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Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:51:00 - [151] Edited by: Kayosoni on 20/10/2008 18:51:22 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III Yes, that's why all sniper fleets are composed solely of Cruise Ravens, aren't they? They will be pal this is about balancing not turning cruise ravens into a pwn all killing machine. This speed nerf has made it way over balanced compared to every other sniper BS fit by a infinate ammount. Its quite simple, ravens can hit anything at any range other BS cannot hit at all...balance incoming. This is simply untrue. Long range sniping battleships can hit anything cruiser sized and up at extreme range pretty easilly. I love ignoring target calling and killing falcons/etc in my tempest. As long as you're not an idiot, and can match the other ships alignment, your transversal will be greatly reduced, and you can hit nearly every shot. -----------------------------------
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:51:00 - [152] Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III Yes, that's why all sniper fleets are composed solely of Cruise Ravens, aren't they? They will be pal this is about balancing not turning cruise ravens into a pwn all killing machine. This speed nerf has made it way over balanced compared to every other sniper BS fit by a infinate ammount. Its quite simple, ravens can hit anything at any range other BS cannot hit at all...balance incoming. This is simply untrue. Long range sniping battleships can hit anything cruiser sized and up at extreme range pretty easilly. I love ignoring target calling and killing falcons/etc in my tempest. You too? (hope FC doesnt find this post tbh ;p)
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:54:00 - [153] Originally by: Deva Blackfire You too? (hope FC doesnt find this post tbh ;p) This is why game is getting dumbed down so much... the majority of people are always too stupid to Figure out how to get around the base mechanics of everything ,such as waht my previous post lists. Normally, yes, a battleship won't be able to hit a cruiser at 180km if you are aligned perpendicular to it, but if you align parellel, you can hit almost any ship class just fine. -----------------------------------
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:55:00 - [154] Originally by: Kayosoni Edited by: Kayosoni on 20/10/2008 18:51:22 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III Yes, that's why all sniper fleets are composed solely of Cruise Ravens, aren't they? They will be pal this is about balancing not turning cruise ravens into a pwn all killing machine. This speed nerf has made it way over balanced compared to every other sniper BS fit by a infinite amount. Its quite simple, ravens can hit anything at any range other BS cannot hit at all...balance incoming. This is simply untrue. Long range sniping battleships can hit anything cruiser sized and up at extreme range pretty easilly. I love ignoring target calling and killing falcons/etc in my tempest. As long as you're not an idiot, and can match the other ships alignment, your transversal will be greatly reduced, and you can hit nearly every shot. Long range sniping ravens can hit ANYTHING inside the games max range even interceptors doing 5kms as well as fit a tank or ewar. No other long range BS can even get close at any range and not fit tanking or ewar modules as well.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.10.20 18:57:00 - [155] Edited by: Gypsio III on 20/10/2008 19:00:23 And in return the Cruise Raven can't actually "snipe". Hence the absence of Raven "sniper" gangs, now or in any future. Incredible... different but balanced. Well, once interceptor survivability is tweaked a bit, anyway. Lecrotta, I've seen your name next to a whole load of nano-whine posts. I suspect that you don't really understand the game mechanics of Cruise and wouldn't recognise balance if you found yourself sitting on it with "20 stone" displayed...
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:00:00 - [156] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 18:57:33 Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III Yes, that's why all sniper fleets are composed solely of Cruise Ravens, aren't they? They will be pal this is about balancing not turning cruise ravens into a pwn all killing machine. This speed nerf has made it way over balanced compared to every other sniper BS fit by a infinite amount. Its quite simple, ravens can hit anything at any range other BS cannot hit at all...balance incoming. This is simply untrue. Long range sniping battleships can hit anything cruiser sized and up at extreme range pretty easilly. I love ignoring target calling and killing falcons/etc in my tempest. As long as you're not an idiot, and can match the other ships alignment, your transversal will be greatly reduced, and you can hit nearly every shot. Who mentioned cruisers in talking about frigs and destroyers?. Long range sniping ravens can hit ANYTHING inside the games max range even interceptors doing 5kms as well as fit a tank or ewar. No other long range BS can even get close at any range and they cannot fit tanking or ewar modules as well. Just a little overpowered bud... right now ravens with cruise hit inters/dictors going 5km/s for about 0.2 damage a missile. Also, what EWAR can they fit and use well? -----------------------------------
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:01:00 - [157] Originally by: Gypsio III And in return the Cruise Raven can't actually "snipe". Hence the absence of Raven "sniper" gangs, now or in any future. Incredible... different but balanced. It makes a awesome sniper ask burn eden, in fact even if a ship burns into a pos the previously fired missiles follow and still hit, i loved watching pos huggers think they were safe as our target lock was broken just to see them pop as the missiles in flight still all hit him. Cruise ravens are way overpowered and will be nerfed to the level of other sniper fits.
