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Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.24 07:34:00 - [1] Ok, can we have the obligatory "how many ravens will it take to suicide the Orca in high sec before Concord saves your life" thread. Much obliged.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.10.24 07:45:00 - [2] Lots. If the orca pilot has a damage control II, as it doesn't REALLY need another expander, ****loads. ------------------------------------------
Braaage Ministry of Craft	Posted - 2008.10.24 07:46:00 - [3] Not to mention the orca has a ship maintenance array in it so you can get your squad of barges into fighting ships instantly. -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, Character Generator & more
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.24 07:50:00 - [4] Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Banana Torres Look Ma I did a Test	Posted - 2008.10.24 08:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. You used the wrong tense there, mate. Which is why I am laughing at you all nerf whiners now. Was there an uproar on the forums when my alliance was nerfed? Nope. Do you think I am going to do anything but support the nerfs to games styles of all you ****ing hypocrites?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.24 08:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. You used the wrong tense there, mate. Which is why I am laughing at you all nerf whiners now. Was there an uproar on the forums when my alliance was nerfed? Nope. Do you think I am going to do anything but support the nerfs to games styles of all you ****ing hypocrites? Because most of the serious players never 'uproar' about anything. (I assume you're talking about privateers?) Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart
panman The Radiated Space Gerbils	Posted - 2008.10.24 10:18:00 - [7] Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced... Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future. ----------------------- Resistance is not worth it
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.24 11:26:00 - [8] Originally by: panman Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced... Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future. Well AFAIK the way it works at the moment is that some spotty kid (or facially or horizontally challenged Goon) develops an attachment to my worldly possessions and his corp war-decs me. After 24 hours, I can dock up and go play TF II for a while until the wardec is over. So my follow up question is: what exactly is wrong with the wardec mechanic in this respect?
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.24 12:09:00 - [9] Depending on where (Let's Go easy on a 12-second-gank 0.5), how much tank the orca has (being a sub-capital ship, i'd say just a little bit more than a BC) and the shield/armor resistance (WTF) i'd guess you'll need something around 25-30 Ravens. not worth it if you ask me.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.10.24 12:20:00 - [10] Base 46k hull, 6900 armor, 9750 shield (800 base recharge, what the heck?), all regular base resists. So, if you use a DC-II and nothing else, roughly about on par with a freighter.
Strak Yogorn Amarr Farmer Killers	Posted - 2008.10.24 12:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. you cant ruin something thats already ruined.
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.24 12:53:00 - [12] wardec system is ok, as long as they fix the ability to insta leave corp / close corp / force poeople after say 6 months in a npc corp to pay 50% tax on all income. if someone wants to leave a corp during war perhaps they have to pay a surrender fee to the deccers. also perhaps an option in the war dec to add a cost to end the war, which show up on the target corps corp info they can pay at any time to stop the war within say 4 hours. the main problem is people can avoid war by just leaving and 95% of all mission runners are in npc corps un touchable by most people
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Strak Yogorn Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. you cant ruin something thats already ruined. LOL. OK, allow me to rephrase: "OBLITERATE COMPLETELY". There, better?
Cece Cline	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:20:00 - [14] I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence.
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. I hold... A baseball bat. And im slinging it in the direction of your face. Dude, if i can kick your eyes out of your skull in real life in less then 20 seconds (which is far too short for anyone to run up and scam/web me) Then why am i not allowed to harrass your officer fitted faction BS in a game for a few weeks? Please let me know what car you drive, my rusty screwdriver needs new paint. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Cece Cline I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Funny part engaged. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.24 13:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. I totally agree with your point of view. Note that they don't wardec capable corps, only people they think will be an easy gank. For this reason alone the whole concept is broken. It's just a charter for ass-hats with personal hygiene issues and social phobias to pick on someone smaller than themselves. Either way, avoiding it is pretty easy: leave corp or go and play another game .
