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Ackuula	Posted - 2008.10.20 12:37:00 - [31] yup
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.10.20 13:46:00 - [32] Very farmer-friendly, not necessarily fair. Cant say I want. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces
Che Biko Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2008.10.20 14:00:00 - [33] Quote: If character trading was removed, I can see them reconsidering, but not otherwise. It would also further inflate the number of capital pilots, something I think most agree is not needed. Then remove it. If I can train other characters, I wouldn't have to buy them. And I disagree about the capital pilots, along with some other non-capital pilots, I imagine. Quote: Firstly, no other MMO does allow parallel training as you have suggested It will also promote character farming, which I don't really agree with either No other MMO has a single shard universe either, are you suggesting they should change that? In other words, I always thought of 'most people do this' as lame argument. And what is character farming and ISK farming and how is this done, and how is this affected by the requested change? Saying character farming 10 times without the how and why isn't going to convince me. Quote: whats to stop me creating an industrial alt that can fly hulks jump freighters rorquals etc etc Why would I want to stop you? Quote: and all you gotta do once you've trained a character is transfer it to a new account and you've got a character that you basically haven't paid for What? We are not talking about ghost training here. Quote: 1. allow 3 characters to be trained on a single account at normal speed 2. allow 1 character to be trained at 3 times the speed . I could live with this. I not sure why, but I'm getting this: "The bottom line is money, nobody gives a ****!"vibe. I mean, it is possible to train 2 or more characters and have all the benifits of 'isk/character farming' and being able to do 'everything'. You only have to pay for it. So only poor people who only have one account are not able to have these 'benifits', which kind of goes against one of CCP's concepts of equality regardless of real world wealth. Like it isn't enough that people who pay more(have more accounts) have more votes for the CSM. (democracy?)
Dirk Culliford H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.20 22:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Dirk Culliford on 20/10/2008 22:57:02 Originally by: Che Biko Quote: Quote: Firstly, no other MMO does allow parallel training as you have suggested It will also promote character farming, which I don't really agree with either No other MMO has a single shard universe either, are you suggesting they should change that? In other words, I always thought of 'most people do this' as lame argument. And what is character farming and ISK farming and how is this done, and how is this affected by the requested change? Saying character farming 10 times without the how and why isn't going to convince me. You're right, using a 'most people' do this argument is lame, notice how the OP is using it I was merely pointing out that the OP is wrong in his statement. Character farming is paying to train a character up and then selling them on for isk, one of the accepted methods for trading RL money(in terms of the time taken to train) for isk. Having multiple training on accounts would allow everybody to theoretically farm 2 of these characters for free. And of course, as pointed out, absolutely everybody and their dog would be able to train an industrial alt, mining alt, cloaking alt, invention alt etc. Whatever happened to the 'multiplayer' element of MMO's? EDIT: cos i fail at quoting
Camdim Caldari The first genesis INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.10.20 23:46:00 - [35] Well I can see both sides of the argument here. And I think I have a more palatable solution. Have one character flagged as main. That character trains as normal. Alt1 and no Alt 2 would train at half speed. Alt1 and Alt 2 would train at 25% speed. This keeps characters down in skill points rather then boosting as the other person suggested. Which should make CCP happier. It will still keep the alts under control and should stop character farmers from going to nuts.
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Technologies	Posted - 2008.10.21 01:07:00 - [36] No. I don't see it bringing anything good to EVE.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.10.21 01:15:00 - [37] Quote: Why would I want to stop you? Because it would ruin specialization in EVE. Why bother getting a friend/corpmate with specialized skills to do something when you can have an alt to do anything you want? Quote: 1. allow 3 characters to be trained on a single account at normal speed 2. allow 1 character to be trained at 3 times the speed . Agreed with one amendment Allow 3 characters to be trained on a single account at 1/3 speed Allow 1 character to be trained at normal speed. Training does NOT need to be sped up. Originally by: Catharacta My CNR runs on salvager tears.
