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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:46:00 -
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What are yours and your corp's thoughts on griefers and pirates?
Been harassed by some in the past? Received threats? War decÆd? EveryoneÆs had an experience involving griefers. Many of us are at war with them right now!
Griefers are the worst kind of people in the Eve Community - Always picking on newbies or miners/industrialists and harassing them; Smack talking, deliberately trying to make corporations fall apart. TheyÆve even made people quit the game! All for enjoyment, or for racking up numbers on a killboard, either way, itÆs pathetic. TheyÆre cowards!
One particular griefer, these guys are really sad, they killed an alt in a noob ship 10 times in a row and posted it on their killboard to raise their kill ratio.
Everyone has been affected by these despicable people, whether itÆs a bunch of industrialists, a newbie corp, young players from any corp. If not you personally, certainly your friends or corpmates have been affected.
The time has come for change.
The good people of the Eve Community have HAD ENOUGH!
ItÆs time to stand up and fight! Time for payback! Time to fight for what is right! Fight for JUSTICE! Time to put an end to the terror (grief)!
Time to unite the clans (corps)!
Join me and help me to forge the greatest highsec alliance the Eve Galaxy has ever seen!
Join the uprising! Join us, and together weÆll sweep across the empire space bringing death and destruction to the offenders! Punishing them for their crimes!
Are you excited?
ItÆs time to get psyched!
Put end the terror (grief)!
(and yes... this was intended to sound like something out of an epic movie =P)
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Celora Venustas on 21/10/2008 12:48:46
There are many corps and alliances out there that hate these griefer corps. They consist of all kinds of people, from miners/industrialists to mission runners. A lot of these corps are rather young, some are older. Some have experienced players, some have noobs, most are a mix.
Most of these corps are anti-piracy, anti griefers, anti smack talkers.
A lot of them are democratically run, designed to be as fair as possible to their members. A lot are designed for helping players, a lot are just a place for people to call home where they are all independent and just fly under the same tag.
There are so many good corps/alliances out there, all are very similar in many ways. Their biggest problems are numbers, a lot of them are recruiting, but struggle to find any.
ItÆs time for them all to unite!
A consortium of corporations and alliances all in the one alliance.
No mandatory ops or any annoying things such as taxes. Just a bunch of organizations who all have similar values and agree on certain rules. An alliance where corporations can still be entirely independent if they choose. Just they work together to destroy enemies and to wipe the galaxy clean of the griefer filth that infests it.
An alliance that will make the very foundations of high sec space tremble.
There will be talks as the fleets fly through space.
Griefer corps will panic. Every time they log on theyÆll see red stars in their local chat.
The griefers will have to watch their backs everywhere they go. Their members wonÆt be able to take it anymore. They will fall apart.
Finally the pilots of Eve Empire space will be free again!
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 12:49:00 -
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Vharl Ochre
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:17:00 -
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Is it now that I get to ask for your stuff?
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:24:00 -
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Does this mean you're going to bring a bunch of people to lowsec?
I know of loads of places where nasty people hang out who would love to meet you and your "alliance"
Just give it a month or so until RLÖ allows me back in game then contact me and we can arrange a meeting.
A Pirates Perspective
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Wobbly Hog
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:26:00 -
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Er....ummmm....wouldnt this make YOU griefers??
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Beth Dei
Gallente
242nd Front
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Beth Dei on 21/10/2008 13:29:55
 Originally by: Celora Venustas
Every time they log on theyÆll see red stars in their local chat.
So it'll be like the good old Privateer alliance in reverse? A bunch of people who have up to this point done nothing but fail and whine about it, using game mechanics to allow themselves to be engaged anywhere? Sign me up!
Also:
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Most of these corps are anti-piracy, anti griefers, anti smack talkers.
Carebears are the biggest smacktards in the game. I've never met antipirates that weren't douches in some respect.
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wobbly Hog
Er....ummmm....wouldnt this make YOU griefers??
umm no. It's punishing the griefers for their wrong doing. It's giving the Highsec community their freedom back!
These "griefers" aren't your ordinary corps war dec'ing over disputes or asteroids etc.. they're People who deliberately want to ruin the game for others.
Nothing wrong with mercs, and pirates if that's what you're doing as a role.
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:36:00 -
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Quote:
It's giving the Highsec community their freedom back!
Shit, so you're not bringing everyone to lowsec :(
A Pirates Perspective
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ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:39:00 -
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Good idea, but what happens after all the griefers of EVE have been eliminated? Does this huge, collection of corps, and alliances disband, or does it in time slowly degenerate into an orgy of corruption, greed, and violence against its own self, and other large, super alliances?
Such is the historical pattern of the very stupid, human race.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:48:00 -
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Way to paint a huge target on your chests once you create this alliance.
Please keep us updated on your progress so we know when you're worth deccing. 
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
Good idea, but what happens after all the griefers of EVE have been eliminated? Does this huge, collection of corps, and alliances disband, or does it in time slowly degenerate into an orgy of corruption, greed, and violence against its own self, and other large, super alliances?
Such is the historical pattern of the very stupid, human race.
Not too sure what will happen once the despicable griefers have become extinct, perhaps have a crack at 0.0? Punish other wrong doings?
There will be very basic rules that must never be broken. Players/Corps will likely be voted to be expelled or punished etc.
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Mitamonehjsd
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
Nothing wrong with mercs, and pirates if that's what you're doing as a role.
Rawwwwwr I'm a rp pirates and I act accordingly. So when I'm at sea I avoid the navy and target only the merchant navy. If, bad pure bad luck, I have a letter of marque against a corporation that field only wealthy merchant navy against me then I consider it's my duty to continue the roleplaying.
Wow, I'm confused now... the definition of griefers, pirates, anti-pirates are so blurry. Quick, quick we need the eve-wiki to be able to put labels!! Or we can ask to have "jobs certificate" so we can know who's who. I'll be a thief, hmmm no I'll be a warrior, hmmm princess? Oh yeah, I'll be a princess...
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Golden Helmet
Caldari
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:54:00 -
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Can't... stop.... laughing....
