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fras	Posted - 2004.06.29 10:31:00 - [31] I'm getting vibes from this thread that some people believe a mega with blasters is some kind of uber ship. They suck cap like no tomorrow and have a v weak defence. Fighting is obviously about damage taking vs damage dealing, it just so happens the mega has the scales tipped one way. I see the Tempest as more of a balanced ship and more than capable of taking a blasterthron 1v1 if setup correctly.
Ardra	Posted - 2004.06.29 10:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Presidio Pretty good as compared to what other ship? a Thorax? Gotta love the noobs they keep the economy going... only peeps i see as n00b are the ones compalining, every ship has problems, Tempest WAS overpowered (and i fly minmatar ships) mins natural advantage of speed still gives a huge advantage cos u can make them fight on ur terms. Change is Inevitable... The wise adapt. if u are as good as u say you are... the just cope with it, im still getting a tempest as IMO it will still own for what i want it to do.
Ardra	Posted - 2004.06.29 10:50:00 - [33] Edited by: Ardra on 29/06/2004 10:52:01 double post >.<
Ardra	Posted - 2004.06.29 10:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Bella Verde Edited by: Bella Verde on 29/06/2004 00:08:06 Its slightly harder to hit, and with a mwd on short range setups it closes faster than a megathron. With the signature radius its the hardest battleship to hit. sry to correct cos i agree completely but the phoon is hardest to hit last i checked. but ur right, u see a mega u no with 90% certaninty that its a blasterthron and can counter, u can vrs a tempest. + ive said be4, the speed means u can stay out of ur targets optirange and stay at your opti range. that is a HUGE advantage (i good volley from 6 1400mms would seriously screw a blasterthron) End note: Tempest IS the best BS around, it may not be as strong in areas but it has few weakness that can be expoilted.
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.06.29 11:10:00 - [35] Originally by: fras I'm getting vibes from this thread that some people believe a mega with blasters is some kind of uber ship. They suck cap like no tomorrow and have a v weak defence. Fighting is obviously about damage taking vs damage dealing, it just so happens the mega has the scales tipped one way. I see the Tempest as more of a balanced ship and more than capable of taking a blasterthron 1v1 if setup correctly. I can understand the feeling that a mega is uber though, when you look at that damage it's really impressive, and if you only look at that and forget the rest it is uber and that a tempest pilot would like that I can understand, somedays I would love to fly a tempest and not worry about the insane cap drain, or be able to switch damage types or take a butload of damage, or let those missiles fly and not worry about tracking and webbing and optimal and what not. But most days I just feel great when I hear those IONs fire up. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
TGIF	Posted - 2004.06.29 11:28:00 - [36] Tempest has cap drain, and cannot keep up shield against a megathron. Trust me, i seen enough tempest vanish before my very eyes by Mega's hands. Personally i would love to see all battleships have enough cap to defend itself, after all they are fighting ships and thus should have the cap to defend itself. If the Dev's would make that more balanced so that cap isnt an issue, i believe most ships would change setups and we would see other load- outs. Also powergrid for tempest is not enough to keep up shields and midslots are now a little low since we need tracking computers todo any dmg. - - - Absinthe Fueled
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.06.29 11:47:00 - [37] Originally by: TGIF Tempest has cap drain, and cannot keep up shield against a megathron. Trust me, i seen enough tempest vanish before my very eyes by Mega's hands. Personally i would love to see all battleships have enough cap to defend itself, after all they are fighting ships and thus should have the cap to defend itself. If the Dev's would make that more balanced so that cap isnt an issue, i believe most ships would change setups and we would see other load- outs. Also powergrid for tempest is not enough to keep up shields and midslots are now a little low since we need tracking computers todo any dmg. Ehm sry but that first remark doesn't prove anything, last night I killed a dozen blasterthrons on Entropy ( not bragging could care less about entropy kills/deaths ) with full armour or close to, using the exact same setup another blasterthron killed me with almost all it's structure left. Just reading these forums makes you realize just how many really really bad setups there are out there. Strongly disagree there, most of the time i love my megathron for it's cap issues sound strange, but if it was easy, it wouldn't be half as much fun, and shouldn't be as rewarding when it works right. Most definetly setups would change. If you take a look at my megathrons setup half my grid and most my cpu is used to make those 7 turrets do what i want them to do. It's supposed to be hard. Not getting that one, what does grid have to do with anything? Tracking is fixed on Entropy, use that as a guideline not TQ. And for the record a blasterthron can't run a large repairer on auto without a injector, and with a injector the repairer runs as long as the boosters last. And without some serious cap modules just getting the blasters to keep on firing is impossible as well. If you got trouble shield tanking a tempest then try armour tanking it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Outcastino	Posted - 2004.06.29 12:12:00 - [38] Well, ive seen close range tempests eat blasterthrons up. It was very close tho. But that was before......zi patch. -------------------------------------------- I love the smell off cookies in the morning, smells like victory!