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:01:00 - [19] Originally by: panman Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced... Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future. Heh I remember those days. Noobs afraid to join corps. Corps disbanding and becoming chat channels for NPC corp members. Hell I understand that "alliance P" caused a noticable drop in CCPs number of corps being founded metric. You guys rocked! Of course at that point you where doomed. People not in player corps have a very high rate of canceled accounts. You guys are probably the only group ever to have the accounting department tell the design department that they WILL nerf you. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
Molly Mayhem	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. Clever troll is clever.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:15:00 - [21] Wardecs would be okay if they just did all the stuff that I suggest they do. And none of the stuff that I don't suggest.
Space Fascist	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Strak Yogorn Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. you cant ruin something thats already ruined. CCP can.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:43:00 - [23] any whining about wardecs can go bugger off back to halo3. -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:45:00 - [24] I haz a plan.
Lisatrommi State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.24 14:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Lustralis Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage I totally agree with your point of view. Note that they don't wardec capable corps, only people they think will be an easy gank. For this reason alone the whole concept is broken. It's just a charter for ass-hats with personal hygiene issues and social phobias to pick on someone smaller than themselves. Either way, avoiding it is pretty easy: leave corp or go and play another game . A I just wanted to highlight a couple things there. Apparently you've never heard of MD-K (of the old days)
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.10.24 15:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Lustralis Originally by: panman Yeah, most people were screaming to nerf privateers, now boot is on the other foot and people are screaming to look at the wardec system as its unbalanced... Careful whats wished for, doubt CCP are gonna make it any easier for war deccers in the future. Well AFAIK the way it works at the moment is that some spotty kid (or facially or horizontally challenged Goon) develops an attachment to my worldly possessions and his corp war-decs me. After 24 hours, I can dock up and go play TF II for a while until the wardec is over. So my follow up question is: what exactly is wrong with the wardec mechanic in this respect? what is wrong is that you get warned that you got decced, it should be more like 1)pass vote 2)undock 3)shoot unsuspecting vivtim EG. "hey guys, what does a red star mean?" 4)point and laugh
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.24 15:12:00 - [27] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/10/2008 15:12:43 Originally by: Akita T Base 46k hull, 6900 armor, 9750 shield (800 base recharge, what the heck?), all regular base resists. So, if you use a DC-II and nothing else, roughly about on par with a freighter. 20 ish torp ravens in a 0.5 then SKUNK
Omnoms Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.24 15:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Lustralis Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. I totally agree with your point of view. Note that they don't wardec capable corps, only people they think will be an easy gank. For this reason alone the whole concept is broken. It's just a charter for ass-hats with personal hygiene issues and social phobias to pick on someone smaller than themselves. Either way, avoiding it is pretty easy: leave corp or go and play another game . I also totally agree with both of you Most wardecs are carried out by small time griefers who get their kicks ruining other poeples fun. If you wanna do PVP go to low sec.
Omnoms Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.24 15:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence. actually no, you and your offensive small minded abuse are far more damaging to this game where poeple should be allowed to do what they want. you are an offensive idiotic piece of work.
wdwjhdw	Posted - 2008.10.24 15:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence. Unfortunately (for you) his money is as good as yours and CCP dont want people "going back to WOW", even if they never played WOW which you have no idea about with this guy. If you had some male organs you would go to lowsec or nulsec, but you're so ****poor you have to run around highsec picking on the little guys. Truly pathetic. CCP have stated they intend to change wardecs, and its people like you who exploit what was originally probably a good idea, so cry more and adapt, or leave and you wont be missed.
TheStarman Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.24 16:05:00 - [31] Originally by: wdwjhdw Originally by: Bellum Eternus Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence. Unfortunately (for you) his money is as good as yours and CCP dont want people "going back to WOW", even if they never played WOW which you have no idea about with this guy. If you had some male organs you would go to lowsec or nulsec, but you're so ****poor you have to run around highsec picking on the little guys. Truly pathetic. CCP have stated they intend to change wardecs, and its people like you who exploit what was originally probably a good idea, so cry more and adapt, or leave and you wont be missed. Post with your main.