Come to Avenod, silly little carebears. I'll show ya how Eve works
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.21 13:57:00 -
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Not too sure what will happen once the despicable griefers have become extinct,
Hate to bring you down from LaLa land but you do know this will never happen.
A Pirates Perspective
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
orgy of corruption
Posting in thread with a great phrase =D +1
On that note, all this is doing is painting a huge target on the back of your ship. A good griefer will pay attention and catch you at your most vulnerable; they would probably revel in the amount of loot that your barges, exhumers, industrials, and occasional freighters will drop.
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:07:00 -
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did u read the whole post?
there are a lot of players who have been effected by griefers.
there are a lot of corps and alliances all are very much the same as eachother. this is just a matter of bringing them together.
How the hell do you think GoonSwarm started? They mass recruited noobs and all grew together.
I'm not surprised that this thread is getting a lot of negative replies. This is a game forum full of negative forum trolls. 90% of the forums is all negative replies and arguments.. Nevertheless, I thank you for your interest and your replies to increase pubicity =)
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
Griefer corps will panic. Every time they log on theyÆll see red stars in their local chat.
So your plan is to give these "griefers" free war's and constant targets. I think you will be well liked indeed.
Also, you say that you will have rules set etc, but what happens when you see a corp that you just don't like, no reason apart from the fact that you just never really got along, probably war dec them, then some other random people. Finally you will become the griefer in the Op and will say things like "Yarr" and "OMG DIE NOOB" in local.
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
Edited by: Celora Venustas on 21/10/2008 12:48:46
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Griefer corps will panic. Every time they log on theyÆll see red stars in their local chat.
Hey, we live for red stars in our local chat! It's why we pay for wardecs every week. If you guys are willing to take on that expense then I fully support this idea!
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Mithos Victus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:11:00 -
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While it's a nice thought... in some respects, I don't think you realize the monumental logistics required behind such a move.
Furthermore, without the approval of most critical Alliances in the game, this is never going to fly.
Lastly, you have to ask yourself, what is the reason 50% of the player base hugs Empire to begin with? They do not want to fight.
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
How the hell do you think GoonSwarm started? They mass recruited noobs and all grew together.
I'm not surprised that this thread is getting a lot of negative replies. This is a game forum full of negative forum trolls.
1- So you want to be the next GoonSwarm?
2- You will probably find that this forums section is giving you lots of negative replys because this is where all the cool griefers and pirates hang out, along with a few lame carebears like myself So duh!
Note to self, get a sig made with Duh! on it.
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Varus Riaz on 21/10/2008 14:17:12
Having a giant alliance full of carebear corps isn't the best idea to deter griefers. All this is going to do is get them to swarm all over you due to the large number of targets presented by a single dec. If your goal is to continue to run missions and mine in high-sec, this will backfire.
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JOSEPHx
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:17:00 -
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Sounds like a brilliant idea, i wish you lots of luck and hope you can gather as many righteous players to your cause as possible.
What's the name of the alliance and where do you hang out?
I'll get a vote on.
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Griefer corps will panic. Every time they log on theyÆll see red stars in their local chat.
So your plan is to give these "griefers" free war's and constant targets. I think you will be well liked indeed.
Also, you say that you will have rules set etc, but what happens when you see a corp that you just don't like, no reason apart from the fact that you just never really got along, probably war dec them, then some other random people. Finally you will become the griefer in the Op and will say things like "Yarr" and "OMG DIE NOOB" in local.
perhaps if i was an idiot
but no...
one of the rules is no smack talking
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Traidor Disloyal
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.21 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
there are a lot of players who have been effected by griefers.
there are a lot of corps and alliances all are very much the same as each other. this is just a matter of bringing them together.
Never going to happen with the people in High Sec. They will not band together for the Greater Good. They will run to Momma CCP to moan and groan that the Bad People are giving them grief. They will never do anything for themselves.
Some of them are so screwed up that a 5 man corp can cause trouble for an alliance like Space Weaponry and Trade due to the carebears in the alliance not knowing how to work together.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:03:00 -
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There's always the band of CAS guys who gather up every now and then to go into 0.0 to kill "pirates".
Of course, they always die in the end, but I find it pretty neat when carebears in noob corps grow teeth and will actually try to work together.
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the Entity
Fah King Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: the Entity on 21/10/2008 15:13:56
what a place to post this anti-naughtiness thread 
GD is that way ---->
your preaching to the devils here my fluffy friend, and i for one enjoy the tears i can picture as u typed all that in a vent of frustration etc..
please post here more often
edit-im not a griefer,but makes me want to be now!!
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Nebuchadnezzar I
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:21:00 -
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PLEASE do this, much easier to dec one alliance than xxxx nub corps :P
Im sure you'll find that you're being griefed much more than before you formed your alliance-for-the-shitty-and-weak.
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UrsaeMajoris
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: UrsaeMajoris on 21/10/2008 15:21:33
And just how do you define when an individual/corp/alliance meets your criteria of being griefers?
For example, if a guy was to can flip you - would you immediately dismiss this as griefing?
Said can-flipper may just be looking for a fun fight or to ransom you as a source of isk income or he may really be a griefer.
Point I'm trying to convey here is that true griefing isn't such an easy distinction to make and whatever it is in EVE that falls under the definition of "griefing" is always subjective.
Just because a corp decs a bunch of industrialists doesn't mean their intentions are to grief - for most players, making tears usually takes a backseat to making ISK.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Evil ALT Corp
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 21/10/2008 15:51:02
Pirate/griefer here. Sorry but anti-pirates tend to be the biggest smacktards you'll ever meet. Most of these "griefers" are just out for fun and know how to take being beaten themselves because they've been on both sides. A carebear however will spend half an hour going into explicit detail on your death.
Next time you find a "Griefer" Open a conversation with him and state something like "ahh, good job you got me" and chances are you'll see they're just out for fun and have a good conversation.
P.S. Hate to burst your "hero" bubble here but Goonswarm are the guys that make your average "griefer" look like a saint. Members commonly even used the promise of recruitment to steal people's stuff and the leaders allow it. It's gotten to the point where scamming people of their stuff with promise of recruitment is almost synonymous with them.
