company 'trying to be nice' will fail miserably. the company only has one goal; make profit and that's what they're doing here. Thus the end of ghost training. So what is everyone so upset about? Are you really that simplistic? I'll give it one more try to explain it. You are conveniently assuming that ghost training was a nice feat, aren't you? Maybe you should try and see it as an essential way of making sure that people who would otherwise have stopped playing would have an incentive to return after 1-2-3 etc months. Why do you think it would have made it to the official player guide as a feature? I think it made it into the guide because that was how the game wound up working at the time, and perhaps they saw some advantage to leaving it there. Now that advantage is being overcome by a disadvantage, so away goes the unintended 'feature'. I think people are being overly simplistic in assuming that the ONLY (or even the MAIN) reason people return to Eve is because a skill will be finished. Like any MMO, many people seem to get burned out from time to time. I had that kind of relationship with UO, once upon a time, and with WoW. None of the other games have anything like ghost training, and yet people still return after a while. Why, do you suppose, if they don't get new toys as a reward for not paying their subs? Originally by: yarrmarr The fact that is apparently is being abused (where's the proof?) sucks, but labelling it as something that has been a bug since day 1 and thereby lieing to your customers while hoping to get away with it is simply the most stupid thing possible. Add to that a flavor of very bad timing and the appearance of 'hey guys, you'll loose something you've had for 5 years in about two days and uhm... sucks to be you' and the result is what you have here. Very bad PR and angry customers. Yeah, the timing sucks, but what would you have done with more advance notice? I'm betting some are angry that they didn't get enough warning to take advantage before it goes away. However, no matter when they did this, some would be **ed at the timing, because they just let one lapse, were just about to, just added an account, etc. Even if CCP had waited six months and then announced a month ahead, some would be upset because they got an account at the last Power of 2 and wanted to ghost. So...what were they supposed to do? I'm also wondering: why are you and others automatically assume they are lying about an upswing in ghost training? Originally by:** yarrmarr Note; I'm not even talking about whether it's a good or a bad thing to remove it as such, just trying to make you understand that your point of view is very simplistic. It's not gonna bring in any additional revenue so from a commercial perspective they are doing something really wrong. Nuff said. I don't think my view is simplistic at all...I just think I was trying to be concise.
Rouque Vanderbuilt Nuts and Bolts	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:18:00 - [2293] It looks like CCP doesnt like his own information blogs. ROFL. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Simon DeTorqueville Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:20:00 - [2294] Originally by: Kalintos Tyl you can have my wardec for all i have your stuff trolling So you, at least, are not leaving Eve because of this? Then I am not asking you for your stuff and thus, you are not my intended audience. On the other hand, if you are leaving, can I have your stuff too?
Alt Alt	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:22:00 - [2295] lol at this, conspiracy theory alert: so i think ccp secretly just bought stock in the makers of jumpgate evolution and warhammer. realizing their own game was on the slow road to nowhere, CCP enforces a rule which will surely drive much of their own consumer base to warhammer and jumpgate. everyone check out warhammer's subscription numbers tommorrow morning, I know that is where the 45$ a month i spent on eve is going soon.
Brigsby5987 Caldari 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:23:00 - [2296] if you dont pay, you dont play. period. No one cares if your poor, or your gonna take your alts and cancel your account. Either STFU or leave. Hopefully CCP understands that sometimes a general **** off attitude is good when dealing with the playerbase, as most of you complaining about them removing ghost training are being asshats about it. _______________________________________ Sig? where. There's no sig here.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:24:00 - [2297] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 14/10/2008 18:25:07 Originally by: Spawn06 Edited by: Spawn06 on 14/10/2008 18:19:12 I dont see why CCP feel the need to apologise for this......if you need the reasoning explained then perhaps you should ask your mothers... Because if they behave like *****s while doing this - and many do understand the real reason behind this, they lose even more money on account of customers being ed off. If they have the right to be **ed off or not is not doesn't matter, they still give their answer with their CC. It's called good PR, and CCP looks like is lacking it. Perhaps your mommy should explain you that. PS: Never used this 'feature', if you are wondering. --- I smack just for myself. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Miriel Amarinth Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:24:00 - [2298] Originally by: Erimisha What you're failing to understand that that people like him probably never would have gotten a second account in the first place if not for Ghost Training. In that situation CCP actually GAINED 6 months of subscription from him. You use the same logic as software companies when talking about how much they've lost to piracy. In that case they assume that everyone who pirated their software would have bought it. That is simply not true. So people like you and CCP think they "lost" 6 months of subscription due to 'ghost training' but in reality they got an additional 6 months of subs from him that they never would have gotten before. This. There's no way you can convince me that those people with 3+ accounts will permanently sub all of them to keep training. Some might, but I see the majority merging accounts, selling characters or letting their accounts lapse in the near future. In the end CCP will only lose out on revenue, not increase it.