Gungankllr	Posted - 2004.06.29 12:21:00 - [39] Just you wait until I log in with my Heron and own all of you. www.hadean.org
Crixon	Posted - 2004.06.29 15:10:00 - [40] It's not just about CPU and PG, the patch hit Tempest, and Minmatar players in general, the hardest because their bonuses are tied to projectile weapons. Many Tempest pilots have trained projectile skills extensively, so they feel their training has been wasted.

Jasmyn	Posted - 2004.06.29 15:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Grimveous The tempest hasnt been gimped imo, its been changed yes. But you just have to adjust to these changes. thats damn right. all you ****ers who got used to over powerd ships being able ti fit anything they wanted and blow up everything no matter its size or speed need to shut up. old fitting not work? oh wawaaaaa to bad. find a new one. Someone once told me they loved me.
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.06.29 16:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Crixon It's not just about CPU and PG, the patch hit Tempest, and Minmatar players in general, the hardest because their bonuses are tied to projectile weapons. Many Tempest pilots have trained projectile skills extensively, so they feel their training has been wasted. And that is cause projectiles are the only turrets that need tracking? exactly how do you figure this? I'm completely trained for hybrids only, another turret btw, what's the difference that makes me uber and you completely nerfed to hell and back? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.06.29 18:20:00 - [43] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 29/06/2004 18:21:41 Originally by: Ardra advantage (i good volley from 6 1400mms would seriously screw a blasterthron) Yeah, and watch as he comfortably warps to safety, while laughing at you. The beauty of the mega is that it can deal maximum damage within warp scramble range. Even with EMP ammo your 1400's will have an optimal out side of even warp disruptor range. There is no point in even fighting unless you know you can keep the enemy from warping out.
JoCool	Posted - 2004.06.29 19:36:00 - [44] That's what teams are for, you Newb.
Bella Verde	Posted - 2004.06.29 20:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Omniwar Originally by: Bella Verde Originally by: Jakal Edited by: Jakal on 29/06/2004 00:39:59 Edited by: Jakal on 29/06/2004 00:20:04 i cant believe you made another post about the tempest, have you logged on to entropy lately? no, well then stfu. P.S. and btw the tempest isn't a specialized ship, you can't expect it to do one thing as good as the specialized battleships. if you think it should be able to, im glad you dont have TomBs job. Too bad you didnt actually read my post. I said its not as good at any one thing as the others, but it can do pretty much anything, which is its strongpoint. Go back to Counter-Strike, where you can whimper and moan at people who dont think exactly the way your simple mind does, and without any grammar, to boot. He wasnt referring to your post at all but rather replying to the original poster so I guess you owe someone an apoligy. And english isnt my native language and so dont flame my grammar please. You're right - I thought it was my post he was referring to. Thus my apoligies Jakal.
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.06.29 21:23:00 - [46] Less powergrid, more CPU??? My Tempest it fine, but I would like some more powergrid. Learn to adapt.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.06.29 21:33:00 - [47] Originally by: JoCool That's what teams are for, you Newb. Same thing applies to small teams, you can only kill the people you can warp scramble and more people at long range means less kills.
digitalwanderer	Posted - 2004.06.29 22:20:00 - [48] Same situation here as well... I have my apoc nicely fitted for damage,but it was at the expense of reducing it¦s shield tanking abilities a good bit since i usually use 2 shield amps in the mids(only using an XL clarity + shield amp + EM hardener),and still required the use of a tech 2 co processor in the lows,even tho i have maxed out electronics and turret upgrade skills,I also have to use an XL clarity sheild booster to make the setup work,cpu wise... So the setup i¦m running right now is more biased towards offence that defence,even tho i still have the capability to run the shield tanking indefinately... But like everyone else,it¦s still a work in progress,as i might swap one of the large turrets for a med one and use the cpu savings for the extra shield amp in the mid slots and swap the 3 tech 1 power diagnostics for their tech 2 variants,which frees that last mid slot of it¦s cap recharger 2 and still keeps the sheild tanking going forever I¦ve actually squeezed every last cpu unit out of that setup(687/687)...