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
perhaps I am an ideot
one of the rules is no smack talking, which sure wont last long
I agree
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:38:00 -
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Bring some of those hated griefers into low/null sec and I'll shoot them, free of charge.
In that side of EVE, there is only blue and dead
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:46:00 -
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OP, is Ninja Salvaging Griefing?
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.21 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 21/10/2008 15:51:52
OP: Suck it up, buttercup!
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
How the hell do you think GoonSwarm started? They mass recruited noobs and all grew together.
Hey guys, I'm getting tired of riding bikes  , wanna go play Eve?
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: BloodBird on 21/10/2008 16:53:58
Originally by: Celora Venustas
What are yours and your corp's thoughts on griefers?
Griefing: "A griefer is a player who plays a game simply to aggravate and harass other players.
Griefers differ from typical players in that they do not play the game in order to achieve objectives defined by the game world. Instead, they seek to harass other players, causing grief. In particular, they may use tools such as stalking, hurling insults, and exploiting unintended game mechanics. Griefing as a gaming play style is not simply any action that may be considered morally incorrect.
Though the staff of each online game defines griefing in a manner that best fits their game, certain criteria must be met for an action to be considered griefing. An act of griefing involves the following three types of actions to be considered grief play:
The use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers.
The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics.
The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person."
In effect: Goonswarm are Griefers, pirates and the like are ordinary players.
Unless the above fits the actions of the people you refer to as "griefers", they are merely players of one form or another.
You asked, so here are my ideas on "griefers", note that the people this applies to are not griefers in your generalized extent, but mostly pirates, scammers, smack-talkers and other negatively-toned tendencies:
The above mentioned actions are things that I as a person steers clear of as a player. I do this simply because I prefer not to do any of them.
I don't smack, I used to when i was "younger" but after being smacked by only the gods know how many fools it got tasteless and I stopped.
I don't scam people, because I like the fact that one's name MEANS something in this game and if people can't trust me to keep my word when it matters I've lost a bit as a player in EVE. Secondly I find it morally objective.
I definitely don't pirate people, simply because I like my sec-rating and my ability to enter high-sec for wars, trade etc. I used to have a low standing because I'd open fire on known pirates that had not yet become flashy, when I could. If you always wait for the pirate to fire first (when he is fully prepared) to avoid the sec-loss your going to have a though time as a Vigilante, trust me on that.
Regardless of what YOU might think of them, pirates, scammers and smack-tards are indeed players too, in other words, other people. wishing them dead IRL or treating them as you do is not just stupid, it's as childish as smack-talking and makes you look like a fool. I consider pirates and others to be people too and treat them accordingly unless I'm roleplaying, (My character *HATE* pirates with a burning passion) and even then I'll keep things level-headed and don't fall into stupid tendencies like think less of the person for his pirating habits.
Deep down I like pirating as a system and I'm glad - something you don't seem to be - that CCP allows it. It grants me an endless supply of potentially skilled foes to kill, simply because it's more risky, rewarding and more challenging to fight a pirate than an industrialist. While I don't "like" pirates, I like that they exist and can respect the player behind the -10, something you don't seem able too.
EVE is a game and thousands of people love to play the evil pirate bad-guy, most that play the "good-guy" (there are none) claim to be anti-pirate because they got hurt or killed by a pirate/scammer/smacker/whatever at some point. Those are usually the ones with little skill and big mouths that drag the anti-pirate ideal into the mud, JUST LIKE YOU DO.
The rest of your post is trash in my eyes. The idea will never work, for mutiple reasons you will see of you try.
PS: Alt-troll spotted.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 16:58:00 -
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To be honest, this says it all about griefing in Eve:
'Griefing' is the most massively overused term in Eve.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:06:00 -
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and ofc, let's not forget
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low26
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:12:00 -
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Who are you to tell me how to play the game? Ever heard of something called risk vs. reward? You want no risk and all reward? Stay in a NPC corp if you dont want to be war decked its that simple. IMO you guy's get popped because
1. You have big mouths and wont back it up
2. You whine and get the game nerfed 
3.You want no risk v reward
4. WoW is that way -->
And by the way carebears are the biggest bunch of whinners and smacktards in Eve and therefore deserve to die
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Le Sabre
Gallente
DaM Mining Kings ...InC
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.10.21 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Le Sabre on 21/10/2008 17:14:25
I'll add my two isk.
I'm yet to meet a 'pirate' or 'griefer' who was anything less than polite and helpfull when convo'd. One guy even replaced the brutix I was flying with his own pimped out brut, because he enjoyed the fight. (prolly a rare thing to happen but meh)
Griefers and pirates are people to, treat them with respect and be polite and you'll get the same back. 
In my opinion anyway. 
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:18:00 -
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Wat?
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Anarkii Minor
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wobbly Hog
Er....ummmm....wouldnt this make YOU griefers??
yeah it was which obvisouly means he is a griefer or troll, and is to ****ing stupid to realize this is the way CCP wanted the god damn game to be.
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Keeves
Minmatar
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:43:00 -
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TL;DR
Can you wardec/come shoot me now?
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
the united
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
The good people of the Eve Community have HAD ENOUGH!
He lost all credibility right here. No such thing as "good people" in Eve.
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Edited by: Celora Venustas on 21/10/2008 13:34:04
What are yours and your corp's thoughts on griefers?
Been harassed by some in the past? Received threats? War decÆd? EveryoneÆs had an experience involving griefers. Many of us are at war with them right now!
Griefers are the worst kind of people in the Eve Community - Always picking on newbies or miners/industrialists and harassing them; Smack talking, deliberately trying to make corporations fall apart. TheyÆve even made people quit the game! All for enjoyment, or for racking up numbers on a killboard, either way, itÆs pathetic. TheyÆre cowards!
One particular griefer, these guys are really sad, they killed an alt in a noob ship 10 times in a row and posted it on their killboard to raise their kill ratio.
Everyone has been affected by these despicable people, whether itÆs a bunch of industrialists, a newbie corp, young players from any corp. If not you personally, certainly your friends or corpmates have been affected.
The time has come for change.
The good people of the Eve Community have HAD ENOUGH!
ItÆs time to stand up and fight! Time for payback! Time to fight for what is right! Fight for JUSTICE! Time to put an end to the terror (grief)!
