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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Well, they live under the same protective umbrella as the other carebears.
Do tell. Of what umbrella do you speak?
It might well be the tears umbrella
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.27 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/02/2009 18:50:06
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Well, they live under the same protective umbrella as the other carebears.
Why the umbrella of safety that being a well-known, hated, wardeccable player alliance gives, of course. He's, of course, right. All the hardcore non-carebears do tough, risky things like blobbing Iteron Vs and noobfit caracels at lowsec gates.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:20:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Do tell. Of what umbrella do you speak?
Umbrella
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Why the umbrella of safety that being a well-known, hated, wardeccable player alliance gives, of course. He's, of course, right. All the hardcore non-carebears do tough, risky things like blobbing Iteron Vs and noobfit caracels at lowsec gates.
Confirming I'm a terrible Carebear
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:57:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Well, they live under the same protective umbrella as the other carebears.
Do tell. Of what umbrella do you speak?
It might well be the tears umbrella
Visit Hi-sec much?
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.02.28 12:25:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/02/2009 18:50:06
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Well, they live under the same protective umbrella as the other carebears.
Why the umbrella of safety that being a well-known, hated, wardeccable player alliance gives, of course. He's, of course, right.
That's the umbrella I'm talking bout yeah, Concord protection save for wardecs, on which you get a 24 hr notice, living on the edge guys, salvaging from pve fitted players with ships they prolly can't get a lock on b4 you guys have the time to warp out like 10 times.
Don't get me wrong, I like the ninja proffesion, even thought of getting into it myself, but you're high-sec dwellers in general living under the protection of hi-sec rules (and abusing them, kudos for that). Just because you do something "mean" doesn't make you non-carebear. If a trader/manufacturer decides to drive a market into the ground that can be considered as 'mean' too, doesn't make him any less of a carebear though.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.28 12:48:00 -
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post with your main
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:01:00 -
[128]
Originally by: RedSplat
post with your main
No, I like living under the protective umbrella of an alt, just like ninjas like living under the protective umbrella that is high sec. "But we're no carebears!1! Nuhuh!!!"
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:12:00 -
[129]
/vote will be cast 
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 14:37:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Misanth on 28/02/2009 14:37:40
Originally by: sir gankalot
Originally by: RedSplat
post with your main
No, I like living under the protective umbrella of an alt, just like ninjas like living under the protective umbrella that is high sec. "But we're no carebears!1! Nuhuh!!!"
You're my new favourite on C&P. I been telling Tchell a few times here already that he's a carebear, just like the carebears he grief, but he keeps ignoring me.  WHERE'S THE LOVE!
But seriously, a can flipping fresh player is more of a pirate than a salvage ninja. No offense here either, about the profession. Ninja* all you want, it's more a mental griefing than a ship grief. But it's carebearing. Supplying industrialists with materials, just like carebears. Living under protection of CONCORD, just like carebears.
Pretty cool idea, griefing playstyle, but still a carebear. 
Edit; nasty little typo slipped in. 
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.28 15:23:00 -
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I can attest that there is a significant membership of SN more interested in killing Missionrunners than they are salvaging 
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Ninjitsuki
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.28 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ninjitsuki on 28/02/2009 15:33:14
Originally by: RedSplat
I can attest that there is a significant membership of SN more interested in killing Missionrunners than they are salvaging
Ninjas aren't killers! 
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Mendolence
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Posted - 2009.02.28 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mendolence on 28/02/2009 16:41:33
Carebears are carebears are carebears. They can't be "won over", or forced to participate in PvP. It simply won't happen.
If you expose them to piracy, or any "hostile" player encounter, they're going to congregate in areas of space where it's still safe. If there are no safe areas, they'll leave the game. It would be great initially, but I don't know how long it would last.
It should be self-evident, just look at low-sec. The carebears can go there whenever they want.... but they don't. That's precisely why they're carebears. Foisting PvP on them isn't going to turn them into PvPers; it will make them leave the game.
If you want them to PvP, CCP has to offer inducements to get them into low-sec / zero-sec.
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:03:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Mendolence
Edited by: Mendolence on 28/02/2009 16:41:33
Carebears are carebears are carebears. They can't be "won over", or forced to participate in PvP. It simply won't happen.
If you expose them to piracy, or any "hostile" player encounter, they're going to congregate in areas of space where it's still safe. If there are no safe areas, they'll leave the game. It would be great initially, but I don't know how long it would last.
It should be self-evident, just look at low-sec. The carebears can go there whenever they want.... but they don't. That's precisely why they're carebears. Foisting PvP on them isn't going to turn them into PvPers; it will make them leave the game.
If you want them to PvP, CCP has to offer inducements to get them into low-sec / zero-sec.
To me carebears in Eve are much like people who refuse to actually shoot the enemy in FPS games. Sure, they have the right to play that way, but it's against the spirit of the game, and they can expect to rarely win and have their team generally dislike them.
