But how about modifying it so a ganker can't hide in an NPC corp.

If you want to gank someone in high sec, you have to be in a PC corp, and once you gank someone, you can't jump to an NPC corp for 48 hours.

I think this would eliminate some of the frustration miners / industrialists feel, while keeping the mechanic intact.

Yeah, how about making it so no one can other than less than a month old newbies. Not sure why you would limit it to just suicide gankers, NPC corp abuse goes well beyond that...including the targets of suicide gankers... mostly they're only suicide ganking in the first place as the haulers and miners or whatever are themselves hiding in an NPC corp and it's the only option to attack them.

Actually I've suggested before that NPC corps automatically drag you into Faction War with other rival NPC corps, but failing that I'd be happy to see them go.

you get ganked.

you pay concord to look the other way for a week. (only if you got ganked ) personal war dec/bounty system, being in an npc corp doesn't protect them.

no countdown to wait for dec to go live, no cool down toward the end.

cost to dec related to cost of how many ganked you, 10m isk per ganker.

Funny how the ganker community thinks that everyone should be forced into a PC corp . . . except themselves. Carebares pay for NPC corp protection with a 11% tax rate (this is also an isk sink). They also cannot anchor POSes. What is being requested here is that if you are going to suicide gank my hauler, I should be able to dec you / hire mercenaries to kill you. Seems consistent. Even if my hauler alts were in a PC corp you are unlikely to spend the isk to dec a one man corp. I get no extra protection from suicide ganks for being in an NPC corp, there should be no extra protection for suicide gankers from being in an NPC corp.

Of course nobody is addressing the metagame in EVE.

The Merc groups are the gankers.

everything has a risk. stop being an untanked noob

You can tank a Hulk all you want...wont take more than 2 catalysts to destroy you before concord arrives. Mining simply needs higher tier ships to train for...bigger tougher ships, still gankable of course but they need tougher ships.

Yeah cause youre the only and most important ppl in the game.... right
Cause ONLY suicide ganking in High sec
ONLY THAT
Is what allows the indies to make money.

not 0.0 or lowsec

Yeah... gl with that argument lol

Who really cares what the victims think? They exist for us to victimize.

so now its the ganker "community"

nice

But how about modifying it so a ganker can't hide in an NPC corp.

If you want to gank someone in high sec, you have to be in a PC corp, and once you gank someone, you can't jump to an NPC corp for 48 hours.

I think this would eliminate some of the frustration miners / industrialists feel, while keeping the mechanic intact.

That entirely depends on whether you choose to use actual arguments or if you just resort to nonsensical and unfounded assertions and personal attacksGǪ

GǪso, personal attacks it is, then?

Not really. The difference lies in how much you have to pay them and how much support you're willing to provide. The basic mechanism to get your revenge is already there GÇö you just choose not to make use of it. Could it be improved? Sure, but your idea is not the right way to go since it opens up so many obvious exploits. Limiting what other players can and cannot do is never a good idea, and CCP are actually quite actively moving away from that kind of design.

What you want is transferable kill rights, which is something completely different.

When I mined in nullsec with a hulk I had it fit so it could eat 8 overheated catalysts - assuming I was mining in a 0.5 sec station and they were all level 5 and using faction ammo. With enough room for an MLU II to boot. But that's just what it takes to survive the rats.

It's funny though that for all the threat that suicide ganking poses in highsec, I have yet to see two lossmails in succession where a highsec miner even bothered to use all his midslots, let alone use them for tanking.

When I mined in nullsec with a hulk I had it fit so it could eat 8 overheated catalysts - assuming I was mining in a 0.5 sec station and they were all level 5 and using faction ammo. With enough room for an MLU II to boot. But that's just what it takes to survive the rats.

It's funny though that for all the threat that suicide ganking poses in highsec, I have yet to see two lossmails in succession where a highsec miner even bothered to use all his midslots, let alone use them for tanking.

But how about modifying it so a ganker can't hide in an NPC corp.

If you want to gank someone in high sec, you have to be in a PC corp, and once you gank someone, you can't jump to an NPC corp for 48 hours.

I think this would eliminate some of the frustration miners / industrialists feel, while keeping the mechanic intact.

I've got a better idea.

Lose the NPC corp thing altogether. Leave them for training purposes, but after some amount of time, maybe 60 days, boot the player out of the corp. They can never be back in again.

Unemployed capsuleers are non-persons. In a universe of immortals governed by the quest for riches, they are the scum of the universe. Not even CONCORD cares what happens to them and won't lift a finger to stop anyone from doing whatever they want to them. Only the employed have rights in EvE. Agents won't talk to them...they can't sell their wares (except maybe in the most lawless of territories)...they are essentially locked out of participation in society until they find employment (or pay dues to create their own corporation).

I think this should make everyone happy. This would essentially get rid of the perma-dec-shield that is NPC corporations for both miners and gankers. It would also push players into a more active role in EvE society....and would provide ample gank targets for those who simply won't join a corp.

I'm sure players will come up with their own ways around it. Some Mr. Nice Guy will create a corp that anyone can be in, has no taxes...etc... That's fine...they'd still be targetable via war-dec.

How about after so many Total Skill Points you're booted out of the NPC Corp.

No alternate crop, just a lone wolf.



I seriously don't even understand why there's an NPC Corp to begin with. In my six years of playing not once have I used the NPC corp to group or serve any other purpose than another chat group.

Got the Rookie channel so it's not like NPC Corp is the only easy way to get advice.
Got Local (when is this going...) so (for now) that's really the only channel that gets used for grouping


...seriously, please, someone tell me why CCP thought it was necessary to force you into a NPC Corp.

[Probably some stupid code dependency....like a bunch of stuff that expects the character object to have a corp object or it blows the **** up or something.

These things often come down to a question of game balance.

If high-sec players want a "PVE" environment in which they never lose a ship, then the rewards they get from high-sec activities should be throttled severely.

If you don't want to participate in the money-spending aspect of the economy, you shouldn't participate in the money making aspects either.