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InSession Minmatar Mafia Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:43:00 - [121] No more Ravens wtfowning the rats so easily. Everyone was like "haha you nano*** you're gonna suck after this patch." Now I'm killing these Raven noobs even faster. Use a Cerb to rat. And use drones in your missions to kill small stuff. Stop being so lazy and play EVE like the rest of us do and utilize everything you are given. Raven has a drone bay, use it.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.11.13 04:54:00 - [122] It is nice to notice that there is no one post yet where someone says missiles are fine and can say how they are fine. Missiles are not totally broken but there is some situtations where missiles are totallu useless, like against afterburning ships no matter ship size or type of missile in use. It is only matter of time when all enemies uses all tricks to fool missiles and then caldari pvp pilot can not do much. You can try to use target painter, web , web drones and target painter drones, but there is no much slots or bonuses for those in caldari ships and even if you use those it may not help much.
haz bro Caldari Doom Guard Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.13 05:06:00 - [123] Edited by: haz bro on 13/11/2008 05:06:50 Edited by: haz bro on 13/11/2008 05:06:01 They actualy bogged it up lol... they did't take in account that npc BS do still unchanged speeds. CCP looked only at the player based ships...but hell i won the bet we made hehe iam one happy caldari now :D (we knew CCP would bog it up) Ohw i forgot to mention iam caldari to cheers*
Ian Luxor Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.13 08:40:00 - [124] I tried some Missions in my Torp-Golem yesterday and i only recognized that torps, even with a Target Painter are not able to kill for example a Guristas Webifier in reasonable time. So i only got problems with Frigs or Elite Frigs. The solution to that problem was deploying T2 Light Drones.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.11.13 08:44:00 - [125] Originally by: Ian Luxor I tried some Missions in my Torp-Golem yesterday and i only recognized that torps, even with a Target Painter are not able to kill for example a Guristas Webifier in reasonable time. So i only got problems with Frigs or Elite Frigs. The solution to that problem was deploying T2 Light Drones. Exactly. Just like every other damn battleship in the game needs to do, when facing small ships. The fact that the Raven has been able to use a "one size fits all" solution (and skip drone skills) has been the problem -- and the reason there are a bazillion-and-one low-skill Raven mission runners soloing lvl4s. That has now been fixed. Welcome to Eve, guys!
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.11.13 08:50:00 - [126] get`s popcorn and soda to watch the show.. www.garia.net
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.13 08:56:00 - [127] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 13/11/2008 08:56:23 Anyone complaining about killing web-frigates or elite frigates...try tachyons That's why my drone bay has those smoking, rude talking, "Hoo-a!" shouting light drones that get the job done Also, do it "dummy" style and fit one rocket launcher My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:39:00 - [128] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien I shouldn't have to use target painters just to hit my own ship class. Good news! You don't.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:44:00 - [129] Tachs instapop frigs if you can get em at range .. take worlds collide first room as an example where you simply shoot em from extreme range so transversal is not a factor. Ofcourse once they are up close and starts orbiting there are problems but if you catch em at range turretbased battleships got no major problems blowing up frigates.
Ultrakorne	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:46:00 - [130] Originally by: Bad Messenger It is nice to notice that there is no one post yet where someone says missiles are fine and can say how they are fine. Missiles are not totally broken but there is some situtations where missiles are totallu useless, like against afterburning ships no matter ship size or type of missile in use. It is only matter of time when all enemies uses all tricks to fool missiles and then caldari pvp pilot can not do much. You can try to use target painter, web , web drones and target painter drones, but there is no much slots or bonuses for those in caldari ships and even if you use those it may not help much. that's it ... rocket and light missile SHOULD be fine with small ships... io dont know how cruiser / torpedo are now but rockets and light missile are not fine now

AlexFaith	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:50:00 - [131] Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Caldari is no longer useful... No PVP no Missions... One more reason to quit from eve online.... whats your missile sp ?? whats your support skills?? what missions you running? what fit you got ? my cnr strolls through missions just as easy as it ever did..... couple mins and a few bits of extra ammo needed. swap the med drones out for light. whats your issue? and 100m/s? really? 100m/s jesus, something that is about 100x bigger than a shuttle is doing a 6th of the speed? outrageous isnt it i mean there ought to be a law or something quit ? please dont........
