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LordInvisible
Gallente The CULT OF DAMNED Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.10.30 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: LordInvisible on 30/10/2008 08:25:56 Edited by: LordInvisible on 30/10/2008 08:24:55 Edited by: LordInvisible on 30/10/2008 08:24:14 Hi!
Here is a collection of all threads in which PLAYER BASE expressed their POW about this EVE-NERF patch. All this topics about same track of issues, while CCP could only add stacking penalties to rigs and low slot modules and maybe (really maybe) put those pesky speed-implants in 2 same slots..
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909767 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=910779 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=910486 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=907998 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909164
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=847392 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905631 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=887942 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621219 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=834634
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909150 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905761 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=908380 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=903809 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=896144
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909743 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=908793 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=908545 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905067 !! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371 !!
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LordInvisible
Gallente The CULT OF DAMNED Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.10.30 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: LordInvisible on 30/10/2008 08:26:03 reserved
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=853059 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=904263 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=834562
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909709 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=905797 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=910200 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=910752 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=909986 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are recruting: Recruitment |
Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.30 08:29:00 -
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Losing expensive implants?
Anyway, those who whine on the forums the loudest aren't always right, plus most of the people only see the nerf and never try it on sisi. So did I so I decide not to take a point in this debate. But, postcounts mean nothing, people that hate it will post, while people that are ok with it generally don't even look at the forums. _
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Murina
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.30 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert Losing expensive implants?
Anyway, those who whine on the forums the loudest aren't always right, plus most of the people only see the nerf and never try it on sisi. So did I so I decide not to take a point in this debate. But, postcounts mean nothing, people that hate it will post, while people that are ok with it generally don't even look at the forums.
And thats why the nerf was promoted in the first place, a limited few whiners posting thread after thread complaining about nano and blaming the game instead of improving their own piloting and team work skills, while every other player was getting on and learning new combat skills and generally enjoying the game.
And now that CCP has decided to utterly change combat in the game to moron level the experienced players are pointing out how bad this will be for skilled combat in eve.
And we are doing it enmasse.
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Remi Kulis
Caldari Cellular Automaton Solutions
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Posted - 2008.10.30 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Sleepkevert Losing expensive implants?
Anyway, those who whine on the forums the loudest aren't always right, plus most of the people only see the nerf and never try it on sisi. So did I so I decide not to take a point in this debate. But, postcounts mean nothing, people that hate it will post, while people that are ok with it generally don't even look at the forums.
And thats why the nerf was promoted in the first place, a limited few whiners posting thread after thread complaining about nano and blaming the game instead of improving their own piloting and team work skills, while every other player was getting on and learning new combat skills and generally enjoying the game.
And now that CCP has decided to utterly change combat in the game to moron level the experienced players are pointing out how bad this will be for skilled combat in eve.
And we are doing it enmasse.
How exactly does this change take away your, apparently superior, piloting and team work skills? And when did throwing isk in the form of poly carbs at any give ship and pushing the MWD button become "skilled PvP"?
The playing field will be leveled a bit, so it will take more "player skill" then before to succeed in nano fits... and ohmigawd some modules and ships like AB, Scram and Assault Ships might actually become viable! Yeah horrible, horrible changes.
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El Mauru
Amarr Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.30 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: El Mauru on 30/10/2008 11:34:55 anybody else finding the op's corp name rather fitting for the ocasion? -
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LordInvisible
Gallente The CULT OF DAMNED Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.10.30 12:27:00 -
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stick to the topic, troll..
if u dont have anything usefull to say regarding my thread, stay away, its not that hard.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We are recruting: Recruitment |
Murina
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Remi Kulis
How exactly does this change take away your, apparently superior, piloting and team work skills? And when did throwing isk in the form of poly carbs at any give ship and pushing the MWD button become "skilled PvP"?
Nano forced both sides to tackle to kill and because of doing that they were forced to defend the tacklers, and it is within those needs that skilled combat was made as both sides tackled and counter tackled while jamming hostile tacklers and repairing friendly ones.
Now all that is needed is f1 unless CCP are gonna force ppl to fight 1 v 1 cos that is all this patch has done, make ultra rare 1 v 1 fighting slightly more interesting.
Originally by: Remi Kulis ohmigawd some modules and ships like AB, Scram and Assault Ships might actually become viable!