Aiden Bismuth Gallente Die Boeremag	Posted - 2008.10.21 11:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Agreed with one amendment Allow 3 characters to be trained on a single account at 1/3 speed Allow 1 character to be trained at normal speed. Training does NOT need to be sped up. I am inclined not to support this idea, due to the whole character-farming thing. But, if they would then implement something like Kahega mentioned, then maybe. I created a second character, but then sent her to the biomass queue, as the training time would have interfered with this one's training. And, as he wants to be a fully-fledged Mining Director flying Hulks, I couldn't let anything interfere with that! AB
Ivena Amethyst	Posted - 2008.10.21 11:50:00 - [39] Edited by: Ivena Amethyst on 21/10/2008 11:49:58 this should be implemented with some kind of training speed penalty when training multiple chars in same acc
AlphaViscera	Posted - 2008.10.21 12:18:00 - [40] brilliant
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2008.10.21 12:52:00 - [41] All MMOs operate on a time=money=power system. The longer you keep your account, the more you've paid for it, and the more powerful it becomes. Other MMOs require that you actually play your character to power it up (XP grind). So, it isn't possible to "train" multiple characters simultaneously in those games either, unless they are on seperate accounts. CCP would be taking money out of their own pocket by allowing this, unless they allowed you to train all three, but have them train at 1/3 the rate at which they train today. Changing it to be 3X the current rate would be a slap in the face to those who have paid 5 years of sub fees to skill their character up to where it is now. What you could do is have a tiered system of accounts, like: Train 1 character: 14.95 a month Train 2 characters: 27.00 a month Train 3 characters: 40.00 a month It basically gives you a discount over what having 3 accounts would cost, which makes sense, becuase if you had 3 accounts you could play them at the same time. Sorry guys, but game time is what CCP has to sell, and becoming more powerful over time is one of the primary ways that they keep you interested in buying it. You aren't going to get them to massively devalue their own product. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
SZ Rota Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.10.21 14:34:00 - [42] .../signed
Che Biko Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2008.10.21 14:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Dirk Culliford Character farming is paying to train a character up and then selling them on for isk Character farming is 'playing the game' then selling your character? So everybody is a potential char farmer, and everybody who sold a char is a char farmer? My solution is simple: to stop char farming, stop char trade. Hell, if I could train 2 chars, I wouldn't need to buy one. Originally by: Dirk Culliford Having multiple training on accounts would allow everybody to theoretically farm 2 of these characters for free. And of course, as pointed out, absolutely everybody and their dog would be able to train an industrial alt, mining alt, cloaking alt, invention alt etc. Interesting, I thought farming included paying to train a char up(that's what you tell me anyway), so if it's free it shouldn't be farming. Seriously, EVE has more than 3 specialties. You mention only 4 and imply there are more by using 'etc.' But I still have only 3 slots. EVE may be an MMO, but CCP does not want to obligate everyone to multiplay, nor does it obligate everyone to roleplay. MMO means you can interact, not that you are obligated to. Does nobody care that char farming is possible as long as you pay CCP for it? Basicly people are kind of saying: "char farming/alts should not be available to poor people who only pay 15 euro's/month" CCP democracy(TM)kind of thing. But maybe I missed the point of these extra char slots. Perhaps they are for storing old chars you get tired off, not building new ones.
SZ Rota Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.10.21 15:08:00 - [44] From beta to release, CCP removed skilling on 3 characters to 1 in order to draw out the advancement process over a LONG period of time in order to milk players of subscriptions over a LONG period of time, and also to force serious players into paying more than one subscription in order to reach the same baseline service enjoyed in other games. Players think that skill advancement while offline is somehow a feature made for their convenience. ItÆs not. Same as the above, this was done to make advancement take a LONG time so youÆd pay CCP more money. If skilling happens by a clock, not by your effort, then it doesnÆt matter if three players take 8 hours shifts to play a character 24 hours a day, that character is still going to take FOREVER to skill up, same as the account manned by a casual player who only logs 10 minutes a month to change skills. What if people didnÆt pay for multiple accounts and spend years skilling up in order to reach some kind of plateau in personal advancement? Well, then CCP might actually have to make some content for their game, rather than just a sandbox, and thatÆs NEVER going to happen. CCP likes stringing you out for years on multiple subscriptions while giving you æfreeÆ æexpansionsÆ that are only 39mb big, and a game thatÆs only 3 gigs on the hard drive after over half a decade. ThatÆs just too little work for too much money for them to change anything.
