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Egore Spangler	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:17:00 - [1] Been away for a while and just started to re-reading the forums. I have seen references in threads that they will remove/alter local in 0.0 space. Could someone please fill me in on whats been said and where please.
Zephyr Rengate Caldari dearg doom	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:18:00 - [2] lazy.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:23:00 - [3] don't feel like it.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:25:00 - [4] stoopid idea serves only cloaked twits parked at a gate for 8 hours a day. Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:34:00 - [5] to answer the OP its in the stickied "zulupark answers everything!" threads at the top. I personally think removing local's omniscience is a fabulous idea provided there is another intelgathering tool to make up for it. Nobody should be able to log off every time somebody enters a system and thus rat in total safety.
Kaar Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Spurty stoopid idea serves only cloaked twits parked at a gate for 8 hours a day. sup --- ---
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Spurty stoopid idea serves only cloaked twits parked at a gate for 8 hours a day. sup dude shhh, you will scare away all the macro farmers/miners if you make too much noise
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden	Posted - 2008.10.29 18:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim to answer the OP its in the stickied "zulupark answers everything!" threads at the top. I personally think removing local's omniscience is a fabulous idea provided there is another intelgathering tool to make up for it. Nobody should be able to log off every time somebody enters a system and thus rat in total safety. It means hours of probing to me, anyway I'll adapt with resilience. Fetchez la vache !
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.10.29 19:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Spurty stoopid idea serves only cloaked twits parked at a gate for 8 hours a day. sup i totally read your alliance as eXceed -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Leeluvv Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:14:00 - [10] The concept is to change 0.0 local to delayed, so only those that speak appear in local, but it's an idea, not a patch. Lee == Sig to follow

Lustralis	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Leeluvv The concept is to change 0.0 local to delayed, so only those that speak appear in local, but it's an idea, not a patch. Lee and it's a dumb one.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:22:00 - [12] There's nothing that's going in just yet, Zulupark has vaguely discussed moving local to delayed mode, but there hasn't even been a devblog and accompanying threadnaught about it yet, so we'll all just wait and see _____________________ The unofficial faceless Achura alt of EVE Online
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2008.10.29 20:48:00 - [13] remove local, and have a way to find cloaked ships Please, jump into traffic
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:05:00 - [14] I am all for removal of local as long as the following are added. 1. give us a way to find cloakers. 2. All belts will have to be probed to find them. 3. Belts will get reset to a random location every few days. 4. When a probe is in use give us a way to detect it. After all this is a form of active sonar and as such should be detectable.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Gonada remove local, and have a way to find cloaked ships Unless they are supposed to cloak, otherwise, whats the point of fitting the mod, but this can all wait for the inevitable "NOOO MY FREE INTEL" whine thread, and the follow up "Cloaks are too strong, i can't shoot what i can't see" whines.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Etchyboy I am all for removal of local as long as the following are added. 1. give us a way to find cloakers. 2. All belts will have to be probed to find them. 3. Belts will get reset to a random location every few days. 4. When a probe is in use give us a way to detect it. After all this is a form of active sonar and as such should be detectable. holy crap you people are making me double post. why should you get to find ships designed to cloak? Also, do you not know how to use your scanner? I usually know within seconds of a hostile/neutral deploying probes in a system I'm in.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:24:00 - [17] Just to get this right, if you are in a system you press the scan button after every few seconds, and you dont have overview filtering enabled because otherwise you cant see probes. So if you are in a system with a bit more crap you look every few seconds through a list of 100 objects to check if there is a probe in it. Now do you think i believe you? Are ravens supposed to cloak? And even ships that are supposed to cloak would still work fine if they can be probed down. Of course not when a 20 second scan gives you there exact position, but just make it a delayed position. If you are actually playing you still cant be found if you just move a bit arround, if you are afk you will eventually be found.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2008.10.29 21:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Furb Killer Just to get this right, if you are in a system you press the scan button after every few seconds, and you dont have overview filtering enabled because otherwise you cant see probes. So if you are in a system with a bit more crap you look every few seconds through a list of 100 objects to check if there is a probe in it. Now do you think i believe you? Ever try organizing your scanner results in alphabetical order? Stunning to think that such a simple act can make looking for scan probes easy, but its actually true. I guess expecting you to know how a simple thing like your ship scanner works is a bit over the top on my part though Originally by: Furb Killer Are ravens supposed to cloak? No, and I agree that they should be able to be probed out, though I think it should take time Originally by: Furb Killer And even ships that are supposed to cloak would still work fine if they can be probed down. Of course not when a 20 second scan gives you there exact position, but just make it a delayed position. If you are actually playing you still cant be found if you just move a bit arround, if you are afk you will eventually be found. No, leave cloaking ships alone, they are meant to be undetectable, leave them that way, ffs, do you people need everything in the game dumbed down to some inane level? They have pathetic DPS, little to no actual ability to tank and still do their designed job, their only active defense is the cloak, which they shed at exactly the right moment to strike, then melt away into hiding again. Making them able to be probed essentially makes them useless, and if you say otherwise, you've never spent any time doing the things a recon is supposed to do.
Luciat	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:30:00 - [19] I for one will never rat or mine again if the delayed local gets introduced. I will however stock up on Stelath bombers and recons and never fly a non-cloaking ship agian. I will then hit 0.0 and sit in belts with friends waiting for the ratters to blissfully rat, whilst spamming the scan button and not finding us because we are cloaked, then OMGWTFBBQ them and cloak up again. If acts of agression force you to appear in local, simply jump to the next system, rinse and repeat. Unbalanced? Youbetchya!
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Luciat I for one will never rat or mine again if the delayed local gets introduced. I will however stock up on Stelath bombers and recons and never fly a non-cloaking ship agian. I will then hit 0.0 and sit in belts with friends waiting for the ratters to blissfully rat, whilst spamming the scan button and not finding us because we are cloaked, then OMGWTFBBQ them and cloak up again. If acts of agression force you to appear in local, simply jump to the next system, rinse and repeat. Unbalanced? Youbetchya! And everyone docking up because I turn up in local isnt unbalanced? This change will just sort out the aware from the nubs.

