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MenanceWhite Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:31:00 - [31] well look at that. another achura complaining. looks like the whine unill nerf because I suck too much tactic backfired, didnt it -copy paste for every whining achura thread- --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:33:00 - [32] Before you whine, please remember everyone is in the same boat, all you need to do is adapt and try to become better then others.
Corwain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:35:00 - [33] I ran missions yesterday, minor difference if any. Train some (in-game) skills, or learn some (RL) skill. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Ultrakorne	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Ultrakorne something like that :) be serious, what's the problem? if u could try a low char versus frigate you would change you mind i bet When I started, I was doing level 2's in a rifter, and level 3's in a rupture. I didn't fly a BS for about a year. We've all been there in small ships, just sometimes you have to be a little more creative than "sit still, spam missiles" tl/dr: you are doing it wrong i got that, i have missile bonus ship / class and skill.. its normal that i want to use missiles (and there are a plenty of types) today i spent hours trying fits, changing modules, trying rockets, light, heavy missiles. web, painters belive me. btw i bet they will change something. u think i just whine for nothing because i want to quest with a unfitted ship spamming missiles, i assure i am not.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:43:00 - [35] Edited by: Shadowsword on 12/11/2008 19:44:00 Originally by: Zeko Rena Nighthawk My toughts exactly. Fast enough that going without an AB isn't too painfull, nice 700m3 cargo, nice tank, decent gank, and heavy missiles should be reasonnably effective against anything... And the best is, unlike the fugly raven, the NH actually look good. ------------------------------------------
Asestorian Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:48:00 - [36] I'm getting quite the sense of deja vu here. I feel sorry for the better Caldari players, having to put up with a group as whiny as the rest of them are. Every time something changes with Caldari there are loads of whines. --- Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
Ayeless	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:52:00 - [37] I closed two accounts when they nerfed ghost training, now I canceled this account (my last - ends in two days) now my CNR is useless, cya eve :D I've given all my stuff away too
Jazlina	Posted - 2008.11.12 19:56:00 - [38] I have noticed a significant drop in cruise missle effectiveness, even against battleships, it takes me noticably longer to kill battleships and then my raven LIMPS to the wreckage, its sad. My harbinger could kill the battelships faster than my raven could, that is a little backwards. Please UN nerf missles...
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Ayeless I closed two accounts when they nerfed ghost training, now I canceled this account (my last - ends in two days) now my CNR is useless, cya eve :D I've given all my stuff away too Still, at least you made a genuine effort to try and adapt before you gave up and threw away millions of SP and billions of ISK. Oh, wait.
Tsual Minmatar Iikhelahii khulemah'lal	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:00:00 - [40] Edited by: Tsual on 12/11/2008 20:07:38 Edited by: Tsual on 12/11/2008 20:02:18 Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Ultrakorne the problem is i need 12-14 light missile to kill a frigate... and L1 quests are full.. yes of course i can go back to an ibis and redo the tutorial, why not? are.. full? full of what? Trolls? ******************** Moral is only usefull so far as society demands it from one to accept his presence.

Jhered Stern Caldari x-- Ultima Ratio --x	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:09:00 - [41] Use frig's to kill frig's, crusiers and battle crusiers to kill crusiers and Battlecrusiers and Batleships to kill Battleships. Easy. The missils work fine. there is a diversity of missils in this game for a reason. I do not think CCP is going to apologise to you for taking away your "I WIN" button. Tray a tanked out frigate with rockets..that is fun. Oh and by the way, fight stuff within your skill and experiance range. Take a look at your certificates...if you have none then that should tell you something. Certificates help you see where you are lacking and could help clarify why you can't kill a frigate with heavy missils. Oh and by the way. Caldari Ships have always been slow. I have been flying them since 2003. They are fine. Jhered Out!
