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Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:12:00 - [1] It seems there is a new bug that renders certain ships (I think those with stacked guns) punctually unable to dock by using the "dock" command from a long distance like, for example, another planet. When I want to stop playing I usually click "dock" on my station and just relax, minimize and stop paying attention, because theoretically, once you initiate that warp there's no human (or jovian) way to stop you being safely docked at the end of it (apart from obvious station standing reasons, but that was not the case) and this is basic game mechanics. Soo I was just zipping around Amamake and when I felt like leaving, I did the usual "dock", watched warp initiation and minimized. Imagine my face when I maximized five minutes later to find myself podded, and my recent +4 implants (probably 20% of my money spent in that) gone. What's my chance of getting a reimbursement? I've already petitioned, altough I'm not sure if the log will be able to help me. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Rhys Onasi	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:13:00 - [2] Edited by: Rhys Onasi on 13/11/2008 21:14:56 It's not a QR bug. I've had that issue for months. Never assume you are going to dock at the end of a warp... EDIT: Not that I am saying this isn't a bug, it's just not from QR. And lowsec... AFK... They are not a good couple.
Dark 'Shadow Talocan Technologies	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:14:00 - [3] Just fyi sometimes the docking thing gets ****ed up even when you don't have grouped weapons. In my hulk when I hit dock maybe once out of 10 times it will just sit there at 0m from the station.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:15:00 - [4] highly unlikely why? cause its COMMON KNOWLEDGE that not all stations you " dock" to warp you right into docking initiation. Therefore, you hit " dock", minimized the game, and missed the fact that enemys webbed/ scrammed killed you before you could dock, or probobly, once they noticed you were afk, the bumped you a bit as well Please, jump into traffic
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:17:00 - [5] I see, so it's not new. Anyway, old or new, it's still a bug. Any chance I can get this reimbursed? I bought these implants because I know I never lose my pod in PVP. And then I lose it to a bug. Heh. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Dark 'Shadow Talocan Technologies	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Captain Falcord I see, so it's not new. Anyway, old or new, it's still a bug. Any chance I can get this reimbursed? I bought these implants because I know I never lose my pod in PVP. And then I lose it to a bug. Heh. I highly doubt it, no hurt in trying a petition though.
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:19:00 - [7] No chance in getting reimbursement. Reason: You went afk without ensuring that you were in a safe location. Now if you were docked and sitting in your hangar and walked away then maybe there would be a chance but it was your fault that you were killed and podded. Chaulk it up as experience that not everything goes as planned. BTW, you can stop the docking sequence if you use CTRL+Spacebar during warp and you won't dock when you arrive. ------------------------------------
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:19:00 - [8] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 13/11/2008 21:20:38 Originally by: Gonada why? cause its COMMON KNOWLEDGE that not all stations you " dock" to warp you right into docking initiation. Originally by: NightF0x Reason: You went afk without ensuring that you were in a safe location. Common knowledge does not equal intended game mechanics. First, I had no access to that "common knowledge" so far. Second, the "dock" function, as described by the manuals and the game itself, it's supposed to dock you, as long as it's possible. A game function failing to do it's job is a bug and not my fault. Therefore I feel in my right to ask for reimbursement (and to pray for it ^^) ---<---@ JackFalcord
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:23:00 - [9] Edited by: Andrue on 13/11/2008 21:24:36 Originally by: Captain Falcord When I want to stop playing I usually click "dock" on my station and just relax, minimize and stop paying attention, because theoretically, once you initiate that warp there's no human (or jovian) way to stop you being safely docked at the end of it (apart from obvious station standing reasons, but that was not the case) and this is basic game mechanics. Been that way since WTZ was introduced over a year ago. Some stations from some directions just don't insta dock and sometimes they don't ever dock unless you re-issue the command. Might be petitionable but I don't know. Personally I'd be inclined to blame the pilot for being careless and making unwarranted assumptions..but then I'm a git -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Captain Falcord Edited by: Captain Falcord on 13/11/2008 21:20:38 Originally by: Gonada why? cause its COMMON KNOWLEDGE that not all stations you " dock" to warp you right into docking initiation. Originally by: NightF0x Reason: You went afk without ensuring that you were in a safe location. Common knowledge does not equal intended game mechanics. First, I had no access to that "common knowledge" so far. Second, the "dock" function, as described by the manuals and the game itself, it's supposed to dock you, as long as it's possible. A game function failing to do it's job is a bug and not my fault. Therefore I feel in my right to ask for reimbursement (and to pray for it ^^) You know what happens with you assume? You make an arse out of you and me. I know cheesey but I pray that you don't get reimbursed because of your carelessness and inability to take responsibility for your own actions. ------------------------------------
