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Ivar Strahm
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Posted - 2008.12.16 22:52:00 -
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Given that it has been about two weeks since emf/Banker Lucy have made any attempt at public communication in this or his events thread, yet he has been active both in game and in other areas of the forums since then, is there any reason not to write off this casino/offering as a scam? Have any of the other involved parties had success in reaching him or sorting any of this mess out?
Mind you, I did not invest in this venture, but I am keeping records on the various IPOs and players here for the purposes of future investment.
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GenXS
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Posted - 2008.12.22 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: GenXS on 22/12/2008 11:44:27
Hilarious.. i check into google for some statistics on slotmachines and find this wacky story :)
Well not to worry. Eve Games is launching fun events where we can. We're new but willing and trustworthy. Our plan to start a casino is 1 day old so i guess i should have read up first hehe.
Our idea is to start the casino small with own capital. We'll close down when we're broke though but hope we won't get that far based up on the limits we'll play.
Have fun with our nutty beta version (serious.. its nutty ;)
casino.eve-games.org
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GenXS
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Posted - 2008.12.27 04:10:00 -
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Our little casino is now in demo mode. 10M free isk to play with during the demo. Not many games yet but we're working on that. Feedback much appreciated as we're hoping to become a fun filled casino.
http://casino.eve-games.org
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ingenting
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.27 05:12:00 -
[184]
 Originally by: GenXS
said stuff
you dont belong in here. go 
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Owndaworld
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:16:00 -
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Any news from Banker Lucy, for the first month interest ? |
G'kek
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:26:00 -
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I suggest reading the thread. Looks like Banker did a runner after someone hit the jackpot.
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Owndaworld
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:28:00 -
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SCAMMED ! F*** :(
Thx for the information.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.01.01 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Owndaworld
Any news from Banker Lucy, for the first month interest ?
Up until you asked this question, I wasn't 100% sure that he scammed. I figured that he could be soldiering on while not giving a hoot about damage control. Since he's missed his dividend deadline by a couple days now, I'm finally sure.
Scam.
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Mitabear
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Posted - 2009.01.02 03:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mitabear on 02/01/2009 03:37:50
Just an FYI, ThatCPP, EMF and another alt lost 3 dreads out of 4 to Solstice Systems Development Concourse shortly after this bond request was posted.
I have toons in SSDC that were involved in the destroying of those dreads.
All three dreads were replaced and back in action in the Amamake area within a week.
Check the SSDC killboard for confimation.
Scam comes to mind here.
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Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.01.02 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mitabear
Just an FYI, ThatCPP, EMF and another alt lost 3 dreads out of 4 to Solstice Systems Development Concourse
confirmed
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Admrial Cane
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:27:00 -
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well is an eve casino cheating ? |
ShadowandLight
Amarr
Hammer Of Light
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.01.16 01:40:00 -
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this seemed like a good idea, i might steal it
except the fact that its seemingly a scam??
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G'kek
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Posted - 2009.01.16 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowandLight
this seemed like a good idea, i might steal it
except the fact that its seemingly a scam??
I do believe that if you use the perceptive ability that your eyes endow you with that you can actually find out information using your optical sensors rather than relying on others. |
Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2009.01.16 14:13:00 -
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An EVE casino is still a very viable and lucritive idea. I know there's one other corp currently trying to get one set up (but I think it's more betting on outside events than actual gambling games).
There's a couple of things you need to be successful (I won't get into the infrastructure needs):
1.) A large enough bankroll to cover payments should you lose money at first so that you dno't have to close shop.
2.) Games that provide a house advantage (which should be all games depending on how you set it up, which brings me to point 3).
3.) The law of large numbers - the more times you make someone play, the better chance you have to win (again, depending on the game and how it's set up). To do this, you need to impose max bet limits. The reason this failed is because someone scored a jackpot and there wasn't enough money to cover the payment without damaging the casio's ability to operate.
So lets say you set up a blackjack game. To get a house advantage and to actually make money over the long term, you'd need to do a few things (I'm not a gambling expert, but here's how I see how the house wins):
1.) Impose a max bet of say 5mil so that at most, the house won't lose more than 5 mil each hand.
2.) Use multiple decks to prevent card counting (especially since you can write a script to do it for you).
So the gambler may win a few at first and build up some good winnings. However, the more times they play, the better chances the house has at winning in the long run. Understanding the psychology of gamblers should be considered as well. True, some gamblers will make some money then run. However, most gamblers will make some money then get greedy and go for more. THen they get in a hole and figure they want to at least win their money back. They then get into a bigger hole as they continue to play.
