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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: LancashireUK on 31/10/2008 12:56:35
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 31/10/2008 12:53:51
Originally by: LancashireUK Heck, your really upset. Make a brew, calm down and then try again.
You have been explained repeatedly why that policy NEEDS to be like that, yet you persist in claiming it's a bad one. Maybe YOU should take a break and re-examine the reasons you're so convinced you're right and everybody else wrong.
Quote: This thread will no doubt be removed, so i'll make sure it's on my SEO enabled forums as well.
I started disliking you from that intro already. No, they won't DELETE it, at worst, they'd lock it.
CCP ADMITTED THEIR FAULT, SO I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LOSE OUT - That is what my problem is atm.
No, you just seriously have an attitude problem with people who don't agree with what you say. I'm free to express my opinion, and many threads are indeed deleted. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
The Slagh
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:57:00 -
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Not-So-Obvious Troll: Successful!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK CCP ADMITTED THEIR FAULT, SO I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LOSE OUT - That is what my problem is atm.
AND THEY REIMBURSED YOU FOR THEIR FAULT ! The rest of the stuff you're complaining about is YOUR fault.
Quote: No, you just seriously have an attitude problem with people who don't agree with what you say.
Only if their arguments are completely inadequate. And yours is.
Quote: I'm free to express my opinion, and many threads are indeed deleted.
Deleted threads contain inappropriate material. Rest are at worst locked.
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Ok, let's reset. Let's ASSUME for a second you MIGHT be right, and CCP should PROBABLY reverse their position on that particular policy. Think about EXACTLY what the implications of the reversal of that policy would be. Re-read what was already said before in this thread.
Make a coherent counter-argument in which you PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt nothing bad can possibly come out of reversing the policy, and start with the already raised issues : the risk of item duplication on one hand, and the inadequacy of removing items somebody else obtained from your wreck on the other hand.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK CCP ADMITTED THEIR FAULT,
...and gave you the same treatment others get--> your boat back plus the lost mods. That you didn't pick up your can is not their fault. Why should they treat you differently then others who lost their ships due to stuff going wrong?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
Clear Skies - an EVE vid with a difference.
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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: LancashireUK on 31/10/2008 13:10:40
Originally by: Maria Kalista
Originally by: LancashireUK CCP ADMITTED THEIR FAULT,
...and gave you the same treatment others get--> your boat back plus the lost mods. That you didn't pick up your can is not their fault. Why should they treat you differently then others who lost their ships due to stuff going wrong?
I understand what your saying, but then why should I for example, not being at fault, have to buy another ship to complete the mission to try and salvage the wreck?
If people are not at fault for things going wrong, they should not have to lose out in any way what so ever. I've expressed my opinion, and I think their policy is poor. This policy should also be on the sign up page and the EVE client, as the EULA doesn't mention this stuff either.
I'm not trying to have an argument, i'm trying to have a decent debate on the issue.
If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with, being at fault. It's not a problem of mine, if you can see what I mean. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Slagh Not-So-Obvious Troll: Successful!
Indeed.
Join New Eden Research today and never worry about queues again!
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knifee
Caldari Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:12:00 -
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So people are actually complaining about getting a positive response to a reimbursement petition now...
I hope your funny little threat about the SEO forum isn't empty Internet talk, caus I know I'm gonna need to look this thread up again later to prove that it really happened.
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:12:00 -
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always been that way, you were lucky to get anything back.
eve is so unfair !!1!!!1!!!!1111!!!!!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK I'm not trying to have an argument, i'm trying to have a decent debate on the issue.
You do ? Then try to answer the bottom part of my previous post. Because up until now, what you did was not debate, but proclaim again and again you're right and everybody else wrong. If you want a debate, start debating already.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK If people are not at fault for things going wrong, they should not have to lose out in any way what so ever. I've expressed my opinion, and I think their policy is poor. This policy should also be on the sign up page and the EVE client, as the EULA doesn't mention this stuff either.
Indeed the EULA does not mention reimbursement at all, instead it puts the responsibility for pretty much anything (almost including Acts of God) in your hands. If CCP applied the EULA instead of their reimbursement policy, you'd get nothing!
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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: LancashireUK I'm not trying to have an argument, i'm trying to have a decent debate on the issue.
You do ? Then try to answer the bottom part of my previous post. Because up until now, what you did was not debate, but proclaim again and again you're right and everybody else wrong. If you want a debate, start debating already.
