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Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:09:00 - [181] Uhh, hell no. Some of the largest institutions on built on a single intangible asset called trust. Part of this trust goes with the Name of your toon. This trust factor extends to every facet of the game, and permeates everything we do. From contract sales, to market orders, want to sell forums, secondary markets, Ebank, Alliances, Research services, Corp creation services, etc... You allow changing of names, and you've pretty much instantly torn down everything that makes EVE, EVE.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:19:00 - [182] Originally by: evilphoenix The majority of the against were worried about being scammed by the same person (IRL) but they just renamed the character using my proposal. The easy counter is, I scam you for 2b. Get on the forums, buy a new character for 1b with an alt. No record of my 'scamming' character ever buying a new character, and I scam you again. Oh, and I can sell my 'scamming' character and give someone else the headache of your 'grief'. All perfectly fine with CCP. Then some whom are against it strongly believe that a character name means something. Clearly, I do too since I want to pick something else. So if a character name is so important, then why not let me change my character name? Incorrect. Let me tell you a story which just recently happend within the secondary market of EVE. We had a person using a toon called Xabier create an investment opportunity involving capital ships. The plan was vetted, it seemed sound and the amount initially asked for was well within reason for a capital startup program. The investment went through as planned. Fast forward two months later. Dividends have been paid out on a regular basis and the person wants to expand. The expansion is met with limited resistance and goes through without much hassles. Fast forward another month. Another dividend has been issued. This time however another person EVN who has a small relation to Xabier wishes to launch a seperate investment opportunity. Long story short, the EVN rode on the coat tail success of Xabier to a multi billion scam, which in turn Xabier ended up walking away with close to 70b because of the trust he had built up. Now, fast foward 2 weeks after the **** hits the fan. Those of us who care about the secondary market notice that EVN is attempting to offload alts on the character bazar. We also notice that fake transactions of toons have been made to obfuscate toons between accounts. All this is made public, and any reasonable person can likely just search for "Xabier" on eve search and pretty much bring up the entire history. Now and forever, the names involved in the scams above will forever be tainted. Character sales involving them won't fetch as much, they'll always be a black marked. Leave the option to changes names, even with a history about them, and you take that away and open the door for more situations of above. Trust is the biggest and priciest commodity in the game. Let's not devalue it anymore than we have to.
AngeBlade	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:58:00 - [183] This is a good idea. I think some of of the comments against this are stupid. You take this game too serious. Saying you wont make as much to sell a toon or even that more people are going to get ripped off is stupid. I think that if you can get an AKA when you search a name, then this should just be added. Heck its another thing CCP can charge us for. Win win
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.24 17:14:00 - [184] Originally by: AngeBlade This is a good idea. I think some of of the comments against this are stupid. You take this game too serious. Saying you wont make as much to sell a toon or even that more people are going to get ripped off is stupid. I think that if you can get an AKA when you search a name, then this should just be added. Heck its another thing CCP can charge us for. Win win Case in point We now know you're associated with the alliance Efferus Vehemens Inasnum Latrocinium The names of those in that alliance are on the line Their reputation is tied to your reputation Now imagine if this Toon had been used to scam someone (not saying you have) Trust and reputations here are a pillar of gameplay within EVE. Names are a big part of that since Character sales can be tracked via the game forums, we can trace when and where names have gone pretty easily now and any other transfers outside of the game forums are a violation of the TOS which can be reported since it often leads to RMT, Scammers, etc.. Even if there is a history of names, it just adds one more layer of obfuscation which dilutes the trust, respect, reputation we have currently. Forgive me if I tore into you, but obvious alt is obvious with the scant posting history.
Galen Naranek Royal Navy Industries CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.25 00:46:00 - [185] I support this idea, as long as a search on the old character name always brings up the new character. I'd also suggest that the character's corp CEO (if any) and anyone who might have the character in a buddy list get an EVE-mail informing him of the change. ___________________________________ That which kills me makes me deader
Octavio Santillian Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2009.03.02 19:20:00 - [186] Edited by: Octavio Santillian on 02/03/2009 19:24:47 IÆm for this, so long as CCP adds an Aliases tab to the character info window that would list any previous names. Best of both worlds for playersàCCP gets some extra cash. Done!