Bondo Jones	Posted - 2008.10.24 16:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Molly Mayhem Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. Clever troll is clever. in addition... Successful troll is successful.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.10.24 16:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence. You fail at spotting trolls :P
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.24 17:36:00 - [34] Originally by: TheStarman Post with your main. I've never understood what difference things like that make, unless of course you're looking for an angle, i.e. either an argument from authority or the opportunity to sneak in the Ad Hominem.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.24 19:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. You used the wrong tense there, mate. Which is why I am laughing at you all nerf whiners now. Was there an uproar on the forums when my alliance was nerfed? Nope. Do you think I am going to do anything but support the nerfs to games styles of all you ****ing hypocrites? I ♥ the old Privateers. It was a sad day for the game when "alliance P" got nerfed
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.10.24 19:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Lustralis Ok, can we have the obligatory "how many ravens will it take to suicide the Orca in high sec before Concord saves your life" thread. Much obliged. A few hundred. 1. Concord rebalance changed the timing and sec hit determined by the two parties (the attacker and the attacked). 2. Future insurance loss will make suicide ganking only for the most valuable targets, IE freighters carrying billions of isk worth of equipment to make the attack worth while. 3. Most Orcas will escape attack via wardec by either not being out during a war or simply being in an NPC corporation. Given what the Orca will primaryly be used for, it would cost more to suicide attack the thing then any loot one could hope to get out of it.
Joshua Calvert Caldari Safespot Industries	Posted - 2008.10.24 20:35:00 - [37] What's wrong with the war-dec system? Just the ability for people to leave corp. to avoid? Peace and love, Josh
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.24 20:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Joshua Calvert What's wrong with the war-dec system? Just the ability for people to leave corp. to avoid? There's that, for one On the other side of it, CCP have mentioned recently that they don't much care for it as a 'pay to grief' system and prefer to somehow link it to goals and objectives, I think _____________________ The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.24 21:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. if all you want to do is circle jerk with your friends eve online probably isn't for you. one of these games involves a cookie, here I will even give you the cookie, enjoy!
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.24 21:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Joshua Calvert What's wrong with the war-dec system? Just the ability for people to leave corp. to avoid? There's that, for one On the other side of it, CCP have mentioned recently that they don't much care for it as a 'pay to grief' system and prefer to somehow link it to goals and objectives, I think I agree, Pay to grief adds an extra step there I dont like. Just grief. Thats my style Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.10.24 21:15:00 - [41] Originally by: wdwjhdw Originally by: Bellum Eternus Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence. Unfortunately (for you) his money is as good as yours and CCP dont want people "going back to WOW", even if they never played WOW which you have no idea about with this guy. If you had some male organs you would go to lowsec or nulsec, but you're so ****poor you have to run around highsec picking on the little guys. Truly pathetic. CCP have stated they intend to change wardecs, and its people like you who exploit what was originally probably a good idea, so cry more and adapt, or leave and you wont be missed. go ahead and look at my alliances active wars and then tell me we are picking on the "little guy"
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.10.24 22:04:00 - [42] They are pretty damn tough from what I've tested on the test server. Can fit a XL-shield booster quite easily.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.24 22:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. Nice troll.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.10.24 22:34:00 - [44] Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/10/2008 22:34:09 Originally by: Megan Maynard They are pretty damn tough from what I've tested on the test server. Can fit a XL-shield booster quite easily. wont do sheet in 19 seconds SKUNK
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.10.24 22:58:00 - [45] Edited by: Mika Meroko on 24/10/2008 22:59:39 remember kids: as long as other kiddies are paying CCP money, they can do whatever... CCP are not gonna lock people into being targets, period~!~! ****ing off the majority of your customers are bad mkay? as for the epeeners/go back to wow people... yes yes, they can ALL go back to wow and we can watch the devs having to cut back on cheese and booze money.... ignore the people who dont like being shot at.. have fun with the people who shoot back. you will have less angst and more fun that way. edit: ORCA with DC II and Reinforced bulkheads II are gonna be on par with a freighter... not as much... but almost there. if they rig it for amour/shield resistances too... even more hp XD..
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.10.25 00:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Strak Yogorn Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. you cant ruin something thats already ruined. We are talking about CCP here... I fully except non-consensual wars to be completely removed.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. United Legion	Posted - 2008.10.25 00:36:00 - [47] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Originally by: Strak Yogorn Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. you cant ruin something thats already ruined. We are talking about CCP here... I fully except non-consensual wars to be completely removed. oh that be sweet!