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:03:00 - [158] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III And in return the Cruise Raven can't actually "snipe". Hence the absence of Raven "sniper" gangs, now or in any future. Incredible... different but balanced. It makes a awesome sniper ask burn eden, in fact even if a ship burns into a pos the previously fired missiles follow and still hit, i loved watching pos huggers think they were safe as our target lock was broken just to see them pop as the missiles in flight still all hit him. Cruise ravens are way overpowered and will be nerfed to the level of other sniper fits. WHAT are you talking about? if I'm a falcon or whatever and I see a raven 200km away shooting cruise missiles my way, Im going towarp out, because I have 27 seconds to notice it, and 3 seconds to warp out. If a tempest or apoc locks and 1 volleys me, LOL WUT? -----------------------------------
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:03:00 - [159] Originally by: Kayosoni right now ravens with cruise hit inters/dictors going 5km/s for about 0.2 damage a missile. Also, what EWAR can they fit and use well? On TQ maybe but on sisi they hit for a bucket ton more than that pal, oh and damps fit very nice on ravens tyvm, lol you could even fill a few mids with TP's increasing hits even more.
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:05:00 - [160] Edited by: Kayosoni on 20/10/2008 19:06:42 Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Kayosoni right now ravens with cruise hit inters/dictors going 5km/s for about 0.2 damage a missile. Also, what EWAR can they fit and use well? On TQ maybe but on sisi they hit for a bucket ton more than that pal, oh and damps fit very nice on ravens tyvm, lol you could even fill a few mids with TP's increasing hits even more. Damps and TPs have very limited range, normal fleet fight range is at the very edge of their falloff. and being fast should not gaurentee invincibility, isn't that the whole point of this change? missiles can "hit" ships when turrets can't for a few reasons: caldari ships are the slowest ships in the game, so they can't get into web range of a ship if he doesn't want them to. Also, limited midslots for modules like that. -----------------------------------

lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:05:00 - [161] Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:06:10 Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III And in return the Cruise Raven can't actually "snipe". Hence the absence of Raven "sniper" gangs, now or in any future. Incredible... different but balanced. It makes a awesome sniper ask burn eden, in fact even if a ship burns into a pos the previously fired missiles follow and still hit, i loved watching pos huggers think they were safe as our target lock was broken just to see them pop as the missiles in flight still all hit him. Cruise ravens are way overpowered and will be nerfed to the level of other sniper fits. WHAT are you talking about? if I'm a falcon or whatever and I see a raven 200km away shooting cruise missiles my way, Im going toward out, because I have 27 seconds to notice it, and 3 seconds to warp out. If a tempest or apoc locks and 1 volleys me, LOL WUT? Still going on about cruisers are you?, any sniper can hit them your right, try hitting a frig with your tempest pal cos ravens can easily.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:07:00 - [162] Yeah yeah, BE Cruise Ravens, fairly straightforward tactics etc. But the Cruise Raven is not a sniper and cannot be directly compared to turret BS. I'm surprised that you don't understand this. Snipers = instant damage. Therefore, Cruise Raven is not a sniper. The cruise Raven is a decent, if rather niche, long-range antisupport ship, and this position needs to be maintained or Cruise becomes a useless weapon system. It really is that simple.
