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Natasha Xi
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:03:00 -
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So there's a lot of raving about missiles, speed tanks, etc. Here's your quick and easy guide to make life easier on yourself once more.
1. Train "Target Painting" to L4 2. Train "Signature Focusing" to L3 or 4 (5% bonus to targets sig radius) 3. Train "Long Range Targeting" to L3 or 4 ( not really necessary but gives max range on cruise/target painting if you have the flight time, etc) 4. Train "Electronic Warfare" to L2, in order to... 5. Train "Frequency Modulation" to L3 or L4 (10% falloff bonus for TP's) 6. Train "Long Distance Jamming" to L3 or L4 (10% optimal range for TP's) 7. Fit a T2 Target Painter to your ship 8. Activate it on target 9. Pwn it with your cruises
Et Voila! Problem solved.
The alternative is to gimp the target with a couple of webbers - or have a gang mate to it whilst you tank and shoot dps. The above 9 steps will help solo Raven/CNR pilots in missions BUT the drawback is you lose 1 mid slot so you'll have to tank more efficiently.
Remember that this "nerf" also works both ways - if you too keep on the move they still have to overcome your "speed tank" (lolz at Raven speedtank) so the loss of a mid slot isn't too much of a problem.
Captain! They've adapted! 
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:04:00 -
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switch to HACS Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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Natasha Xi
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Squably switch to HACS
Or this! 
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:09:00 -
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With the exception of #9 all of the things you've suggested involve actually having to change a cookie-cutter Raven build and is therefore invalid.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:09:00 -
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What about if you already used a painter?
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel With the exception of #9 all of the things you've suggested involve actually having to change a cookie-cutter Raven build and is therefore invalid.
Cookie-cutter Ravens have lost their edge and cannot even cut cake. Think of steps #1–#8 as sharpeners.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 12/11/2008 14:20:57 Preaching to the choir Tippia 
Sadly it's easier and quicker for the 1.03902+e16 Raven/CNR cruise users to just whine on the forums about it rather than actually train up target painting.
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Hlidskjalf
Novus Aevum Transport and Industries Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:27:00 -
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Simply put - a Raven should have a target painter regardless of skills, patches etc. The ability to add another 20-80 damage to a target per missile, while still maintaining a solid tank, is like having another BCU on there. Yeah, everyone flies one different, and you may disagree, but I have found a TP to be most useful.
My fit for reference: (CNR - with a Raven, the same, except perhaps NOS or another drone link aug in the highs) High: 7 cruise, 1 drone link Mid: XLSB, 4 hardeners, 1 target painter Low: 3 BCU, 2 PDU Rig: 3 SCMC I Rigs - - - - - - - - - What could possibly make me walk into your gate camp to get to low sec, unless my Retriever has a doomsday device on it...
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Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:31:00 -
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T2 Target Painter is worse than best named in fitting and activation cost.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Preaching to the choir Tippia 
Sadly it's easier and quicker for the 1.03902+e16 Raven/CNR cruise users to just whine on the forums about it rather than actually train up target painting.
I suppose… That would explain why they get so confused by the Golem's bonuses and come of thinking it's worse than its T1 counterparts. 
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Aarin Wrath
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:52:00 -
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Funny, I have been using target painters on my BS gunboats for about a year or more now.
Why haven't people been screaming about how this is a nice buff to Minmitar? (target painter bonuses on thier ships!)
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:57:00 -
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Decent advice with 1 correction.
Use a PWNAGE instead of a T2 target painter as they are far easier to fit.
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Bezariel
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:00:00 -
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As the man said, use painters.
Or better still, get a Golem and use a pair of bonused painters - with reasonable skills you will double target sig (after stacking)
Painters work to great ranges and draw aggro too!
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:03:00 -
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I've always used TP2 in my missioning Typhoon, now life is even better.
He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |

Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:14:00 -
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I love this PWNAGE pun ^^
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Bellawulf
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:16:00 -
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Thanks, these are good suggestions. (Yes, I'm a noob here).
What is HACS, by the way?
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ramzahn
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Xi So there's a lot of raving about missiles, speed tanks, etc. Here's your quick and easy guide to make life easier on yourself once more.
1. Train "Target Painting" to L4 2. Train "Signature Focusing" to L3 or 4 (5% bonus to targets sig radius) 3. Train "Long Range Targeting" to L3 or 4 ( not really necessary but gives max range on cruise/target painting if you have the flight time, etc) 4. Train "Electronic Warfare" to L2, in order to... 5. Train "Frequency Modulation" to L3 or L4 (10% falloff bonus for TP's) 6. Train "Long Distance Jamming" to L3 or L4 (10% optimal range for TP's) 7. Fit a T2 Target Painter to your ship 8. Activate it on target 9. Pwn it with your cruises
Et Voila! Problem solved.
The alternative is to gimp the target with a couple of webbers - or have a gang mate to it whilst you tank and shoot dps. The above 9 steps will help solo Raven/CNR pilots in missions BUT the drawback is you lose 1 mid slot so you'll have to tank more efficiently.
Remember that this "nerf" also works both ways - if you too keep on the move they still have to overcome your "speed tank" (lolz at Raven speedtank) so the loss of a mid slot isn't too much of a problem.
Captain! They've adapted! 
Thank you. That might be a light in the darkness. We'll see.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:24:00 -
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DEATH TO THE COOKIE-CUTTER RAVEN!
ALL HAIL THE TARGET PAINTING RAVEN!
And all our problems were solved...
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:29:00 -
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As an alternate use for your alt, put him/her in a Bellicose (minnie cruiser).... You'll not have to sacrifice your Raven tank then.