Time to unite the clans (corps)!
Join me and help me to forge the greatest highsec alliance the Eve Galaxy has ever seen!
Join the uprising! Join us, and together weÆll sweep across the empire space bringing death and destruction to the offenders! Punishing them for their crimes!
Are you excited?
ItÆs time to get psyched!
Put end the terror (grief)!
(and yes... this was intended to sound like something out of an epic movie =P)
Also, bolded the parts where you're an idiot.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.21 18:59:00 -
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This ponderous thread has a distinctive urine-like odor. 
Good posts by BloodBird and Khale though, even though I don't personally agree that Goonswarm should be considered "griefers" under the technical definition offered. While they certainly intend to make the game unpleasant for people, Eve is/was/can be unpleasant by design. Anyway Celora please update us regularly as to the, uh, progress of your operations.
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Rudy Metallo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.21 19:08:00 -
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CRY MOAR
I'll enjoy blowing up your ship and using your corpse as...personal amusement.
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Dihania
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:30:00 -
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/me rolls on the floor laughing my arse out
Good luck on your project there, hope you gather many pilots under your flag and fly it proud. And when you have your hopes high come to Tama.
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Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:32:00 -
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This thread delivers tbh.
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Marshall Jannsen
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:49:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the OP is just pulling everyones leg. There is no way anyone with more than a month in EVE could seriously post that.
I mean if it is serious:
You're proposing flying on down into low sec and what, killing all the pirates? Pirates, even those that attack new players, those who gatecamp, those who pod without profit, and those who sit outside stations waiting to pop you repeatedly, are legitimate businessmen. The primary thing that draws people to EVE is the very cutthroat nature of the gameplay.
This is directly to the OP. If you wipe out all the pirates that gang up on industrials in low sec, that ninja slow freighters going into Jita, or the players that scam nubbinz... what are you going to have? Free industry and mining for all? Mission running as the only form of combat? Go play Everquest or WoW if that's your thing. I personally like my dangerous, uncertain, and often hilarious future here.
Very little can be considered griefing in EVE. Even baiting nubkinz outside of their starter station and can flippers are within their rights to what they do. Really the only kind of griefing that can really occur in EVE either when someone deliberately hacks the system, or begins to stalk their prey outside the game.
I'm not going to insult the OP and call names, but seriously: let's get real here.
"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Take a man's fish, tell him he's lucky to be alive, and by tommorow he'll have caught another fish for you to steal."
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Lemage
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.10.21 20:55:00 -
[50]
So when all griefers are gone the world will be filled with bunnies, rainbows and fluffy things?
Hello Kitty MMO that way
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Rivur'Tam
X10 Punishment
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.21 21:01:00 -
[51]
to op
NO U!!!
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:05:00 -
[52]
Oh noes, it is the attack of the "!" posters.
What ever will we do? Somebody hold me!
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http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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de4deye
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:19:00 -
[53]
But.. I need to kill carebears, their tears fuel my ship . Nothing more fun than seeing a carebear  over me blowing their ship up.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.10.21 23:26:00 -
[54]
My thoughts on OP in order of likelyhood.
1. It is a troll
2. It is a "cunning" plan (as in "I've got a cunning plan" said Baldrick) to get lots of militant carebears in one place to save isk on war decs.
3. The OP is serious. 
I'd rule out option 3 but I've pirated some people who reacted in truly remarkable ways.
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Msgerbs
Gallente
Imperial Assualt Guild
Infused Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 00:25:00 -
[55]
Assuming the OP serious (doubtful):
You'd probably consider me greifing because I steal ore and try to kill your barge. But to me, it's simply having fun. And to be honest, I'd rather kill that "innocent" cruiser sitting next to you.
Assuming the OP is pulling a dubious trick:
Can I get join?
Assuming the OP is joking:
W00t for wasting my time.
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de4deye
Caldari
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:07:00 -
[56]
If an alliance is actually made like that (doubtful), I will be happier than a little kid in a candy store. No more having to wardec 15 different corps ftw. Make my day please carebears .
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Lorna Loot
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:07:00 -
[57]
\o/
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:16:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
One particular griefer, these guys are really sad, they killed an alt in a noob ship 10 times in a row and posted it on their killboard to raise their kill ratio.
troll spotted
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Killian Bekker
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.22 01:39:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Lorna Loot
\o/
I too can wait. Red Stars galore!
1) If you quit over losing an internet possession, you need to evaluate your life a little better.
2) If a CEO can't hold his corp together, then that corp was destined to fail anyhow.
3) Please make it easier for us to fight you.
4) Pirating isn't griefing.
5) If you don't like smack... Don't respond, or start it by saying crap like your opinions on our profession in local.
6) Funny spot to be posting this garbage in.
7) Stay in NPC Corp if you don't like war.
8) Don't undock if you fear losing an internet possession.
9) Quit if you can't deal with what's permitted in EVE.
10) Props to all my fellow Pirates.
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wide
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.22 02:30:00 -
[60]
Edited by: wide on 22/10/2008 02:31:17
I approve of this initiative. Convo "Saint Schala" for potential targets |
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Kita Radeon
Gallente
Hakata Group
Blade.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 03:50:00 -
[61]
lol, gl.
The main reason it wont work is it only takes a decent understanding of the game mechanics in order to **** people off. Great, you kill all the griefers in the game and made them cry irl.
What about the new players joining the game every day?
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Nalar Marnith
Minmatar
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.22 03:58:00 -
[62]
Come to low sec, we'd be happy to show you a good time.
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Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
Allied Caprican Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.22 05:07:00 -
[63]
Glad you are on the scene, I'm a bantam pilot, and these big mean hulks keep stealing all the asteroids. THEY ARE GRIEFING ME!! Please come kill them... Also they litter the asteroid fields with old secure containers, it makes things really ugly, which is GRIEFING right? Please help me get rid of them all..
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.22 06:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: ScaR97731
Such is the historical pattern of the very stupid, human race.
You're such a shining example of this.