A casino operation isn't simple by far. There's some other things you need to consider as well. That is, how are you going to attract and keep players? If a majority of your gamblers lose money, what's to encourage them to return and try it again? In vegas they do comps (they also have shiny lights and attractions that help to keep bringing people back). Anyway, if you can set up a good infrastructure and do some simulation tests on it (to actually see if you'd make money) and can prove it profitable, I'm sure you wont' have a problem getting funding. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: cosmoray on 16/01/2009 15:23:51
Still best idea for a casino, is a wager matching service like betfair.
Software matches to gamblers you want to bet on an event. The site takes a small escrow handling fee (5%).
e.g.
1. I set up account with service deposit 1B
2. I set up a bet that Eagles win playoff vs cardinals this weekend for 100M.
3. Gambler 2 with account wants to bet 100M on Cardinals.
4. Software matches us, and takes escrow cut.
5. 195M ISk paid to winners account.
Could also be done with partial bets.
1. I wager 500M on Eagles
2. gambler 2 wages 100M on cardinals
3. Gambler 3 wages 250M on cardinals
4. gambler 4 wages 150M on cardinals
5. Software matches me to the 3 gamblers
Casino can't lose as its an escrow service.
IF SOMEONE CAN CODE THIS CONTACT ME, AS I WOULD BANKROLL THIS IDEA.CODER WOULD GET 50% OF BUSINESS |
MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.16 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Still best idea for a casino, is a wager matching service like betfair.
Software matches to gamblers you want to bet on an event. The site takes a small escrow handling fee (5%).
cosmoray, I was under the impression that CCP hf had already stated that in-game wagering on out-of-game events was not permitted. If so, I think that would put a rather significant risk on such a business venture.
MDD |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: cosmoray
Still best idea for a casino, is a wager matching service like betfair.
Software matches to gamblers you want to bet on an event. The site takes a small escrow handling fee (5%).
cosmoray, I was under the impression that CCP hf had already stated that in-game wagering on out-of-game events was not permitted. If so, I think that would put a rather significant risk on such a business venture.
MDD
No you can use ISK for this. many casinos and other games exist.
It would not be done with IGB, but set up as an external site. You would give ISK and get credits on the site. For cash out ISK would be paid back in game.
Not against EULA I think?
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Shavana
Made in Canada
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:35:00 -
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Real money pays for website which in turn earns you isk.
Seems like a way to buy ISK without buying it directly from ISK farmers... 
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Astarte Nosferatu
Minmatar
Abrivianius Manufacturing Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
No you can use ISK for this. many casinos and other games exist.
It would not be done with IGB, but set up as an external site. You would give ISK and get credits on the site. For cash out ISK would be paid back in game.
Not against EULA I think?
He's talking about waging with isk, ingame, on out of game events. Like setting up an IGB site where you can bet on when the president of the US will get assassinated, or who will win whatever sports match.
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MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.16 19:23:00 -
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Right. I think CCP hf draws a line between wagering in games of chance (roulette, lotteries) or skill (poker), versus wagering on events like those listed above (which are neither chance nor skill, but that's neither here nor there). I'm trying to find evidence to support my admittedly vague recollection.
MDD |
Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2009.01.16 20:30:00 -
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Cosmo,
What should someone do if there's no other betters for the other team? I guess they win nothing then? Also, if one team has 100m in bets on it, and the other has 50m in bets, if the person with 50m in bets wins, do they get the 100m (minus escrow of course)?
I know how to code it.... in excel... just not in PHP or ASP. I should really learn how to code in that. |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.01.16 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Jax
Cosmo,
What should someone do if there's no other betters for the other team? I guess they win nothing then? Also, if one team has 100m in bets on it, and the other has 50m in bets, if the person with 50m in bets wins, do they get the 100m (minus escrow of course)?
I know how to code it.... in excel... just not in PHP or ASP. I should really learn how to code in that.
If no one accepts a bet, then money is returned or remains in account.
If gambler 1 bets 100M, and gambler 2 puts 50M against it the 2x50M bets will match.
Gambler 1 will still have 50M of bets waiting to be accepted.
Theoretically, Gambler A could put 5B ISk on Eagles winning this weekend.
Then 30 gamblers could put bets against the 5B but can't go over.
The idea is to match total amount of bets on one side vs other side.
If it is too difficult to code, then a gambler could just place a bet and someone else could accept it. |
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