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:08:00 - [163] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:06:10 Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Gypsio III And in return the Cruise Raven can't actually "snipe". Hence the absence of Raven "sniper" gangs, now or in any future. Incredible... different but balanced. It makes a awesome sniper ask burn eden, in fact even if a ship burns into a pos the previously fired missiles follow and still hit, i loved watching pos huggers think they were safe as our target lock was broken just to see them pop as the missiles in flight still all hit him. Cruise ravens are way overpowered and will be nerfed to the level of other sniper fits. WHAT are you talking about? if I'm a falcon or whatever and I see a raven 200km away shooting cruise missiles my way, Im going toward out, because I have 27 seconds to notice it, and 3 seconds to warp out. If a tempest or apoc locks and 1 volleys me, LOL WUT? Still going on about cruisers are you?, any sniper can hit them your right, try hitting a frig with your tempest pal cos ravens can easily. What you are suggesting the the complete inability of anything to be able to kill frigates. -----------------------------------
Shard Merchant Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:09:00 - [164] Edited by: Shard Merchant on 20/10/2008 19:11:17 Originally by: Rex Lashar Ishkur 10% armor exp resist, 50% armor EM resist. Using Devastators (left) and Paradise (right) on armor. Speeds taken: standstill, max ship speed, and max ship speed using AB II. 0 Target Painters - 39m sig 0m/s ------ 45 --- 25 375m/s ---- 39 --- 22 932m/s ---- 23 --- 14 1 Target Painter - 56m sig 0m/s ------ 66 --- 37 375m/s ---- 48 --- 28 932m/s ---- 28 --- 16 2 Target Painters - 77m sig 0m/s ------ 90 --- 65 375m/s ---- 60 --- 33 932m/s ---- 35 --- 20 Repeat of the above test with new SISI stats. 0 Target Painters - 39m sig 0m/s ------ 60 (+33%) --- 36 (+44%) 375m/s ---- 39 ----------- 23 ~n/a 932m/s ---- 21 ----------- 13 ~n/a 1 Target Painter - 56m sig 0m/s ------ 85 (+28%) --- 51 (+38%) 375m/s ---- 47 ----------- 29 ~n/a 932m/s ---- 27 ----------- 16 ~n/a 2 Target Painters - 77m sig 0m/s ------ 114 (+27%) --- 67 375m/s ---- 57 ------------ 34 ~n/a 932m/s ---- 33 ------------ 19 ~n/a Bonus: 3 Target Painters - forgot to record sig :\ 0m/s ------ 139 --- 81 375m/s ---- 66 ---- 39 932m/s ---- 37 ---- 22 Damage reduction factor increase doesn't really compensate at higher speeds. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:09:00 - [165] Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Kayosoni right now ravens with cruise hit inters/dictors going 5km/s for about 0.2 damage a missile. Also, what EWAR can they fit and use well? On TQ maybe but on sisi they hit for a bucket ton more than that pal, oh and damps fit very nice on ravens tyvm, lol you could even fill a few mids with TP's increasing hits even more. Damps and TPs have very limited range, normal fleet fight range is at the very edge of their falloff. Not everything is about blobs bud. The fact is that a gang of sniping ravens out damages, can tank or use ewar and can hit any ship in the game. No other BS can and that makes it waaay over powered.
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:10:00 - [166] Originally by: Gypsio III Yeah yeah, BE Cruise Ravens, fairly straightforward tactics etc. But the Cruise Raven is not a sniper and cannot be directly compared to turret BS. I'm surprised that you don't understand this. Snipers = instant damage. Therefore, Cruise Raven is not a sniper. The cruise Raven is a decent, if rather niche, long-range antisupport ship, and this position needs to be maintained or Cruise becomes a useless weapon system. It really is that simple. well, the way missiles have been done is completely ass backward, with close range slow missiles (rockets, hams, torps) actually somehow having a harder time doing max damage than the longe range missiles. -----------------------------------
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:11:00 - [167] Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Kayosoni Originally by: lecrotta Originally by: Kayosoni right now ravens with cruise hit inters/dictors going 5km/s for about 0.2 damage a missile. Also, what EWAR can they fit and use well? On TQ maybe but on sisi they hit for a bucket ton more than that pal, oh and damps fit very nice on ravens tyvm, lol you could even fill a few mids with TP's increasing hits even more. Damps and TPs have very limited range, normal fleet fight range is at the very edge of their falloff. Not everything is about blobs bud. The fact is that a gang of sniping ravens out damages, can tank or use ewar and can hit any ship in the game. No other BS can and that makes it waaay over powered. No one cares about you few morons sitting on a gate killing newbies and thinking you're awesome. This about the big boy's game. -----------------------------------
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:12:00 - [168] Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:13:47 Originally by: Gypsio III Snipers = instant damage. Therefore, Cruise Raven is not a sniper. Sniping has and always will be about range not instant dmg, stop talking rubbish trying to save you i-win missile spammers.