eliminator2 Gallente Fatality. Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:50:00 - [132] Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Caldari is no longer useful... No PVP no Missions... One more reason to quit from eve online.... i luv reading caldari whines there the biggest whiners of all and over dramatic ^^ PVE caldari are still good for it ou claim your ship goes 100m/s my abaddon goes slower than that because i have rigs onit as well and its base speed is 101m/s without rigs so dnt complain about speed because gallente are most hit with that since we need speed for getting in range PVP: caldari are still the actually most used race for PVP because of there falcon and scorp and crow everyone uses the falcon over any of the other caldari ships before and after patch crow was second most used caldari ship for pvp before and after so dont complaiun about no more pvp and you so they ruined u bah i no more about your race and im gallente/amarr but the biggest hit race is minmatar so how about caldari stfu and let minmatar say about there problems ADAPT is your friend if not DIE is your friend
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.13 09:52:00 - [133] Edited by: Hyveres on 13/11/2008 09:55:48 Edited by: Hyveres on 13/11/2008 09:55:25 Originally by: Bad Messenger It is nice to notice that there is no one post yet where someone says missiles are fine and can say how they are fine. Missiles are not totally broken but there is some situtations where missiles are totallu useless, like against afterburning ships no matter ship size or type of missile in use. It is only matter of time when all enemies uses all tricks to fool missiles and then caldari pvp pilot can not do much. You can try to use target painter, web , web drones and target painter drones, but there is no much slots or bonuses for those in caldari ships and even if you use those it may not help much. In a decent gang with other people tackling and ewar support missiles should still do "full" damage. Once you slap several webs on a cruiser then have it dualpainted even cruise missiles will hurt it quite badly. Ofcourse being dependant on gang support in order to PvP means no soloplay for missileusers.
Ackwell Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:07:00 - [134] Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Get a Rokh, laddie! Born in Caldari State Raised by Khanid Kingdom Living for Amarr Empire Dying for Imperial Pharmacy
Andrea Tesla Caldari Crazy Clone Warriors of Disaster	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:11:00 - [135] When I was testing L4 Missions last night, I was kind of concentrating... Judging by the ammount of whine, I had expected to explode and loose my Pod and my wallet, when entering a mission already. Instead I was met with pretty much low risk and same reward as before. Yes, I admit, that I am using a Nighthawk and got pretty good missile skills... Only thing I noticed is that some frigs take longer to kill than cruisers.. so what. They still do not harm me in any substantial way. I am waiting to get the "the Buzz" mission, where there is something around 90 frigs as targets. Maybe that mission will be more of a challenge now (so far it was FOF missiles ready, engage, sleep, reload, fire, sleep) AT
Le Cardinal Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:14:00 - [136] Cerb and Nighthawk. Enuff said really. I tested them yesterday and they still rock. I agree with alot here regarding skills. No more easyride for missilepilots. Personally i have peaked most of my missileskills and do good dmg. If your missiles dont hit properly. Learn how to use them. But there is a point with fitting TP's and webs. Caldari have to sacrifice their tank for it. Other races dont. This being said, i like the new patch (and i prefer caldariships). Back to more oldschool tanking and spanking. No more flashman ships as prepatch had. Oh and for the record to the trolls. I never mission and last time i ratted was 6 months ago ;)
AlexFaith	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:16:00 - [137] Originally by: eliminator2 Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Caldari is no longer useful... No PVP no Missions... One more reason to quit from eve online.... i luv reading caldari whines there the biggest whiners of all and over dramatic ^^ PVE caldari are still good for it ou claim your ship goes 100m/s my abaddon goes slower than that because i have rigs onit as well and its base speed is 101m/s without rigs so dnt complain about speed because gallente are most hit with that since we need speed for getting in range PVP: caldari are still the actually most used race for PVP because of there falcon and scorp and crow everyone uses the falcon over any of the other caldari ships before and after patch crow was second most used caldari ship for pvp before and after so dont complaiun about no more pvp and you so they ruined u bah i no more about your race and im gallente/amarr but the biggest hit race is minmatar so how about caldari stfu and let minmatar say about there problems ADAPT is your friend if not DIE is your friend my mini alt wants to marry you....