Janos	Posted - 2004.06.29 23:23:00 - [49] Im seeing some progress on entropy... up close the 14' is about crap... no dammage no hits... get about 60 km out and the tempest begins to shine... Weeeee it does dammage again! Need to further test this pig out though.
Jakal	Posted - 2004.06.30 00:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Bella Verde Originally by: Omniwar Originally by: Bella Verde Originally by: Jakal Edited by: Jakal on 29/06/2004 00:39:59 Edited by: Jakal on 29/06/2004 00:20:04 i cant believe you made another post about the tempest, have you logged on to entropy lately? no, well then stfu. P.S. and btw the tempest isn't a specialized ship, you can't expect it to do one thing as good as the specialized battleships. if you think it should be able to, im glad you dont have TomBs job. Too bad you didnt actually read my post. I said its not as good at any one thing as the others, but it can do pretty much anything, which is its strongpoint. Go back to Counter-Strike, where you can whimper and moan at people who dont think exactly the way your simple mind does, and without any grammar, to boot. He wasnt referring to your post at all but rather replying to the original poster so I guess you owe someone an apoligy. And english isnt my native language and so dont flame my grammar please. You're right - I thought it was my post he was referring to. Thus my apoligies Jakal. thank you, and ive never played CS -Adapt and Overcome.

Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.30 01:14:00 - [51] Well alot of difference in opinions here. I would just ask everyone to keep it clean. Just because I may be your enemy in game doesn't mean you should flame me for expressing my views which have nothing to do with the war. I made a similar post like this long time ago when dual 425 scouts got taken out of the game and when projectiles got nerfed. I got the same type of response from EVE player base. It took everyone 4 months to realise that projectiles were useless. And only after devs noticed that noone was flying minmatar ships anymore they decided to fix the problem. I see some of you are attacking me with "you don't know how to equip your ship" phrase. I have been flying minmatar ships longer than most of you. I beleive that I was the second person to have a Typhoon in this game. First person being Sarc (dunno if he still plays). And those who know me well know that I have been involved in countless conflits and PvP engagements. So unless you have something constructive to say STFU. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.06.30 02:09:00 - [52] I don't like presidio at all. However, he is pretty much right. Tempest is rather gimped atm. It's not quite as bad with 800's but it's still subpar. Count me as another person with minm b ship 5 l proj 5 rapid 5 motion 5 sharpshooter 5 etc etc who is now flying a raven. Maybe I'll be the 1st fool in game to have 2 bships trained to lvl 5? Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Presidio	Posted - 2004.06.30 02:22:00 - [53] Originally by: ProphetGuru I don't like presidio at all. I'am not a bad guy once you get to know me. And I do feel bad for what happened between me and Jakal. That's all. He seems like a cool guy. Maybe one day we'll be friends... or maybe not - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.06.30 03:01:00 - [54] PvP setups rely solo on close range. TQ is messed up for that. By no means is NPC hunting nerfed w/ the tempest you just have to be creative. I fly a phoon with 4 1400mm and must say its impressive. It definately out did my old tempest back in november. When Entropy fixes are applied... Tempest will shine again for hard corp PvP. Blastathrons and railapocs beware. -----
Jakal	Posted - 2004.06.30 04:36:00 - [55] I fear no ship in my Megathron. However, 2 ships are better then 1. -Adapt and Overcome.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.06.30 08:20:00 - [56] Bah. Tempest with 4 800's, 2 energy neutralizers, and 2 launchers will wtfpwn any close-range mwd-equipped blasterthron. You can't shoot if you have no cap. Tempest pilot just has to be willing to be a little dry himself..... LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.06.30 08:42:00 - [57] Originally by: ProphetGuru I don't like presidio at all. However, he is pretty much right. Tempest is rather gimped atm. It's not quite as bad with 800's but it's still subpar. Count me as another person with minm b ship 5 l proj 5 rapid 5 motion 5 sharpshooter 5 etc etc who is now flying a raven. Maybe I'll be the 1st fool in game to have 2 bships trained to lvl 5? Don't, Tempest will be fine again soon. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
