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Sir Substance
Minmatar
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.01 07:43:00 -
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Jakooni
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Posted - 2008.11.01 08:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Sir Substance
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Aaspa
Echolalia.
Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 15:24:00 -
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Hello mate!
I am sorry you don't like the way we train skills in Eve. I understand that for some people it's annoying but this is also why so many people love this game. It is not a time-eater game like WoW in which you have to keep playing like crazy to have better skills. In Eve, you just need time, you don't have to play 10 hours a day and say goodbye to your social life to have better skills.
I hope you will find a game that suits you better 
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Ikathis sihtaki
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Posted - 2008.11.01 19:17:00 -
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time based training also keeps those social rejects from hitting end game in less then a month.
What fun would that be?!?!
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FarosWarrior
Amarr
Sonnema
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Posted - 2008.11.01 19:18:00 -
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only 1 thing:
WoW  way
is this my sig?
or does my sig start here?
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Derivi alicon
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Posted - 2008.11.01 20:41:00 -
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Don't Like it.
Don't Play it.
Enough Said.
go play WoW
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.01 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Syberbolt8
The skill system in eve is very complex, and a lot of us like it that way, it takes time to get into ships, otherwise you will be able to fly them all way to quickly and way before you understand how the game works.
Immanent unreasonable lack of progress, be it artificially or by bad design, or for whatever other reason, is one of the things that make me stop playing a game. It takes out all the fun and makes it a waste of time. If there is a good argumentation making it evident why having unreasonable lack of progress (and taking out the fun) designed into a game, I'd like to hear that.
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Kathrine Deepwater
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:14:00 -
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The way it is, is the way it is. Too bad. Go away.
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Infinion
Originally by: Llywelyin
Well, I want to be able to make progress at a reasonable rate. With having to wait on skills, it's not like making progress since you only need to wait, and since you have to wait so ridiculously long, even if you would go so far as to call waiting "making progress", you would not be progressing at a reasonable rate.
The way it is, it's taken out of your hands. They should rename the game from "EVE online" to "WAIT online", that would be much more appropriate.
if you are so worried about skill training time, try training learning skills and getting implants.
I did that, and it still takes ridiculously long. It didn't make much difference in training time, either. When it takes a week to train one skill and a week and a couple days to train another and maybe another day for another one so that you can finally fly the ship you want, a few hours less in training time for that doesn't make it reasonable to waste two months or so on training learning skills.
The most expensive implants I've seen give you only three points for an attribute. It still takes ridiculously long to train something with that ...
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Everybody wants to fly every ship in the game, but that doesn't mean ccp should change it so that they can.
They should have more different ships in the game and not make them so overly specialized for only one thing. Ships also should fly a lot faster.
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A "gheddon" is an Armagheddon so yes it is actually an amarr ship.
Well, it would take weeks to train the skills needed for that.
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You should not be "waiting" for skills like you describe. Find something that you can do in the mean time to aquire resources, join a corporation and do group activities like mining ops or complexes.
I already did that (except for complexes), but after that, I couldn't find anything to do but waiting. And why should I be forced to do things I don't want to do just because it takes ridiculously long to get the skills needed for what I want to do? That just sucks.
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A barge should be a goal for you, not something you expect to fly within a few days.
It's just a mining barge. Something to make money with. I shouldn't have to wait for months before I can fly that.
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Once certificates comes out take a look at them and see what options you have. Once a skill is trained you have it forever, and eve was not made in the sense of playing for a month and quitting so it may not be as intresting for the first month, but you will notice that you are significantly gaining abilities.
Well, I give it a month since that is what I already payed for. If the skills keep blocking me, if I have to keep waiting on them, I'm not going to pay more for that.
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Aaspa
Echolalia.
Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:27:00 -
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I don't understand why you are still whining on this forum if you don't like the game. Just go away!
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
You can do exploration with Astrometrics level 4 ( ~ a day of training offline) and a tech 1 frigate.