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 13/11/2008 21:24:36 Originally by: Captain Falcord When I want to stop playing I usually click "dock" on my station and just relax, minimize and stop paying attention, because theoretically, once you initiate that warp there's no human (or jovian) way to stop you being safely docked at the end of it (apart from obvious station standing reasons, but that was not the case) and this is basic game mechanics. Been that way since WTZ was introduced over a year ago. Some stations from some directions just don't insta dock and sometimes they don't ever dock unless you re-issue the command. Might be petitionable but I don't know. Personally I'd be inclined to blame the pilot for being careless and making unwarranted assumptions..but then I'm a git Okay, I made an assumption, and I made it based on two factors. 1- I assumed a game function works as it is SUPPOSED to. 2- I never had that problem before. Reallly. Now just look at it this way: Imagine there was a bug you never heard about that makes your ship explode when looking at the sun. You randomly look at the sun and explode. Then everybody tells you it's your fault, because it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. So what? It's unintended, you didn't know it, its NOT your fault. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Yoinx Caldari Gemini Sun	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Yoinx on 13/11/2008 21:28:05 * - I wish I had something witty to put in a signature. -
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:30:00 - [13] No excuses. Your actions were the equvalent of "I went AFK and came back dead." It's YOUR responsibility to make sure you are SAFE before walking away. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Kiviar Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Captain Falcord 1- I assumed a game function works as it is SUPPOSED to. You will be hard pressed to find somewhere where it states that the dock command is supposed to grant you a 100% safe space to station transition. --- Certified elite hull tanker.
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques No excuses. Your actions were the equvalent of "I went AFK and came back dead." It's YOUR responsibility to make sure you are SAFE before walking away. Okay. Now explain to me. Is there any difference between my problem and "I was docked and the character undocked itself and self-destructed"?. No, there isn't. In both cases, the character was in a situation described as SAFE. And don't be so childish to tell me I was not safe due to game mechanics. I was unsafe due to a BUG in game mechanics, because my situation was theoretically safe (when the dock functions works as intended, you can't be stopped). My situation was safe and I spent enough time checking it: Just enough time to see myself catch that warp. Any more time spent is a waste of time, except, obviously, the cases in which a BUG makes unsafe a situation that should be safe. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:33:00 - [16] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 13/11/2008 21:33:33 Originally by: Kiviar Originally by: Captain Falcord 1- I assumed a game function works as it is SUPPOSED to. You will be hard pressed to find somewhere where it states that the dock command is supposed to grant you a 100% safe space to station transition. You will be more hard pressed to find somewhere where it states it DOESN'T grant me that 100% safety, apart from reverting to the "common knowledge", which is not that common (Otherwise I would have heard it). ---<---@ JackFalcord
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Captain Falcord Now just look at it this way: Imagine there was a bug you never heard about that makes your ship explode when looking at the sun. You randomly look at the sun and explode. Then everybody tells you it's your fault, because it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. So what? It's unintended, you didn't know it, its NOT your fault. I never said that it was common knowledge. I said that you were careless in not ensuring that you were docked before you walked away from your computer. The whole sun scenario is clearly a bug in the game. You not ensuring that you were docked is not a bug. ------------------------------------
KarGard Agent-Orange	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Captain Falcord No, there isn't. In both cases, the character was in a situation described as SAFE. You see, there is your problem. You assumed you were safe at any point while playing eve. This assumption is incorrect.
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:34:00 - [19] Originally by: NightF0x You not ensuring that you were docked is not a bug. I clicked the order "dock" and my ship didn't dock. It is. Period. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:35:00 - [20] Originally by: KarGard Originally by: Captain Falcord No, there isn't. In both cases, the character was in a situation described as SAFE. You see, there is your problem. You assumed you were safe at any point while playing eve. This assumption is incorrect. It's correct as long as bugs are not involved. Bugs were involved, therefore I can complain. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Captain Falcord When I want to stop playing I usually click "dock" on my station and just relax, minimize and stop paying attention If only you had mentioned this before this happened, the raucous laughter would have served as a warning. Originally by: Captain Falcord Imagine my face when I maximized five minutes later to find myself podded, and my recent +4 implants (probably 20% of my money spent in that) gone. I have a poor imagination, can we get an artist's impression or something? This is the funniest thing I've read in a while. Still, I wish you a quick recovery from this painful lesson. No chance of reimbursement BTW, parking outside a station and going AFK is not petitionable, even if it was accidental. - DesuSigs
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Captain Falcord Edited by: Captain Falcord on 13/11/2008 21:33:33 Originally by: Kiviar Originally by: Captain Falcord 1- I assumed a game function works as it is SUPPOSED to. You will be hard pressed to find somewhere where it states that the dock command is supposed to grant you a 100% safe space to station transition. You will be more hard pressed to find somewhere where it states it DOESN'T grant me that 100% safety, apart from reverting to the "common knowledge", which is not that common (Otherwise I would have heard it). Quit grasping at straws here. You clearly didn't ensure that you were safely docked. It's your fault that you died...especially when you were in low-sec ------------------------------------
Jhango Fett Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:38:00 - [23] You went AFk in lowsec and you want reimbursement ... ? See where your logic is flawed?