7.5% bonus to target painter effectiveness per skill level.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Mara Kell
Steel Beasts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:31:00 -
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Can i get some medslots to fit Painters?
Not everyone with missiles flies a caldari ship....
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Decent advice with 1 correction.
Use a PWNAGE instead of a T2 target painter as they are far easier to fit.
Forget that, Fit PWNIES instead!
 Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Dravius Luxor
Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:58:00 -
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Being Minmatar, I rarely fly without a painter.
But when I fly Caldari, I normally fit a painter anyway...
...and, um, when I fly Gallente I tend to fit a painter as well...
I've forgotten what my point is, but I'm sure someone will figure it out.
Anyway, once again, congrats on a nice patch!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:01:00 -
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Get a Bellicose alt and you're good. 
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bellawulf Thanks, these are good suggestions. (Yes, I'm a noob here).
What is HACS, by the way?
These are HACs
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Sileam
Caldari NosferaTech
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Natasha Xi So there's a lot of raving about missiles, speed tanks, etc. Here's your quick and easy guide to make life easier on yourself once more.
1. Train "Target Painting" to L4 2. Train "Signature Focusing" to L3 or 4 (5% bonus to targets sig radius) 3. Train "Long Range Targeting" to L3 or 4 ( not really necessary but gives max range on cruise/target painting if you have the flight time, etc) 4. Train "Electronic Warfare" to L2, in order to... 5. Train "Frequency Modulation" to L3 or L4 (10% falloff bonus for TP's) 6. Train "Long Distance Jamming" to L3 or L4 (10% optimal range for TP's) 7. Fit a T2 Target Painter to your ship 8. Activate it on target 9. Pwn it with your cruises
Et Voila! Problem solved.
The alternative is to gimp the target with a couple of webbers - or have a gang mate to it whilst you tank and shoot dps. The above 9 steps will help solo Raven/CNR pilots in missions BUT the drawback is you lose 1 mid slot so you'll have to tank more efficiently.
Remember that this "nerf" also works both ways - if you too keep on the move they still have to overcome your "speed tank" (lolz at Raven speedtank) so the loss of a mid slot isn't too much of a problem.
Captain! They've adapted! 
Hello, another EFT general! Thank you very much for your enlightened advices :)
Now teach me where do I put my SHIELD TANK on the RAVEN where I have 1 TARGET PAINTER, 2 (a couple) WEBBERS and 1 AFTERBURNER to catch my targets into web range 
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.11.12 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sileam
Originally by: Natasha Xi So there's a lot of raving about missiles, speed tanks, etc. Here's your quick and easy guide to make life easier on yourself once more.
1. Train "Target Painting" to L4 2. Train "Signature Focusing" to L3 or 4 (5% bonus to targets sig radius) 3. Train "Long Range Targeting" to L3 or 4 ( not really necessary but gives max range on cruise/target painting if you have the flight time, etc) 4. Train "Electronic Warfare" to L2, in order to... 5. Train "Frequency Modulation" to L3 or L4 (10% falloff bonus for TP's) 6. Train "Long Distance Jamming" to L3 or L4 (10% optimal range for TP's) 7. Fit a T2 Target Painter to your ship 8. Activate it on target 9. Pwn it with your cruises
Et Voila! Problem solved.
The alternative is to gimp the target with a couple of webbers - or have a gang mate to it whilst you tank and shoot dps. The above 9 steps will help solo Raven/CNR pilots in missions BUT the drawback is you lose 1 mid slot so you'll have to tank more efficiently.
Remember that this "nerf" also works both ways - if you too keep on the move they still have to overcome your "speed tank" (lolz at Raven speedtank) so the loss of a mid slot isn't too much of a problem.
Captain! They've adapted! 
Hello, another EFT general! Thank you very much for your enlightened advices :)
Now teach me where do I put my SHIELD TANK on the RAVEN where I have 1 TARGET PAINTER, 2 (a couple) WEBBERS and 1 AFTERBURNER to catch my targets into web range 
Ooops, logic beat the EFT General. He needs to adapt his argument if we're gonna accept useless missiles .
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sileam Hello, another EFT general! Thank you very much for your enlightened advices :)
Now teach me where do I put my SHIELD TANK on the RAVEN where I have 1 TARGET PAINTER, 2 (a couple) WEBBERS and 1 AFTERBURNER to catch my targets into web range 
Good thing he didn't tell you to do that, isn't it?
He told you to fit one TP, or have a couple of webbers in your group. No mention was made about fitting an afterburner.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2008.11.12 19:09:00 -
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Why are there so many people like the OP that just don't realize.
SIGNATURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!
The effects of signature now are exactly the same as they have always been.
Its the fact explosion velocity got nerfed by a factor of 10. Even shooting cruise at a BS rat your damage is reduced by about 15-25% compared to pre-patch. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |

RoCkEt X
Caldari The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.12 19:10:00 -
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increasing sig radius DOES help with exp velocity, its hard to explain with only text but trust me it does, this is good advice, but EVERY SINGLE POINT needs you to fit a TP, nuking ur tank.
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Sombike
Caldari Enterprise Estonia FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.12 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sombike on 12/11/2008 19:14:07 19:06:14 Combat Group of Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile hit Corpum Shadow Sage for 3492 damage.
I beg to differ, seems to be a boost to my missioning cnr actually ... No painters, no webs was used, the target was 70km off from me :)Probably had activated an mwd, but thats not my problem, is it?
Aight guys, just shot a Battleship ... 19:10:41 Combat Group of Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile hit Corpus Oracle for 4295 damage. Im quessing something went wrong with the formula there?
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