Wrong they will all still suck in gang combat, just because you cannot be bothered to get onto the test server does not mean the rest of us have not.
Screaming out load that things are gonna be better when you have not even tested them is quite pathetic tbh, just because you suck at pvp and have chosen to point the finger at nano instead of improving is no reason for a nerf or continued ignorance.
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LordInvisible
Gallente The CULT OF DAMNED Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.10.30 13:32:00 -
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with arazu/lachesis/keres scram range, there is no need for logistcs to keep tacklers alive..Rather bring falcon and jamm the tackled opponent, so the tacklers are even safer..
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.30 13:39:00 -
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Nano age my ass, we killed a vagabond, nano pilgrim and a ishtar last night with 3 battlecruisers and a zealot.
They have to slow down to do anything to you anyway, i don't see the problem with nano atm.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:40:00 -
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There are equal amounts of pro nerf threads aswell. The change will be fine, you'll see. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are equal amounts of pro nerf threads aswell. The change will be fine, you'll see.
LOL list please.....no?...a bit like the reports from pro nerfits a token and worthless claim of "it will be alright" and sod all content.
Screw game play just so long as nano is gone hey pal......i wonder what you will blame next?.
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Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:46:00 -
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Tbh I was excited about the nano nerf when I read the devblog. Thought it'd be finally cheaper for me to run poly ships. Then i saw sisi....
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are equal amounts of pro nerf threads aswell. The change will be fine, you'll see.
lol. ---
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta Edited by: lecrotta on 30/10/2008 14:52:01
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are equal amounts of pro nerf threads aswell. The change will be fine, you'll see.
LOL show the list please?.....no?...although your comment at the end sums up the reports from pro nerfits, a token and worthless claim of "it will be alright" and sod all content.
Screw game play just so long as nano is gone hey pal?......i wonder what you and the others will blame next?.
What do you mean blame? I'm flying nano's myself and I do know the issue first hand. Next up are falcons btw; I fly those aswell. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 30/10/2008 15:03:34
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There are equal amounts of pro nerf threads aswell. The change will be fine, you'll see.
LOL show the list please?.....no?...although your comment at the end sums up the reports from pro nerfits, a token and worthless claim of "it will be alright" and sod all content.
Screw game play just so long as nano is gone hey pal?......i wonder what you and the others will blame next?.
What do you mean blame? I'm flying nano's myself and I do know the issue first hand. Next up are falcons btw; I fly those aswell.
Yea "i fly nano but i want it nerfed"......very original...next falcons....then i suppose cloaks?...after that snipers cos you cannot get near them before they warp......and on and on....
Why not save time and make everybody sit inside the grid CCP uses for tourneys and if they cross the line their ship instantly explodes, ppl can sit their all day hitting f1 like they do while ratting and dream of being uber pilots...
PS: interesting that you avoided linking all the supportive threads for this stupid game killing nerf.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Yea "i fly nano but i want it nerfed"......very original...next falcons....then i suppose cloaks?...after that snipers cos you cannot get near them before they warp......and on and on....
Why not save time and make everybody sit inside the grid CCP uses for tourneys and if they cross the line their ship instantly explodes, ppl can sit their all day hitting f1 like they do while ratting and dream of being uber pilots...
PS: interesting that you avoided linking all the supportive threads for this stupid game killing nerf.
Original? I'm not the one accusing people of "you want it nerfed because you can't handle it and you don't fly it".
I can't be arsed to link loads of threads. CCP knows what needs to be done and it's being done now. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 30/10/2008 15:25:31
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: lecrotta
Yea "i fly nano but i want it nerfed"......very original...next falcons....then i suppose cloaks?...after that snipers cos you cannot get near them before they warp......and on and on....
Why not save time and make everybody sit inside the grid CCP uses for tourneys and if they cross the line their ship instantly explodes, ppl can sit their all day hitting f1 like they do while ratting and dream of being uber pilots...
PS: interesting that you avoided linking all the supportive threads for this stupid game killing nerf.
Original? I'm not the one accusing people of "you want it nerfed because you can't handle it and you don't fly it".
I can't be arsed to link loads of threads. CCP knows what needs to be done and it's being done now.
Its called the truth pal, look at most of the muppets who initially supported this nerf and you will see angry carebears looking to blame nano for losing their ratting ships.