~~~Keep on postin' you beautiful butterfly.~~~o7o7o7o7o7
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.10.22 07:45:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Never going to happen with the people in High Sec. They will not band together for the Greater Good. They will run to Momma CCP to moan and groan that the Bad People are giving them grief. They will never do anything for themselves.
There is some serious wisdom here.
Also huge majority of high sec inhabitants will not only never do anything for themselves, but are also usually the easier target the more they bunch together.
Still very amusing OP, thanks for a good read.
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Zar Terra
MacroIntel
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:21:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Lots of hyperbolic ranting
Yeah....you go right on ahead...
I'll be right behind you with some looters and salvagers.
Also....
your stuff, can I has?
-= NightShifter =-
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 08:42:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Garreck
To be honest, this says it all about griefing in Eve:
'Griefing' is the most massively overused term in Eve.
Nah, it's around #3, behind 'whine' and 'can I have your stuff'.
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Neo Rainhart
Caldari
Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2008.10.22 09:43:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Griefers are the worst kind of people in the Eve Community
NO U
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.22 09:49:00 -
[69]
Originally by: UrsaeMajoris
Edited by: UrsaeMajoris on 21/10/2008 15:21:33
And just how do you define when an individual/corp/alliance meets your criteria of being griefers?
For example, if a guy was to can flip you - would you immediately dismiss this as griefing?
of course not.
Originally by: UrsaeMajoris
Point I'm trying to convey here is that true griefing isn't such an easy distinction to make and whatever it is in EVE that falls under the definition of "griefing" is always subjective.
Just because a corp decs a bunch of industrialists doesn't mean their intentions are to grief - for most players, making tears usually takes a backseat to making ISK.
I'm well aware of this. Read the whole entire post again.
I'm talking about players who're actively trying to make corps fall apart and players leave the game.
I'm talking about continuous harassment over months and months.
Following players/corps as they corp jump and/or form new corps. Following them as they move to systems 15+ jumps away.
Players that smack talk etc, and do nothing but kill noobs.
These are the worst kind of people. The worst kind of bullies who should be punished for their despicable and disgusting actions.
Griefers Beware... The End is Near! |
Vharl Ochre
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 10:21:00 -
[70]
Well good luck with your alliance
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:09:00 -
[71]
Good luck with your endeavours - and please keep the C&P community updated. After all we are part of the 'good people of the Eve Community' too.
My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
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Gunja Ancient
30 ounces
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:18:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Vharl Ochre
Is it now that I get to ask for your stuff?
Na, I think there is a 24hr waiting period..oh wait...did I just grief you.....sorry
Quote:
Originally by: Face Palmer
Petition it. Say Australia is stuck, maybe they'll move it for you.
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Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:30:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.Cheers
Of course not.
But in doing so, realise that you're being a hypocrite, and are most likely going to fail miserably.
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Gunja Ancient
30 ounces
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:37:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Celora Venustas
There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.Cheers
Of course not.
But in doing so, realise that you're being a hypocrite, and are most likely going to fail miserably.
Bitter much?
Good luck with this Super Mega Griefer Killing Alliance thingy
Quote:
Originally by: Face Palmer
Petition it. Say Australia is stuck, maybe they'll move it for you.
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StainLessStealRat
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:38:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
[blah blah blah
Get over it and grow some nads
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Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:42:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Gunja Ancient
Originally by: Mickey Simon
Originally by: Celora Venustas
There's nothing wrong with forming alliances designed to kill griefers.Cheers
Of course not.
But in doing so, realise that you're being a hypocrite, and are most likely going to fail miserably.
Bitter much?
Good luck with this Super Mega Griefer Killing Alliance thingy
Why should I be bitter? I don't understand.
I don't engage in a lot of "griefing" but I've enough sense to know that trying to form an alliance to "get rid of all the griefers!" is a sort of griefing in itself, and I've also the sense to know that the people likely to join such an alliance are also not likely to have a lot of PvP experience, or be exceptionally skilled at PvP (there are exceptions, obviously). Compare that with the so called "griefer" corps who have pilots hungry to kill, and who have done so on numerous occaisions and who aren't afraid to lose their ship if it means a chance to do the same to someone else.
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Havohej
Minmatar
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.22 11:58:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Originally by: Wobbly Hog
Er....ummmm....wouldnt this make YOU griefers??
umm no. It's punishing the griefers for their wrong doing. It's giving the Highsec community their freedom back!
These "griefers" aren't your ordinary corps war dec'ing over disputes or asteroids etc.. they're People who deliberately want to ruin the game for others.
Nothing wrong with mercs, and pirates if that's what you're doing as a role.
GoonSwarm lives in 0.0, not highsec. wuts goin on in dis thred?
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:05:00 -
[78]
I have never griefed a single person in Eve. Ever.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:06:00 -
[79]
This thread delivers... the OP has failed so stunningly, and it has just got better since then.
Declaring war on a corp for ransom is not greifing. It is a way of making money. If this is how you're attempting to make money, it only makes sense that you do as much damage a possible, so that your target takes you seriously.
If your target doesn't pay up, then you can either drop the wardec (and thereby demonstrate that you don't have the will to take the wardec to its conclusion) or you can keep going until they do pay, or members stop logging in/ corporation falls apart.
In the case that the corp falls apart and you still haven't recieved the cash, wardeccing the corp which the CEO moves to could be considered a rather wise move... you're showing that you not only have the will to follow the wardec to its conclusion, but also that you'll follow it to its meta-conclusion (namely that you'll get your money somehow, no matter how long it takes, how many decs it requires, etc).
This isn't griefing.
This is ensuring that in future, if you wardec a target, they'll know that you're serious, and be more likely to pay up.
But anyway, I wish you all the success in the world... your alliance sounds like the most hilarious target ever, and I'm dying to get involved, so thanks!
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Havohej
Minmatar
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:06:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Jack Gates
I have never griefed a single person in Eve. Ever.
So you're going to give me back my "recruitment processing fee", then?
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:15:00 -
[81]
I would like to join the griefers, where do i sign up?
And lastly dont forget to check out the link in my signature..
"the majority of men has been dealt cards to a game they do not know how to play |
PenisTugger
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:18:00 -
[82]
Thread delivers, Troll 9/10
sheet i just paosted
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Jack Gates
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:29:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Jack Gates
I have never griefed a single person in Eve. Ever.