h zebra	Posted - 2008.10.21 21:38:00 - [45]
Papote	Posted - 2008.10.22 00:45:00 - [46] What if people didnÆt pay for multiple accounts and spend years skilling up in order to reach some kind of plateau in personal advancement? Well, then CCP might actually have to make some content for their game, rather than just a sandbox, and thatÆs NEVER going to happen. CCP likes stringing you out for years on multiple subscriptions while giving you æfreeÆ æexpansionsÆ that are only 39mb big, and a game thatÆs only 3 gigs on the hard drive after over half a decade. ThatÆs just too little work for too much money for them to change anything. CAN YOU SAY IT ANY BETTER?
FOEHAMMER006 Damage Unlimited Inc INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.10.22 08:57:00 - [47] As cool as it would be to train out my main and a alt miner nub, it won't work. And frankly, I'd rather not have this game turn out and be a huge chinese farmer market :p.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.10.22 10:21:00 - [48] To stay inline with other mmo's where you play only one character at the time, I'd introduce diminishing returns to this suggestion. One character would train at full speed, two characters each train at halved speed and three character each at one third the speed. Other than that this has my full support. Diary of a pod pilot
Lisa Waen	Posted - 2008.10.22 18:22:00 - [49] I also support the idea with a diminishing returns caveat. However, I would like to see it set up as a pool system with a percentage of skill points being able to be set by players on all 3 characters based on player preference. If you choose to spend 100% of your skill points on one character and nothing for your alts, fine. If you want to split your training 33/33/33 or 60/40/0 or any other combination that equals out to 100% thats good too. What I do NOT support is an increase to the overall pool of skill points.
Ambulation 2008	Posted - 2008.10.23 15:45:00 - [50]
ArymAramanska Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.10.23 16:39:00 - [51] Originally by: SZ Rota CCP likes stringing you out for years on multiple subscriptions while giving you æfreeÆ æexpansionsÆ that are only 39mb big, and a game thatÆs only 3 gigs on the hard drive after over half a decade. ThatÆs just too little work for too much money for them to change anything. And premium graphics is forgotten so quickly... Thank you CCP for Premium rather then EVE2
Erik Finnegan Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2008.10.24 16:26:00 - [52] The basic argument is always the same: because there are three slots, CCP must enable simultaneous training. What will be next: simultaneous training for jump clones - just because they are there?! I am not even sure whether there are valid pro and con arguments at all in this discussion. The game is such by design. Think about it this way: you put your soul into a character slot. Hence, only one is active. The other one is in stasis. Maybe the word game is wrong in this context to start with. This is virtual reality! Multi-payers get multi accounts? Ok, true. Advantage/disadvantage of the char market? Now, if you want to play this game, then play it from the beginning. Bringing the char market into a discussion which is supposed to be taken serious is a ... adversarial move. Who wants to buy a char anyway?!
Dmian Gallenterrorisme	Posted - 2008.10.24 16:56:00 - [53] Edited by: Dmian on 24/10/2008 16:56:47 Partially agree. I would be happy to pay a little more to train at least one of the 2 remaining characters at half speed. Or with something like: Ç14.95 train 1st character at full speed. Ç22.45 train 1st character at full speed and a second at 1/2 speed. Ç29.90 train 1st character at full speed and the other 2 at half speed. ---- Eve Alpha - The font of Eve - Get it here

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