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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.21 23:22:00 -
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Currently you can change your character's face. I would like the option to change the character name. Could charge a fee, could be part of buying a character, could be free.
I feel it would be nice for someone who bought a character to change the characters identity, remove former associations.
Someone who wanted a specific character name, that wasn't available at the time of creation is now available (biomass processing).
Anyone who would change the picture of their character would surely be interested in changing the name.
an argument:
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Allows corp thieves to change their character name and continue stealing without the community knowing or being able to track the character.
You can already do this. Simply by buying a new character. Now money is transferred directly to the character being sold, so there isn't necessary a post to track who bought it. And an alt could have been used anyway.
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Makes pilot specific intel difficult to track.
For example if there is a titan pilot that you are keeping track of being logged in, if he changes the character name you lose that intel.
Was the buddy list an intended intel tool, like local?
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Could cause problems for kill rights.
If this was tied to the character name rather than some other value associated with the character, it could be a problem. Easy fix would be require that the character doesn't have any kill rights.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.11.22 01:09:00 -
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no
to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts.
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.11.22 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
no
to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts.
Why make their task of hiding even easier?
This pretty much covers everything as to why this idea should never go through. There is no good reason to rename a character at all.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM on 22/11/2008 04:29:27
Just pick a good name when you start your character.
And this would be too easily exploitable, think if other people is pro like me and we see fleets of:
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWW
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMMM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWWMM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWWWM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMMWWW
etc! not easy calling targets!
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.22 11:52:00 -
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Not that i agree with the op wholeheartadly however he/she does raise a vailid proposal people should have the right to change their name but should have like a corp history have a history of previous names
Also the name change should have a damn good reason ie if a char is purchased through legal methods the purchaser should be able to apply for a name change 'but' with the previous name in its history,
Just my 2 cents - although in the ops opinion this is put up for a vote i think it would have a better home in the ideas and suggestions forum.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.23 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: evilphoenix on 23/11/2008 02:57:46
Originally by: Treelox
no
to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts.
Why make their task of hiding even easier?
What is the difference between buying a new character and changing your character's name?
Maybe include name changes in corp history?
And I support this.
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Psychotic Penguin
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:30:00 -
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while I have an awesome name it doesn't really fit when I want to RP
and yea there should just be a history like corp history.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.23 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: evilphoenix on 23/11/2008 16:56:25
Added idea to the features and ideas forum. For suggestions to the proposal.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=931639
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.24 11:06:00 -
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Now this is novel...
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.24 11:50:00 -
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If this was second life where you could 'marry' some other stranger in-game and want to then change part of your name to match theirs, then there might be some logic to this.
But this isn't, so nah ...
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.24 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni
If this was second life where you could 'marry' some other stranger in-game and want to then change part of your name to match theirs, then there might be some logic to this.
But this isn't, so nah ...
IZ
Because marriage is the only reason someone has taken on another name, ever.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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TRI VETRA
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.11.24 17:41:00 -
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Arri Gato
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:08:00 -
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If the old name and new name points to the same character on a search, and also clearly states the former name in the character info, then I support it.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.25 23:12:00 -
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More support?
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JorEl Tarasque
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Posted - 2008.11.26 00:37:00 -
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I agree, as long as the alias's/standing are accessible when viewing the character or from the overview for a negative standing character.
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Nikita Alterana
The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.26 02:50:00 -
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signing in support of name changes.
there must be some way to balance it so that you can change your name without letting scammers and can flippers hide.
maybe make it a one time, one shot deal for people who REALLY want it changed.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.26 20:57:00 -
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Increase the cost each time you do it?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Arri Gato
If the old name and new name points to the same character on a search, and also clearly states the former name in the character info, then I support it.
Easily knowing what someone's name used to be would be the only way I'd support name changes. Even then, I don't like it and I'm fairly sure CCP won't, either.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.11.27 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: evilphoenix
Increase the cost each time you do it?
This.
In addition: What about linking the name to the corp history? Also have you thought about what will happen when old names will become available again?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:19:00 -
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I completely disapprove of this proposal.
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Jah'Ret Khan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jah''Ret Khan on 27/11/2008 14:39:13
Makes all tracking agents and forms of pilot intel useless.
Stupid idea.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.27 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan
Edited by: Jah''Ret Khan on 27/11/2008 14:39:13
Makes all tracking agents and forms of pilot intel useless.
Stupid idea.
You mean using buddylists and local for intel rather than what it was intended for?
Intel is intel even without names visible anywhere.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Jah'Ret Khan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.27 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jah''Ret Khan on 27/11/2008 16:45:22
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan
Edited by: Jah''Ret Khan on 27/11/2008 14:39:13
Makes all tracking agents and forms of pilot intel useless.
Stupid idea.
You mean using buddylists and local for intel rather than what it was intended for?
Intel is intel even without names visible anywhere.
No, I mean creating lists of corp members within a corp and listing their prefered ships and fitouts, areas they are active and then using Locator Agents to monitor their movements.
I'm talking real intel.
Now stop trash talking my trash talking, your suppositions are just lazy and not very intelligent.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.11.27 18:10:00 -
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I'd certainly like the idea to change my name, so long as there's an 'AKA' tag attached, and that all records of the past name update automatically to the new one...
I can imagine the server load that would cause.
I'd also like to be able to change corp names without disbanding/reforming the corp. Currently I run one of the oldest corps in Eve and want to maintain the employment record/age of the corp but it's name is no longer particularly pertinent. :/
Oh... and the idiotic name that's screwing up my browser settings: Cut the idiot's name in half or ban him.
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Wanoah
Msana Foundation
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Posted - 2008.11.27 18:24:00 -
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I would like the idea of allowing name changes, as long as your character sheet lists known aliases and locator agents are able to locate people using their former names. You would have to give every character a (hidden) unique identifier and change a few bits of code to not break buddy lists etc.
Employment history should never be in scope for anything like this, nor standings.
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Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
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Posted - 2008.11.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM
Edited by: WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM on 22/11/2008 04:29:27
Just pick a good name when you start your character.
And this would be too easily exploitable, think if other people is pro like me and we see fleets of:
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWW
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMMM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWWMM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWWWM
WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMMWWW
etc! not easy calling targets!
Well, if I were running things, your name would already have been changed by the GMs. 
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.11.27 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Xerox on 27/11/2008 18:53:57
I already petitioned.
More petitions = faster nerfage.
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RedLion
Caldari
State Constructions
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Posted - 2008.11.27 19:34:00 -
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I support this feature!
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The Gallenteans must be destroyed
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.27 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: evilphoenix on 27/11/2008 23:49:34
Maybe some time limit to be associated with the character's former name. This way when you buy a new character anyone who is obsessed with tracking it can, and can see that the name was changed.
And for those whom insist it makes scammers easy to hide... what do you do hunt them down? Why don't they just create a new character on their account?
And you should check the support this feature check box.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.29 15:11:00 -
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We need YOU to show your support for this!
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Seth Kaaton
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.29 15:44:00 -
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I think it's a good idea.
I also think the buddy list should just be emptied whn the name is changed and then the character can tell anyone who they actually want to know their name that they have/are going to change it, would make much more sense seeing as one of the reasons people change their names IS to try and not be recognised...
As for people saying about scammers and thieves abusing this feature, surely the fact that you can already have 2 alts along with your main on a single account is more than enough for them to change their identity when they want/need to. The employment history could stay the same so if you knew of any events in other corps, you would still be able to link them to the various corps and add 2 and 2...
All in all it has my support
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:42:00 -
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It's an interesting idea, but the Name is the main (human) identifier in EVE, what gains and loses reputation in the universe. I'd definitely like to do this with 2 of my characters (really crap names from other players).
In additions to other suggestions here, the scam factor could be removed by;
- Only enable any character (ie. CharacterID) to change name once. ever.
- Only the name changes (nothing else, not id etc.) This way all the "Friends lists" would be current
- Flag the character ID information with "Former Name:".