Takon Orlani Caldari Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Spurty stoopid idea serves only cloaked twits parked at a gate for 8 hours a day. This.
Luciat	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Luciat on 29/10/2008 22:53:48 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Luciat I for one will never rat or mine again if the delayed local gets introduced. I will however stock up on Stelath bombers and recons and never fly a non-cloaking ship agian. I will then hit 0.0 and sit in belts with friends waiting for the ratters to blissfully rat, whilst spamming the scan button and not finding us because we are cloaked, then OMGWTFBBQ them and cloak up again. If acts of agression force you to appear in local, simply jump to the next system, rinse and repeat. Unbalanced? Youbetchya! Quote: And everyone docking up because I turn up in local isnt unbalanced? This change will just sort out the aware from the nubs. Of course it is balanced.. You know they are there.. they know you are there.. perfect balance
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.10.29 22:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Luciat And everyone docking up because I turn up in local isnt unbalanced? This change will just sort out the aware from the nubs. Of course it is balanced.. You know they are there.. they know you are there.. perfect balance Its about as balanced as paining a B2 bomber bright pink and dumping a big flashing stobe on it... The current system makes it impossible to make suprise attacks in a ship designed to make suprise attacks!
Aurelio Baran Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:05:00 - [24] I will be excited when people in 0.0, who can no longer rat or mine without getting popped everyday, resort to buying GTCs and selling em for even more inflated prices. I for one will be doing just that. ---
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:10:00 - [25] People will whine, moan and puke about it. Some will fake ragequit with all eleventy billion of their accounts. In the end, they will rub both of their brain cells together and figure out a way to keep ratting and mining in 0.0 even without an instantly available intelligence report.
Luciat	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:11:00 - [26] The current proposed (Highly speculated) system would tip the scales heavily towards the attacker. Even without local, I would have a fairly good idea that outpost/station systems would have a decent population, allowing me to plan attacks and sneak in undetected. As a filthy carebear, you would need to rely heavily on scouts on gates, and them not falling asleep at their post, as well as spamming the bajeezus outta the scan button, and still not finding anyone. As I said, this will be a PVPers wet dream.. and a carebear/ratter/miners worst nightmare.
Aurelio Baran Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:12:00 - [27] Edited by: Aurelio Baran on 29/10/2008 23:12:31 Originally by: Neesa Corrinne People will whine, moan and puke about it. Some will fake ragequit with all eleventy billion of their accounts. In the end, they will rub both of their brain cells together and figure out a way to keep ratting and mining in 0.0 even without an instantly available intelligence report. Buying and selling GTCs. Problem solved. Also, inflating prices. ---
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.29 23:18:00 - [28] People never bother to research this crap before they run to the forums to whine. They specifically stated that a major overhaul to how scanning works would accompany the changes to local. I'm guessing that they will go with what I proposed almost a year ago: Passive Scanning. Your ship will constantly scan on it's own and warn you when it detects an approaching ship on scan. Make this chance based and modified by the incoming ships signature radius, and voila carebears can keep carebearing with relative safety instead of complete and total immunity.
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.10.30 00:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne People never bother to research this crap before they run to the forums to whine. They specifically stated that a major overhaul to how scanning works would accompany the changes to local. I'm guessing that they will go with what I proposed almost a year ago: Passive Scanning. Your ship will constantly scan on it's own and warn you when it detects an approaching ship on scan. ccp is going to need to drop the scanner change about 6 months before the local change, so we can all get use to using it, and point out how they haven't successfully fixed the problem Quote: Make this chance based and modified by the incoming ships signature radius, and voila carebears can keep carebearing with relative safety instead of complete and total immunity. The real problem imo, is that pirates whine far too much, then wonder why no one goes to low sec any more.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.10.30 00:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Sebea Originally by: Etchyboy I am all for removal of local as long as the following are added. 1. give us a way to find cloakers. 2. All belts will have to be probed to find them. 3. Belts will get reset to a random location every few days. 4. When a probe is in use give us a way to detect it. After all this is a form of active sonar and as such should be detectable. holy crap you people are making me double post. why should you get to find ships designed to cloak? Also, do you not know how to use your scanner? I usually know within seconds of a hostile/neutral deploying probes in a system I'm in. because 9 in 10 cloakers are rattign ravens not recons. Those should not be imune FOREVER. PRobign a cloaked ship shoudl take LONG time but shoudl be doable. PRobign a recon shoudl take like 30 minutes to 1 hour, so you can hunt that ship you know is there semi AFK. CCP stated thousands of times they do not want anyone to play afk. Cloak shoudl give you security for a few minutes (like 10min) on a non cloaker and a long time in a cloaker. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough



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