As such I would be quite happy if all the highsec carebears quit and were replaced with more pvp-oriented players.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:08:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Imertu Solientai
To me carebears in Eve are much like people who refuse to actually shoot the enemy in FPS games. Sure, they have the right to play that way, but it's against the spirit of the game, and they can expect to rarely win and have their team generally dislike them.
As such I would be quite happy if all the highsec carebears quit and were replaced with more pvp-oriented players.
 ..that makes zero sense whatsoever, got to be a troll. You sound so sincere, /applauding your effort if you are indeed trolling, because I just swallowed the bait and choked on it -
a) Noone plays FPS games without actually shooting people. You can camp, you can derail, you can try snipe and outmanouver, etc, but if you never shoot anyone you lose by default. Havn't seen this happen, like, ever?
b) If all highsec carebears quit, that means we'd have to rely on low- and nullsec carebears to supply us with all ships, modules, etc. It'd be a pain in the ass, prices would go up by craploads, and eventually we'd either have to quit or start to mine. And honestly, the idea of mining to PvP makes me ill. I'd rather have a carebear make isk on me (and then I'll shoot him down).
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:11:00 -
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That's the umbrella I'm talking bout yeah, Concord protection save for wardecs, on which you get a 24 hr notice, living on the edge guys, salvaging from pve fitted players with ships they prolly can't get a lock on b4 you guys have the time to warp out like 10 times.
Don't get me wrong, I like the ninja proffesion, even thought of getting into it myself, but you're high-sec dwellers in general living under the protection of hi-sec rules (and abusing them, kudos for that). Just because you do something "mean" doesn't make you non-carebear. If a trader/manufacturer decides to drive a market into the ground that can be considered as 'mean' too, doesn't make him any less of a carebear though.
I like to kill stuff. Short of can flipping mechanics (which I did once upon a time in a period between 0.0 wars and lowsec piracy) I'm completely oblivious of the mechanics involved in highsec, short of the wardec principle. Having someone who routinely tries to find holes in highsec mechanics would by rights be an excellent candidate for the CSM, as their mindset in and of itself is suited to such a position.
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Originally by: The Cuckoo
Good luck in defending idiotic and greedy noobs, as far as I'm concerned, you are their champion.
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Harrigan VonStudly
Amarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:27:00 -
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I for one, despite my obvious biased ties, would rather see someone who seems to be willing to work with and for the citizens from whom she asks for support from. I read the forums as you all do. I see the posts. I want someone who I believe is working for me(us) and not themselves. I see that in Tchell Dahhn.
Cast ye vote for the Empress and choose representation by, for, and of the people. That is all...
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly
I for one, despite my obvious biased ties, would rather see someone who seems to be willing to work with and for the citizens from whom she asks for support from. I read the forums as you all do. I see the posts. I want someone who I believe is working for me(us) and not themselves. I see that in Tchell Dahhn.
Cast ye vote for the Empress and choose representation by, for, and of the people. That is all...
You've obviously missed that part whereby a defining characteristic of Seeing and Peeing is to break down the walls that hold us inside, in much the same way as all the convicts hoping to march out of New York in Escape from New York
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.28 21:32:00 -
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I want somebody who will make a serious effort to use the CSM tool (flawed though it surely is) to make the game improvements desired by the people who voted for him. Not somebody who seems to view the process as some sort of nihilistic joke.
I would vote for Anklesplitter or pick a name off the dartboard before I'd vote for Captain Pompous. Why vote for somebody who can't even be arsed to say what he's after?
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N'tek alar
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Posted - 2009.02.28 21:50:00 -
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.28 22:10:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Marlenus
I want somebody who will make a serious effort to use the CSM tool (flawed though it surely is) to make the game improvements desired by the people who voted for him. Not somebody who seems to view the process as some sort of nihilistic joke.
I would vote for Anklesplitter or pick a name off the dartboard before I'd vote for Captain Pompous. Why vote for somebody who can't even be arsed to say what he's after?
I have said on several occasions, but perhaps you missed it? The essence of "Seeing and Peeing Things Up" is nebulous but it is there - to exact change from the inside out.
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.28 23:15:00 -
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Having the CSM "wrecked from within" is not much of a goal. I'd rather have a candidate who actually wants to improve the game, not wreck one of the tools that's supposed to advance that goal.
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TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.28 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Faekurias
Originally by: 5yndr0m3
you have my vote.
AND MY AXE
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:53:00 -
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Confirming I will vote for a ninja if TS wholeheartedly acknowledges the fact that ninja salvaging is a carebear profession!
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.03 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
I have said on several occasions, but perhaps you missed it? The essence of "Seeing and Peeing Things Up" is nebulous but it is there - to exact change from the inside out.
I have asked on several occasions - please keep your rabble in your thread. You don't see me proposing my values in there. Now, if you'd like to have a 'Debate' thread, as some have requested, feel free to create one.
Originally by: sir gankalot
Confirming I will vote for a ninja if TS wholeheartedly acknowledges the fact that ninja salvaging is a carebear profession!
Who's this "TS" of which you speak?
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