As a side effect, I can see the market for sold characters would become more popular, as people could pick a new name for the character when they bought it (and would presumably differentiate 2nd hand characters vs. 3rd, 4th etc. characters).
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.01 11:29:00 -
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As you can see there are several ideas how to reduce the "scam" factor.
Please show your support.
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Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.12.01 14:38:00 -
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lol
notice how only people with funny names are supporting?
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.03 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: evilphoenix on 03/12/2008 02:06:29
I actually find it odd how many people oppose it because they feel it makes scamming easy.
Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan
No, I mean creating lists of corp members within a corp and listing their prefered ships and fitouts, areas they are active and then using Locator Agents to monitor their movements.
I'm talking real intel.
Now stop trash talking my trash talking, your suppositions are just lazy and not very intelligent.
Except, as suggested I'm fine with some type of pointer to associate the new name.
It would be horrible for you to update your "intel" with the character's new name...
And isn't that the whole point of having a spy in this hypothetical corp?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.03 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan
...No, I mean creating lists of corp members within a corp and listing their prefered ships and fitouts, areas they are active and then using Locator Agents to monitor their movements.
I'm talking real intel.
Now stop trash talking my trash talking, your suppositions are just lazy and not very intelligent.
Still the names would be tied into their former names, I really don't see where this becomes hard for you.
To the OP, thanks for taking my cause to this place, I guess it was time.
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Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Amjax
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:21:00 -
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A brilliant idea that allows a character name change whilst still keeping it's past history.
Should have been a feature a long time ago imo, when characters were allowed to be sold for ISK.
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Dasfry
Caldari
Demio's Corporation
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.04 00:50:00 -
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NO
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.04 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
It's an interesting idea, but the Name is the main (human) identifier in EVE, what gains and loses reputation in the universe. I'd definitely like to do this with 2 of my characters (really crap names from other players).
In additions to other suggestions here, the scam factor could be removed by;
- Only enable any character (ie. CharacterID) to change name once. ever.
- Only the name changes (nothing else, not id etc.) This way all the "Friends lists" would be current
- Flag the character ID information with "Former Name:".
As a side effect, I can see the market for sold characters would become more popular, as people could pick a new name for the character when they bought it (and would presumably differentiate 2nd hand characters vs. 3rd, 4th etc. characters).
Reputation is already a non-issue for those wanting to dodge it, using disposable accounts, alts, bought and sold characters. Only for characters with a good name/rep is this a pain and there's no-one forcing you to take on an alias.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.04 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: evilphoenix on 04/12/2008 23:03:38
I would be interested in a counter counter argument to my counter argument about griefers, corp thieves, scammers, and undesirable players just buying a new character to continue to grief, thieve, scam, and be undesirable. If someone has a desire to do the above, game mechanics already allow this and it's pretty darn easy.
AND that is if they want to spend money to buy a 'legit' looking character with a corp history, agent data, market data, and anything else you check. They COULD just create an alt on their current account to do the same thing.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.05 01:34:00 -
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Exactly, it doesn't stop *******s being *******s, it just prevents the rest of us from further developing our characters.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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geomatica
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.06 23:03:00 -
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Having bought two chars with (frankly) bad names (This is the better of the two), I fully support this idea. It would make me much happier to be able to choose a new name for these chars, even if it was a once-over thing. At least they would have names.
As for the scammers and corp theives, it's been said many times. They are for the most part disposable alts, or chars who don't care about "e-rep" anyway, or relish the negative light.
I think it would bring more immersion into the game, especially with Ambulation coming. I'd hate walking around Jita seeing "1leetdudeLOL" over someone's head.
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Aurora Morgan
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:24:00 -
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I think that changing people's names would be a good thing for immersion into the game, maybe allow a name change when you do a character transfer?
That reduces the scam usage to real serious scammers with a lot of money to burn, and allows people that have bought a character to not have to live with some really bad immersion destroying names.
Ps. I like my name.
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Katsuhiro Kusanagi
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Posted - 2008.12.07 11:46:00 -
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absolutely not. scammers are rife enough without this. Also it would kind of mess up things if you are hunting someone to kill...
People would just go 'Oshi, ive upset half the galaxy, time for a name change...'
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.07 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 07/12/2008 19:56:18
Originally by: Katsuhiro Kusanagi
absolutely not. scammers are rife enough without this. Also it would kind of mess up things if you are hunting someone to kill...
People would just go 'Oshi, ive upset half the galaxy, time for a name change...'
Would it matter? With your level of reading comprehension even TT could scam you, having representatives of IAC there vouching for him being a notorious scammer and you still parting with your goods on faith alone.
As for the people being hunted, those typically take great pride in being the scourge of EVE, those who doesn't just buy and sell themselves a new skin, your fears will get us nowhere.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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lord cyrez
Licentia Pro Totus
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Posted - 2008.12.07 20:39:00 -
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oh boy i'd really love to change the name of an not-so-stealth-but-well-skilled alt 
might just introduce a "recent names" list just as the corporations are being kept in which one has been before.
anyway, fully supported.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.07 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Katsuhiro Kusanagi
absolutely not. scammers are rife enough without this. Also it would kind of mess up things if you are hunting someone to kill...
People would just go 'Oshi, ive upset half the galaxy, time for a name change...'
Or they could just sell the account, and buy a new one to scam you with... I'm really tired of this logic.
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Onel Whitaker
Br4ins
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Posted - 2008.12.07 23:36:00 -
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There is no point in changing the name of you character, There will just be to many lose ends and crap and rabble rabble.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.08 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Onel Whitaker
There is no point in changing the name of you character, There will just be to many lose ends and crap and rabble rabble.
You have me convinced.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.08 16:27:00 -
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Change your character's name! Support this cause!
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Berious
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.08 17:42:00 -
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Everyone changes their name to "0100101101001010111101" or to start some letter in the middle of the alphabet to avoid being called primary.
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AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.08 18:17:00 -
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On the character trade side:
If I buy a character, the old character simply does not exist anymore. In fact you should not even get to keep the old name at all. You don't buy a character for its history in the game. If you did, it would be a sort of scam in itself as you are not the same person. So when you buy a char, you should get to name it and create its portrait as if it was a new character.
So on this side, full support.
On the game side
This is indeed a bit trickier, I don't really want to change my name as the history connected to it would disappear pretty much. You can not allow this, even with a fee, without some players abusing the system. If a comity could review character renaming requests it would be a bit easier to weed out unlegitimate requests, but even then it would not be perfect.
Then again, personally I don't care. If someone I don't like suddenly changes his character's name, chances are I won't like him under his new name either.
So supported, but under the condition that more thought is put into the mechanics.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.08 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 08/12/2008 19:44:59
Originally by: Berious
Everyone changes their name to "0100101101001010111101" or to start some letter in the middle of the alphabet to avoid being called primary.
If that's the immersion you strive for playing EVE I pity you.
That being said I'm all for numbers being disallowed in names outright.
People would just call targets using other means than rambling numbers and you'll sit there looking like a scared little idiot for going so far as to cower behind a nonsense 'name'.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.09 06:41:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Treelox
no
to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts.
Why make their task of hiding even easier?
i htought they were using alts that are deleted after few days. :P
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.09 22:35:00 -
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Any CSMs for comment?
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:30:00 -
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Post to show your support!
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Rhaegor Stormborn
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:39:00 -
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Isaac Einstein
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:55:00 -
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I support this proposal
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:33:00 -
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Please post support, or comment on the proposal.
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Kordel Trask
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Posted - 2008.12.13 00:05:00 -
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I'm all for this.
I believe us many of us just created a casual character when we started just to check things out.
After I had been in for a few months and started figuring out how Eve worked I was reluctant to create a new characters and lose those months of training.
If nothing else let it be a once in a lifetime. thing.
Keep the characters history and standings but change the name.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kordel Trask
I'm all for this.
I believe us many of us just created a casual character when we started just to check things out.
After I had been in for a few months and started figuring out how Eve worked I was reluctant to create a new characters and lose those months of training.