TGIF	Posted - 2004.06.30 08:55:00 - [58] Edited by: TGIF on 30/06/2004 09:00:46 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Bah. Tempest with 4 800's, 2 energy neutralizers, and 2 launchers will wtfpwn any close-range mwd-equipped blasterthron. You can't shoot if you have no cap. Tempest pilot just has to be willing to be a little dry himself..... Those 800 cap boosters you use and many other megathron pilots will mean your victory and the defeat of any tempest for the mere reason that a megathrons damage output defeats a tempest ability to tank. _AS FAR AS IT ABLE TO TANK_ Remember, 800's are closer range guns so tempest pilot needs a mwd too if he got brains (shooting with 800's at 50km to an apoc doesnt hit ****), so they both have the limit. However due to that the tempest lacks cpu (with your setup) to fit a XLarge booster (any kind, even clarity), thus it cannot keep its shield up. With your setup a tempest lacks powergrid to armor tank, thus it has to rely on shields. (tested it, without shield booster and ONLY highslots filled with your setup i was 1500 powergrid SHORT for using a large armor repairer.) The damage output from 6 ionblasters (like many of your megathron pilots like to fit) rips a tempest shields apart. I have seen my corpmate rip a Dominix battleship to debris in less than 50 seconds with blasters. A large CL-5 cannot ever keep up with that. And even 2 capdrainers/nosferatu (even 3) cannot drain your mega fast enough to surfive the insane shredding damage of a megathron. A slight cpu boost of 40 cpu units would benefit the tempest to give it the ability to make it a second best close range battleship, because with that boost the tempest is able to fit XLarge clarity ward.. _WITH LEVEL5 SKILLS IN EVERY CPU/POWERGRID/WEAPONUPGRADES THERE IS_ So far its the worst ship ingame. - - - Absinthe Fueled
TGIF	Posted - 2004.06.30 09:01:00 - [59] Originally by: ProphetGuru I don't like presidio at all. However, he is pretty much right. Tempest is rather gimped atm. It's not quite as bad with 800's but it's still subpar. Count me as another person with minm b ship 5 l proj 5 rapid 5 motion 5 sharpshooter 5 etc etc who is now flying a raven. Maybe I'll be the 1st fool in game to have 2 bships trained to lvl 5? Race you to it. - - - Absinthe Fueled
TGIF	Posted - 2004.06.30 09:17:00 - [60] Edited by: TGIF on 30/06/2004 09:20:31 Originally by: Presidio It took everyone 4 months to realise that projectiles were useless. And only after devs noticed that noone was flying minmatar ships anymore they decided to fix the problem. I see some of you are attacking me with "you don't know how to equip your ship" phrase. I have been flying minmatar ships longer than most of you. I remember when i was CEO i had a member named Sanguis who i asked, what battleship do you want me to help you with saving for. He answered (as an RP addict) Tempest, we all had a good chuckle over that. Noone was flying those ships back then because of the ship suck so bad, the only ones who were flying were RP'ers. Also i have to admit i am not a tempest pilot since the first hour, the change to projectiles and in specific 1400's has finally given me interest in the ship. A long range sniper i saw it to be, a ship able to hit large ammounts of damage over long range at the cost of bad tracking and slow rof. The gun on a tempest, without talking about the ability to hit shortrange was perfect. The only thing that needed tweaking was 1400 not able to hit or hit on very rare occation (hey even a tank can hit a soldier with its artillery if it stands infront of the loop) below 20 - 30 km range. That long range snipper role was perfect for the tempest since it does not have the ability to last much dmg, so making the ship have the following bonusses: Long range hitting Long range fights doesnt cause much dmg thus alot of defence was not needed, but makes the Tempest weak against close range fighters due to its inability to last in shortrange engagements. Long range fighters would eventually mean: - weak in short range hitting. - Weak in defence. However with this patch the short range tempest has gained a advantage over the longrange tempest since longrange cannot hit much, but using close range setups does not remove the limitation of what a longrange tempest once has: Its inability to endure much damage. - - - Absinthe Fueled



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