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Lustralis
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Posted - 2008.10.24 07:34:00 -
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Ok, can we have the obligatory "how many ravens will it take to suicide the Orca in high sec before Concord saves your life" thread.
Much obliged.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.24 07:45:00 -
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Lots.
If the orca pilot has a damage control II, as it doesn't REALLY need another expander, ****loads.
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Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2008.10.24 07:46:00 -
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Not to mention the orca has a ship maintenance array in it so you can get your squad of barges into fighting ships instantly. 
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.24 07:50:00 -
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Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Banana Torres
Look Ma I did a Test
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Posted - 2008.10.24 08:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin.
You used the wrong tense there, mate.
Which is why I am laughing at you all nerf whiners now. Was there an uproar on the forums when my alliance was nerfed? Nope. Do you think I am going to do anything but support the nerfs to games styles of all you ****ing hypocrites? |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin.
You used the wrong tense there, mate.
Which is why I am laughing at you all nerf whiners now. Was there an uproar on the forums when my alliance was nerfed? Nope. Do you think I am going to do anything but support the nerfs to games styles of all you ****ing hypocrites?
Because most of the serious players never 'uproar' about anything. (I assume you're talking about privateers?)
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panman
The Radiated Space Gerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.24 10:18:00 -
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Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced...
Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2008.10.24 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: panman
Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced...
Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future.
Well AFAIK the way it works at the moment is that some spotty kid (or facially or horizontally challenged Goon) develops an attachment to my worldly possessions and his corp war-decs me. After 24 hours, I can dock up and go play TF II for a while until the wardec is over. So my follow up question is: what exactly is wrong with the wardec mechanic in this respect?
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:09:00 -
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Depending on where (Let's Go easy on a 12-second-gank 0.5), how much tank the orca has (being a sub-capital ship, i'd say just a little bit more than a BC) and the shield/armor resistance (WTF)
i'd guess you'll need something around 25-30 Ravens. not worth it if you ask me.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:20:00 -
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Base 46k hull, 6900 armor, 9750 shield (800 base recharge, what the heck?), all regular base resists.
So, if you use a DC-II and nothing else, roughly about on par with a freighter.
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Strak Yogorn
Amarr
Farmer Killers
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin.
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 12:53:00 -
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wardec system is ok, as long as they fix the ability to insta leave corp / close corp / force poeople after say 6 months in a npc corp to pay 50% tax on all income.
if someone wants to leave a corp during war perhaps they have to pay a surrender fee to the deccers.
also perhaps an option in the war dec to add a cost to end the war, which show up on the target corps corp info they can pay at any time to stop the war within say 4 hours.
the main problem is people can avoid war by just leaving and 95% of all mission runners are in npc corps un touchable by most people
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Strak Yogorn
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin.
you cant ruin something thats already ruined.
LOL. OK, allow me to rephrase: "OBLITERATE COMPLETELY". There, better?  |
Cece Cline
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:20:00 -
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I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser.
Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec.
I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cece Cline
I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser.
Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec.
I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago.
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Deira Lenia
The Chaotic Order
Void.
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cece Cline
I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser.
Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec.
I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago.
I hold... A baseball bat. And im slinging it in the direction of your face.
Dude, if i can kick your eyes out of your skull in real life in less then 20 seconds (which is far too short for anyone to run up and scam/web me) Then why am i not allowed to harrass your officer fitted faction BS in a game for a few weeks?
Please let me know what car you drive, my rusty screwdriver needs new paint.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cece Cline
I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed.
Funny part engaged.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2008.10.24 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cece Cline
I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser.
Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec.
I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago.
I totally agree with your point of view. Note that they don't wardec capable corps, only people they think will be an easy gank. For this reason alone the whole concept is broken. It's just a charter for ass-hats with personal hygiene issues and social phobias to pick on someone smaller than themselves. Either way, avoiding it is pretty easy: leave corp or go and play another game  .
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: panman
Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced...
Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future.
Heh I remember those days. Noobs afraid to join corps. Corps disbanding and becoming chat channels for NPC corp members. Hell I understand that "alliance P" caused a noticable drop in CCPs number of corps being founded metric. You guys rocked! Of course at that point you where doomed. People not in player corps have a very high rate of canceled accounts. You guys are probably the only group ever to have the accounting department tell the design department that they WILL nerf you.
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Molly Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cece Cline
I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser.
Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec.
I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:15:00 -
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Wardecs would be okay if they just did all the stuff that I suggest they do. And none of the stuff that I don't suggest. |
Space Fascist
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Strak Yogorn
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin.
you cant ruin something thats already ruined.
CCP can.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:43:00 -
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any whining about wardecs can go bugger off back to halo3.
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:45:00 -
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I haz a plan. 
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Lisatrommi
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.24 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lustralis
Originally by: Cece Cline
I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage
I totally agree with your point of view. Note that they don't wardec capable corps, only people they think will be an easy gank. For this reason alone the whole concept is broken. It's just a charter for ass-hats with personal hygiene issues and social phobias to pick on someone smaller than themselves. Either way, avoiding it is pretty easy: leave corp or go and play another game .
A
I just wanted to highlight a couple things there.
Apparently you've never heard of MD-K (of the old days)
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lustralis
Originally by: panman
Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced...
Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future.
Well AFAIK the way it works at the moment is that some spotty kid (or facially or horizontally challenged Goon) develops an attachment to my worldly possessions and his corp war-decs me. After 24 hours, I can dock up and go play TF II for a while until the wardec is over. So my follow up question is: what exactly is wrong with the wardec mechanic in this respect?
what is wrong is that you get warned that you got decced, it should be more like
1)pass vote
2)undock
3)shoot unsuspecting vivtim EG. "hey guys, what does a red star mean?"
4)point and laugh
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/10/2008 15:12:43
Originally by: Akita T
Base 46k hull, 6900 armor, 9750 shield (800 base recharge, what the heck?), all regular base resists.
So, if you use a DC-II and nothing else, roughly about on par with a freighter.
20 ish torp ravens in a 0.5 then
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Omnoms
Amarr
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lustralis
Originally by: Cece Cline
I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most.
I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser.
Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec.
I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago.
I totally agree with your point of view. Note that they don't wardec capable corps, only people they think will be an easy gank. For this reason alone the whole concept is broken. It's just a charter for ass-hats with personal hygiene issues and social phobias to pick on someone smaller than themselves. Either way, avoiding it is pretty easy: leave corp or go and play another game .
I also totally agree with both of you
Most wardecs are carried out by small time griefers who get their kicks ruining other poeples fun.
If you wanna do PVP go to low sec.
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Omnoms
Amarr
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence.
actually no, you and your offensive small minded abuse are far more damaging to this game where poeple should be allowed to do what they want.
you are an offensive idiotic piece of work.
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wdwjhdw
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Posted - 2008.10.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence.
Unfortunately (for you) his money is as good as yours and CCP dont want people "going back to WOW", even if they never played WOW which you have no idea about with this guy.
If you had some male organs you would go to lowsec or nulsec, but you're so ****poor you have to run around highsec picking on the little guys. Truly pathetic.
CCP have stated they intend to change wardecs, and its people like you who exploit what was originally probably a good idea, so cry more and adapt, or leave and you wont be missed.
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