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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Taradis
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Malcanis It seems like I've seen a post to the effect that pretty much everything is getting a nerf one way or the other.
So what's still going to be any good?
(STFU about Falcons, seriously. Falcons cant kill an AFK autopiloting hauler before it reaches the gate (I've tried). Yes, a balanced gang should have EW and yes the Falcon is the best general purpose EW ship because it's completely specialised in EW. I know already.)
Anything Caldari, all the HICs, most Amarr stuff...
oh, and F A L C O N S
I heard that caldari force recons might be doing well post patch
Meh I'm not gonna complain too much about them, I probaly should be flying them seeing as I have good skills in recons and in ew and caldari cruiser 5.... I just prefer my minmatar ships. as for rr bs gangs, i sooooooo wanna drop a smart bomb/eccm burst typhoon right in the middle of one of those gangs.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/10/2008 12:39:24 Blaming the falcons for blobs is a bit overdone Ugluuk, donŠt you think ?
Falcons are quite counterable. I should know, IŠve died in one on more then one occasion. All it needs is one or two ships setup to counter them, and youŠll take out the falcons like theyŠre friggin ibises.
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Cautet
Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 22/10/2008 12:50:07
Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy..
That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled..
I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs)
Can't see them actually getting many kills vs a ten man gang or indeed any gang. They would have been better off with 1/2 falcons and 2/3 logistics ships and/or extra battleships. If they are fighting on gates most/all of the enemy can deagress and jump through. If on stations then most/all enemies could redock. Not many situations where 5 falcons can help more than a balanced gang.
edit: Why megas? And if megas then why not rapiers or hugins to hold people in place so megas can get in range? If long range they would need a dedicated tackler also. Seems a very unbalanced gang they had there.
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Comae Berenices
The Trillion ISK Project
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Posted - 2008.10.22 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz RR bs gangs will be the next FOTM, you heard it here first
This!
And it's great for the whole game. And there will be lots of damps/jams too.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy..
That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled..
I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs)
Yeah reminds me of engaging 4 People under sentry aggro last time in my Hype, was quite fun untill her Falcon decloaked. Fit a ECCM and overlaod? I did but didnŠt helped in any way.
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
Didn't you get the memo from the 'falcon is fine' brigade?
If you don't have 3 sniper BS and fly with 10 people minimum you are not flying your ship properly.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:18:00 -
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Gallente AF's, wolf, rupture, vexor, maller, carcal and moa, all BC's, all Bs's except blasters will need to double web opponents to dream of keeping them pinned CS's, HIC's.
So yeah, anything with a tank.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: The Djego
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
Didn't you get the memo from the 'falcon is fine' brigade?
If you don't have 3 sniper BS and fly with 10 people minimum you are not flying your ship properly.
It has very little to do with the falcon.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: The Djego
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
Didn't you get the memo from the 'falcon is fine' brigade?
If you don't have 3 sniper BS and fly with 10 people minimum you are not flying your ship properly.
I allways forget about this, damn. Solo PVP? Damn what was I thinking, im so stupid sometimes it isnŠt even funny to me.
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 22/10/2008 13:22:27
Originally by: Malcanis
So what's still going to be any good?
Amarr and caldari(depending on the new missile formula) ships, preferably BC, recons or BS.
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Cautet
Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy..
That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled..
I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs)
Yeah reminds me of engaging 4 People under sentry aggro last time in my Hype, was quite fun untill her Falcon decloaked. Fit a ECCM and overlaod? I did but didnŠt helped in any way.
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
So..... you fought a group of 5 whilst under sentry fire and you lost.....and your conclusion is that falcons need to be nerfed....hmmm. Not exactly the conclusion I would have come to in that circumstance. Shame they didn't bring 5 falcons instead of 4 damage dealers and 1 falcon. You could have tanked them forever then.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 22/10/2008 13:42:57
Originally by: Cautet
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy..
That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled..
I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs)
Yeah reminds me of engaging 4 People under sentry aggro last time in my Hype, was quite fun untill her Falcon decloaked. Fit a ECCM and overlaod? I did but didnŠt helped in any way.
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
So..... you fought a group of 5 whilst under sentry fire and you lost.....and your conclusion is that falcons need to be nerfed....hmmm. Not exactly the conclusion I would have come to in that circumstance. Shame they didn't bring 5 falcons instead of 4 damage dealers and 1 falcon. You could have tanked them forever then.
Myrmidon, Harbinger, Thorax, Aribrator, Sentrys vs Hype, why not? Was well worth a try, and I didnŠt dualrepp/heavytank the Hype, realy was a fun fight instead of a easy gank, before the Falcon kicked in... ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.22 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cautet
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy..
That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled..
I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs)
Yeah reminds me of engaging 4 People under sentry aggro last time in my Hype, was quite fun untill her Falcon decloaked. Fit a ECCM and overlaod? I did but didnŠt helped in any way.
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
So..... you fought a group of 5 whilst under sentry fire and you lost.....and your conclusion is that falcons need to be nerfed....hmmm. Not exactly the conclusion I would have come to in that circumstance. Shame they didn't bring 5 falcons instead of 4 damage dealers and 1 falcon. You could have tanked them forever then.
