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Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.19 10:53:00 - [151] Originally by: Speaker Dead Inactive accounts leaving Eve, OMG!!! The travesty..... Together with their mains ...
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:03:00 - [152] I would sure like to be a fly on the wall when the bobbit geeks check their lvl 5 mothership skill on reactivation and **** their pants Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:14:00 - [153] Originally by: SPQRMocton Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/10/2008 11:07:46 I would sure like to be a fly on the wall when the geeks check their lvl 5 mothership skill on reactivation and dump in their pants Also be sure to check out the forums for great deals on chars the natives are getting restless, the get something for nothing crowd is fleeing(thank god) Uh-uh, I'm sure those chars are from the "get something for nothing crowd" and not from the hardcore players with 5 accounts with 2 of them ghost training. eve.coldfront.net TQ graph - now again with the all time graph ... For all those who've been saying all year that the decline in 2008 is seasonal, schools are opening blah blah ... Watch this spot. Concurrent users will likely be down to 15-20k before CCP sees some light I'm afraid, I hope those marketing people who spent millions on advertising in the last 2 years rather than hiring programmers and buying hardware will be booted first.
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:17:00 - [154] Originally by: Ji Sama Thank you CCP for fixing this bug and reducing my lag! LOL. You should go to test server, there are no lags there... Or better find another game...a single player game ;) no Lags there...
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:19:00 - [155] Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/10/2008 11:20:04 Originally by: Alex Salas Originally by: Dmian Originally by: ISpam Getting something for free isnt what its about What? You don't make mistakes? A company can't change their minds about a mistake that probable is embarrasing for them? Pffff! Grow up. Let me preface what I am about to say with, "no ,you can't have my stuff." I starting playing EVE at the tail-end of the t20 incident. CCP's blatant disrespect for their customers is just horrid and I had enough. I am a disheartened customer, if a waiter at a restaurant were to spit in your face I doubt you would want to continue your business at least with that individual. When CCP got caught pants down over a barrel: slapping t20's wrist or "bug not feature" and to think the community would swallow their spin? It is insulting for any person's intelligence. In the end CCP lost my business and my 4 accounts were paid for 99.9% of the time. I utilized ghost training on accident before I realized a billing error. If you want "proof or stfu" please petition a GM and I will more than happy to confirm my 4 unsubscribed accounts. If you retort by saying go ahead leave EVE and it does not you four accounts, I say true 4 accounts is a small dent but hopefully I am the first snowflake in an avalanche. In the end my money will no longer support a horrid corporation, if their is any justice hopefully one or two years from now I will be reading with glee on how CCP is closing Tranquility and they can point the avalanche started with this fiasco! Now I am looking for EVE alternatives, any recommendations? from the sound of it nothing can make you like eve so no loss there Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:20:00 - [156] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: SPQRMocton Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/10/2008 11:07:46 I would sure like to be a fly on the wall when the geeks check their lvl 5 mothership skill on reactivation and dump in their pants Also be sure to check out the forums for great deals on chars the natives are getting restless, the get something for nothing crowd is fleeing(thank god) Uh-uh, I'm sure those chars are from the "get something for nothing crowd" and not from the hardcore players with 5 accounts with 2 of them ghost training. eve.coldfront.net TQ graph - now again with the all time graph ... For all those who've been saying all year that the decline in 2008 is seasonal, schools are opening blah blah ... Watch this spot. Concurrent users will likely be down to 15-20k before CCP sees some light I'm afraid, I hope those marketing people who spent millions on advertising in the last 2 years rather than hiring programmers and buying hardware will be booted first. Agree... But when this major decline happens this game will crush. I`m sure the loss of many players will be crucial for CCPs wallet.