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.25 01:16:00 - [48] Wars are a fairly dodgy system currently. And although I did disagree with the Priv's being nerfed, I agree that the current system is in truth a pay to grief system. There are a lot of people in this game trying to get their bearings, remember this is not an easy game to learn, and every guide to help is not just outdated but many nerfs ago dated. So yes I think there should be a measure of some safety in eve. For people who don't know what the hell is going on yet. NPC Corp tax I think is a good idea, to push more people into player corp/alliances. Simply because that is where the core of entertainment in this game comes from imho. A Highsec CommandShip gate camp popping bewildered pilots who have no grasp on the game or it's mechanics. Now there does need to be a system for fighting in empire, that I whole heartedly agree on. A lot of people like to fight, and empire is an entertaining place to do it. But it can't be a system that allows repeated noob ganking leading to a group of freinds closing down their corp and rejoining the NPC corps. Eve is all about the player organizations. Be it alliance or corp or faction or people who chat in the same channel it's all about having fun with other people. Anyway that's my 0.02 isk please troll hard, I'm not checking back for any of your reply's anyway. --McFly--
Cece Cline	Posted - 2008.10.25 10:32:00 - [49] Sorry but I'm not trolling, that's just the way it is and I'm saying it on behalf of lots of pilots. It might become as a shock to you but not everyone gets their kicks doing gatecamps, some might even like to take somewhat more casual approach to the game, like enjoy it the way they like to without being griefed. :SHOCKANDHORRORIDONTBELIEVEIT: I'd love to see negative wardecs, to pacify another firm making them unable to shoot player targets for a week, you need to mine for a week because I say so. Oh, and if you don't like it "go back to wow".
Joshua Calvert Caldari Safespot Industries	Posted - 2008.10.25 10:46:00 - [50] Is anyone else remembering the attack on Yulai? :D
fkingfurious	Posted - 2008.10.25 11:27:00 - [51] So whats being done to the war-dec system then? Or is this all just a bunch of forum emo rage?
Mutabae	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:04:00 - [52] Originally by: fkingfurious So whats being done to the war-dec system then? Or is this all just a bunch of forum emo rage? I suggest you go to the game dev forum and go back a couple of pages (I think there's also a dev blog). I'd point you in the right direction, but I dare not look at the threads again lest my blood pressure rise to dangerous levels. In a nutshell, CCP wants to make war-decs harder to execute, with added flim-flam like 'victory conditions'. Apparently, the current system is 'pay-to-grief' (CCP's words, not mine). Soon(tm), avoiding combat in Eve, particularly in high-sec, will be even easier than it is currently. :psyduck:
OutOfTheBox Cyborg	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:14:00 - [53] Originally by: wdwjhdw Originally by: Bellum Eternus Go back to WoW. You're poisoning Eve's life blood with your very presence. Unfortunately (for you) his money is as good as yours and CCP dont want people "going back to WOW", even if they never played WOW which you have no idea about with this guy. If you had some male organs you would go to lowsec or nulsec, but you're so ****poor you have to run around highsec picking on the little guys. Truly pathetic. CCP have stated they intend to change wardecs, and its people like you who exploit what was originally probably a good idea, so cry more and adapt, or leave and you wont be missed. It seems to me that ccp have recently been trying to treat the symptoms of the problem, rather than address the cause. High sec has never been totally safe, but it used to be basically safe unless you did something stupid, or behaved like an obnoxious jerk, or maybe were just occasionally unlucky. Why are those in high sec who just want to pve getting more pvp forced on them though? Part of it may be more young immature players joining the game over the last year or two, but it would seem to me that it may be largely due to lowsec becoming a deserted dust bowl for pirates. Instead of constantly nurfing the play style of of those who like to hunt, why not boost the pve content and rewards in lowsec.