And from my last post:
If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with, being at fault. It's not a problem of mine, if you can see what I mean. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: LancashireUK on 31/10/2008 13:21:16 *duplicate, please delete* ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
Confutious
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:21:00 -
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doh
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MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with
They do, they don't give you the stuff that dropped. ------------- Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
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davcin
Caldari davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: davcin on 31/10/2008 13:24:23
Originally by: LancashireUK
(...) CCP need to sort out their policies as they may find that other new space MMPORPG's become quite popular. (...)
EVE is popular?
But agree with OP since I also lost stuff because of connections lost and other things and they didn't care about it.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:24:00 -
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LOL, some people. Quite apart from the silly diva performance this guy is putting on, I just can't imagine letting your wreck evaporate without trying to get it's contents. That's stuff is like a magnet to me, I couldn't sleep without retrieving it.
It's quite possible that CCP does not have logs of what happened to the can' was it picked up by another player or did it just evaporate. You might think that this would be logged, but every little thing that gets recorded is CPU time that the server should be using for actual gameplay. So I'm not surprised they often seem to have no logs of things.
OP needs to build a bridge, etc.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: davcin
Originally by: LancashireUK
(...) CCP need to sort out their policies as they may find that other new space MMPORPG's become quite popular. (...)
EVE is popular?
There are other space MMORPGS?
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Stolen6901
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:25:00 -
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Wow, if this was real we'd not be allowed to talk about it cause it would be in the courts. Lancashire i understand what your saying, I know where CCP are coming from. I think your corp let you down by not telling you to get you Mod's from ya wreck.
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jj74
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:25:00 -
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You actually got a ship reimbursed? In 4 years of play, I've had one ship reimbursed: A Velator
I once lost a ship to WT's undocking from Jita while I was stuck on unable to warp or activate modules. The reimbursement was declined for, I sh*t you not, "There is no lag in Jita"
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with, being at fault. It's not a problem of mine, if you can see what I mean.
Yes, they are dealing with the issue. They have a POLICY for that. The policy is, whoever picked the stuff up keeps it. It's the only policy that's FAIR to all parties. And it's the policy you're describing as "poor".
Hmm... anyway... do you actually claim the policy itself is bad, or do you simply state you, personally, should be granted an EXCEPTION to that policy ? Do you even understand the meaning of the word "POLICY" ? Or why entities prefer to have policies instead of operating on a case-by-case basis ?
CCP admited it was a mistake. It was a known network issue, and they reimbursed you for all things you could have not gotten back all by yourself. The fact you CHOSE not to get the rest of the stuff yourself is no longer their problem. Just like it's never THEIR problem if your computer resets during a PvP battle, or your ISP drops, or anything not directly caused by CCP's gear.
Now, would you have had your stuff stolen from the wreck, I could almost understand the drama, but again, the policy would apply, and the other guy would RIGHTFULLY keep the goods. You could complain that YOU should be getting DUPLICATES of those items, but that only opens up the door to even more exploitation potential, so that would be a bad idea too. But no... you INTENTIONALLY left the can expire. That can only be described as a glorious combination of ignorance (of the policy) and stupidity (WHY NOT get the can anyway) ?
So, you either fail to understand why this is a good/fair/reasonable policy OR you believe you should be exempt from the ramifications of that policy. Which one is it ? And why exactly ?
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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: jj74 You actually got a ship reimbursed? In 4 years of play, I've had one ship reimbursed: A Velator
I once lost a ship to WT's undocking from Jita while I was stuck on unable to warp or activate modules. The reimbursement was declined for, I sh*t you not, "There is no lag in Jita"
No lag in Jita? I must admit, it's been good recently, but in the past it was always laggy in Jita. See what I mean about their policy. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
stupid flanders
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:30:00 -
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For serious, consider yourself lucky to get anything back, at the very least the next time it happens you will scoop your loot. Not their fault.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK No lag in Jita? I must admit, it's been good recently, but in the past it was always laggy in Jita. See what I mean about their policy.
Lag is not a reason to reimburse anyway (check the policy!). You got reimbursed because of network issues.
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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: LancashireUK If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with, being at fault. It's not a problem of mine, if you can see what I mean.
Yes, they are dealing with the issue. They have a POLICY for that. The policy is, whoever picked the stuff up keeps it. It's the only policy that's FAIR to all parties. And it's the policy you're describing as "poor".
