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Todoshi Caldari Caldari Logistics and Supplies	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:54:00 - [2011] Originally by: Borg Zorg inviting all unsadisfied player to bring their mains and alts on lag fest to jita. manifastacion is good way of showing how unsadisfied you are.Bring remot reping moduls and remot reping dronse.2000 unhapy users and 10000 reping dronse looks like nice protest to me. Im on my way to jita. See u there See you in Jita
Cerfari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:54:00 - [2012] i dont see what all the fuss is about... it feels to me like everyone was trying to cheat to get their skills up. although, i am kinda ****ed that i did not read that i could train while not paying. I bet i would have saved myself a few $15 training them lvl 5 skills but seriously... it could be worse ~----\|+\|----~ Vanguard. KillBoard ~----\|+\|----~
LadyMaverick	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:55:00 - [2013] Originally by: Saladin I hate to sound like a fanboi, but here goes. I played a few MMOs before EvE, and if the account went inactive there was no garantee any of your characters or your stuff stayed in the db after a few weeks. It was only 3 years into EvE that I learned that skills train while offline. Limiting skill training to paying customers makes total sense and it was the way I assumed it worked. Then you should have read player guide more carefully in the first place... kthxbye
Emerald Cortess Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:55:00 - [2014] Short answer: This sucks! Long answer: This sucks, ...for me and should also for CCP. I just planned to set a longer skill since my Acc is running out in a few days and come back after a month or less and have a new toy. Now i won't have a reason to reactivate my acc anymore. Now it doesn't matter if i leave eve for just a month or half a year. Right now i'm not quiet sure if i'll buy another GTC or not. But this decision does not rely on this patch (this time!) Sarcastic answer: Great idea! But there is more to do: AFK-Training ... people just sitting cloaked in their falcons all day long and are 'skilling'. That's not fair! I would suggest a system where u get skillpoints by killing NPC-Rats and doing missions. Or even better and maybe more functional: Learning by doing! First, u have to buy the skill. Then u already can fit a module which needs that skill. But u can't just 'right-cklick-train-to', u actually have to use the module. So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special.
Wootang	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:56:00 - [2015] Originally by: CowsCANBark http://www.ccp.is/press/investors.asp Don't like this change? Place a call and complain to the board of directors: Vilhjßlmur ¦orsteinsson - Tel: +354 551 7102 (Iceland) Birgir Mßr Ragnarsson - Tel: +44 207 647 1543 (United Kingdom) David P. Fialkow - Tel: +1 617 234 7007 (USA) Sigur=ur +lafsson - Tel: +354 414 6000 (Iceland) Reynir Har=arson - Tel: +354 540 9100 (Iceland) Isaac Kato - Tel: +1 617 234 7007 (USA) Navigator if you don't want us to post personal information take it off your website, this is the same thing as saying, here send an email to us and we'll help you out. These guys are the ones who decide how your company runs so we have all the right to contact them about how us, the consumer, would like to see it work. totally agree! stop treating us, the customers, like this! its our right to complain and the contact information is online for everyone to find ion the web... its just like a quote from your own contact information! the fact that you delete it just shows that your afraid of getting phone calls
Hixxy	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:56:00 - [2016] Originally by: Solomon XI And yet you, CCP, removed the 30-day GTC's making it HARDER for people to stay in the game. This is idiotic at best. your conclusion may be wrong. getting rid of 30 day cards was beginging of this and i'm guessing they were proven right so this next step was implemented. it's a different business model bit like making 1p profit on 100 sales or 10p profit on 10 sales. same profit just less work.
xOm3gAx Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:56:00 - [2017] Edited by: xOm3gAx on 14/10/2008 15:57:56 dbl Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
Die Unknown Amarr Surge.	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:56:00 - [2018] It's hard to not think that this decision has been influenced by the recent world-wide economic problems. I would have thought that it's a bit daft to pull the rag under so many people's feet when so many are strugling to make the ends meet. This is a new low for ccp
BIind	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:57:00 - [2019] Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special. UO was like this.
Rancid Oswald	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:58:00 - [2020] Simply lol at the replies....