AngeBlade	Posted - 2009.03.03 23:10:00 - [187] Edited by: AngeBlade on 03/03/2009 23:11:17 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: AngeBlade This is a good idea. I think some of of the comments against this are stupid. You take this game too serious. Saying you wont make as much to sell a toon or even that more people are going to get ripped off is stupid. I think that if you can get an AKA when you search a name, then this should just be added. Heck its another thing CCP can charge us for. Win win Case in point We now know you're associated with the alliance Efferus Vehemens Inasnum Latrocinium The names of those in that alliance are on the line Their reputation is tied to your reputation Now imagine if this Toon had been used to scam someone (not saying you have) Trust and reputations here are a pillar of gameplay within EVE. Names are a big part of that since Character sales can be tracked via the game forums, we can trace when and where names have gone pretty easily now and any other transfers outside of the game forums are a violation of the TOS which can be reported since it often leads to RMT, Scammers, etc.. Even if there is a history of names, it just adds one more layer of obfuscation which dilutes the trust, respect, reputation we have currently. Forgive me if I tore into you, but obvious alt is obvious with the scant posting history. Well hate to break it to you, but i am not an alt. Just because i have a life outside of eve (SHOCK, SURPRISE!!!!) and i dont post on every stupid thread (nice post about golden waffles), doesn't mean im an alt. Nice try. Also, bump for thread. haha
wicked cheese Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.07 18:40:00 - [188] Edited by: wicked cheese on 07/03/2009 18:45:57 sounds like a good idea. although it will make merc work a bit harder. as for scamming, gonna happen either way. seems like a good idea for character buyers. edit: also giving my support in the fact that angeblade is obviously an alt
Lilla Kharn	Posted - 2009.04.14 01:00:00 - [189] Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 14/04/2009 01:03:18 Agreed. Even if only transferring a character to a different account, I approve of this idea. ------------------------------- "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
Dex Nederland Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2009.04.14 04:12:00 - [190] Characters are already linked to a number in the database, the charid. Translate this to the character's Capsuleer License ID, in game social security number. THIS NEVER CHANGES FOR THE CHARACTER. Name can change all you want/afford; right along with the portrait. Surface intel, basic rep can thus be erased. Scammers, thieves, etc will benefit, so the anti-scamming method will have to adapt, start tracking the character's CL ID along with their known aliases. In the end, it is not up to the players or the CSM to make the decision (beyond walking away from the game and not paying to play). So in order to get it in front of the decision makers, I support the CSM presenting the idea to CCP. In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net
evilphoenix Epic.	Posted - 2009.07.01 01:42:00 - [191] Please consider this CSM. --------
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.07.01 03:13:00 - [192] As long as there is a public name history I would be all for this. When I first started EVE I figured I'd play it for three months and quit like I did with every other MMO, so I didn't put much thought into naming any of my characters. Now that I'll probably play this game until they unplug it, I wish I could get one name change on my characters to better fit who they are and what they've become. So with the 'public name history' caveat, I support this. ---------------------------------
XHolyAvengerX	Posted - 2009.07.01 03:52:00 - [193] Assuming there's an aka, supported.
Kaylan Jahlar Minmatar Industrial Limited	Posted - 2009.07.01 15:48:00 - [194] Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 01/07/2009 15:49:48 Originally by: Treelox no to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts. Why make their task of hiding even easier? Characters have a character ID. When you block a player, the game adds its CharacterID in your block list, not the name. Therefore, even if someone changes his name, he/she would still be blocked afterwards because the CharacterID didn't change. Also, I seriously doubt that scammers would be willing to repetitively pay the 20$ fee (or whatever the rename fee would be) just to change their name everytime someone reports them for scamming. I would really want this myself, as long as changing someone's name has some restrictions. For example, you shouldn't be able to do it on the same character more than once every month or so (maybe even more). You would also have to be in a NPC corp (just like character transfers, for the same reasons). This would especially be useful to all the newbies that didn't know they could use spaces and proper case in their character name, and have names like "ipodalot666". I really don't see any good reason why this shouldn't be possible for a fee.
Nullshadow Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.07.01 17:19:00 - [195] I have not read through the whole thread, but one limitation to name changing I have considered suggesting would be that the name "change" would tie up a second character slot. Rather than changing your name, you get to create a new character and permanently link the two character slots together. When you log in, you can use either character slot, and that's the name and portrait that you use during that session. The other name would show as part of the Character Info tab, and since all of the information is based off of the database ID of your original character all standings and history would remain unchanged. Biomassing either character slot would wipe out both. Essentially rather than an actual name change you would be paying "CONCORD" for an official alias / "doing business as" name. I would use this service, even with the penalty I suggest. In fact I would prefer it over just a name change in some ways, as I would be able to fly in combat with a callsign and RP with a regular name.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.07.01 17:33:00 - [196] No. Not supported. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Da'Than Interstellar Military Industries	Posted - 2009.07.01 18:10:00 - [197] Supported, but bring in a name history and a time limit between to changes (6 months, one year or so).