If nothing else let it be a once in a lifetime. thing.
Keep the characters history and standings but change the name.
Per character/per account? So when you buy a character you can change the name of it?
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Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2008.12.14 10:48:00 -
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I am really partial on this. 
The thing is that I have a strong dislike for stupid character names.
The other thing is that I also have a strong dislike for stupid players.
So on one hand, an option to change names might reduce the number of stupid character names. However, it would rob me of the sadistic pleasure of knowing, that all those with a stupid character name are stuck with it forever as some kind of never ending punishment, stigmatizing them to everyone as puberty's finest.
Of course it would only be fair to give everyone a second chance at some point. People grow up, after all. It would be better if they could do the growing up part elsewhere first, but the world is not perfect. 
Eventually, there is a simple solution, in my opinion:
Allow players to change their character's name when the trial time ends. Once you start your paid time, the game could remind players that they will be stuck with their name, nothing to be done about it, unless they change it now.
Since I have absolutely no sympathy for bought/sold characters, I do not have a suggestion for their case. That option is a blight anyway.
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Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
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Posted - 2008.12.14 11:03:00 -
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No. But Jins' post above has it right.
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.14 19:38:00 -
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I'm gonna go ahead and support this, for obvious reasons.
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Empire Godness
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Posted - 2008.12.14 23:39:00 -
[65]
Can't say that I need to change my name... but I don't have a problem with people changing names.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:26:00 -
[66]
No.
Terrible idea.
Reasons have been given above (reputation, corp thieves, etc...).
Acceptable exception would be to allow a once only name change after trial period ends - so players who made up ad hoc names at start of trial can fix a stupid name and get rid of unwanted digits. At that time there is not much reputation to keep and nobody should have had any chance to steal with a 2 week old char.
If you don't like the name of a char you are offered - don't buy it - it's just like any other attribute/skill you might dislike.
Besides - it's certainly not worth the code/DB effort and potential bugs that might result from this.
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Jacqueline Skouris
Dreadnoughts of Eternity
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Posted - 2008.12.16 23:29:00 -
[67]
Can't believe this hasn't already been done.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:01:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Glengrant
No.
Terrible idea.
Reasons have been given above (reputation, corp thieves, etc...).
Acceptable exception would be to allow a once only name change after trial period ends - so players who made up ad hoc names at start of trial can fix a stupid name and get rid of unwanted digits. At that time there is not much reputation to keep and nobody should have had any chance to steal with a 2 week old char.
If you don't like the name of a char you are offered - don't buy it - it's just like any other attribute/skill you might dislike.
Besides - it's certainly not worth the code/DB effort and potential bugs that might result from this.
You know there would be a known alias history for this but by all means let fear and narrowmindedness guide you.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.17 22:09:00 -
[69]
Like I've said before...
I would really like to see someone explain how this helps scammers, et al because you can already do it! Buy a character or create an alt!
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Theqwert125
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Posted - 2008.12.18 02:20:00 -
[70]
Hell yes
(Young and stupid when I named myself, and im now to nearly 20M sp )
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Grigo
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:35:00 -
[71]
aldow i would like to do that ....i would say NO...scamers would cover there tracs to easy
at the best a 1 swap/account and chars(yeah 1 change on the acount and all chars so u dont swap chars whit a nother acount change the name and reswap it) ...
for example...i have a nother char on my acount that is as old as my main...but i would love to change names whit that char...i like it more...
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Originally by: Avernus
...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
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Grigo
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:14:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Glengrant
Besides - it's certainly not worth the code/DB effort and potential bugs that might result from this.
actualy not more that can happen...eve player database is ID based so char name dosent realy matter...
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Originally by: Avernus
...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
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3rr0rc0d3
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Posted - 2008.12.19 06:57:00 -
[73]
I fully support/endorse this thread because it is made of win.
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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:44:00 -
[74]
I approve so long as strict limits are placed on such a feature. I'm thinking a 6 month cooldown and a ten dollar fee. That way the potential for abuse becomes very small.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.19 23:03:00 -
[75]
Balancing and price should be left up to CCP. You have to hope they do it correctly, and express your concerns.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.20 02:49:00 -
[76]
Number of years ago I had to give up a 2003 character because, I did make a mistake, and I could not live with the name.
Yes, it took me 2 years to realize, or rather 2 years worth of experience to actually love EVE the way I do, and I could not live with that character's name.
Now, I know it was difficult for me, as it might be for any others.
Should CCP come up with a way to trace the characters' names then I would totally support this. Because there is really no reason why people should suffer for years due to immersion issues and character names if it can be avoided.
So, I go by my pain, and I empathize with those who genuinely feel they have made a mistake in naming their character, and I hope CCP comes up with a way to help you guys, although they were not able to help me.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.20 18:02:00 -
[77]
Play style change? Decide you actually do enjoy this internet space ship game after creating a temporary character? Decide you want to RP?
Then support changing your name!
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Shavik Sumi
Joint Ventures Limited
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Posted - 2008.12.21 20:21:00 -
[78]
I support this as long as there is a form of character name history much like employment history.
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Co-CEO Joint Ventures Limited
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Hajosiko Monosi
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Posted - 2008.12.23 08:14:00 -
[79]
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Xeno Xandovar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.12.23 09:46:00 -
[80]
/Signed
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.24 01:20:00 -
[81]
Please support this proposal.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.24 21:50:00 -
[82]
Namechange would be good when buying/selling a char, though I'm not sure it should be allowed in other cases
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.26 04:23:00 -
[83]
Originally by: FlameGlow
Namechange would be good when buying/selling a char, though I'm not sure it should be allowed in other cases
Buying and selling characters is exactly the type of activity used by the scammers who have people opposed to the whole concept. If anything character sales should be outlawed completely in favor of name changes.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.27 16:32:00 -
[84]
People can already get around YOU keeping track of THEM by buying a new character, selling their character that damaged you, or by creating an alt on the same account.
Let people who've purchased a character, changed play styles, or decided they like this game after all change their name.
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William Charmer
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Posted - 2008.12.27 20:24:00 -
[85]
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Tavja Halonen
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Posted - 2008.12.29 08:25:00 -
[86]
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:40:00 -
[87]
Originally by: evilphoenix
...Let people who've ... changed play styles...change their name.
Of course you'd still have the list of their past names and keep tabs on them and keep killing them for slights past till you deem the matter settled. No matter if he's crying into his poorly tanking wet paperbag of roleplay or not.
It's not a get out of jail free card, it's about adding depth to the game.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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SFShootme
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.30 00:05:00 -
[88]
Sweet i'm totally gonna stop bieing called primary....
bad idea
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.30 02:06:00 -
[89]
Originally by: SFShootme
Sweet i'm totally gonna stop bieing called primary....
bad idea
The other option is members are required to change their names to get specific orders of primary.
So what if you have a whole alliance full of:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz9999
CCP gets their money from charging for the service, and those of us who what to change our character name can.
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ATARI BABY
Lords Of Guile
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Posted - 2008.12.30 04:56:00 -
[90]
sorry nope.. never gonna happen. :D
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2008.12.30 17:01:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Andrea Griffin on 30/12/2008 17:02:16
People seem to think that this will cause the buddy list to fail, and I'm not sure why. I would be floored if it did. I'd wadger 100m isk that it uses the same unique character IDs that the rest of the system uses.
Besides. CCP already has the ability to change names. I've seen it done as the result of a petition of mine. And nothing else changes - just the name.
Remember, we're not wiping coporation history, contract history, standings, security status, etc. - we're just changing a name. It's very much like changing your portrait.
Just keep a list of "Formerly Known As" somewhere on the character sheet, and charge Real Money for the process, and I'd be quite happy.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:03:00 -
[92]
Please support this topic.
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Xailz
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 22:48:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan
Edited by: Jah''Ret Khan on 27/11/2008 16:45:22
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan
Edited by: Jah''Ret Khan on 27/11/2008 14:39:13
Makes all tracking agents and forms of pilot intel useless.
Stupid idea.