Nsiah The Perfect Storm	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:41:00 - [138] I had quite some trouble with the intys on level 4 missions - what I did in the end was use my drake to kill the small stuff then switched to my ravens for the BS. (only because my skills in the drake prevented me from breaking the BS tanks). Think im gonna go back and refine my BC skills then move on to command ship training. Amarr Militia Pilot Armada Corporation
TradePirate	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:43:00 - [139] hahahaha Gotta love the "OMG MY MISSION RAVEN NO LONGER WORKS, THE SKY IS FALLING" Rage Quit threads.
Major Templar Caldari DFX Industries	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:51:00 - [140] I'm Caldari, I saw this coming, the overpowered Caldari missile issue. Pre-Patch I was flying Caracal, missiles and all, Post-Patch, I'm flying a Moa, rail guns loaded, I'm doing perfectly fine on Lvl 2 missions right now and some Lvl 3 with friends. Not that hard to make the switch between missiles and guns. Just adapt to it or stop running missions.

easylad Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:03:00 - [141] Could make a mint with all the carebear tears in here. Now you know how us nano pilots felt. Adapt or Die
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:07:00 - [142] I like the new missile patch Yes I fly caldari Yes I use painters and light drones killed officer just this morning with my raven, wheres the problem? I don't really get the issue here. According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:42:00 - [143] Edited by: KhaniKirai on 13/11/2008 11:42:34 Still its ridiculous that hacs and bc outperform a raven now in loads of roles. They forgot 1 thing in this patch: They should give all the missile ships bonus to ALL types of missiles. So a raven also get bonus if using heavy and heavy assault. That would make a raven still valid, but otherwise its better to buy a cheaper ship, that has more dps vs your bs sized ratting targets, that has better resist, that is faster, that get hit less easily etc. They changed the way bonusses were working on these ships long long ago and told everyone, you need to fit the weapon types against your own size. Well, that has changed, but the bonusses were not changed back. Pretty weird. Another issue, that also needs a FIX FAST: Now drones are getting basically NEEDED, when are the caldari getting a decent drone bay and bandwith? When are the eagle and cerberus getting also drone space?
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:46:00 - [144] Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Caldari is no longer useful... No PVP no Missions... One more reason to quit from eve online.... Fortunately for Caldari, station spinning still works the same as it did in beta.
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:02:00 - [145] "Fit 2 (TPs); unlike a BCS they don't have stacking penalties. I am still rearranging my fits and trying to decide how to optimize with a smaller tank." People keep spewing this BS, TP's are subject to stacking penalties. People who tell you differently lie. /Riv
ekalami	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:18:00 - [146] Originally by: KhaniKirai They forgot 1 thing in this patch: They should give all the missile ships bonus to ALL types of missiles. So a raven also get bonus if using heavy and heavy assault. Thats fine as long as all gunnery ships get bonus to all gun sizes too. Or do you think that caldari should have an advantage over everyone else? I for one would love a dominix with a full rack of bonused heavy (cruiser size) neutron blasters and awesome tank
Lorna Loot Caldari Maximum Yarrage	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:23:00 - [147] AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's for my nano's ****tards ----------
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:26:00 - [148] Originally by: KhaniKirai They forgot 1 thing in this patch: They should give all the missile ships bonus to ALL types of missiles. So a raven also get bonus if using heavy and heavy assault. WTB gun using ship with a bonus on all the guns sizes. Or even 2 guns sizes, as some Caldari missile ships as with the Heavy/assault launcher bonus.
a3hayman	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:33:00 - [149] i am true caldari its all i fly and after readign i thought i better try a mission as have not since the patch and have not tried my missiles yet,well i see no difference my raven is set up the same and does the same job as it did before,i always used drones to kill frigs and soem cruisers cus its free(tight i know) and saves me missiles,so i dont see what eveyr one is moaning on about.I have 9 mill sp in missiles so just skill up ppl and there is no diff imho
Valandria Koshun Caldari Atum Nocturnem	Posted - 2008.11.13 12:40:00 - [150] Originally by: KhaniKirai It is silly when a BC performs better then a BS. So the BS has no role left anymore :/ thats the point im really mad about an cnr worth 10times a drake is now quite a joke i dont think that this is intendet



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