So you're going to give me back my "recruitment processing fee", then?
I'm a legitimate businessman and well-known recruiter. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Lando Paladin
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:56:00 -
[84]
this alliance idea while altruistic in nature (from the point of view of carebears) is bound to fail.
True griefers are all the lone ones hiding out in the NPC corps. they are the ones to stay in NPC corps knowing full well they can behave like asshats and never suffer a wardec, typically they ride around in crapola T1 disposable ships insured to the hilt and primary purpose is simply to force PVP on a unwilling participent, you cant really call even a kestrel taking on a bantam or osprey fitted with nothing but mining lasers PVP - its simply lame ship shooting, even the idiota NPC's attempt to put up a decent fight.
So how is a alliance going to stop that? you cant wardec a NPC corp. even if all your alliance members can shoot during the aggro counter at a griefer they are simply getting what they wanted.
As for the larger "griefer corps" who take delight in shutting down POS's etc. Wealthy carebear corps already have a number of avenues to deal with them.
1: pay for their own security force. Hire their own PVP'rs and give them ships, ammo and isk to look after their corp.
2: Pay off whoever griefs them like the mafia protection thing, accept its a cost of doing business and being weak and put their prices up to compensate.
3: use the money the griefer ransom wants to pay a much better merc corp to grief the griefers.
4: stop being whiney, poney up, join a REAL alliance and head for nullsec where resource gatherers and PVP'rs gain mutual benefit.
Its very simple. good carebear corps are huge isk generators, they can easily spend billions on hiring the games best mercs to grief their enemies 24/7. they will always have more resources than the griefers so its easy to shut them down, if you arent a rich enough corp to do that then you should consider merging and not running a mom and pop operation.
Mainly people get griefed because they either dont stand up for their own interests, or are too greedy to pay out their isk to others to look after their interests. But if you play the game the right way you won't ever get griefed in empire.
so all your alliance is doing is smacking (all the wrong targets) into griefing your members even more.
Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold and with surprise. a Carebear should never alert their opponent to the amount of pain they are unleashing upon them via mercs/
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Dax Ee'nnach
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:18:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
You can't deny that the following isn't pathetic: A 3 year old player going around killing only newbies who're less than 2months old. Furthermore this player creates an alt on a trial account and kills that trial account alt many times when it's in its noob ship. And then posts it on a killboard!
The killing noobs thing is pathetic, but the whole "creates an alt on a trial account and kills that trial account alt many times when it's in its noob ship" ... uh, so what. The guy gets his jollys over pew pewing himself. I suppose he also gets jollies over being ridiculed about his bloat killboards - I mean aren't killboards to brag about ... and what's there to brag about when all you did was blow up you alt in a noobigate?
Sounds like you have more of a problem with this then many others, you've mentioned this 3 year player a couple of times. What's really going on here?
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Julien makka
The Mutineers
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:27:00 -
[86]
Im a griefer. Im in a griefer corp.
I take pride in the fact that we are unrivaled in the amount and quality of smack we daily produce. Killing carebears is one of our favourite activities. We also eat babies.
Please, try and stop us. :)
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Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Safespot Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:35:00 -
[87]
An honest griefer is a wonderful thing.
Peace and love,
Josh
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 16:04:00 -
[88]
you my friend is on dangerous grounds. You have to make sure that you define the word grief correct.
Some merc corps operates by a werry low information policy, and many of these "noob" corps actualy bring it to them selfs by not being able to control there members.
Many many many wars in eve are startet by words (smack/trash talk) and when a corp ends up in a war they scream griiiiiief but the case is that some of there members actualy brought it down on them selfs. Sometimes you should think twice if a guy on local say *stop that talk or we send a war dec* because there are quit a few who will do that in an instant.
There are griefers out there, seen plenty, war decced plenty. But there are also those who earn isk that way from client, or that simply dont take smack easely.
Because of the "defenition" on the word grief i promise you that i will be in the first coalition that will fight the empire wannabe concord.....in eve, the bad guys tends to be the good guys and the good guys cant figure out where to begin eating a donut, there is no way in, you have to bite the ring....
"this is not alliance bla bla so bla alliance bla bla"
TBear
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Leon vanUber
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:24:00 -
[89]
Originally by: DubanFP
Edited by: DubanFP on 21/10/2008 16:54:25
Sorry but anti-pirates tend to be the biggest smacktards you'll ever meet. Most of these "griefers" are just out for fun and know how to take being beaten themselves because they've been on both sides. A carebear however will spend half an hour going into explicit detail on your death.
Next time you find a "Griefer" Open a conversation with him and state something like "ahh, good job you got me" and chances are you'll see they're just out for fun and have a good conversation. Most carebears only get harrassed by "griefers" after they've made an idiot out of themselves in chat.
^this
i dont see the problem in miner/industrial corps being disbanded by empire wardecs.
i once participated in a war against a miner/industrial corp that was being wardecced for their ceo being a smacktard. we killed his members, camped them in station, used locator agents to find the ones hiding ect.
it was obvious that said corp didnt stand a chance, all we demanded was an apology to drop the dec. he didnt want to apologize and continued smack talking, so we continued until his corp was decimated from about 30 people to less then 5.
we didnt want to kill his corp entirely, so we decided to drop the dec at that time.
our corp consisted of only 5 people.
i blame the ceo for the fall of his corp, all he had to do was to stop smacktalking and apologize. yet we were called griefers for making people leave his corp or even quit the game.
miners and industrialists call everyone griefer, be it some corp wardeccing them for understandable reasons, or some noobcorp guy popping their barge through use of aggro mechanics.
that being said, form that alliance, i cant wait for you guys to get your asses handed to you by the next best 'griefer' corp bored enough to bother with you.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.10.22 19:25:00 -
[90]
You missed the point of this game, there is no "good guys" and "bad guys". Eve is the rat race - a quarter million people clawing at each other to get ahead of the rest of the pack.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.10.22 22:53:00 -
[91]
Trolled hard.