You mean using buddylists and local for intel rather than what it was intended for?
Intel is intel even without names visible anywhere.
No, I mean creating lists of corp members within a corp and listing their prefered ships and fitouts, areas they are active and then using Locator Agents to monitor their movements.
I'm talking real intel.
Now stop trash talking my trash talking, your suppositions are just lazy and not very intelligent.
Agent: "I did some digging and discovered that this pilot has recently changed his name, his new name is <> and i discovered he is currently located in <>"
???? I think that's the intelligent part you were talking about
As for local Intel you're telling me you don't show info on people as they/you enter local regardless of if you recognize their name? and for lists of pilots in corps and preferred ship types, I'd imagine you would track this if you're going to fight said corp
This is that Lazy part you were talking about
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Angela Moore
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Posted - 2009.01.01 05:42:00 -
[94]
i agree that we can, wow and warhammer has it, why cant we?
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.03 05:45:00 -
[95]
You can also do it in the United States, in most first person shooters, and some online forums.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2009.01.04 15:28:00 -
[96]
So long as it comes with the caveats mentioned, I don't see why not.
... and I really think they should boost T2 plate HP.
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Kaya Divine
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Posted - 2009.01.04 20:04:00 -
[97]
Full support. Even if name is changed, it will remain on friends, and blocked lists. So it could be tracked. And will not be used to hide theirs identity.
But its really stupid, to buy some char, and he or she is called eeeek or rofltl000zzz, xyzanywaywhat....especially if you are RP.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.06 02:49:00 -
[98]
Please support this proposal.
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Erick Voliffe
Celestial Vagabonds
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Posted - 2009.01.06 03:42:00 -
[99]
I support this.
Theirs already a million ways for people to scam, this won't make much of a difference. I like the idea of having a name tab like the one for employment, plus limit it to 2 times. This would give tons of people a second chance who didn't put much thought into their character's name without starting over.
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Motaka
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Posted - 2009.01.06 03:53:00 -
[100]
NO you chose your name live with it,bought your account tough,should of had the patience to create your own character.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.06 23:27:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Motaka
NO you chose your name live with it,bought your account tough,should of had the patience to create your own character.
Obviously people already live with it. Just because YOU don't want to change your name doesn't mean someone else wouldn't like to. Just because YOU don't care about your character's name doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't care about their character's names.
Once again I'll say that we should leave the limit to name changes up to CCP or their balancing team. Why limit it? If they charge money for it, that would limit some people. Depending on implementation CCP/GMs could view names that were changed to prevent people "One Upping" one another.
Pretty common request to create a "name tab" or some other method of tracking the character name. Once again, I am only requesting the ability to change my character name not spell out exactly how it is implemented, the fee, or anything of that sort. All of those tasks should fall on CCP to determine what is fair and balanced.
Here is another example of where it would be nice:
In your corporation you have a rank structure (or faction warfare?) When your character was created you created a "Lt Bob" But as far as your corp is concerned you're a Colonel, it would be nice to make your name match right? Or you just want to add that to your character name "General evilphoenix" anyone?
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Bironti
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Posted - 2009.01.07 00:03:00 -
[102]
Someone can change their character's pic for a fee why not be able to change the name for a fee? Course i don't ever see this happening. |
evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.10 01:07:00 -
[103]
You know you want to! Just think if you support this, you too could become 'evilphoenix'! |
Sedious Bloke
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Posted - 2009.01.10 03:13:00 -
[104]
I really hate my name but that doesn't make this idea any better
*failstamp* |
Saavie
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Posted - 2009.01.10 17:06:00 -
[105]
I support this. Would be a pretty good and interresting feature to change the name. Everybody gots its own reason. |
Armitage RU
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Posted - 2009.01.10 18:22:00 -
[106]
I bored to be primmary.
I wanna rebuy my caracter.
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Saralle Zhukov
Minmatar
Win Tech
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Posted - 2009.01.11 07:49:00 -
[107]
No.
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Jonas Barcal
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Posted - 2009.01.11 09:40:00 -
[108]
Supported.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.12 14:57:00 -
[109]
Please support this.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.01.12 15:50:00 -
[110]
I support allowing people with ridiculous names to change theirs for a fee, but entirely at the disrection of the the GM - if it's deemed that the individual is wishing to change their name for nefarious reasons they're told to shove their money where the sun don't shine.
Yeah right, like CCP would ever throw your money back in your face, but I can dream! |
TNF absolution
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 02:25:00 -
[111]
I bought my toon and had nothing to do with it's creation. I should be given a chance to change the stupid name. |
Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:47:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Captain Thunk
There is no good reason to rename a character at all.
Captain Thunk
Unless you happen to have chosen a name that starts with 'A' and you wish to participate in fleet fights without being the top of the enemy's primary list every time. Supported.
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Ecatherina W
Gallente
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:07:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Ecatherina W on 14/01/2009 12:07:28
Against - and strongly so!
First of all - if you are allowed to change the characters name, are you also allowed to remove the employment history? Because if suddenly Joe Average is showing as having been in my corp and I am convoed by a CEO for a reference - then I will have to say "Eh, we never had a Joe Average, we did have a Joe Dumbass, but I have no way to know if it is the same guy..."
Your name is your most important asset in Eve. Have a good name, a name remembered by people as a trustworthy and respectable player - it is worth more than ISK.
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StarStryder
Zero-Hour
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:57:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ecatherina W
Edited by: Ecatherina W on 14/01/2009 12:07:28
Against - and strongly so!
First of all - if you are allowed to change the characters name, are you also allowed to remove the employment history? Because if suddenly Joe Average is showing as having been in my corp and I am convoed by a CEO for a reference - then I will have to say "Eh, we never had a Joe Average, we did have a Joe Dumbass, but I have no way to know if it is the same guy..."
Your name is your most important asset in Eve. Have a good name, a name remembered by people as a trustworthy and respectable player - it is worth more than ISK.
Not exactly a compelling argument. You say "We've never had a Joe Average. Bye". The person asking the question leaves confused and will remain so until they learn to read. What a pity.
This thread has seen the same arguments over and over and every one of them has been thoroughly debunked. So please stop repeating the same old crap and come up with something new.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:03:00 -
[115]
I do not support this. I do not want this idea implimented. |
evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.15 01:28:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ecatherina W
Edited by: Ecatherina W on 14/01/2009 12:07:28
Against - and strongly so!
First of all - if you are allowed to change the characters name, are you also allowed to remove the employment history? Because if suddenly Joe Average is showing as having been in my corp and I am convoed by a CEO for a reference - then I will have to say "Eh, we never had a Joe Average, we did have a Joe Dumbass, but I have no way to know if it is the same guy..."
bla bla bla
That's why you ask your new "recruit" for references from previous corps. Then you talk to them. You get references from from these references. Talk to them. Then you repeat until you're either satisfied with your recruit, or have learned enough to deny this recruit, or are bored and realize it's a game.
Doesn't anyone know how to do a real background check these days? |
Grigo
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:55:00 -
[117]
/suported
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Originally by: Avernus
...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
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Pesadel0
Rytiri Lva
R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 09:21:00 -
[118]
suported
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Fraud Crawler
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:21:00 -
[119]
You should be allowed to change the name of characters you purchase.
People should not be forced to use the name "CobraBytez." |
Caldari Citizen000001
Caldari
United Nations Star Fleet
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Posted - 2009.01.15 22:27:00 -
[120]
support. |
LUC1FER
Rulers Of Mankind
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Posted - 2009.01.16 06:12:00 -
[121]
I support it.
I have bought Toons off forums.. and as a result, I am stuck with some ******ed names. Hell, I Created an alt with a ******ed name, and have actually trained her up to be a decent pilot.
For Corp Security issues, have the former name associated and viewable with the Limited API. Since any corporation serious about security will ask appliacnts for this anyhow, why the hell not.
Set a fee to it. Same as changing your picture. |
Tyson Gallane
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:54:00 -
[122]
Lets say you are trying to find a war target called "L33tzt00big", but he has changed his name to "C4ntfindM3" in an attempt to evade you.