NyteTyger	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:10:00 - [42] So, the missiles designed to be launched from slow, heavy boats to hit other slow heavy boats can no longer WTF PWN small, agile fast ships. OH NOES! And finally, Battleships have a reason to carry the heavy drones they are supposed to. I found the addition of target painters, heavy drones, and drone navigation mods (that increase those heavies speeds) let me not only hit frigates, but destroy them. Of course, it was easier to web 'em and let the heavies eat them. Sure, you can't use the same old fit and expect the same old results (OMG who would have thought), but battleships still carry assloads of power, and deliver it well. Not to mention more realistically. Best option though in the frigate heavy missions, where you need to bridge the gap between smaller ships and and the large ships, using the boat DEIGNED FOR THAT EXACT SCENARIO is most effective. Once again, OMG NOES!!!! Go refit, and quit expecting the same fit with the same results after a significant modification. Just to reinforce - OMG, THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!
Ultrakorne	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Tsual Edited by: Tsual on 12/11/2008 20:07:38 Trolls? anyway Assuming he is not one then 12 to 14 are a bit much I also think, so either never looked at the topic npcs and according damage type, or not trained any specialisation skills or an error got into the table for npc ship signatures last but not least formular has a little sign error. Nothing that can't be solved. i assure you i was using the correct damage, i was using ligh missile on frigates (signature 45m). look guys i ll stop whine here (i am going out with my girlfriend i''ll whine with her) but i think there's some mess with the explosion velocity. lets assume damage is "as intended" why lighmissiles has 170m/s velocity and rockets 80 ?? so what the use for rockets? agains bs?
Chlamydia Blunderbuss	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:15:00 - [44] I'm Caldari, my Battleship is working absolutely fine thank you very much. Good job CCP, missiles are finally fixed
Darth Sith Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:16:00 - [45] I've been playing this game since the beginning ..seen all the changes, nerfs , boosts, et all. Never has it been more true then now: ADAPT, CHANGE or get the hell out of the way. Tested my Nighthawk out last night vs smaller ships in missions, yeah it took some tweeking but in the end, worked out a fit that seems to work well. I used to fly Nano... I hated Nano. I like the idea that someone now has to commit to a fight, not zip in, shoot and run like a little schoolgirl when the going gets tough. I love the idea now that the regional gates are huge. Means you can get by the choke point blobs now and get into real fights without having to take 30 of your mates with you every time. Only beef with this patch is the lack of new toys, but meh.. can't win them all . My thumbs are up on this one.
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:22:00 - [46] Edited by: AleRiperKilt on 12/11/2008 20:24:11 Balance it is. I hate to feed the troll but for months I have been ratting in 0.0 with my Domi, I got used to take a few minutes to kill battleship rats with my T1 sentries. A couple weeks ago some miner ask for help cleaning a 3 Dark Lord spawn, raven pilot and me go to belt. While I slowly chewed one with my drones, the raven guy obliterated the other two with 3 volleys to each Glad I didn't start cross-training raven right there --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
Rystan Wildstar Caldari Deep Core Mineral Extraction	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:22:00 - [47] I ran massive attack just now in my Golem. No difference at all. I use regular Wraths, no target painter or AB. Just a tank, 3 BCS 2, and 4 Arbelest Cruise Launchers. I don't know what my Golem's speed was pre-patch but it moves at 125m/s now. I aggro everything and release my T2 Hammers and don't even pay attention to them. They go from target to target easily killing them. BC still die in 2 Volleys and Frigs 50km out still die in 1 or 2 volleys. I also did Duo of Death and once again, no difference. My Hammers killed the Spider Drones in practically the same time as pre-patch. The only thing I noticed were BS coming straight at me as I sat there motionless took less damage. Not being a simpleton I hit my orbit button and started moving so they were not coming in a straight line at me. Problem solved. I'd probably do better if I bothered to use T2 missiles or Torps. As it is now, I blow thru missions fast enough that using more expensive ammo is irrelevant to me. Seems to me that if people really are having problems with missions using cruise missiles, it's a skills problem.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. United Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:26:00 - [48] Edited by: Opertone on 12/11/2008 20:26:17 i support the original poster, the caldari race has been seriously weakened, the missile based ships are twice weaker, non missile based ships with missile hardpoints are even worse now.