It takes a lot longer than a day to train that alone to level 4. It's also not the only skill you need, you need science, survey, electronics and maybe some others. I don't know how long all of that takes to train, but it's way longer than a day. And training that prevents you from training other things.
You need a skill for every breath you take. That's not a playable game, you can only sit and wait.
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You can do mining with a t1 frigate.
You can do missions with a t1 frigate.
Yeah, I did that, a couple days mining, a couple days missions. That is fun for only so long. But for mining, you need cargo space which the frigates don't have, so you don't really make money with that. Doing missions, you get the same missions over and over again, and after doing them two or three times, it's incredibly boring.
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You're complaining that you can't immediately do anything you want. This is false. You can immediately do anything you want, it just requires time to specialize in it if you want to be really good at it.
Ok, how I can fly a mining barge right now? Or go exploring right now? Do you have a way to skip the skill requirements?
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Derivi alicon
HSV Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Llywelyin
Ok, how I can fly a mining barge right now? Or go exploring right now? Do you have a way to skip the skill requirements?
buy character.
end of story
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.01 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Higher Life
Someone got fedup with rookie channel "help"
Not exactly ... I always turned that off because the text is appearing outside of the chat window (the client has some graphics problems) and because there are too many people on that channel to be a useful channel.
The game needs a good, coherent documentation ...
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you dont go out straight specializing in mining / missioning / ratting or any other forms as a starter.
I don't want to specialize at all, at least not while that would keep me from doing something else I want to do.
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You'll just die a horrible death quicker than you think.
It took AngryMax three seconds to destroy my destroyer. Now I've got a kill right on him, but even if I could find him, he's got the better ship, more skills and more experience, and he will probably continue to do so. That kill right is for nothing ...
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the trick to it is the short term skills. with trade lvl 3 you get 12 orders to play. that means exposure on a small scale about how trading works.
Trading doesn't work, I already tried that. You can't see what is being bought and sold at a particular place, so buying cheap and selling somewhere else for more doesn't really pay out. There is also no tool in the game to plan trade routes. I could try to write one, you can even download the map data as a database backup. But that's a useless backup because it requires a windoze sql server, and the support doesn't even respond to a question about converting it to something useful (like mysql) or making it available as a mysql dump --- just as they don't answer to other things. Obviously, the support sucks.
Anyway, trying to sell and buy without moving things around only had the orders expire, except for some sell orders selling some ship equipment I got from killed npcs.
And if I would try trading skills, that would keep me from training others. Did I mention that it sucks?
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Heck, you can even pawn rookie miners with a lvl 1 frigate...
I'm not a pirate.
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the trick is to WORK in that category.
not aim for all top calibre skills.
I'm not "aiming" for skills. I'm merely forced to wait on them to be allowed to do something I want to, like in the "category" of mining. Having to wait instead of being able to play is not what I would pay for.
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learn the complexities of what you have and what you can put it against.
I already did that.
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I've seen T1 ships taking out T2 ships on a regular basis.
not because they have better guns. but just tactics - working "together" in a fleet.
There is not much room for tactics when it takes three seconds before your ship is destroyed. And if it takes longer, there is not much to decide about: Which weapon to fire on which target, change course or not (you can't even really steer your ship), when to run. Without having waited a long time for skills and without having a more powerful or at least equal ship, you're not going to win a fight.
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besides, once you've mastered mining. you wont survive on the long run. because you lack exposure to other components of eve. and you'll die a horrible death of boredom in that capsule...
Yeah, you got the point: Having to wait on skills is totally blocking you.
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:03:00 -
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Hmm, there are characters with the same owners that have been playing for 5 years now. Really can't be that bad of a game if everyone hasn't already cancelled subs and left.
Trading is the most simple thing in this game, buy good, look on market for where is good place to sell, and you are done, spend a lil extra time, and go to other regions, and you make even more iskie.
No one will be able to convince you to play because you have it in your mind that this game is too slow for you. Go back to an fps and get your instant glorification.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:08:00 -
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Why isn't this trolling closed and deleted? Should I take it the mods like the devs doesn't give a flying achura about it since Assembly Hall?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:13:00 -
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Assembly who?