When you type "L33tzt00big" into your search, it should come up with "C4ntfindM3"'s page, with a tab showing his previous identities. His corp history etc would remain entirely unchanged. You track him easily and shoot him in the face.
If it's done like this then I definitely support it. 
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.16 15:57:00 -
[123]
Originally by: evilphoenix
Just because YOU don't care about your character's name doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't care about their character's names.
If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names.
No support from me. |
evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.16 21:05:00 -
[124]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names.
No support from me.
Thank you for your reply.
Now why won't you support it? I think every argument against has been thoroughly debunked. The exact implementation is up to CCP, character name history or whatever. Which, as a CSM, you would have a say in. |
evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.18 15:58:00 -
[125]
Please support this topic.
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Ted Grayham
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Posted - 2009.01.18 19:43:00 -
[126]
Your avatar represents you in EVE Online. The fact that you will no doubt change while playing EVE implicits that you should be able to mirror that change unto your avatar. I see no reason not to let this happen, other than possible technical issues. Seeing as scamming and criminal activity is perfectly "legal" within the bounds of EVE, changing your name to get away could be seen as nothing more than a small addition to the gameplay features. |
Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.18 23:16:00 -
[127]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: evilphoenix
Just because YOU don't care about your character's name doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't care about their character's names.
If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names.
No support from me.
I must've missed the warning message when I started that said "Don't choose a name that starts with an 'A' as fleet overviews are generally sorted by alphabet and you will be targeted first every time."
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Elena Morin'staal
Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.19 14:00:00 -
[128]
What would be needed is a way to match the new name against the old name with regards to searches, buddy lists, etc, so that it is still possible to find people using the original name.
Then you'd need like a new tab, or an addition to employment history, called "known Aliases" - literally other names the character has gone by.
If you have them, I can't see a way for a scammer to hide by changing name, as long as people are smart and check the tab. |
evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.20 22:04:00 -
[129]
What is the critical number of supports before a CSM will champion the proposal?
Any other CSMs willing to comment on this?
Clearly your character names are important to you now, because you'll always be known as a CSM, unless afterwords you want to escape that title...
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Erick Voliffe
Celestial Vagabonds
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Posted - 2009.01.21 05:01:00 -
[130]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: evilphoenix
Just because YOU don't care about your character's name doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't care about their character's names.
If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names.
No support from me.
Here's another scenario, what if you've been playing awhile say 2 or more years(march will 3 years for me ) and oneday you come up with a name you like better. The option now is to just deal with what you have now or start a new character, i don't know about everyone else but i don't want to start over just to get a different name. Not that i don't like the name i got just have one i like more.
Originally by: Elena Morin'staal
What would be needed is a way to match the new name against the old name with regards to searches, buddy lists, etc, so that it is still possible to find people using the original name.
Then you'd need like a new tab, or an addition to employment history, called "known Aliases" - literally other names the character has gone by.
If you have them, I can't see a way for a scammer to hide by changing name, as long as people are smart and check the tab.
"known aliases" , i like that idea.
Again i don't see what the big deal is, personally i don't see it effecting the way others play, hell you can even do some roleplaying as to the reason for the name change. Though something like this will need a limit.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.23 01:19:00 -
[131]
Please support this proposal. |
LEGO Commander
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:44:00 -
[132]
Hey... WoW lets you do it. Change your appearance, change your name... all for a nominal fee.
I guess if you don't have an awesome name like I do... you can change it if you want.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.24 17:40:00 -
[133]
Originally by: LEGO Commander
Hey... WoW lets you do it. Change your appearance, change your name... all for a nominal fee.
I guess if you don't have an awesome name like I do... you can change it if you want.
You sir are probably the only supporter who doesn't want to change his/her name. Thank you for your support. |
Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
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Posted - 2009.01.24 23:24:00 -
[134]
Havent read it all through..
But I would like this option, or at least some cool callsign feature..
Changing callsign should take maybe 24 hours?
Just my 2 isk
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Kevin Burkhoff
Gods of War
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Posted - 2009.01.26 23:39:00 -
[135]
Support!
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Aeron RU
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:05:00 -
[136]
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Efrim Black
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:39:00 -
[137]
Make it the cost double everytime it's used, starting at 25 million.
50/100/200/400/800/1.6 bil etc etc.
Until some kind of extreme cost for Concord allowing a name change, I do not support.
If thats not viable, try picking a good name from the beginning?
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.29 22:21:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Efrim Black
Make it the cost double everytime it's used, starting at 25 million.
50/100/200/400/800/1.6 bil etc etc.
Until some kind of extreme cost for Concord allowing a name change, I do not support.
If thats not viable, try picking a good name from the beginning?
I would expect they would want cashy money for this service, much like changing your character picture. That is a dev/balance team issue let them determine the specifics. Just give us the option!
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Angela Moore
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Posted - 2009.01.30 02:23:00 -
[139]
supported
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.30 03:04:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
evil - I'm somewhat on the fence on your proposal, and so is the playerbase it seems. While you do have 54 supports, you also have 135 replies in total, of which about 20 are you bumping the thread and most of the rest against it. Basically a 50/50 split after you take into account the people who also supported without a thumbs up. Convince more people to give it a thumbs up and I'll consider backing it.
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The majority of the against were worried about being scammed by the same person (IRL) but they just renamed the character using my proposal. The easy counter is, I scam you for 2b. Get on the forums, buy a new character for 1b with an alt. No record of my 'scamming' character ever buying a new character, and I scam you again. Oh, and I can sell my 'scamming' character and give someone else the headache of your 'grief'. All perfectly fine with CCP.
Then some whom are against it strongly believe that a character name means something. Clearly, I do too since I want to pick something else. So if a character name is so important, then why not let me change my character name?
Then the rest are worried we'll start having fleets where you call primaries starting with zzz and then zzzz and so on. I would expect that would happen, but short of some type of 'alliance/corp' mandate on changing your character name I don't expect everyone to do this.
So with that, give me more reasons why this is a bad idea.
Also, there have been items voted on that didn't have half as many supports. There have been items voted on that didn't have a majority of the community supporting it, which why should it? The nano nerf had maybe 50% support? I felt suicide ganking was fine. I think using an Orca to enable a -10 to suicide someone is genius.
So clearly, I'm on the opposite side of these arguments, but I'm not alone and they was, is, or did get discussed or passed.
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Ignition SemperFi
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:04:00 -
[141]
no |
evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.31 02:54:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
no
So constructive, I guess if all else fails just disagree without reason.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.31 04:03:00 -
[143]
Originally by: evilphoenix
So with that, give me more reasons why this is a bad idea.
Also, there have been items voted on that didn't have half as many supports. There have been items voted on that didn't have a majority of the community supporting it, which why should it? The nano nerf had maybe 50% support? I felt suicide ganking was fine. I think using an Orca to enable a -10 to suicide someone is genius.
1. I don't think it's a bad idea per se. I just don't think enough people think it's a good idea for me to champion it, which leads on to:
2. Just because other people are willing to champion things with less support doesn't mean I will. There's 7 other CSM's who may take up the cause with this amount of support (LaVista has already said no), but at this point I won't. If one of those CSM's brought the issue up for a vote, then I would look at it like every other issue brought up and vote accordingly. |
eliminator2
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.01.31 07:59:00 -
[144]
its a good idea and here is a suggestion
CCP could give each character a certain code so even if you change the name of your character the buddy list and stuff will automaticly change it to the right name so you wount get any misleads in your buddy list, allso if someone was to change that name how would it still exist as a charater when it doesnt belong to anyone? :D
just my 2 cents for help towards the character name change
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.31 23:23:00 -
[145]
I was against this, but after the arguments found here I am for this. As long as the cost increases per name change and the name change is listed in the players information sheet somewhere viewable by everyone.