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:36:00 - [157] there used to be only 2200 players on during my play hours when i started playing eve , and ccp was in ok shape money wise, I don't believe that ccp NEEDS 200 000 subscribers , and especially don't need 40000 s****suckers who want something for nothing , GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:55:00 - [158] Originally by: SPQRMocton there used to be only 2200 players on during my play hours when i started playing eve , and ccp was in ok shape money wise, I don't believe that ccp NEEDS 200 000 subscribers , and especially don't need 40000 s****suckers who want something for nothing , GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY Well go look at their yearly report then. Linkage See how many employees they have now, how they increased in just 1 year etc. ... You're kidding yourself if you think they could live from e.g. 2006 subscription numbers. They spent more than $31m (operating expenses + salaries) in 2007, probably a lot more in 2008. 1 year subscription = around $200 at most, that means they needed more than 150.000 subscribers throughout 2007 to sustain their expenses and probably a lot more in 2008. Oh btw., if they don't want scumsuckers who get something for nothing, they'd better remove T2 BPOs and datacores, they give some people a sustainable free income they can pay their GTCs with.
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:58:00 - [159] Edited by: Tanya Stritner on 19/10/2008 12:02:39 Originally by: SPQRMocton there used to be only 2200 players on during my play hours when i started playing eve , and ccp was in ok shape money wise, I don't believe that ccp NEEDS 200 000 subscribers , and especially don't need 40000 s***suckers who want something for nothing , GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY LOL. Please finish your school classes first, pal... 220015$ is some 33k $ a month. ;))) Are you joking? Yes for sure CCP needs only you ;) LOL. The total Expenses of CCP in 2007 are 32 million $. With some 300 employees worldwide.
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:59:00 - [160] Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/10/2008 12:00:56 doh your not to bright then I SAID during MY PLAY times , that was 1 to 5 am cst and yes that was the server count then http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility look at the link and see how many subscribers there were then, and then wake up Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:03:00 - [161] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: SPQRMocton there used to be only 2200 players on during my play hours when i started playing eve , and ccp was in ok shape money wise, I don't believe that ccp NEEDS 200 000 subscribers , and especially don't need 40000 s****suckers who want something for nothing , GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY Well go look at their yearly report then. Linkage See how many employees they have now, how they increased in just 1 year etc. ... You're kidding yourself if you think they could live from e.g. 2006 subscription numbers. They spent more than $31m (operating expenses + salaries) in 2007, probably a lot more in 2008. 1 year subscription = around $200 at most, that means they needed more than 150.000 subscribers throughout 2007 to sustain their expenses and probably a lot more in 2008. Oh btw., if they don't want scumsuckers who get something for nothing, they'd better remove T2 BPOs and datacores, they give some people a sustainable free income they can pay their GTCs with. try getting a job and using a card thats what I do,they have debit cards too, thats where you take your PAYCHECK deposit in the bank and then the bank sends them money from your account Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:06:00 - [162] Originally by: SPQRMocton Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/10/2008 12:00:56 doh your not to bright then I SAID during MY PLAY times , that was 1 to 5 am cst and yes that was the server count then http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility look at the link and see how many subscribers there were then, and then wake up Who cares about 4 year old information? CCP has changed dramatically. They have giant servers that cost, they have hundreds of employees now.
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:09:00 - [163] Originally by: SPQRMocton Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: SPQRMocton there used to be only 2200 players on during my play hours when i started playing eve , and ccp was in ok shape money wise, I don't believe that ccp NEEDS 200 000 subscribers , and especially don't need 40000 s****suckers who want something for nothing , GOOD RIDDANCE I SAY Well go look at their yearly report then. Linkage See how many employees they have now, how they increased in just 1 year etc. ... You're kidding yourself if you think they could live from e.g. 2006 subscription numbers. They spent more than $31m (operating expenses + salaries) in 2007, probably a lot more in 2008. 1 year subscription = around $200 at most, that means they needed more than 150.000 subscribers throughout 2007 to sustain their expenses and probably a lot more in 2008. Oh btw., if they don't want scumsuckers who get something for nothing, they'd better remove T2 BPOs and datacores, they give some people a sustainable free income they can pay their GTCs with. try getting a job and using a card thats what I do,they have debit cards too, thats where you take your PAYCHECK deposit in the bank and then the bank sends them money from your account Look at some of my older posts and you'll see that I have no troubles at all paying more than my subscription. You totally failed to address my post's content, grats - and I was even being optimistic, since it's entirely possible that CCP is out of (RL) ISK as well since they invested heavily in market securities according to their report (it's unclear whether they took a $30m loan for that purpose).