Comae Berenices The Trillion ISK Project	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Lustralis After 24 hours, I can dock up and go play TF II for a while until the wardec is over. And we have have a winner! The Coward Carebear of the year: Lustralis!
fkingfurious	Posted - 2008.10.25 12:57:00 - [55] Tbh, the war dec system as it stands is pretty shambolic. If they could just patch up all the silly **ing holes like out of corp logistics ships repping war targets without getting flagged and non war target command ships in war target gangs giving bonuses without being flagged it'd be a start. At least then you'd know who the ** was griefing you.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2008.10.25 16:37:00 - [56] Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. loser
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.25 19:14:00 - [57] If you're going to talk about us ... I guess the thread should have a token Active Privateer in it. FREE HUGS ... meet me in Rens to collect
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.10.25 20:13:00 - [58] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Bellum Eternus Why suicide gank? Just wardec. Oh right, that's next on the list of stuff to ruin. You used the wrong tense there, mate. Which is why I am laughing at you all nerf whiners now. Was there an uproar on the forums when my alliance was nerfed? Nope. Do you think I am going to do anything but support the nerfs to games styles of all you ****ing hypocrites? This is what Banana's last Alliance op looked like :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]>:::: >\|\|[\|\|]> :::: >\|\|[\|\|]> Don't mind the crudely done "internet Sp4ceships". I'd throw in a few periods to show them firing but that last battle was fought with tears instead. Yeah they drowned the enemy to death, in space no less.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.10.25 20:15:00 - [59] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Originally by: Cece Cline I've always left my corps when the wardecced. I think wardeccing is stupid and it shouldn't be allowed. Small starting out friends only -corps are the ones suffering from this the most. I play this game to get the coolest ships and gear available and fighting some war with 100-1 underadvantage doesn't sound fun to me, or atleast I don't want to pay for that. I rather do missions and mine and fly my officer fit faction bs's when I feel like it than hide cloaked in safespot with a 2m cruiser. Make high sec safe and you gatecampers can keep low sec. I've never been killed by players btw so I'm not bitter. Only ship I've lost so far was a cruiser in a lvl2 mission iirc a long time ago. loser OHHh....did that hook hurt when you bit down on that thing??
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.10.25 20:19:00 - [60] to the guy who say buff low sec: not gonna work, not until the math makes dying LESS painful... IE: losing 1 insured BS. with insurance. = around 20 to 30 million isk lost to insure. for most people.. thats about 1 to 10 hours of highsec stuff... (keep in mind most people dont earn that much.. and that in reality, what you see in forum about blah blah 20+ mill an hour is just vets with too big an epeen to see that avg players DONT make that much.. nor have the time.) so yeah, too many pirates + cost of loss = no way in hell people spend a week to recover losses for your giggles. Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Theqwert125	Posted - 2008.10.25 21:09:00 - [61] Just did a random gank test of an orca on sisi 5 BS, a Marauder, a Dread, and a carrier took almost exactly a minute to pop my orca, which was fitted as follows: 3x LSE II 1x Reinforced bulkhead II 1x DC II 3x Cargo Rig I's
wdwjhdw	Posted - 2008.10.25 21:31:00 - [62] Originally by: Lustralis Originally by: TheStarman Post with your main. I've never understood what difference things like that make, unless of course you're looking for an angle, i.e. either an argument from authority or the opportunity to sneak in the Ad Hominem. Probably so he can wardec us. (Tho he might have to wait in line, We're perma-wardecced and I think theres a limit of 3)
Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.25 21:36:00 - [63] Originally by: OutOfTheBox Cyborg Part of it may be more young immature players joining the game over the last year or two, but it would seem to me that it may be largely due to lowsec becoming a deserted dust bowl for pirates. Well that's not totally true. Parts of it aren't deserted dust-bowls for pirates, parts of it are used by a lot of mission runners (but ok, most of it is deserted and unused). The problem is that there's no incentive for corps to police it. You generally get alliance protection in some low sec systems that adjoin 0.0, where it's in their interests to make it a little safer. If CCP introduced the concept of a Viceroy, i.e. someone who profits from station ownership in low sec, then there's a reason to park your corp up and stop your chattels from being ganked, especially if you're creaming off a refine, buy or sell tax. Anyway back on topic, it looks like it won't be worth suiciding the Orca, apart for reasons of prestige of course.

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