I don't see a whole lot of people doing this as it would mess with your killboard stats. This would be a nice option for FCs that find themselves insta-primary or people named "AAAA" that always get insta primaried in fleet fights :)
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.31 23:46:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
1. I don't think it's a bad idea per se. I just don't think enough people think it's a good idea for me to champion it, which leads on to:
2. Just because other people are willing to champion things with less support doesn't mean I will. There's 7 other CSM's who may take up the cause with this amount of support (LaVista has already said no), but at this point I won't. If one of those CSM's brought the issue up for a vote, then I would look at it like every other issue brought up and vote accordingly.
What is the magic number of supports before you "champion" an idea? This thread has 142 posts and 57 supports. I went through all 5 pages and lost count at around 50 posts made by people who already ticked support. So it is more like 92 posts and 57 suports which is a very good number.
This topic is much more supported than Factional Warfare complex spawning that got THREE TOTAL REPLIES or a useless change like adding dumb stripes to medals
So what you are saying is that this topic is more popular and supported by more players than lots of other topics, but you do not wish to support it because you are too much of a ***** to take a side? You represent the people of EVE and talk to CCP for us, if the people of EVE support adding in elves to EVE then that is what you bring up. If you do not wish to listen to the people and champion the people's ideas then gtfo out of the CSM.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.02.01 01:56:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Vaal Erit
So what you are saying is that this topic is more popular and supported by more players than lots of other topics, but you do not wish to support it because you are too much of a ***** to take a side? You represent the people of EVE and talk to CCP for us, if the people of EVE support adding in elves to EVE then that is what you bring up.
yup, because abusing the person you want to take up your cause is a wonderful way of getting them to do it 
There is no magic number, but I don't think there are enough people saying "do this now" compared to the people who are saying "no, don't do this". If I felt strongly about this one way or the other, I would or wouldn't pick this topic up to champion or just say no - I'm still on the fence as to whether this is a good idea or not.
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If you do not wish to listen to the people and champion the people's ideas then gtfo out of the CSM.
Unfortunately for you, I can't just look at minorities (which 57 people are) and then demand that all of the eve payers want this. As I said, there are 7 other CSM's that can champion this right now, or you can wait to get a bit more support and then I'll consider it again. My job is to represent everyone in eve, for the betterment of everyone in eve, if that means I don't pick something up that I consider is on the fence, so be it.
As for adding elves to eve, you can get me 1k people who sign a thread saying yes and I won't champion that topic, just because you get a group of people who think it's a good idea doesn't necessarily make it a good idea for the game.
If you have such major issues with the way I'm conducting myself as a CSM, feel free to not vote for me the next time around, or maybe grow some balls and run yourself and then you can champion the things you want to champion.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.01 14:26:00 -
[148]
Edited by: evilphoenix on 01/02/2009 14:34:49
Originally by: Omber Zombie
yup, because abusing the person you want to take up your cause is a wonderful way of getting them to do it
This is very rarely the way to go. I have always tried to be civil, and would like to encourage anyone whom feels strongly about this proposal or any proposal to do the same.
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If you do not wish to listen to the people and champion the people's ideas then gtfo out of the CSM.
Obviously anyone who plays is going to have some opinions, thoughts, or ideas about the game. Some we agree on, some we do not. Some we don't care about either way. I think the point here is, there have been topics with much less visibility that have been brought forth to the CSM.
There are only two CSM who have taken the time to reply. So the 'attack' isn't directed at solely Omber Zombie. I do realize you probably get messages like this and eve mails constantly, I know I sent a few eve mails :-p, but if I knew this was being read by the CSM, and had an idea where each of you stood I could debate my case.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names.
No support from me.
You've never heard of someone whom created a character for the trial on a whim and then came to love the game but didn't want to sacrifice all the skill time they put into the character to create another?
Don't think I've seen many characters sell on the forums because it had a cool name, most of us whom buy characters buy them because we want to fly more cool ships, or more specialized ships (skill points).
Obviously the skill points are more important to me than the character's name. As they're important to the majority of players whom buy characters, but I've seen a few who didn't sell, or didn't get as much as they could because the name was horrible. I would think by supporting this proposal you would help the character market because now YOU can buy a more elite character and rename it to LaVista Vista! And all those crappy character names can be changed, thus anyone who cares enough not to buy a character with a bad name can now change it.
Did I mention that you can already buy a character and off load your scamming character thus hiding your identity?
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Ignition SemperFi
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.02.02 00:35:00 -
[149]
most of the reasons why i feel you shouldnt be able to change your name have already been listed.
but for me, the biggest one continues on with eve's consequences to your actions - actions creating, or buying the character. Deal with it.
The only time i would support it is after having your named nerfd by ccp due to a petiotion. You should have a one time option for the same cost as changing your char's face to change your name.
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Alex Logan
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.02 06:07:00 -
[150]
I could swing in either direction on this one. I think however I will support it. What keeps a person from changing their name in the real world to avoid something they did in their past? Nothing really. Though if you dig hard enough you could probably find the truth. Maybe add a skill, criminal investigation, to divulge info like this on people.
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Lourdric
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Posted - 2009.02.03 03:50:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Lourdric on 03/02/2009 03:50:53
Originally by: Alex Logan
I could swing in either direction on this one. I think however I will support it. What keeps a person from changing their name in the real world to avoid something they did in their past? Nothing really. Though if you dig hard enough you could probably find the truth. Maybe add a skill, criminal investigation, to divulge info like this on people.
I agree with Alex, I too will support this. But would be nice with some limitations attached. As in one time name change with Fee. Adding a investagation skill into character back-ground would be awesome. The higher the skill the more info you can get. character name, skill points. even maybe current ship. Tie this into the locator agent option but require a skill set.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.04 02:26:00 -
[152]
I like the idea of a skill set to get info out of characters such as an alias. I think that maybe if it were to be implemented that way, that may ease the minds of the players whom feel that someone can hide from them. Are there really that many of you that are stalkers?!
I disagree with limiting. If they charge real money, that's a revenue stream for CCP which is good for them and what is good for them is generally good for the players. If they charge isk, sure have it double each time or something, nice isk sink.
I'll say it again, the implementation should be left up to CCP or the CSM. There are balancing concerns, cost concerns, ect.. that's what they get paid to do. Can we just agree that the having the ability to change your character name would be a desired feature? |
Molock Saronen
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Posted - 2009.02.04 15:36:00 -
[153]
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Paskis Robinson
Hyperdyne Systems
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Posted - 2009.02.05 11:39:00 -
[154]
Supported on two conditions.
1> History of names is part of employment history log (or similar but this seems a good place.)
2> Maximum 1 name change per year (or other arbitrary period designed to avoid name skipping.)
People who buy characters want to change their names, fair enough. People who change corps, or play styles, may want to as well. I know it would annoy people who have enemy FC's on their buddy list; hence the extended period of the name change limit. People should *rarely* need this, but for those who genuinely want to and have good reason to for their own game play satisfaction, the option SHOULD exist.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:36:00 -
[155]
Show your support, encourage the CSM to vote on this! |
Miner Nine
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:04:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Miner Nine on 07/02/2009 11:04:23
OH MY GOD, If you change your name you'll possible lose all your internet rep!
How am I suppose to hate some internet dude that might of quit and sold his character if he changes his name?!
AaaaaaaaAAaa
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Brick Hampton
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:05:00 -
[157]
I don't know the story about why they don't exist, but I'm going to assume it goes with the nature of the game.
But, I was thinking, what if there was a name change log, similar to employment history. That way you can see 'He was named Bill from 10.10 to 10.12 and in the Corp Stewie from 10.10 to 10.11 so he is obviously a spy' scammer or etc.
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Caedmon Gower
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:14:00 -
[158]
Supported! I'm happy with my name and wouldn't change it, but can certainly understand others wanting to change theirs.
I have plenty of faith in CCP/CSM ability to work out the balancing details, so no "conditions" on my support here. |
Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:36:00 -
[159]
I can say the ability to change a character's name once a year would be a good thing though you would have to be able to search fo a character by their old name or it could be ruthlessly exploited even only once a year as EVE is a social game. Currently there is the issue that each name in EVE is unique and hence a character who's name was changed would take up two spots.