Ninja Jones	Posted - 2009.07.01 18:22:00 - [198]
Hemmo Paskiainen Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.07.01 18:22:00 - [199] try to speak out my last name in english properly
JcJet Tungus Revolt	Posted - 2009.07.01 21:26:00 - [200] Edited by: JcJet on 01/07/2009 21:26:47 Alright. Just because i don't like name of one of my alts... --- English Language (rank 5)
Victor Michaelle	Posted - 2009.07.02 18:21:00 - [201] If people already take the time to keep track of charachter exchanges in forums, then what's a few extra clicks before important deals to see previous names? Seems rather easy in comparison, unless maybe you need to do it on a large number of people. Might be a point in making the information about previous names as easily accessable as possible. For example: You would have your new name on overviews, channels, local etc, but if someone clicks "show info" on you the list of previous names is visible in smaller text directly under your name right there on the fron page. Only one click required that way. A namechange cooldown of, say 6 months, should help in keeping that list short. I think the estetic value of more people around us having decent names should outweigh whatever inconveniance this may cause.
Fille Balle Dissolution Of Eternity Event Horizon.	Posted - 2009.07.02 22:17:00 - [202] Yup. Don't see a problem here. All the agruements that have been raised against this are basically: "oh no, I've gotten so used to the 'tools' available for me to make assumptions about people that I don't want this". In other words: moot. /Support
Kaylan Jahlar Minmatar Industrial Limited	Posted - 2009.07.03 00:06:00 - [203] Originally by: Fille Balle Yup. Don't see a problem here. All the agruements that have been raised against this are basically: "oh no, I've gotten so used to the 'tools' available for me to make assumptions about people that I don't want this". In other words: moot. /Support LOL! Exactly. Other games (such as World of Warcraft) have this service, and it never caused any problems. You can't do it more than once a month and it costs 20 or 40$ I can't remember. Either way, all of the arguments against this proposal are unfounded and unjustified, so I really hope CCP considers it regardless.
Diakono Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.07.03 11:35:00 - [204] I like this idea a lot! I personally had the bad luck to select name having 'D' for first character without knowing how the primary targets are called in this game. I hate to be usually the 2nd or 3rd primary - people with names from the first half of the alphabet tend to die much often or are forced to flee the battle than the other half. This is not fair and kills the fun. You carry the bad luck of selected name starting with 'A-F' for the entire life time of the character. I would suggest that you should be able to change your name once per 3 years. Such a long period for certian wouldn't affect the EVE world integrity in any extend.
Evelina Sol	Posted - 2009.07.05 04:27:00 - [205] The "call primary" problem sounds olike something that wouldn't actually be solved by this, though. The problem there isn't with the name, but with whatever it is that makes the alphabetical order matter.
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.07.05 07:28:00 - [206] Supported, just put a page in character info the same as employment history, "Alias History" or some such so everyone knows your old identities, it would be logical, reasonable, prevent scamming. And to keep from overloading the server, maybe limit accounts to one name change every few months? That said, I support the idea.
Mars Balearicus Cookies Cake and Pie	Posted - 2009.07.06 14:31:00 - [207] Edited by: Mars Balearicus on 06/07/2009 14:30:59 /support - on a very limited basis (ie. change name once a year or lifetime)
Syringe R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.07.06 20:52:00 - [208] Absolutely not supported. One of the greatest things about EVE is that consequences follow you wherever you go. It's what separates EVE from everything else. Accountability. If you buy a character without looking up that toon's reputation, then who's fault is that? Yup. Yours. No rez - no reroll - nothin. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question.
Mac Maniac Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.07.07 14:34:00 - [209] No
A Sinner THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY	Posted - 2009.07.07 15:05:00 - [210] When I started playing EVE a few years ago I chose the nickname that you see here, A Sinner, because Sinner is the nickname I used in all the games I played and I badly wanted to have it here as well. The current owner of Sinner is an alt of an most likely inactive player from the beta which makes me really sad. But the most dissapointing thing is that when I went through Aura's tutorial is that I wasn't told about the fact that it is VERY IMPORTANT how a player should choose his nickname. And here I am of course reffering to the FC's habbit of calling primaries by name in fleet battles. I am primary most of the time and it spoils my enjoyment of the game since I am dead in the first 30 seconds of the battle and missing all the action/killmails. I am loosing a lot of isk this way and I think its not fair to me and other players in my situation. I should have been informed about this at the beginning when it wasn't too late to create a new char. -----

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