The same ccp that made nano in the first place and introduced a mission that requested a MWD in a dead space area?........Interesting how you call on the mighty ccp as if its a store house of game balance knowledge while totally ignoring the fact that they introduced all the things they are now nerfing.
You have got nothing and bring nothing to this argument but empty platitudes and weak excuses.
The only threads supporting this nerf normally last a page or so (mostly ppl disagreeing with the OP) go like this:
"good job ccp i think this may be a good thing perhaps".
No content no idea and no point just like your empty posting:
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer The change will be fine, you'll see.
LOL top content....
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Its called the truth pal, look at most of the muppets who initially supported this nerf and you will see angry carebears looking to blame nano for losing their ratting ships.
The same ccp that made nano in the first place and introduced a mission that requested a MWD in a dead space area?........Interesting how you call on the mighty ccp as if its a store house of game balance knowledge while totally ignoring the fact that they introduced all the things they are now nerfing.
You have got nothing and bring nothing to this argument but empty platitudes and weak excuses.
The only threads supporting this nerf last a page or so (mostly ppl disagreeing) go like this:
"good job ccp i think this may be a good thing perhaps".
No content no idea and no point just like your empty posting.
Carebears will still get owned. Nothing will change.
What will change is that nano noobs will cry. Pro nano players will still own people because they know the game. Funny thing is though that the latter group of players are a minority.
The people that oppose the nerf know very well that nano hacs are imbalanced and out of egoism they try to convince everyone it is fine eventhough it is not. These are people that base their whole operations/alliance/corp/warfare on one single tactic: Nanophagottry. It will be intresting to see how well these people do after nerf. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: MyOwnSling on 30/10/2008 15:35:00
Originally by: lecrotta The only threads supporting this nerf normally last a page or so (mostly ppl disagreeing with the OP) go like this:
"good job ccp i think this may be a good thing perhaps"
Out of curiosity, where are your supporting threads? I tend to not read nano threads so often anymore so I haven't seen much of what you speak. Perhaps you could provide some links? ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
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Quixis
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Trolldancer Stuff.....
So let me get this straight, because nano hacs are 'imbalanced' the whole game needs to be reworked?
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Shard Merchant
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:36:00 -
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Most of those threads are filled with people arguing the opposite. And a good part of the OPs are just trolling with no content.
In short, even if your expose could make a difference, its not a very good one.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Quixis
Originally by: Lyria Trolldancer Stuff.....
So let me get this straight, because nano hacs are 'imbalanced' the whole game needs to be reworked?
Because speed has been broken a long time and there are so many variables now that you need to rework the whole system if you want to do it right. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
The people that oppose the nerf know very well that nano hacs are imbalanced and out of egoism they try to convince everyone it is fine even though it is not.
Oh yes using the "balance" word i was wondering when you were gonna drop that eve nerf "power word" out, are gonna use "broken" next?. Ppl like you draw it like a gun but the truth is that "balance" in a game with variety is when said variety is available to all.
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer These are people that base their whole operations/alliance/corp/warfare on one single tactic: Nanophagottry. It will be intresting to see how well these people do after nerf.
Ever siege'd a pos with nano?, ever taken space with nano?, ever killed a titan with nano?, ever beat a RR BS gang or logistic gang with nano?....no cos it cannot be done nano is a task specific style of pvp.
Nano is good for roaming deep in hostile space that is it, and its getting nerfed cos it will not sit still like the rats most of the wanna be pvp dreamers who support this nerf want it to its that simple.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
The people that oppose the nerf know very well that nano hacs are imbalanced and out of egoism they try to convince everyone it is fine even though it is not.
Oh yes using the "balance" word i was wondering when you were gonna drop that eve nerf "power word" out, are gonna use "broken" next?. Ppl like you draw it like a gun but the truth is that "balance" in a game with variety is when said variety is available to all.
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer These are people that base their whole operations/alliance/corp/warfare on one single tactic: Nanophagottry. It will be intresting to see how well these people do after nerf.
Ever siege'd a pos with nano?, ever taken space with nano?, ever killed a titan with nano?, ever beat a RR BS gang or logistic gang with nano?....no cos it cannot be done nano is a task specific style of pvp.
Nano is good for roaming deep in hostile space that is it, and its getting nerfed cos it will not sit still like the rats most of the wanna be pvp dreamers who support this nerf want it to its that simple.