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:11:00 - [164] Edited by: Tanya Stritner on 19/10/2008 12:16:03 I bet nobody on this topic has any problems with payment. Including me with my 3 accounts. As a player i want more people in EVE. I want Jove Empire, lots of PVP and so. I want new ships, weapons and people to test them upon. If population on servers declines i get less fun, the prices are growing and there are less people to chat with. This is online game and the key feature is the number of player here. CCP making unpopular decisions ruins this game... and its not about Ghosts and GTCs and other stuffz.
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:15:00 - [165] well just like the rest of the world that got ripped of by the rich bastards it's time to lose a few pounds of flesh,or take it back from them Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:20:00 - [166] Edited by: Tanya Stritner on 19/10/2008 12:20:36 Originally by: SPQRMocton well just like the rest of the world that got ripped of by the rich bastards it's time to lose a few pounds of flesh,or take it back from them Starting to be a communist yeah? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk69e1Vcmvg Youtube Internationale
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.19 12:23:00 - [167] Originally by: SPQRMocton well just like the rest of the world that got ripped of by the rich bastards it's time to lose a few pounds of flesh,or take it back from them The rich bastards around the world will be saved using taxpayers' money in case you missed the news. It's poor people who will have to deal with higher prices and taxes everywhere. The truth is that in all but the smallest companies, the owners/management make enough profits in the first couple of (good) years that they won't be hurt much by the company going broke. It's the employees that get hit hard and they're not the "rich bastards".
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.10.19 15:19:00 - [168] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: SPQRMocton well just like the rest of the world that got ripped of by the rich bastards it's time to lose a few pounds of flesh,or take it back from them The rich bastards around the world will be saved using taxpayers' money in case you missed the news. It's poor people who will have to deal with higher prices and taxes everywhere. The truth is that in all but the smallest companies, the owners/management make enough profits in the first couple of (good) years that they won't be hurt much by the company going broke. It's the employees that get hit hard and they're not the "rich bastards". Communism: get's support from all the stupid people (ironically, just like religion) because these people believe that it will improve their lives without they having to put effort in it. Subscriptions lost are exaggarated. - I won't bother to discuss more about this. Just the people will keep playing even, even after a PR fiasco like this. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.19 18:23:00 - [169] Originally by: Tanya Stritner Edited by: Tanya Stritner on 18/10/2008 19:21:53 You may definitely see that the total reduction of players online is at least some 5000. Since there were up to 45k online several months ago. Lets say only a 30% of all accounts are online prime-time on sunday. Then by doing simple math we may see that a total of at least 15000 accounts were never renewed. Quite a frigtening shift am i right? no, you are not. ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Ji Sama Caldari Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.10.19 20:19:00 - [170] Thanks CCP good job on cleaning this bug.... Also thank you for making space feel more vast and empty.... And lastly dont forget to check out the link in my signature.. "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play
Ream Macrobutt	Posted - 2008.10.19 22:01:00 - [171] Originally by: Xailz people aren't just going to waste game time they have paid for and cancel before the time is upXailz I guess you don't understand what "cancel" means in Eve. "Cancel" means that when your present paid time is up, your sub will not autorenew. Nothing you can do will cancel the time you have already paid. And if you pay by GTC or cash-type method, you have no autorenew coming up so the Cancel option isn't even displayed. I "canceled" eight accounts yesterday. Two expired within minutes. A few more expire in coming days. The rest expire sometime in November. One more was on a GTC due to malfunction of CCP's credit card page, so I can't "cancel" it but it automatically expires when the GTC runs out. Of the nine I have two that are involved in corp and alliance management, so those will be reactivated quickly. The others, instead of all being active at the same time, will now be cycled, reducing the money going to CCP.