Sailon	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:25:00 - [2299] Originally by: Brigsby5987 if you dont pay, you dont play. period. No one cares if your poor, or your gonna take your alts and cancel your account. Either STFU or leave. Hopefully CCP understands that sometimes a general **** off attitude is good when dealing with the playerbase, as most of you complaining about them removing ghost training are being asshats about it. How it is good you want lesser pvp targets to shoot oh wait your carebear name tells it all.
Spawn06	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:25:00 - [2300] Originally by: Alt Alt lol at this, conspiracy theory alert: so i think ccp secretly just bought stock in the makers of jumpgate evolution and warhammer. realizing their own game was on the slow road to nowhere, CCP enforces a rule which will surely drive much of their own consumer base to warhammer and jumpgate. everyone check out warhammer's subscription numbers tommorrow morning, I know that is where the 45$ a month i spent on eve is going soon. um...ciao...
Kaesarr	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:25:00 - [2301] Originally by: Kename Fin I joined EVE when they added a Mac client. It was one of the few modern MMO's with a Mac client [no comment about the quality of the client] and I was excited and thrilled. I mailed all my Mac using friends. I loved the EVE community and the fact that it seemed like CCP was interested in serving the game playing community in the process of selling and improving their game. I am sad. I've only used ghost training for a couple of times. Both times were when I had to be out of the game for personal reasons but didn't want to fall behind. It WAS a feature. I've since subbed with for a year, but if I can find a good Mac MMO out there, I'm not sure I would be willing to pass it up for EVE. I'm sad that the community has lost an advocate for their favorite game with the passing of CCP. The shadow has fallen and we are under it. I'm not an emo, a carebear or a pie rat, I'm just an EVE player who has lost her idealistic innocence about a game she loved.
Speedie Tappaja Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:25:00 - [2302] Great nerf. Couldnt be better timing. Thx for helping with the lag too!
Wrathraker Point of No Return	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:26:00 - [2303] This is in response to what was posted by CCP t0rfifrans here http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=592 Since beta and the days of Castor being able to train was touted by CCP as a feature and not a liability like it is now. This is what was said and quoted by CCP in the beginning that set your game apart from other games that were out there at the time. You said then, and I am looking through Google with a fine tooth comb to bust you on this, that this was a "FEATURE" and that it was something that was never going to be removed from the game. In addition to that, I also stress that this gives the veteran players a HUGE boost while the new players will not receive the same treatment. Also, if it was left in the game, IT WOULD STILL BE BALANCED! The ability to do this, and keep it in the game, keeps everyone on equal ground. By removing it, you change the very thing you are saying you are trying to fix. AND...for the long time players like myself, that have multiple accounts, we have always been doing this, and plan the way to play the game based on what CCP says will be coming in the FUTURE developments of the game. Without CCP saying what is coming in the future, the players can not plan. By taking this away from the players, you just make it harder for us to play the game, make our logistics take even longer, make the game more like WORK and overall ruin the player experience. This is total B*S* CCP and you know it! Think I am kidding? Look up my account info, see how many accounts I have, and see how many I have after you do this.