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yue Rubens
Edited by: Yue Rubens on 01/11/2008 07:02:39
The fact that you post here is (sorry if I misinterpret) a strong sign that you can at least barely feel the fascination and power of eve. And now that you're stuck, you need us to give you a reason to stay?
Well, I like this kind of game. I wish it was playable.
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Look around how many years old characters there are. Consider in what positions of (relative) power they find themselves, and ask yourself: what have those plaers endured to get there?
What about it? I don't have a way to tell what powers someone might have, and I don't care what they are or what someone "endured" to get them. They probably had fun playing; if this game needs to be "endured" instead, I'd wonder why anyone plays it. And I'm not looking to become powerful --- I know how that feels (in RL), and I don't want any more of it than I can't avoid.
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- This game is LITTERALLY SUPPOSED to take you years.
Why then does it block ppl from playing it with ridiculous training time for getting skills?
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You're fanatically trying to get everything done,
No, I'm not. I only want to do things that appear fun to do, like go mining in a mining barge.
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but think about it: how have you improved your abilites in RL in the past year?
By doing, not by waiting --- if I had only waited, I'd have learned nothing.
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Be glad there is this cool matrix-style skills you just plug into your head and you learn instead of slowly by doing things (WoW!).
No, learning is by waiting for the training time to expire, not by
doing anything. It's not possible to do what you're waiting for to be
learned before it has been learned, and if that happens to be what you
want to do, you are forced to wait.
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- Limitless possibilities await.
Yeah, you're forced to wait ...
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In other games, you pick "mage", and then you're a mage. And you will become a good mage, but all you will be doing for the rest of your life is throwing fireballs.
Yes, I appreciate that a character is not fixed after it has been
created, but considering how long it takes to learn skills, changing
it to somehting else is more a theoretical possiblility than a
practical one. It's not like you could change out one skill or set of
skills for another, you would have to train them all from scratch. And
it doesn't seem to be possible to influence what rank you get in a
particular skill, or is it?
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- You are at the limit of what you can do. WROOONG.
Who said that I am?
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Theres Traders in eve who complete their first bil on day 16.
And how do they do that?
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- If you're really done with mission running and it's easy to you,
nice :) Congratulations on mastering your first
profession. You should now be able to grind a good amount of
money in a very short time (for your level and your level of needs.)
How about adding a second profession.
It's not a profession, only what seemed to make the most
money/time. I've got enough money for now, and even if didn't, doing
the same missions over and over again is boring.
To "add a second profession", as you call it, might not be possible
before the subscription time runs out because it takes too long to
learn the required skills.
And I'm only talking about flying a mining barge here. That's probably
fun for a day or two, but then what? Wait another month or two on the
skills to do something else?
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- Finally, when you reach the level of good money making, time has
come to leave kindergarden space. I cannot stress how important
this is. Living in the dangerous outskirts, and being prepared to
fight as whenever, at all times, hostile players can and will try to
kill me during mining / ratting / exploration is a very tense
experience.
It's only interesting before you actually are killed. I tried it, and
took a few hours before it happened, and it was fun. But if it happens
all the time --- and it will, since there will always be someone with
more skills and a more powerful ship --- what's the point of doing it?
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Ikathis sihtaki
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:29:00 -
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Yes man, skills take time to learn, yes sometimes that time can be a real effn drag. But in that time of training, instead of crying like a girl, to have something that sets this game apart from any other out there (cept dreamlords : that is a weird one there)change, you could be grinding away iskies for that new shinee that you are training up for.
You don't grind for xp in this game, like every other asherons clone out there, you grind for iskies to buy shinees.
NOW STFU AND PLAY THE EFFN GAME YOU GIRL SCOUT,
or just stfu and go play america's army, that is free.
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Ikathis sihtaki
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ikathis sihtaki on 02/11/2008 00:42:11
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So if you're not trolling, and are still around, how about you convo
me and we'll talk about a few things you can do?