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:58:00 - [2021] Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 15:58:08 Originally by: BIind Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special. UO was like this. As was Dark Ages - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Mr Jollys Minmatar Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:58:00 - [2022] I think that this should not be changed due to the precident that has been in place for 5 years. This is a major change in the fuctionality of gameplay. Remember what Lucas Arts/SOE did to Star Wars Galaxies. They completely detroyed that game, and the servers are like ghost towns. Let all MMO devs and beancounters learn from SWG.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.10.14 15:59:00 - [2023] Originally by: Seth Ruin And you still failed to show anything in response to my challenge many pages back, so I'll post it again: Find me one other "bug" or "unintended feature" in the player's manual. I don't know of any off-hand (and have no intention of paging through the guide looking). But since the guide doesn't say anything about intent one way or the other on 99% of the game's mechanics, and since I can't read minds, how can we know what was intended and what was emergent? What I do know is that it makes no damn difference either way. Even if this was the only unintended feature documented in the guide then that just means that this was the only unintended feature documented in the guide, and so what? Now, if you could show that CCP was explicitly using this "feature" in advertising, while it would still not show intent, it would justify some of the annoyance at this decision. Originally by: Seth Ruin Or, better yet, so we're on the same level: What would you consider a list of "intended effects?" The features page? I wouldn't expect such a list, period, why would you? Why would CCP (or anyone) run through each and every aspect of the game and specify; "Meant to do that", "Just got lucky", and "Ooops"? The guide describes how things are regardless of how they ended up that way. Reading more into it is unwarranted. Quite simply: They say it was unintended and there is nothing which indicates that's untrue. Certainly there's nothing remotely resembling proof that it's untrue. Without proof, without evidence, all you have is your tinfoil hat/black helicopter nonsense being used to justify your annoyance at this decision by painting them as "liars".
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:00:00 - [2024] Originally by: Mr Jollys I think that this should not be changed due to the precident that has been in place for 5 years. This is a major change in the fuctionality of gameplay. Remember what Lucas Arts/SOE did to Star Wars Galaxies. They completely detroyed that game, and the servers are like ghost towns. Let all MMO devs and beancounters learn from SWG. that's being a bit dramatic ... It's not like they're replacing EVE's skill based system with a class based system like WoW. ;)
Zurtan Bayle Minmatar The Wings of Maak	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:00:00 - [2025] CCP, be honnest... your are planning to deploy the queue skill system, with the Certificats in support, but you can't find a technical way to stop only the next skill queued on an inactive account... right? ;) By the way, this decision still a big mistake IMO... -1 account for me...
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:00:00 - [2026] Edited by: Seth Ruin on 14/10/2008 16:00:19 Originally by: BIind Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special. UO was like this. Yeah... And UO is doing so well now compared to back then! http://mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/7.ViewChart?aLanguage=en-us&a5Years=Y Edit: clicky -- (CCP Inconsistency) Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money
ATARI BABY Lords Of Guile	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:01:00 - [2027] Originally by: Richard Aiel active subscription request: http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility It looks like over the year that the population is climbing not declining, but after this news we'll see it will climb anyway.. maybe some loss for these days but it will climb. LIE
Triksterism Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:01:00 - [2028] Originally by: Seth Ruin Edited by: Seth Ruin on 14/10/2008 16:00:19 Originally by: BIind Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special. UO was like this. Yeah... And UO is doing so well now compared to back then! http://mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/7.ViewChart?aLanguage=en-us&a5Years=Y Edit: clicky It's not doing too bad considering the graphics are ancient. Which is the reason most MMOs 'drop off' - Ghost Train & Snowflake
Lallante Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:02:00 - [2029] As much as I think this change is counterproductive from a revenue point of view, it does amuse me to see how many people are willing to convince THEMSELVES they have a legitimate gripe against ccps actions (eg "you said it was a feature 2 years ago" or whatever else) when the REAL and ONLY reason they are **ed off is because it disadvantages them..... Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku**
Shakra Mar	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:02:00 - [2030] Edited by: Shakra Mar on 14/10/2008 16:03:00 I really dont get all the whining "Waaa, I'm not going to get something for nothing anymore! I'm going to take my ball and go home." Get over it already. If you want to play and progress through a subscription based game then expect to pay the damn subscription; its not an unreasonable concept. If you cant deal with that go check out Progress Quest...
Seriya Caldari The Priory	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:03:00 - [2031] Congratulations on putting up a Dev Blog to explain in detail, as you should have done in the first place. However, I still hate you.
Borg Zorg	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:03:00 - [2032] Originally by: Todoshi Originally by: Borg Zorg inviting all unsadisfied player to bring their mains and alts on lag fest to jita. manifastacion is good way of showing how unsadisfied you are.Bring remot reping moduls and remot reping dronse.2000 unhapy users and 10000 reping dronse looks like nice protest to me. Im on my way to jita. See u there See you in Jita come to protest guys. Let see real power of players???
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:03:00 - [2033] Five and a Half years for something retrospectively described as a bug-fix. Only four to go until this implant does something then !