Mistress Evita Caldari Booze and Hookers	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Zeko Rena Nighthawk And it looks like a Ferox. What's not to like?
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 20:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Chlamydia Blunderbuss I'm Caldari, my Battleship is working absolutely fine thank you very much. Good job CCP, missiles are finally fixed "fixed"- read: neutered. Not sure what you're playing, or how much you sacrificed your survivability to make it work fine. Unless of course your version of fine is different than everyone elses, because I sure as hell can't get my battleship to work fine.

Innui	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:01:00 - [51] I wouldn't say unplayable, just the balance is out of whack, not purely from a missle DPS point of view alone. I tested my drake, sans BCS, with kinetic heavy missiles against a single guristas BS ship type, 119 per missile on shields, then warped off, got in the raven (CN BCS) and returned to try with wrath cruise missiles. Think it was about 140-144 per hit, with one less launcher too. Drones I'm not really noticing any real difference with, they take elite frigs down a fraction slower than usual, regular frigs seem to blow up as fast as always. My main concern is tweaking caldari ships to include the use of a painter/web, shield tanking is pretty tight, there's little room for anything else once you're cap stable, although a CNR with a gisti type x-large shield booster would be perfect since it found drop a cap recharger II and fit a target painter :p I feel happy enough about the change with missiles and smaller/faster targets but a tad annoyed that an hour long mission is probably going to take me an hour and a half and without a break/change I'm going to claw my eyes out especially when I take into account that apart from being limited to light drones, a drake is actually very close in terms of DPS with a bog standard raven and can fit a target painter as well! <Disclaimer: I am a still a bit of a noob after 4 months of playing but at least I went and tried out the difference myself :p>
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:04:00 - [52] I just used a scorpion geddon combo in a mission last night. It was BETTER then before overall. Then again im using full T2 gear with high sp so meh.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:09:00 - [53] Well see, if missiles have suddenly become so bad, I understand that caldari can use hybrid weapons-based ships as well. Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints!
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:09:00 - [54] Abrupt or Pie
Minny Sky	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:18:00 - [55] lul! but hey you wanted nano nerf carebear! blbhaha loololol
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Caldari is no longer useful... No PVP no Missions... One more reason to quit from eve online.... Blatant exaggeration and lies. Feel free to quit though. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
rofflesausage	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Gorefacer Originally by: Framerunner Since the new patch the Caldari is a ****ing crashed race... My raven Speed is now only 100 m/s, Missile damage is gone down too.... Drones are shooting like kids... Blatant exaggeration and lies. To be fair to the guy, it's not lies. Exaggeration? not really either - standard Raven speed now hovers around 100m/s depending on skill. Drones and missiles are considerably nerfed. ....
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:16:00 - [58] STFU with the anti-whining bull****... they really hit the caldari hard with this nerf.. so everyone says use a target painter... a mid slot.. caldari shield tank remember?
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:20:00 - [59] Edited by: Piper Halliwell on 12/11/2008 22:24:05 One day you carebears will realize that you whining has repercussions. You whined about the pirates in low sec and what happened, now you get blobbed so they can tank the guns and still kill you. You whined about warping to 15 and getting ganked, now they wait for you to jump to the high sec side and gank you with more numbers. YOU cause this, YOU are responsible. Now take your medicine and STFU. Learn how to play the game. No more can you sleep through your missions with minimal skills trained. I do have a mission running alt, but I have the skills to fly the ships I am in and have noticed little to no change. Finally CCP has made it to where you have to (sit down for this one) HAVE SKILLS TO FLY SHIPS. Have fun with your nano nerf....idiots! Originally by: Demonic Sentiment STFU with the anti-whining bull****... they really hit the caldari hard with this nerf.. so everyone says use a target painter... a mid slot.. caldari shield tank remember? Tried flying Minmatar who base over half their ships on surviving on speed since nothing else is a viable option? Didn't thinks so! You wanna talk about hard hit talk to a Matari pilot. Caldari Theme Song -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:21:00 - [60] It is silly when a BC performs better then a BS. So the BS has no role left anymore :/



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