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We can do that, I have 29 days or so left.
What he said right there, made me giggle like a girl. Either you have played for 1 day past your 14 day trial. Or you have only played for one day......
/me is feeling foolish for being trolled by a non new guy to the game.
Most of the skills you are looking at at this point, probably take you no longer then a week to train.
After you get to a point wher eyou can make iskies, you should be concentrating on getting ALL OF YOUR LEARNING SKILLS UP.
This will cut down most training (unless you are trying to spec ie using a hulk) to manageable levels.
Then you start plugging in +4 implants, and now your skills are taking very little time to train, unless again you are trying to spec (ie flying a kronos)
Yes, those things should take time to learn, why should every social reject be able to reach end game in less then a month like, oh say in wow. Can anyone say level 70 in less then a week?
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:23:00 -
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You are aware that skill training is real time, right? E.g. you don't have to be online to train frigate 4?
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Thorson Wiles
Minmatar
M3 Co-Op
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Posted - 2008.11.02 01:38:00 -
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I've read the thread (to post 50) and I've come to one conclusion for the OP:
This isn't he game for you. STFU. Find something else.
(Full disclosure -- OK, I may be drunk now, cause I'm beyond tipsy)
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Umm, yeah. Don't have any time to talk now. Maybe later.
Ahh, you wouldn't happen to have any duct-tape, bailing wire or bubble-gun would ya? Don't a |
Ikathis sihtaki
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Thorson Wiles
I've read the thread (to post 50) and I've come to one conclusion for the OP:
This isn't he game for you. STFU. Find something else.
(Full disclosure -- OK, I may be drunk now, cause I'm beyond tipsy)
CHEER FO TEH BEER GET DRUNKZORS FO TEH PWNZORS!!!!
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Aaspa
Echolalia.
Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
You are aware that skill training is real time, right? E.g. you don't have to be online to train frigate 4?
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Infinion
Caldari
Retribution Enterprises
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.11.02 05:00:00 -
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I'm sorry Llywelyin, but this is the Features and Ideas section of the forums. What you are proposing isn't related to the nature of this forum section.
I understand that you want to do all these things in eve and I can understand that you are concerned about how long it will take you to do these things, but you have to know which skills to train so that you don't block yourself from doing things. I was able to do lot's of things and I even got a barge in my second month after training other unrelated skills so why can't you do the same thing?
I'm going to be harsh here but if you have this much time to reply to everyone and make even more ridiculous arguments then maybe you should browse this website more. Most of the points you are making have already been discussed; everything else is just something a new player with a lack of patience and a whole lot of time for criticism would say.
There are 53 replies to this thread, including my own, while 3 or 4 of those posts are yours. However, the rest of the replies are all in disagreement of the message you are trying to convey and this should tell you something.
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Relicc
Caldari
House InVisus
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Posted - 2008.11.02 05:34:00 -
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I still say hes just screwing with you guys.
If he likes the game, he'll play it. If the skill training is too much for him to handle, then he wont. Its none of our concern.
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Infinion
Caldari
Retribution Enterprises
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.11.02 05:38:00 -
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that may be true, but when he makes a thread then it automatically becomes something public
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente
The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.02 06:11:00 -
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I want to try out all the titans but I don't want to work to get them! eve is unfair and broken!
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Cheopis
Ardishapur Ammunition and More
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Posted - 2008.11.02 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Llywelyin
A "few hours" is already long.
LOL I am happy when I can train a skill that takes less than 10 days :)
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.02 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ikathis sihtaki
you could be grinding away iskies for that new shinee that you are training up for.
No point, I already have the money I need. If I need more, I can make some more. Maybe the waiting takes longer than the subscription time left, so why waste time with it? You can't even see how long it takes to learn all the skills needed; the interface is rather poor.
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Llywelyin
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Posted - 2008.11.02 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
You are aware that skill training is real time, right? E.g. you don't have to be online to train frigate 4?
Yeah, I know. Maybe you would even like it better if skills were only trained while online?
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