So unfortunantly I cannot fully support the ability to change names currently, but do believe it is an issue that there should be discussion on how to answer. |
Angela Moore
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Posted - 2009.02.08 23:54:00 -
[160]
I want it to happen because i hate roleplaying, actually, ive been called gay for making a girl character and giving her a "real name". So im thinking this will be a great solution to my problem |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:33:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Angela Moore
I want it to happen because i hate roleplaying, actually, ive been called gay for making a girl character and giving her a "real name". So im thinking this will be a great solution to my problem
That's the saddest thing I've read all day. |
Angela Moore
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:18:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: Angela Moore
I want it to happen because i hate roleplaying, actually, ive been called gay for making a girl character and giving her a "real name". So im thinking this will be a great solution to my problem
That's the saddest thing I've read all day.
lol man, its true though 
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Efrim Black
Gallente
Apellon
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:20:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Angela Moore
I want it to happen because i hate roleplaying, actually, ive been called gay for making a girl character and giving her a "real name". So im thinking this will be a great solution to my problem
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Angela Moore
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:59:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: Angela Moore
I want it to happen because i hate roleplaying, actually, ive been called gay for making a girl character and giving her a "real name". So im thinking this will be a great solution to my problem
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srry i meant i hate roleplaying now
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Marlona Sky
Caldari
Astroglide X
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:48:00 -
[165]
Horrible idea. Only useful for thieves and people who screw over 4+ yrs of an alliances hard work with the click of one button...
If your worried about people holding a grudge and tracking you down for the rest of your eve career then maybe don't do it?
Will not support a 'Get out of jail free' card.
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.12 22:23:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Horrible idea. Only useful for thieves and people who screw over 4+ yrs of an alliances hard work with the click of one button...
If your worried about people holding a grudge and tracking you down for the rest of your eve career then maybe don't do it?
Will not support a 'Get out of jail free' card.
Such a heart wrenching argument. So you petition every character sale eh?
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:41:00 -
[167]
Please show your support for this proposal.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari
Astroglide X
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Posted - 2009.02.14 23:27:00 -
[168]
Originally by: evilphoenix
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Horrible idea. Only useful for thieves and people who screw over 4+ yrs of an alliances hard work with the click of one button...
If your worried about people holding a grudge and tracking you down for the rest of your eve career then maybe don't do it?
Will not support a 'Get out of jail free' card.
Such a heart wrenching argument. So you petition every character sale eh?
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Ragnar Foulberg
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Posted - 2009.02.14 23:57:00 -
[169]
I absolutely support this idea on two conditions:
1. Character names can only be changed once.
2. There is a fee associated for the change, similar to changing portraits.
If those two conditions are followed, that should significantly limit the usefulness of this change to scammers, but still give serious EVE players the opportunity to correct a foolish name on an otherwise good character.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.02.15 01:21:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ragnar Foulberg
I absolutely support this idea on two conditions:
1. Character names can only be changed once.
2. There is a fee associated for the change, similar to changing portraits.
If those two conditions are followed, that should significantly limit the usefulness of this change to scammers, but still give serious EVE players the opportunity to correct a foolish name on an otherwise good character.
You mean like we'll be able to respec. attributes only once? Yeah that sounds reasonable...
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Lunewrath
Amarr
Celestial Ascension
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.15 01:25:00 -
[171]
I don't support this.
You picked a name out of a Chinese take out menu, suffer. Implement name changes and you may as well shard the servers imo. Your name, your reputation, carries massive weight in this game (particularity if you misuse it).
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.02.15 01:58:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Lunewrath
I don't support this.
You picked a name out of a Chinese take out menu, suffer. Implement name changes and you may as well shard the servers imo. Your name, your reputation, carries massive weight in this game (particularity if you misuse it).
No it doesn't, there are so many scammers, pirates, whatever other lowlives you got, around that people simply can't be assed to keep track anymore. These people change corporations like I change underwear too and the game cater to this dummy front business to the point where someone hiding behind an alias is simply another shrug among shrugs.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Ris Dnalor
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2009.02.15 03:13:00 -
[173]
Yea,
there's plenty of people that need to change their names. I say let em. Generate another source of income for CCP. Just keep their old names in their char info showing a history of previous names
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.15 13:26:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Lunewrath
I don't support this.
You picked a name out of a Chinese take out menu, suffer. Implement name changes and you may as well shard the servers imo. Your name, your reputation, carries massive weight in this game (particularity if you misuse it).
Ah yes... And who are you again?
Did I mention you can buy or sell a character to dodge this mythical reputation if you so desire? Don't forget of course there are 300 thousand players, so you know all of the pirates, thieves, and crooks?
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Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.15 16:42:00 -
[175]
Never going to happen, simply too simple for the more dark and conspiring of us to negate any and all risk & consequences alike in ventures like thieving, scamming, griefing, etc.
CCP are pretty keen on the balance between risk and reward so - without CCP providing a method to look up previous identities of characters through whatever mechanism they deem fit - it's just not going to happen.
No support for this. Ever.
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ViolenTUK
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.19 03:40:00 -
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I support this idea. I feel that this idea should be implemented with a feature so that you can see all of the characters names since he has been playing the game. I feel that this name change should reflect to a degree how difficult it can be to legitimately change your name in real life in the uk you need to be known by a name for a period of no less than 2 years. This wouldnÆt be practical in eve so a name change should be no more frequent than once every 6 months.
Here is a feature that might bring more interaction to eve. Rather than being able to see all of the characters names the ôShow Infoö for a given character may only show the last name used before the character changed his name. A level 4 agent could be asked to find all aliases known for a character name. The agent could also use an old alias in a search find the current character name. I feel this would be a good feature and would prevent scammers from becoming completely anonymous. We should take care to note that scammers particularly contract scammers use expendable alts, which are scammerÆs main method of hiding his identity.
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GATORAN
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:25:00 -
[177]
I'm sorry I can't support this. Just because there are currently methods for thieves, scammers and spies to circumvent the name problem, buy new characters and the fact that there are other mechanics that are currently being used unintentionally, does *NOT* mean we should implement more ways to do it.
Its simply a poor argument, sorry. :-/
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.20 22:37:00 -
[178]
Originally by: GATORAN
I'm sorry I can't support this. Just because there are currently methods for thieves, scammers and spies to circumvent the name problem, buy new characters and the fact that there are other mechanics that are currently being used unintentionally, does *NOT* mean we should implement more ways to do it.
Its simply a poor argument, sorry. :-/
While I feel that being terrified of scammers is a poor argument against this issue. As is popularly said if you can't afford to lose it don't fly it, if you can't afford to have it stolen don't allow someone else access to it.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:46:00 -
[179]
No. Your reputation is the most valuable asset you can have in Eve.
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Sleepindpro
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:49:00 -
[180]
I say No name change.
But think something along with Titles or Nicknames could be good. I do not know much about FW so forgive me if i seem like a noob. This could well have been suggested already and the example below does seem alot like other MMO's like LOTRO , WOW etc so maybe we shouldnt ask for it?
We could have something like the "Hero of <battle name>" when you have achived a certain number of FW victories or "slayer of <ship type or role>" when you kill X number of ships in FW.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:09:00 -
[181]
Uhh, hell no.
Some of the largest institutions on built on a single intangible asset called trust. Part of this trust goes with the Name of your toon.
This trust factor extends to every facet of the game, and permeates everything we do. From contract sales, to market orders, want to sell forums, secondary markets, Ebank, Alliances, Research services, Corp creation services, etc...
You allow changing of names, and you've pretty much instantly torn down everything that makes EVE, EVE. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:19:00 -
[182]
Originally by: evilphoenix
The majority of the against were worried about being scammed by the same person (IRL) but they just renamed the character using my proposal. The easy counter is, I scam you for 2b. Get on the forums, buy a new character for 1b with an alt. No record of my 'scamming' character ever buying a new character, and I scam you again. Oh, and I can sell my 'scamming' character and give someone else the headache of your 'grief'. All perfectly fine with CCP.
