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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Celora Venustas
perhaps I am an ideot
one of the rules is no smack talking, which sure wont last long
I agree
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:38:00 -
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Bring some of those hated griefers into low/null sec and I'll shoot them, free of charge.
In that side of EVE, there is only blue and dead 
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Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:46:00 -
[33]
OP, is Ninja Salvaging Griefing?
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:48:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 21/10/2008 15:51:52
OP: Suck it up, buttercup!
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:51:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
How the hell do you think GoonSwarm started? They mass recruited noobs and all grew together.
Hey guys, I'm getting tired of riding bikes  , wanna go play Eve?
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: BloodBird on 21/10/2008 16:53:58
Originally by: Celora Venustas
What are yours and your corp's thoughts on griefers?
Griefing: "A griefer is a player who plays a game simply to aggravate and harass other players.
Griefers differ from typical players in that they do not play the game in order to achieve objectives defined by the game world. Instead, they seek to harass other players, causing grief. In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults, and exploiting unintended game mechanics. Griefing as a gaming play style is not simply any action that may be considered morally incorrect.
Though the staff of each online game defines griefing in a manner that best fits their game, certain criteria must be met for an action to be considered griefing. An act of griefing involves the following three types of actions to be considered grief play:
The use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person."
In effect: Goonswarm are Griefers, pirates and the like are ordinary players.
Unless the above fits the actions of the people you refer to as "griefers", they are merely players of one form or another.
You asked, so here are my ideas on "griefers", note that the people this applies to are not griefers in your generalized extent, but mostly pirates, scammers, smack-talkers and other negatively-toned tendencies:
The above mentioned actions are things that I as a person steers clear of as a player. I do this simply because I prefer not to do any of them.
I don't smack, I used to when i was "younger" but after being smacked by only the gods know how many fools it got tasteless and I stopped.
I don't scam people, because I like the fact that one's name MEANS something in this game and if people can't trust me to keep my word when it matters I've lost a bit as a player in EVE. Secondly I find it morally objective.
I definitely don't pirate people, simply because I like my sec-rating and my ability to enter high-sec for wars, trade etc. I used to have a low standing because I'd open fire on known pirates that had not yet become flashy, when I could. If you always wait for the pirate to fire first (when he is fully prepared) to avoid the sec-loss your going to have a though time as a Vigilante, trust me on that.
Regardless of what YOU might think of them, pirates, scammers and smack-tards are indeed players too, in other words, other people. wishing them dead IRL or treating them as you do is not just stupid, it's as childish as smack-talking and makes you look like a fool. I consider pirates and others to be people too and treat them accordingly unless I'm roleplaying, (My character *HATE* pirates with a burning passion) and even then I'll keep things level-headed and don't fall into stupid tendencies like think less of the person for his pirating habits.
Deep down I like pirating as a system and I'm glad - something you don't seem to be - that CCP allows it. It grants me an endless supply of potentially skilled foes to kill, simply because it's more risky, rewarding and more challenging to fight a pirate than an industrialist. While I don't "like" pirates, I like that they exist and can respect the player behind the -10, something you don't seem able too.
EVE is a game and thousands of people love to play the evil pirate bad-guy, most that play the "good-guy" (there are none) claim to be anti-pirate because they got hurt or killed by a pirate/scammer/smacker/whatever at some point. Those are usually the ones with little skill and big mouths that drag the anti-pirate ideal into the mud, JUST LIKE YOU DO.
The rest of your post is trash in my eyes. The idea will never work, for mutiple reasons you will see of you try.
PS: Alt-troll spotted.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:58:00 -
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To be honest, this says it all about griefing in Eve:
'Griefing' is the most massively overused term in Eve.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:06:00 -
[38]
and ofc, let's not forget
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low26
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:12:00 -
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Who are you to tell me how to play the game? Ever heard of something called risk vs. reward? You want no risk and all reward? Stay in a NPC corp if you dont want to be war decked its that simple. IMO you guy's get popped because
1. You have big mouths and wont back it up
2. You whine and get the game nerfed 
3.You want no risk v reward
4. WoW is that way -->
And by the way carebears are the biggest bunch of whinners and smacktards in Eve and therefore deserve to die
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Le Sabre
Gallente
DaM Mining Kings ...InC
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:14:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Le Sabre on 21/10/2008 17:14:25
I'll add my two isk.
I'm yet to meet a 'pirate' or 'griefer' who was anything less than polite and helpfull when convo'd. One guy even replaced the brutix I was flying with his own pimped out brut, because he enjoyed the fight.  (prolly a rare thing to happen but meh)
Griefers and pirates are people to, treat them with respect and be polite and you'll get the same back. 
In my opinion anyway. 
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:18:00 -
[41]
Wat?
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Anarkii Minor
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Wobbly Hog
Er....ummmm....wouldnt this make YOU griefers??
yeah it was which obvisouly means he is a griefer or troll, and is to ****ing stupid to realize this is the way CCP wanted the god damn game to be.
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Keeves
Minmatar
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:43:00 -
[43]
TL;DR
Can you wardec/come shoot me now?
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
the united
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:48:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
The good people of the Eve Community have HAD ENOUGH!
He lost all credibility right here. No such thing as "good people" in Eve.
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Edited by: Celora Venustas on 21/10/2008 13:34:04
What are yours and your corp's thoughts on griefers?
Been harassed by some in the past? Received threats? War decÆd? EveryoneÆs had an experience involving griefers. Many of us are at war with them right now!
Griefers are the worst kind of people in the Eve Community - Always picking on newbies or miners/industrialists and harassing them; Smack talking, deliberately trying to make corporations fall apart. TheyÆve even made people quit the game! All for enjoyment, or for racking up numbers on a killboard, either way, itÆs pathetic. TheyÆre cowards!