Ronin 0031	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:27:00 - [2304] Edited by: Ronin 0031 on 14/10/2008 22:23:42 Either way CCP... i see what is really going on here...... $$$ .... i run 3 accounts all active 75% of the year. now with this new "cash grab" of yours i will only have 1 account. Now you lose 66% of your income i was contributing. Go do the math and justify the loss in revenue. Good luck, with nerfs like this its only going down hill from here. BTW Amarr are broken!! Quoted from the Player guide Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
Soldur Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:27:00 - [2305] Originally by: Erimisha There's no way you can convince me that those people with 3+ accounts will permanently sub all of them to keep training. Some might, but I see the majority merging accounts, selling characters or letting their accounts lapse in the near future. In the end CCP will only lose out on revenue, not increase it. nice idea ill do that with my 3 industry chars the have all skills trained so ill just put them on one account.
Spawn06	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:28:00 - [2306] Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 14/10/2008 18:25:07 Originally by: Spawn06 Edited by: Spawn06 on 14/10/2008 18:19:12 I dont see why CCP feel the need to apologise for this......if you need the reasoning explained then perhaps you should ask your mothers... Because if they behave like *****s while doing this - and many do understand the real reason behind this, they lose even more money on account of customers being ed off. If they have the right to be **ed off or not is not doesn't matter, they still give their answer with their CC. It's called good PR, and CCP looks like is lacking it. Perhaps your mommy should explain you that. PS: Never used this 'feature', if you are wondering. first - your a lame attempt at paul atreides second - your attempt to flame is laughable at best. You fail to see the point - if you go to the shop and you ask them to lend you some milk, what they gonna say lil fella....and if you do it the way you seem to here...well you would prolly end up behind bars cause your a bit touched... pay your account = char training grow up peeps and just hurry up and go if your gonna...or i will go thru every thread and quote every time you have threatened the same lol!!!
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:28:00 - [2307] Year ago CCP said that this is CHINESE server "function" and will NEVER hit TQ. They lied!! LIEDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Jocho Caldari Warped Mining	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:29:00 - [2308] Edited by: Jocho on 14/10/2008 18:51:06 Quote: from the Dev Blog: Ghost Training was an unintended feature Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive The above quote was from the character training page http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp but lo-and-behold, CCP quickly edited that page. I think the fact that when the change was first announced it was because: "this practice upsets the balance of the game, and capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not." and yet in the dev blog nothing of the sort is mentioned. This is purely to do with the credit crunch. The timing is so convienent as well as CCP changing their story and blatantly lying about the true reason for the change. Ghost training gave an insentive for casual gamers to renew their subs. Without it they will go as well as many alts. Ghost training hurt no-one. What was the difference of doing BS 5 in Jita and logging on for an hour a day and ghosting it? Apart from a few subs difference, the feature kept many people who would have quit a long time ago. I just feel sorry for the CCP workers who are going to be layed off in the coming month because of this sh***y decision. As to all the people saying "pay of gtfo" it's your loss as well, less income means eve won't expand etc. Plus some of us have better things to be spending $200+ on. No one can honestly believe EvE is a game that is justified to charge that price, espcially since SP's are a time based levelling system, not a grind fest. Whereas with other MMORPGS you can pay the monthly sub then go all out grind crazy, you can't with Eve. Your told you will get roughly X amount of SP's for a price. Ghosting seemed to solve this issue by not making someone pay for waiting time. And not to mention, if ghosting is 'unfair' then how come I can buy a few time codes, sell the ingame and buy a 5 year old character? That's considerably more 'unfair'. Quit warping reality fanboys, you'd still play if they changed all the ships to pink elephants.
Shigsy Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:30:00 - [2309] Originally by: Kuolematon Year ago CCP said that this is CHINESE server "function" and will NEVER hit TQ. They lied!! LIEDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 omg yeah forgot about that. Someone dig up that thread now
Soldur Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.10.14 18:31:00 - [2310] Originally by: Shigsy Originally by: Kuolematon Year ago CCP said that this is CHINESE server "function" and will NEVER hit TQ. They lied!! LIEDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 omg yeah forgot about that. Someone dig up that thread now hurry before they find it first and delete it

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