Ji Sama Caldari Department of Defence	Posted - 2008.10.19 22:03:00 - [172] One time when i was little i fell on my bicycle. Moreover THANK YOU CCP FOR STOPPING GHOST TRAINING... And lastly dont forget to check out the link in my signature.. "the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play
Ream Macrobutt	Posted - 2008.10.19 22:11:00 - [173] To those of you who think the unsub training is "free:" Wrong. The training step is bought and paid for at the moment you click to initiate the new training step. There is no ongoing training process. Eve sets a couple of fields in the char info, such as current skillbook and completion date/time. It's a CALENDAR DELAY before you can use the skill, not a gameplay process that has any necessary connection to logging in or even keeping the account active. The appearance of an ongoing training process is 100% illusion created entirely in the Eve client. If you don't log in or can't log in there is nothing happening on the servers with regard to training. It's just a static date/time after which you will be able to use the new skill level. The way unsub training was working was also the neatest, most efficient way to implement it. What they did now was to write additional code that has to run when the account is put into suspension, pulling up the char info and if there is a skill waiting for completion, pause it. This is extra work and overhead, although not very much.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy	Posted - 2008.10.19 22:12:00 - [174] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: SPQRMocton Edited by: SPQRMocton on 19/10/2008 11:07:46 I would sure like to be a fly on the wall when the geeks check their lvl 5 mothership skill on reactivation and dump in their pants Also be sure to check out the forums for great deals on chars the natives are getting restless, the get something for nothing crowd is fleeing(thank god) Uh-uh, I'm sure those chars are from the "get something for nothing crowd" and not from the hardcore players with 5 accounts with 2 of them ghost training. eve.coldfront.net TQ graph - now again with the all time graph ... For all those who've been saying all year that the decline in 2008 is seasonal, schools are opening blah blah ... Watch this spot. Concurrent users will likely be down to 15-20k before CCP sees some light I'm afraid, I hope those marketing people who spent millions on advertising in the last 2 years rather than hiring programmers and buying hardware will be booted first. how many times have you quit now? why won't it stick dag nabbit Applebabe ate my signature :( but the fish hat forgives! Nemotology is the EvE religion of choice!
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.19 22:24:00 - [175] Originally by: Tortun Nahme how many times have you quit now? why won't it stick dag nabbit The last time I quit was over the announced Carrier nerf AFAIR. I unsubbed and resubscribed when it was retracted. It's the fanboi trolls that made me come back every time. ;-) I can't promise that I'll stay away for real this time, but after November 18th you won't see me for some time, right now I'm playing Desktop Tower Defense more frequently than EVE (and that's an ancient Flash game).
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy	Posted - 2008.10.20 00:03:00 - [176] you should try the sequel, it might garuantee we don't have to see you again Applebabe ate my signature :( but the fish hat forgives! Nemotology is the EvE religion of choice!
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.20 00:17:00 - [177] Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 20/10/2008 00:17:29 Originally by: Lazuran I can't promise that I'll stay away for real this time, but after November 18th you won't see me for some time... Also, can I have your stuff? I'll even give it back if you come back _____________________ The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.21 12:15:00 - [178] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 20/10/2008 00:17:29 Originally by: Lazuran I can't promise that I'll stay away for real this time, but after November 18th you won't see me for some time... Also, can I have your stuff? I'll even give it back if you come back Want to have my several billions? LOL. Maybe you want my Ferrari and a Spaceshuttle also?
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.21 12:17:00 - [179] Originally by: Ream Macrobutt To those of you who think the unsub training is "free:" Wrong. The training step is bought and paid for at the moment you click to initiate the new training step. There is no ongoing training process. Eve sets a couple of fields in the char info, such as current skillbook and completion date/time. It's a CALENDAR DELAY before you can use the skill, not a gameplay process that has any necessary connection to logging in or even keeping the account active. The appearance of an ongoing training process is 100% illusion created entirely in the Eve client. If you don't log in or can't log in there is nothing happening on the servers with regard to training. It's just a static date/time after which you will be able to use the new skill level. The way unsub training was working was also the neatest, most efficient way to implement it. What they did now was to write additional code that has to run when the account is put into suspension, pulling up the char info and if there is a skill waiting for completion, pause it. This is extra work and overhead, although not very much. We all know its not free. But all those NOOBZ who "want to have our stuff" think otherwise ;)) Cause they`re Noobz
Tanya Stritner	Posted - 2008.10.21 12:19:00 - [180] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 20/10/2008 00:17:29 Originally by: Lazuran I can't promise that I'll stay away for real this time, but after November 18th you won't see me for some time... Also, can I have your stuff? I'll even give it back if you come back A NOOB cant have big money easy way. That is unfair towards those who are playing EVE every day and for whom money isnt that easy to get.

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