In the event that this is not a troll, although I am 99.9% certain it is:
1. Prepare to get ****d.
2. Get the **** out.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.10.23 05:59:00 -
[92]
Finally someone will do something about griefers! I hate those people! They are the lowest of the lowest!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Prof Patpending
Bodgit and Scarper Industrial
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Posted - 2008.10.23 06:16:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
(and yes... this was intended to sound like something out of an epic movie =P)
Keep up the practice there buddy.
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Elienee
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Posted - 2008.10.23 08:01:00 -
[94]
Hehehe...
Those hardcore players who call them PVP and the rest carebears, does not like that we carebeasr have a name on them: Griefers! Suck it up PVP boys, that is your negative nickname. Its about time you get on as well |
Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:59:00 -
[95]
I just grief griefers on the forums with my trusty alt.
I think I'm developing my own griefer fan base. And the hate evemails I get makes it all the more worthwhile  .
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:30:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Elienee
Hehehe...
Those hardcore players who call them PVP and the rest carebears, does not like that we carebeasr have a name on them: Griefers! Suck it up PVP boys, that is your negative nickname. Its about time you get on as well
Griefer? You called me griefer? Ugh! That just cuts so deep, the pain, oh, the pain!
One thing I'll say about carebears though, they are great with talk. I just hope this goes beyond talk 'cause it'll be one of the best things to happen to pirates in a long time!
I can hardly wait for th time we'll be able to wardec a large percentaage of carebears with a single wardec. Unless you dec us first, of course.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:47:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Elienee
Those hardcore players who call them PVP and the rest carebears, does not like that we carebeasr have a name on them: Griefers! Suck it up PVP boys, that is your negative nickname. Its about time you get on as well
I wish I could post with my other character, but he was banned from the forums.
If he could post he would write:
I love being called a Griefer in local. It means I am doing my job.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.23 15:15:00 -
[98]
if only OP was serious... |
Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.23 16:30:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Celora Venustas on 23/10/2008 16:31:15
this community is truly unique.... if u step into any other MMO.. like WoW for example... you people are like level 70s killing level 20s in WoW.. if you do that sort of thing you get slandered hardcore.
a real gamer goes to war with someone of similar or greater status. someone with a challenge.
killing new/young players is pathetic. (exceptions apply - smack talkers and ****heads)
if you can't understand the fact that this thread is purely about that.. then you seriously misunderstood the original post.
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Jenny Parker
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Posted - 2008.10.23 16:42:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Jenny Parker on 23/10/2008 16:42:25
I'm gonna grief you |
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.23 17:56:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Traidor Disloyal on 23/10/2008 17:59:11
Originally by: Celora Venustas
A Griefer in my book is one that picks ONLY on players much weaker than himself, and without any justifiable reason.
Well, that is just crap in my book. Here I thought my other character (the forum banned one) was a griefer but he isn't due to:
1. The 5 man corp he belongs to has war decced Space Weaponry And Trade, An alliance. A carebear one but still an alliance. An alliance who does not post their losses (shame on them ).
2. He helps kill mission runners in high sec who are more then capable of defending themselves.
3. He does kill others who are weaker then himself but he also has a reason for doing it. It's all about the explosions. The pretty pretty explosions.
And the reason the 5 man corp war decced SWAT was because they kicked us out for "griefing" in High Sec. Well aint that the ****s?
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Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:16:00 -
[102]
perhaps i still wasn't clear enough... post edited.
Griefers Beware... The End is Near! |
Stele Toque
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:37:00 -
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If I risk my neck for you, will I get a chance to kill Englishmen? |
soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.23 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Demitria Fernir
if only OP was serious...
this would be a good show
fixd
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Killian Bekker
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.23 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Celora Venustas
this community is truly unique....
if u step into any other MMO. like WoW for example
This isn't any other MMO, it's EVE... It's most definitely NOT WoW and it would be great if people stopped trying to make it that way.
Now, back to the topic at hand. I'm an equal opportunist when it comes to being a Pirate. I steal cans/wrecks, break your missions in an effort for the fight that sometimes ensues. I want your loot, I want your ship and I want that ransom. How I get it isn't important, it's just that I get it.
Extortion, Camping and the plethora of tools at my disposal (allowed my CCP mind you) are simply game mechanics. I don't care if your new, old or simply ignorant. You are a source of income. If smacking you gets you to fight back (the end goal anyway) or simply hounding you until you pay me works, then that's simply hunting my target until I get what I want.
I applaud your effort to praise Pirates and Mercs while despising "griefers", but all too often the simple tools of our trade is being referred to as "griefing". There is NO line that makes that distinction. One man's grief is another man's understanding that the game simply allows that to occur.
Yes, I agree that there is a point where it's excessive, but being a newbie doesn't exempt you from the game either. The rules don't say I cannot attack player X because his age is Y, which is Z younger than me. Being new isn't an excuse to not know how the game is played.
If that player cannot handle that, when why continue to play EVE at all? I undock my ship every day and deal with the consequences of doing so. I engage in hostile acts and deal with the consequences. Why should any other pilot be any different? They choose to mine, but they don't have to engage me simply because I'm flashy red. That Mission Runner knows that this mission may blow his ship to scrap, so why is it different when I roll in flashy red? That Mission Runner can simply not engage and go about his business. Lose the mission, get a new one. If you really want me to go away, then DON'T play into my game.
You respond, you pique my interest. You've stood out. Now you will be hunted until I get what I want. Usually ISK or your ship in a slightly less assembled form. So, where's the line drawn? I'm a Pirate, but considered a "griefer" or "n00b" for what I do? What I'm allowed to do because the game was designed that way?
No. I'm not a "griefer", but I do cause grief. I do ruin your mission, your ratting experience or hours of mining. I do wardec those that don't pay up. I do hunt players that smack me. I do hunt those that don't give up their ship or their ISK. I am a hunter and I hunt bears... carebears.
I PvP with those that choose to engage. Those that wish to do harm upon my ship and my capsule. Those that seek to avenge their comrades, corp or ship. I am hunted by the new, the old and the ignorant alike. This is the consequences of my actions, but I do not complain. This is how the game is played.