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:43:00 - [24] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 13/11/2008 21:43:45 Originally by: Jhango Fett You went AFk in lowsec and you want reimbursement ... ? See where your logic is flawed? I didn't go afk in lowsec. I went afk under an specific game situation that is supposed to guarantee safety, as much as being docked itself is. However, that game situation didn't work. If you got shot MID-WARP, or even worse, inside a station, and came here to complain, would it be logical for me to say "you can't complain, you were in low sec"? No. Leaving security apart, you were in a safe situation. See where your logic is flawed? ---<---@ JackFalcord
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 13/11/2008 21:46:51 Originally by: Captain Falcord I didn't go afk in lowsec. Yes, yes you did. Originally by: Captain Falcord I went afk under an specific game situation that is supposed to guarantee safety, as much as being docked itself is. However, that game situation didn't work. Oh STFU. You're actually managing to be annoying rather than amusing now. Nobody told you that trying to dock guarantees anything. Point out where it is written. - DesuSigs
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:48:00 - [26] QR??? You mean like Revelations or even further. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens
Tombozo Caldari Bagman's Bookkeeping Services LLC	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Captain Falcord Originally by: NightF0x You not ensuring that you were docked is not a bug. I clicked the order "dock" and my ship didn't dock. It is. Period. A lesson in EVE game mechanics, which I am sure you have experience with: You know how when you warp to something, you don't always land in exactly the same spot? You know how when you gang warp someone with a friend, you don't land in exactly the same spot? There is a 2.5km sphere centered on the 'actual' warp destination. When you warp, you can land anywhere in this sphere. This is an intended game mechanic. Sometimes, when you warp to a station, even though you warp to 'zero', you will land farther away from the docking radius because of this randomized warping system, and you will have to approach your target in order to dock. This is an intended game mechanic. It is entirely possible to kill someone after they come out of warp, but before they close the distance required to dock. This is an intended game mechanic. You cannot assume that you are safe, if you are anywhere in space. You cannot conclusively prove that there is a bug at work here, and you went AFK when you were not in a safe situation. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:51:00 - [28] been like that forever, 50% of the time I have to click dock 2 times to get the "docking request accepted" uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:51:00 - [29] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 13/11/2008 21:53:25 Quote: Originally by: Captain Falcord I didn't go afk in lowsec. Yes, yes you did. Originally by: Captain Falcord I went afk under an specific game situation that is supposed to guarantee safety, as much as being docked itself is. However, that game situation didn't work. Oh STFU. You're actually managing to be annoying rather than amusing now. Nobody told you that trying to dock guarantees anything. Point out where it is written. Point out where it is written that being mid-warp with a dock command is NOT safe. That's basic algebra. You can't prove me wrong. I, however, can prove that a game mechanic has failed, and, because of that, I got killed. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.13 21:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Tombozo A lesson in EVE game mechanics, which I am sure you have experience with: You know how when you warp to something, you don't always land in exactly the same spot? You know how when you gang warp someone with a friend, you don't land in exactly the same spot? There is a 2.5km sphere centered on the 'actual' warp destination. When you warp, you can land anywhere in this sphere. This is an intended game mechanic. Sometimes, when you warp to a station, even though you warp to 'zero', you will land farther away from the docking radius because of this randomized warping system, and you will have to approach your target in order to dock. This is an intended game mechanic. It is entirely possible to kill someone after they come out of warp, but before they close the distance required to dock. This is an intended game mechanic. You cannot assume that you are safe, if you are anywhere in space. You cannot conclusively prove that there is a bug at work here, and you went AFK when you were not in a safe situation. Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good. The first intelligent response in the whole post. As I've repeatedly said before, I'll STFU and leave if you manage to prove me wrong. Give me a link to an official source of that info, and I have no arguments remaining. Just yelling at me "It's your fault lol in eve you're never safe" is not going anywhere, so please everyone else stop it. ---<---@ JackFalcord

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