Hmm... anyway... do you actually claim the policy itself is bad, or do you simply state you, personally, should be granted an EXCEPTION to that policy ? Do you even understand the meaning of the word "POLICY" ? Or why entities prefer to have policies instead of operating on a case-by-case basis ?
CCP admited it was a mistake. It was a known network issue, and they reimbursed you for all things you could have not gotten back all by yourself. The fact you CHOSE not to get the rest of the stuff yourself is no longer their problem. Just like it's never THEIR problem if your computer resets during a PvP battle, or your ISP drops, or anything not directly caused by CCP's gear.
Now, would you have had your stuff stolen from the wreck, I could almost understand the drama, but again, the policy would apply, and the other guy would RIGHTFULLY keep the goods. You could complain that YOU should be getting DUPLICATES of those items, but that only opens up the door to even more exploitation potential, so that would be a bad idea too. But no... you INTENTIONALLY left the can expire. That can only be described as a glorious combination of ignorance (of the policy) and stupidity (WHY NOT get the can anyway) ?
So, you either fail to understand why this is a good/fair/reasonable policy OR you believe you should be exempt from the ramifications of that policy. Which one is it ? And why exactly ?
I, as well as others, should have been exempt from that silly policy as it was their fault. The system was laggy and crashing due to a problem on their systems. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Genos Occidere Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:33:00 -
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I enjoy this troll. 7/10.
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Lufio II
Amarr n0thing Inc. Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK
(...) If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with, being at fault. It's not a problem of mine, if you can see what I mean.
While it has been CCPs fault that you lost the ship in the first place due to the sever issues, I honestly doubt that it's their fault that you did not bookmark and loot the wreck that was left over. You said yourself that you have been waiting to have this sorted out by CCP, but they also could sort that out while the stuff would be in your hangar already, couldn't they? The server problems a few days back haven't been that bad that you wouldn't have found the the time and opportunity to actually have that stuff salvaged before it vanished. In fact, if you'd had looted and salvaged the wreck, you'd probably had some free salvage parts on top of this... |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK I, as well as others, should have been exempt from that silly policy as it was their fault. The system was laggy and crashing due to a problem on their systems.
By your own admission, you LET your can expire. You COULD have collected it. Hence, not their problem, YOUR mistake. If the system would have been permanently down and you unable to log in at all to collect your can before it vanished, THEN and ONLY THEN should you get to be the exception to that policy.
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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lufio II
Originally by: LancashireUK
(...) If someone looted the can, then that is a CCP issue that they should deal with, being at fault. It's not a problem of mine, if you can see what I mean.
While it has been CCPs fault that you lost the ship in the first place due to the sever issues, I honestly doubt that it's their fault that you did not bookmark and loot the wreck that was left over. You said yourself that you have been waiting to have this sorted out by CCP, but they also could sort that out while the stuff would be in your hangar already, couldn't they? The server problems a few days back haven't been that bad that you wouldn't have found the the time and opportunity to actually have that stuff salvaged before it vanished. In fact, if you'd had looted and salvaged the wreck, you'd probably had some free salvage parts on top of this...
When the server kicks you off and your ship doesn't do anything at all, if you managed to log onto the game? Risk another ship? Risk the network crash?
I really wish I had now, believe me, but still my opinion is very much the same. ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rhak Amharr I enjoy this troll. 7/10.
Yeah but he's running around in circles.
*Who's on first? *no Who's on second What's on first. *who?
^ in other words: i give up.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal You put a bear in your tea???
Clear Skies - an EVE vid with a difference.
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LancashireUK
Caldari Paradigm Rise Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 31/10/2008 13:37:04
Originally by: LancashireUK I, as well as others, should have been exempt from that silly policy as it was their fault. The system was laggy and crashing due to a problem on their systems.
By your own admission, you LET your can expire. You COULD have collected it. Hence, not their problem, YOUR mistake. If the system would have been permanently down and you unable to log in at all to collect your can before it vanished, THEN and ONLY THEN should you get to be the exception to that policy. And the PROPER way to do it would have been to escalate your petition explaining the circumstances and why exactly do you believe you should get the exception.
Yes I let it expire because:
a.) I lost my ship due to their server being silly b.) I had petitioned the loss c.) I wasn't buying and risking a ship to collect the wreck and modules, mainly due to a.) ------ Killboard Hosting - www.eveonlinekb.com North West UK EVE Group - www.eve-nw.com |
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