NO what he was saying is he was COMPETING in that fight until a falcon uncloaked. It's the only ship that can claim that stat. Once a falcon uncloaks you are screwed 100% of the time. Rapier? You can nab those, if they uncloak too close. Curse? Boosters. Arazu? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Cautet
Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:09:00 -
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With the curse even with your boosters you are no longer competing once he gets his neuts on you. Plus he is tracking disrupting and doing damage.
With a rapier - you are not competing in a blaster ship once a rapier gets hold of you. Plus he is doing damage.
With another dps ship - you might get lucky and kill something, I guess - but that relys on them making a mistake - and that falcon might accidentaly warp to you at 0.
With an arazu - well if you are blaster fitted then it still gets the long distance warp disrupt which means the tacklers can back off slightly and risk less.
I can see how the falcon is frustrating to fight against. That alone does not make a ship overpowered. I can also see how many ships in eve are frustrating to fight against, and that cloaked ships are amongst the most frustrating.
Just think how frustrated you would be if a guardian came in and started repping your targets - you are just as much out of the fight then.
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Foruman
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cautet
With the curse even with your boosters you are no longer competing once he gets his neuts on you. Plus he is tracking disrupting and doing damage.
With a rapier - you are not competing in a blaster ship once a rapier gets hold of you. Plus he is doing damage.
With another dps ship - you might get lucky and kill something, I guess - but that relys on them making a mistake - and that falcon might accidentaly warp to you at 0.
With an arazu - well if you are blaster fitted then it still gets the long distance warp disrupt which means the tacklers can back off slightly and risk less.
I can see how the falcon is frustrating to fight against. That alone does not make a ship overpowered. I can also see how many ships in eve are frustrating to fight against, and that cloaked ships are amongst the most frustrating.
Just think how frustrated you would be if a guardian came in and started repping your targets - you are just as much out of the fight then.
you are either amazingly ignorant or just a troll who fly falcons
Me>You
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Cautet
Celestial Apocalypse Resurgency
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Posted - 2008.10.22 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 22/10/2008 14:24:33
Originally by: Foruman
Originally by: Cautet
With the curse even with your boosters you are no longer competing once he gets his neuts on you. Plus he is tracking disrupting and doing damage.
With a rapier - you are not competing in a blaster ship once a rapier gets hold of you. Plus he is doing damage.
With another dps ship - you might get lucky and kill something, I guess - but that relys on them making a mistake - and that falcon might accidentaly warp to you at 0.
With an arazu - well if you are blaster fitted then it still gets the long distance warp disrupt which means the tacklers can back off slightly and risk less.
I can see how the falcon is frustrating to fight against. That alone does not make a ship overpowered. I can also see how many ships in eve are frustrating to fight against, and that cloaked ships are amongst the most frustrating.
Just think how frustrated you would be if a guardian came in and started repping your targets - you are just as much out of the fight then.
you are either amazingly ignorant or just a troll who fly falcons
I promised myself I wouldn't post in another falcon thread because I get dragged into answering flames from trolls. Oh well last post.
Anyway let me explain it to you:
He is under sentry fire in a blaster ship. Hence he can't use drones. Hence he can't even do damage to a rapier or a curse or arazu, all of which can stay out of his range.
He might be using a heavy neut which makes things more interesting although he wouldn't be able to do anything vs the arazu. And some of the ships might be using ecm drones (esp. thorax). However hes not going to beat 5 ships under sentry gun fire. And the game shouldn't be balanced around fighting 5 ships under sentry fire.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.10.22 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver its a cycle, people will find new ways to pwn other people for years, after years, ccp will make changes again, and so on and so on.
the problem isnt the nerfing, the problem is that they wait godamn years before they do it. they have something thats overpowered but instead of addressing it quickly, years pass and then they address it, and wonder why everyone is going wtf...
one such case is the nos nerf.
Like how this is the 3rd speed nerf? __________________________________________________________
Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: The Djego
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
Didn't you get the memo from the 'falcon is fine' brigade?
If you don't have 3 sniper BS and fly with 10 people minimum you are not flying your ship properly.
I allways forget about this, damn. Solo PVP? Damn what was I thinking, im so stupid sometimes it isnŠt even funny to me.
If you're fighting a falcon you've already been handed a losing hand because you're fighting TWO ships (at least).
This isn't a defense of the Falcon - I recognize what it is and all that. It's just that decrying the falcon as the death of solo pvp is silly. Hell, falcons give pilots the balls to engage at a mere 2:1 odds. Normally those people wouldn't go into a fight without an entire fleet.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 22/10/2008 17:38:20 Edited by: Malcanis on 22/10/2008 17:35:55
Originally by: Ugluuk 4 days ago i met a gang consisting of 3 Megathron and 5 falcons.. I asked them why they used so much ecm and they said: Why not, we can attack 10 bs this way and kill them easily as we smartbomb the drones..Smart setup indeed but damn boring for the enemy..