One particular griefer, these guys are really sad, they killed an alt in a noob ship 10 times in a row and posted it on their killboard to raise their kill ratio.
Everyone has been affected by these despicable people, whether itÆs a bunch of industrialists, a newbie corp, young players from any corp. If not you personally, certainly your friends or corpmates have been affected.
The time has come for change.
The good people of the Eve Community have HAD ENOUGH!
ItÆs time to stand up and fight! Time for payback! Time to fight for what is right! Fight for JUSTICE! Time to put an end to the terror (grief)!
Time to unite the clans (corps)!
Join me and help me to forge the greatest highsec alliance the Eve Galaxy has ever seen!
Join the uprising! Join us, and together weÆll sweep across the empire space bringing death and destruction to the offenders! Punishing them for their crimes!
Are you excited?
ItÆs time to get psyched!
Put end the terror (grief)!
(and yes... this was intended to sound like something out of an epic movie =P)
Also, bolded the parts where you're an idiot.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:59:00 -
[45]
This ponderous thread has a distinctive urine-like odor. 
Good posts by BloodBird and Khale though, even though I don't personally agree that Goonswarm should be considered "griefers" under the technical definition offered. While they certainly intend to make the game unpleasant for people, Eve is/was/can be unpleasant by design. Anyway Celora please update us regularly as to the, uh, progress of your operations.
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Rudy Metallo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.21 19:08:00 -
[46]
CRY MOAR
I'll enjoy blowing up your ship and using your corpse as...personal amusement.
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Dihania
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:30:00 -
[47]
/me rolls on the floor laughing my arse out
Good luck on your project there, hope you gather many pilots under your flag and fly it proud. And when you have your hopes high come to Tama.
[hrhr]
Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:32:00 -
[48]
This thread delivers tbh.
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Marshall Jannsen
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:49:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the OP is just pulling everyones leg. There is no way anyone with more than a month in EVE could seriously post that.
I mean if it is serious:
You're proposing flying on down into low sec and what, killing all the pirates? Pirates, even those that attack new players, those who gatecamp, those who pod without profit, and those who sit outside stations waiting to pop you repeatedly, are legitimate businessmen. The primary thing that draws people to EVE is the very cutthroat nature of the gameplay.
This is directly to the OP. If you wipe out all the pirates that gang up on industrials in low sec, that ninja slow freighters going into Jita, or the players that scam nubbinz... what are you going to have? Free industry and mining for all? Mission running as the only form of combat? Go play Everquest or WoW if that's your thing. I personally like my dangerous, uncertain, and often hilarious future here.
Very little can be considered griefing in EVE. Even baiting nubkinz outside of their starter station and can flippers are within their rights to what they do. Really the only kind of griefing that can really occur in EVE either when someone deliberately hacks the system, or begins to stalk their prey outside the game.
I'm not going to insult the OP and call names, but seriously: let's get real here.
"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Take a man's fish, tell him he's lucky to be alive, and by tommorow he'll have caught another fish for you to steal."
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Lemage
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:55:00 -
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So when all griefers are gone the world will be filled with bunnies, rainbows and fluffy things?
Hello Kitty MMO that way
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Rivur'Tam
X10 Punishment
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:01:00 -
[51]
to op
NO U!!!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:05:00 -
[52]
Oh noes, it is the attack of the "!" posters.
What ever will we do? Somebody hold me!
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de4deye
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:19:00 -
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But.. I need to kill carebears, their tears fuel my ship . Nothing more fun than seeing a carebear  over me blowing their ship up.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:26:00 -
[54]
My thoughts on OP in order of likelyhood.
1. It is a troll
2. It is a "cunning" plan (as in "I've got a cunning plan" said Baldrick) to get lots of militant carebears in one place to save isk on war decs.
3. The OP is serious. 
I'd rule out option 3 but I've pirated some people who reacted in truly remarkable ways.
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Msgerbs
Gallente
Imperial Assualt Guild
Infused Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 00:25:00 -
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Assuming the OP serious (doubtful):
You'd probably consider me greifing because I steal ore and try to kill your barge. But to me, it's simply having fun. And to be honest, I'd rather kill that "innocent" cruiser sitting next to you.
Assuming the OP is pulling a dubious trick:
Can I get join?
Assuming the OP is joking:
W00t for wasting my time.
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de4deye
Caldari
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:07:00 -
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If an alliance is actually made like that (doubtful), I will be happier than a little kid in a candy store. No more having to wardec 15 different corps ftw. Make my day please carebears .
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Lorna Loot
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:07:00 -
[57]
\o/
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:16:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
One particular griefer, these guys are really sad, they killed an alt in a noob ship 10 times in a row and posted it on their killboard to raise their kill ratio.
troll spotted
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Killian Bekker
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lorna Loot
\o/
I too can wait. Red Stars galore!
1) If you quit over losing an internet possession, you need to evaluate your life a little better.
2) If a CEO can't hold his corp together, then that corp was destined to fail anyhow.
3) Please make it easier for us to fight you.
4) Pirating isn't griefing.
5) If you don't like smack... Don't respond, or start it by saying crap like your opinions on our profession in local.
6) Funny spot to be posting this garbage in.
7) Stay in NPC Corp if you don't like war.
8) Don't undock if you fear losing an internet possession.
9) Quit if you can't deal with what's permitted in EVE.
10) Props to all my fellow Pirates.
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wide
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.22 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: wide on 22/10/2008 02:31:17
I approve of this initiative. Convo "Saint Schala" for potential targets |
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