Seth Ruin Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:03:00 - [2034] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Seth Ruin And you still failed to show anything in response to my challenge many pages back, so I'll post it again: Find me one other "bug" or "unintended feature" in the player's manual. I don't know of any off-hand (and have no intention of paging through the guide looking). But since the guide doesn't say anything about intent one way or the other on 99% of the game's mechanics, and since I can't read minds, how can we know what was intended and what was emergent? What I do know is that it makes no damn difference either way. Even if this was the only unintended feature documented in the guide then that just means that this was the only unintended feature documented in the guide, and so what? Now, if you could show that CCP was explicitly using this "feature" in advertising, while it would still not show intent, it would justify some of the annoyance at this decision. Originally by: Seth Ruin Or, better yet, so we're on the same level: What would you consider a list of "intended effects?" The features page? I wouldn't expect such a list, period, why would you? Why would CCP (or anyone) run through each and every aspect of the game and specify; "Meant to do that", "Just got lucky", and "Ooops"? The guide describes how things are regardless of how they ended up that way. Reading more into it is unwarranted. Quite simply: They say it was unintended and there is nothing which indicates that's untrue. Certainly there's nothing remotely resembling proof that it's untrue. Without proof, without evidence, all you have is your tinfoil hat/black helicopter nonsense being used to justify your annoyance at this decision by painting them as "liars". So here you're going to tell me neither you nor your main will ever complain about any game change ever, correct? Because after all, nothing is really an "intended feature." I hope you're not one of the people complaining about the nano-nerf, either, because none of that was "intended" either. -- (CCP Inconsistency) Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money
rapidity	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:03:00 - [2035]
Callib Gor'Karrithe Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:04:00 - [2036] I honestly can't believe how many people are freaking out because they're no longer allowed a service that they were not even paying for in the first place. The other thing that seems to go over peoples' heads is that we've all been *****ing and moaning collectively for a while that there's no method for queueing up skills for training, so you can just run through... say (arbitrarily) six skills without having to select the next one as the current one finishes. As CCP has said time and time again, this would just increase the amount of skills someone can ghost train. But... oh, look at that. Ghost training is gone. Gee, would this not be a bit of foreshadowing to queued training? Seriously, guys... you need to calm down and get it into your heads that running this shit costs CCP money. If you want to play with the big fancy toy that costs money, then you must pay money. Otherwise you get what you pay for: nothing, and have little right to complain for it. Crying bloody murder about things like this just shows how immature so many of you mooks are, and how you either don't care to - or simply don't have the intelligence to - grasp the fact that EVE is a product owned and constantly upkept by a business. The business needs money, and ghost training is the equivalent of giving out freebies.
ISIAM	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:05:00 - [2037] I'm Sorry for all the devs, artist, programmers, management, and all other staff that may lose their jobs when C.C.P has to cut back on employees, because of this choice to change their own rules to stay afloat. I do realize That for C.C.P. to have come to this conclusion, It's very infrastructure must be under great stain. I will not speculate as to weather or not this may be the beginning of the end for C.C.P. , But I will say It's so for EVE. I hope That those at C.C.P. responsible for this decision realize Their mistake and move swiftly to right it. I for one would settle for Higher rates or some "else", but to change the very bones that call many to EVE is simply stupid. So in conclusion, I would like all that Find this decision a bad one, spread the word to your friends and corp mates to write, E-mail, and call C.C.P. and let them know, don't just do what we always do and just let it go by the way side. we as consumers do have voice and if they laugh at you then speak with your money. sadly yours, "ISIAM"
Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:05:00 - [2038] I quote from your blog: But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions The reason why this happened is pretty obvious. It coincides with the introduction of the 60 days card which is more expensive and has the added bonus of giving less game time, great. Call it the Butterfly effect if you want, you called it an "avalanche", I am not suprised by this surge. It is a bit heavy that 'normal' gameplay requires individual players to have multiple accounts and at the same time CCP punishes financially the people who do so. *** I used to renew my alt when ghost training was about to finish, that was my timer that said "renew now". I am curious if an "avalanche" of no-renews will hit you now.
Rancid Oswald	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:05:00 - [2039] Originally by: Borg Zorg Originally by: Todoshi Originally by: Borg Zorg inviting all unsadisfied player to bring their mains and alts on lag fest to jita. manifastacion is good way of showing how unsadisfied you are.Bring remot reping moduls and remot reping dronse.2000 unhapy users and 10000 reping dronse looks like nice protest to me. Im on my way to jita. See u there See you in Jita come to protest guys. Let see real power of players??? Why go to a system that has a cap? /me hides
Adam Slysphere	Posted - 2008.10.14 16:05:00 - [2040] Originally by: rapidity lol

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