You seriously do not know/grasp why they are nerfing nano's? Do you really not see the issue? ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: lecrotta The only threads supporting this nerf normally last a page or so (mostly ppl disagreeing with the OP) go like this:
"good job ccp i think this may be a good thing perhaps"
Out of curiosity, where are your supporting threads? I tend to not read nano threads so often anymore so I haven't seen much of what you speak. Perhaps you could provide some links?
Try looking at the top of the thread pal there's plenty of em up their i posted in quite a few along with lots of others, 0plus spend a lot of time on the test server trying out fits and ships in gang combat.
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 30/10/2008 15:43:23
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: lecrotta
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
The people that oppose the nerf know very well that nano hacs are imbalanced and out of egoism they try to convince everyone it is fine even though it is not.
Oh yes using the "balance" word i was wondering when you were gonna drop that eve nerf "power word" out, are gonna use "broken" next?. Ppl like you draw it like a gun but the truth is that "balance" in a game with variety is when said variety is available to all.
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer These are people that base their whole operations/alliance/corp/warfare on one single tactic: Nanophagottry. It will be intresting to see how well these people do after nerf.
Ever siege'd a pos with nano?, ever taken space with nano?, ever killed a titan with nano?, ever beat a RR BS gang or logistic gang with nano?....no cos it cannot be done nano is a task specific style of pvp.
Nano is good for roaming deep in hostile space that is it, and its getting nerfed cos it will not sit still like the rats most of the wanna be pvp dreamers who support this nerf want it to its that simple.
You seriously do not know/grasp why they are nerfing nano's? Do you really not see the issue?
Because its unpopular with certain aspects of the community, namely carebears and paper tigers.
Why dont you explain it then but you are forbidden to use words like "broken" and "balance", your post must show and contain full content and combat scenarios.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: lecrotta
Because its unpopular with certain aspects of the community, namely carebears and paper tigers.
No, if they wanted to (with every right also) nerf the carebear community they would nerf high sec money making. This is not a carebear nerf. This is primarily a nerf to GTC-ebay-nano-warriors that is flooding eve lately. Good riddance imo. The veterans will have no problems whatsoever with the changes. ----------------------------------------- [Video] The Cruise |
Quixis
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Faildancer
Originally by: Quixis
Originally by: Lyria Trolldancer Stuff.....
So let me get this straight, because nano hacs are 'imbalanced' the whole game needs to be reworked?
Because speed has been broken a long time and there are so many variables now that you need to rework the whole system if you want to do it right.
I believe you'll find speed was just fine until i-stabs, which they fixed, but what followed just brought it all back.
Rigs, in combination with implants (high snakes are not as commons as the nerf herders would like us to believe) and various other SPEED mods.
So yea, I see your point.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: lecrotta
Because its unpopular with certain aspects of the community, namely carebears and paper tigers.
No, if they wanted to (with every right also) nerf the carebear community they would nerf high sec money making. This is not a carebear nerf. This is primarily a nerf to GTC-ebay-nano-warriors that is flooding eve lately. Good riddance imo. The veterans will have no problems whatsoever with the changes.
I think I have to agree here. No carebears I know were ever affected by nanos. Generally it has been the 0.0 occupants, and if you are carebearing in 0.0 and you get engaged by pvpers, then you are likely going to die nano or not. ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.30 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: lecrotta on 30/10/2008 15:54:33
Originally by: lecrotta
Because its unpopular with certain aspects of the community, namely carebears and paper tigers.
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer This is primarily a nerf to GTC-ebay-nano-warriors that is flooding eve lately. Good riddance imo. The veterans will have no problems whatsoever with the changes.
Veterans hate the changes, take your head out of the sand and look at all the threads about how bad these chasnges are ffs are you blind????, the ppl posting reports are not noobs or carebears they are high sp and xp pvpers and long term gamers telling ccp what a mistake they are making.
If it does go through yes ppl like myself will adapt first and continue to wipe the floor with the inept and the stupid but a great, skilled and entertaining form of pvp will be lost for ever.
Originally by: MyOwnSling I think I have to agree here. No carebears I know were ever affected by nanos. Generally it has been the 0.0 occupants, and if you are carebearing in 0.0 and you get engaged by pvpers, then you are likely going to die nano or not.
Its the 0.0 carebears im referring to, those ppl that think a ratting fitted ship is ok to use against a a pure pvp fitted gang in their space.
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