This is our MMO and if someone can't handle it, then play all these other MMOs in which they find so much more merit that they must try and impose THAT game onto THIS one. This my friends, this is EVE and not the faint of hearts MMO! It's time some people learned to accept that. Life isn't fair. I pay to play EVE, not WoW or any other MMO. So the choice really is yours.
Undock? Are you sure? The cancel button is there for a reason. Yes? Then come and get a lesson in life. Nothing is free. Earn your keep and defend it well. Pay to live, or fight to live. A "griefer" isn't going to go away with your silly alliance. Their target list might shrink, but they will still be out there. Have you made yourself worth the effort? Do they want to die by your hand or through your money of another? Have you paid your respects? Again I ask. Undock? Are you sure?
If you can't answer this without a doubt in your mind. Then maybe EVE isn't for you. Undock? Are you sure? |
Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.23 21:47:00 -
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/me heartily applauds Killian
Very well siad! |
Celora Venustas
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Celora Venustas on 24/10/2008 11:23:30
dude... you're completely right... but what has that got to do with this thread?
this thread isn't a complaint about griefer.... it's a thread about a war that is coming. and it's to generate interest from potential recruits.
Griefers are merely the target of this campaign and I only go into so much detail about them to raise the emotions people have felt towards them. It's advertising, persuasion....
Griefers Beware... The End is Near! |
PenisTugger
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Stele Toque
If I risk my neck for you, will I get a chance to kill Englishmen?
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Would you give your lives for one chance, JUST one chance to say no, YOU CANNOT CAREBEAR
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:30:00 -
[109]
Carebears Aren't Players.
You want to revenge for griefers? call mercs.
You don't want to scratch that wonderfull CNR of yours now, do you? |
Lando Paladin
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:22:00 -
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The best thing they could do is simply stop people playing the entire game in NPC corps.
The biggest smacktards (both carebears and griefers) are permenant residents in NPC corps knowing full well they can use the aggression mechanics to dodge consequences for their griefing/smack.
Every player corp member knows whatever actions they take not only has consequences for them but their entire corp including empire. The ability to hide behind concord and a NPC corp free of a wardec is what allows the hardcore lone griefers/carebear smackers to operate and both groups are bad as each other.
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Stig Caldar
Exodus Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.10.24 16:27:00 -
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This thread has fail written all over it.
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Killian Bekker
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.24 21:26:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Celora Venustas
Griefers are merely the target of this campaign and I only go into so much detail about them to raise the emotions people have felt towards them. It's advertising, persuasion....
I understand completely. My post was directed at 2 types of people. First, the ones that think an alliance will deter, reduce or eliminate griefers is missing the fact that they won't go away and may be inspired to be worse. That's my opinion, but based off of observation of how griefers (in any game) seem to operate.
The second type are the ones that just grate my nerves. To be honest, most of my post was directed at them. Just easier to get the point across for the OP.
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2008.10.25 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 25/10/2008 16:49:39
Originally by: Celora Venustas
This post was originally posted in a alliances/wars summit thread... why a GM moved the post to Crime & Punishment?? I don't know.
Because you're speaking about punishing random groups of pirating individuals. Punishing. Quote:
This isn't a thread complaining about griefers... it's a statement that a war is coming! I go into many details discussing why this war has begun.
Huh? You don't want to complain about griefers but you want an entire thread to declare war? That's like saying you don't like dirty floors, but don't want to complain about it, and then begin broadcasting on public television a cross-country event that involves Mr. Clean as your mascot. Quote:
Griefers are the worst kind of people in the Eve Community - Always picking on newbies or miners/industrialists and harassing them; Smack talking, deliberately trying to make corporations fall apart. TheyÆve even made people quit the game! All for enjoyment, or for racking up numbers on a killboard, either way, itÆs pathetic. TheyÆre cowards!
Cowards? I think your silly acts of taking smaller numbers and inferior fighters against a larger force isn't courageous, but absolutely ridiculous. A knight in shining armor against a group of a thousand is going to get his shiny ass handed to him. Story tales of heroics are nothing more than that, story tales. The good guy doesn't always win. Charging blindly into an oncoming horde isn't always a miracle victory. You despise us for our methods, yet you're the one unhappy at the end of the day. Quote:
The time has come for change.
Your methods are that of a amateur dreamer. Your tactics revolve around sheer emotion and hope. It's a perfect fitting if you were writing a novel. Unfortunately the only thing you'll be writing is a petition to CCP for the astonishing amount of lost ships. |
K1RTH G3RS3N
Hanzai Soshiki
BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.25 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Elienee
Hehehe...
Those hardcore players who call them PVP and the rest carebears, does not like that we carebeasr have a name on them: Griefers! Suck it up PVP boys, that is your negative nickname. Its about time you get on as well
griefers sounds better then carebear...
carebear - soft plushy re-animated toy bear with homosexual posterior
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Killian Bekker
Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.25 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Killian Bekker on 25/10/2008 18:12:58
Originally by: K1RTH G3RS3N
griefers sounds better then carebear...
Lol, indeed. When's the last time a Pirate caused warm and fuzzy emotions when we plied our trade? |
Ulaanbator Tiki
The Yaar Offices of Pointe Webb and Podemall
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Posted - 2008.10.25 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ulaanbator Tiki on 25/10/2008 18:57:16
Originally by: Kiki Arnolds
Glad you are on the scene, I'm a bantam pilot, and these big mean hulks keep stealing all the asteroids. THEY ARE GRIEFING ME!! Please come kill them... Also they litter the asteroid fields with old secure containers, it makes things really ugly, which is GRIEFING right? Please help me get rid of them all..
It sounds to me like you've witnessed several violations of the CONCORD Asteroid Protection Act, specifically Article 3, Sections B, C and F.
As one of the charter members of the Placid Asteroid Conservation Group, the Yaar Offices of Pointe, Webb and Podemall are very interested in bringing justice to all people who pollute our asteroid belts.
Please contact us at 1-800-LUV-ROID!
[I Brake 4 Roids]
[Save A Roid, Kill a Miner] |
wdwjhdw
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Posted - 2008.10.25 22:01:00 -
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Wardecs are getting changed anyway, as CCP regard them as pay-to grief in their current form, and have labeled them as "high priority"
You abuse a game mechanic, it gets nerfed.
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