Kayosoni Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:14:00 - [169] Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:13:47 Originally by: Gypsio III Snipers = instant damage. Therefore, Cruise Raven is not a sniper. Sniping has and always will be about range not instant dmg, stop talking rubbish trying to save you i-win missile spammers. ....................... you can't be serious. -----------------------------------
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:17:00 - [170] I seriously never thought I'd hear cruise missiles described as "I-win"... Seriously mate, whatever drugs you're on... go and take some more and stop making yourself look silly.

lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:20:00 - [171] Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:21:04 FACTS: Cruise raven can hit any ship doing any speed in the game, it can hit at max range, it can also fit ewar or tank while doing so. Name another BS that can do that pls.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:26:00 - [172] Edited by: Gypsio III on 20/10/2008 19:26:03 All of them can. And you know, even the really comedy fits would probably do more damage to a MWDing interceptor than a Cruise Raven.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:30:00 - [173] Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:33:03 Originally by: Gypsio III All of them can. And you know, even the really comedy fits would probably do more damage to a MWDing interceptor than a Cruise Raven. Really so a mega can hit any ship in the game on (sisi), hit at max range and fit ewar or tank?......i see you found summat to smoke. post that fit pls PS the raven can switch to precision cruise if a bit closer and hit for a lot more while the other bs still cannot hit at all no matter the ammo.
Aya Vandenovich	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:33:00 - [174] Edited by: Aya Vandenovich on 20/10/2008 19:35:45 Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:21:04 FACTS: Cruise raven can hit any ship doing any speed in the game. This may be true, but the important thing with the new missile formula isn't that it can hit, it's the damage each hit does. And the obvious disadvantage to cruises long range is that un-tackled ships will just warp away before impact.
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:35:00 - [175] Originally by: Aya Vandenovich Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:21:04 FACTS: Cruise raven can hit any ship doing any speed in the game. This may be true, but the important thing with the new missile formula isn't that it can hit, it's the damage each hit does. Precision cruise can kill a ceptor in just over a minute without warrior II's helping let alone with, all other sniper fitted bs cannot hit at all no matter the ammo.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:38:00 - [176] Originally by: lecrotta Precision cruise can kill a ceptor in just over a minute without warrior II's helping let alone with, all other sniper fitted bs cannot hit at all no matter the ammo. Yes, we know, and I said right at the start that this wasn't balanced. But T1 missiles stats are changing every day, and I don't think the devs have even looked at T2 missiles yet. So your conclusion is utterly worthless.
Aya Vandenovich	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:39:00 - [177] Originally by: lecrotta Precision cruise can kill a ceptor in just over a minute without warrior II's helping let alone with, all other sniper fitted bs cannot hit at all no matter the ammo. So without warrior IIs it can maintain a tackle on your BS for more than a minute? What else would it be trying to do, break your tank?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:41:00 - [178] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: lecrotta Precision cruise can kill a ceptor in just over a minute without warrior II's helping let alone with, all other sniper fitted bs cannot hit at all no matter the ammo. Yes, we know, and I said right at the start that this wasn't balanced. But T1 missiles stats are changing every day, and I don't think the devs have even looked at T2 missiles yet. So your conclusion is utterly worthless. So my conclusion that "it needs fixing cos it was not balanced" is exactly the same as yours.............. Originally by: Gypsio III I said right at the start that this wasn't balanced. but your saying im wrong?...er ok can you send me some of that stuff you found to smoke pls.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:48:00 - [179] I said 80 seconds to kill wasn't balanced - it should be somewhat longer. Then you went to cloud cuckoo land on a bizarre rant against the Cruise Raven, apparently believing it's some ultimate weapon of the galaxy, comprising all sniper fleets, then you demanded that these imaginary missile "snipers" be deleted from the game as they were just so unfair. By the way... you were talking about PVP, weren't you... not L4 missions?
lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.10.20 19:51:00 - [180] Edited by: lecrotta on 20/10/2008 19:53:13 Originally by: Gypsio III I said 80 seconds to kill wasn't balanced - it should be somewhat longer. I cut the rest of your exaggerated drooling rant. 80 or 180 secs the fact is that compared to every other range fitted BS that can NEVER EVEN HIT IT EVER no matter the ammo they use it is over powered.



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