That is ofc an extreme example but Falcon has become the new WCS..A correctly fitted Falcon makes 4-5 BS struggle to hold 2 ships scrambled..
I also believe that Falcon is a reason to the insane blobbing in Eve these days..(they probably have a falcon or 2 guys, lets bring another 5 bs)
To my way of thinking, bringing more than 1 falcon per 4-5 gang members is simply a waste of a pilot. At the end of the day, someone has to tackle, tank and do DPS. That gang would have been much much better dropping 3 falcons for a HIC, A gangboosting commandship or a rapier/huginn, and maybe an ECCM sniper-raven/cerb/apoc. I mean sure with 5 falcons, not many gangs their size are gonna kill them, but with megathrons for tackling, who are they going to kill?
And even now tbh, I'm still used to being the only ECM ship in gang. The gang you encountered is still very much the exception. Most of the ones I encounter have about 1 ECM ship per 6-10 members, which I reckon is about right.
PS What was your gang in?
EDIT: You tainted my "falcon free" thread you scumbag!
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: The Djego
So yeah Falcons will still be ok, especialy in killing the last solo/small Gang PVP in Low Sec.
Didn't you get the memo from the 'falcon is fine' brigade?
If you don't have 3 sniper BS and fly with 10 people minimum you are not flying your ship properly.
I allways forget about this, damn. Solo PVP? Damn what was I thinking, im so stupid sometimes it isnŠt even funny to me.
If you're fighting a falcon you've already been handed a losing hand because you're fighting TWO ships (at least).
This isn't a defense of the Falcon - I recognize what it is and all that. It's just that decrying the falcon as the death of solo pvp is silly. Hell, falcons give pilots the balls to engage at a mere 2:1 odds. Normally those people wouldn't go into a fight without an entire fleet.
Wow Falcons and Balls in one sentence.
The problem is many people will not engage you if they are not shure they can dock, jump thrue a gate, win for shure, can shut you down compleetly or simply run(Nano, WCs). In short, many people donŠt actualy have balls to start fights that might be very close or even donŠt look winalbe on the first view. I personaly also would not start a fight where Im shure I donŠt have a chance to win, but I start fights that are not compleetly in my favour and I donŠt know in the start I will win for shure. This are the kind of fights that are the most fun because they are challanging and this kind of PVP requires Balls.
If this is fixed by having a Falcon ready or a overwhelming fleet there are still no balls in her pants in the end, just the confidence they will win without to mutch/no looses. Falcons donŠt give people balls, thats it you got some or you donŠt.
I even got jammed by a Falcon in a 7 vs 1(Mega vs mutliply BCs, Hics and Recons) as it started to donŠt run in her favour. Do I have to say more about "Balls" and Falcons?
---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis OK, so what *wont* suck after the patch?
Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title:
Your girl?
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Malcanis OK, so what *wont* suck after the patch?
Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title:
Your girl?
-Liang
Damn it somebody won the Thread right here right now. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title: Your girl? -Liang
Couldn't resist, sorry
My wife just dropped a phrase that nearly knocked me out of my chair "See what Eve does to people? They start thinking of girls as of "what""
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Ambrosious Martin
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Malcanis OK, so what *wont* suck after the patch?
Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title:
Your girl?
-Liang
Liang claims another victory!!!!!
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Efrim Black
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Wow Falcons and Balls in one sentence.
The problem is many people will not engage you if they are not shure they can dock, jump thrue a gate, win for shure, can shut you down compleetly or simply run(Nano, WCs). In short, many people donŠt actualy have balls to start fights that might be very close or even donŠt look winalbe on the first view. I personaly also would not start a fight where Im shure I donŠt have a chance to win, but I start fights that are not compleetly in my favour and I donŠt know in the start I will win for shure. This are the kind of fights that are the most fun because they are challanging and this kind of PVP requires Balls.
If this is fixed by having a Falcon ready or a overwhelming fleet there are still no balls in her pants in the end, just the confidence they will win without to mutch/no looses. Falcons donŠt give people balls, thats it you got some or you donŠt.
I even got jammed by a Falcon in a 7 vs 1(Mega vs mutliply BCs, Hics and Recons) as it started to donŠt run in her favour. Do I have to say more about "Balls" and Falcons?
The first part of your post is a summary of The Art of War. :D
I agree, Falcons are just whats effective at the moment... people always complain when something gets nerfed, and it's astonishing how copy/paste their arguments are. You can take a lot of the nano-whine threads and replace the words with NOS, and it just looks like a year old thread.
Adapt. Adapt. Adapt.
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:38:00 -
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Rifters.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:43:00 -
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AB + scram raptor.
Seriously. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Malcanis OK, so what *wont* suck after the patch?
Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title:
Your girl?
-Liang
owned
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.22 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Malcanis OK, so what *wont* suck after the patch?
Dude, I have to admit, the first thing I thought of when I read the thread title:
Your girl?
-Liang
owned
lol
but seriously falcons wont suck after patch, and you can take that to the bank ^^ ----------------------------------------- [Video] Tempest of Change |
Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.22 20:07:00 -
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I hear falcons are pretty good, and will continue to be after this patch, so I hear.
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