Then some whom are against it strongly believe that a character name means something. Clearly, I do too since I want to pick something else. So if a character name is so important, then why not let me change my character name?
Incorrect.
Let me tell you a story which just recently happend within the secondary market of EVE.
We had a person using a toon called Xabier create an investment opportunity involving capital ships. The plan was vetted, it seemed sound and the amount initially asked for was well within reason for a capital startup program. The investment went through as planned.
Fast forward two months later. Dividends have been paid out on a regular basis and the person wants to expand. The expansion is met with limited resistance and goes through without much hassles.
Fast forward another month. Another dividend has been issued. This time however another person EVN who has a small relation to Xabier wishes to launch a seperate investment opportunity. Long story short, the EVN rode on the coat tail success of Xabier to a multi billion scam, which in turn Xabier ended up walking away with close to 70b because of the trust he had built up.
Now, fast foward 2 weeks after the **** hits the fan. Those of us who care about the secondary market notice that EVN is attempting to offload alts on the character bazar. We also notice that fake transactions of toons have been made to obfuscate toons between accounts. All this is made public, and any reasonable person can likely just search for "Xabier" on eve search and pretty much bring up the entire history.
Now and forever, the names involved in the scams above will forever be tainted. Character sales involving them won't fetch as much, they'll always be a black marked.
Leave the option to changes names, even with a history about them, and you take that away and open the door for more situations of above.
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AngeBlade
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:58:00 -
[183]
This is a good idea. I think some of of the comments against this are stupid. You take this game too serious. Saying you wont make as much to sell a toon or even that more people are going to get ripped off is stupid. I think that if you can get an AKA when you search a name, then this should just be added. Heck its another thing CCP can charge us for. Win win
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:14:00 -
[184]
Originally by: AngeBlade
This is a good idea. I think some of of the comments against this are stupid. You take this game too serious. Saying you wont make as much to sell a toon or even that more people are going to get ripped off is stupid. I think that if you can get an AKA when you search a name, then this should just be added. Heck its another thing CCP can charge us for. Win win
Case in point
We now know you're associated with the alliance Efferus Vehemens Inasnum Latrocinium
The names of those in that alliance are on the line
Their reputation is tied to your reputation
Now imagine if this Toon had been used to scam someone (not saying you have)
Trust and reputations here are a pillar of gameplay within EVE. Names are a big part of that since Character sales can be tracked via the game forums, we can trace when and where names have gone pretty easily now and any other transfers outside of the game forums are a violation of the TOS which can be reported since it often leads to RMT, Scammers, etc..
Even if there is a history of names, it just adds one more layer of obfuscation which dilutes the trust, respect, reputation we have currently.
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Galen Naranek
Royal Navy Industries
CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:46:00 -
[185]
I support this idea, as long as a search on the old character name always brings up the new character.
I'd also suggest that the character's corp CEO (if any) and anyone who might have the character in a buddy list get an EVE-mail informing him of the change.
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Octavio Santillian
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:20:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Octavio Santillian on 02/03/2009 19:24:47
IÆm for this, so long as CCP adds an Aliases tab to the character info window that would list any previous names. Best of both worlds for playersàCCP gets some extra cash. Done!
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AngeBlade
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:10:00 -
[187]
Edited by: AngeBlade on 03/03/2009 23:11:17
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: AngeBlade
This is a good idea. I think some of of the comments against this are stupid. You take this game too serious. Saying you wont make as much to sell a toon or even that more people are going to get ripped off is stupid. I think that if you can get an AKA when you search a name, then this should just be added. Heck its another thing CCP can charge us for. Win win
Case in point
We now know you're associated with the alliance Efferus Vehemens Inasnum Latrocinium
The names of those in that alliance are on the line
Their reputation is tied to your reputation
Now imagine if this Toon had been used to scam someone (not saying you have)
Trust and reputations here are a pillar of gameplay within EVE. Names are a big part of that since Character sales can be tracked via the game forums, we can trace when and where names have gone pretty easily now and any other transfers outside of the game forums are a violation of the TOS which can be reported since it often leads to RMT, Scammers, etc..
Even if there is a history of names, it just adds one more layer of obfuscation which dilutes the trust, respect, reputation we have currently.
Forgive me if I tore into you, but obvious alt is obvious with the scant posting history.
Well hate to break it to you, but i am not an alt. Just because i have a life outside of eve (SHOCK, SURPRISE!!!!) and i dont post on every stupid thread (nice post about golden waffles), doesn't mean im an alt. Nice try. Also, bump for thread. haha
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wicked cheese
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.07 18:40:00 -
[188]
Edited by: wicked cheese on 07/03/2009 18:45:57
sounds like a good idea. although it will make merc work a bit harder. as for scamming, gonna happen either way. seems like a good idea for character buyers.
edit: also giving my support in the fact that angeblade is obviously an alt
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Lilla Kharn
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:00:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 14/04/2009 01:03:18
Agreed. Even if only transferring a character to a different account, I approve of this idea.
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.04.14 04:12:00 -
[190]
Characters are already linked to a number in the database, the charid. Translate this to the character's Capsuleer License ID, in game social security number. THIS NEVER CHANGES FOR THE CHARACTER.
Name can change all you want/afford; right along with the portrait. Surface intel, basic rep can thus be erased. Scammers, thieves, etc will benefit, so the anti-scamming method will have to adapt, start tracking the character's CL ID along with their known aliases.
In the end, it is not up to the players or the CSM to make the decision (beyond walking away from the game and not paying to play). So in order to get it in front of the decision makers, I support the CSM presenting the idea to CCP.
In-Game Browser : http://ldis.caldari-made.net |
evilphoenix
Epic.
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Posted - 2009.07.01 01:42:00 -
[191]
Please consider this CSM.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.07.01 03:13:00 -
[192]
As long as there is a public name history I would be all for this.
When I first started EVE I figured I'd play it for three months and quit like I did with every other MMO, so I didn't put much thought into naming any of my characters. Now that I'll probably play this game until they unplug it, I wish I could get one name change on my characters to better fit who they are and what they've become.
So with the 'public name history' caveat, I support this.
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XHolyAvengerX
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Posted - 2009.07.01 03:52:00 -
[193]
Assuming there's an aka, supported.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.01 15:48:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Kaylan Jahlar on 01/07/2009 15:49:48
Originally by: Treelox
no
to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts.
Why make their task of hiding even easier?
Characters have a character ID. When you block a player, the game adds its CharacterID in your block list, not the name. Therefore, even if someone changes his name, he/she would still be blocked afterwards because the CharacterID didn't change.
Also, I seriously doubt that scammers would be willing to repetitively pay the 20$ fee (or whatever the rename fee would be) just to change their name everytime someone reports them for scamming.
I would really want this myself, as long as changing someone's name has some restrictions. For example, you shouldn't be able to do it on the same character more than once every month or so (maybe even more). You would also have to be in a NPC corp (just like character transfers, for the same reasons).
This would especially be useful to all the newbies that didn't know they could use spaces and proper case in their character name, and have names like "ipodalot666".
I really don't see any good reason why this shouldn't be possible for a fee.
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Nullshadow
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.07.01 17:19:00 -
[195]
I have not read through the whole thread, but one limitation to name changing I have considered suggesting would be that the name "change" would tie up a second character slot. Rather than changing your name, you get to create a new character and permanently link the two character slots together. When you log in, you can use either character slot, and that's the name and portrait that you use during that session. The other name would show as part of the Character Info tab, and since all of the information is based off of the database ID of your original character all standings and history would remain unchanged. Biomassing either character slot would wipe out both.
Essentially rather than an actual name change you would be paying "CONCORD" for an official alias / "doing business as" name.
I would use this service, even with the penalty I suggest. In fact I would prefer it over just a name change in some ways, as I would be able to fly in combat with a callsign and RP with a regular name.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.07.01 17:33:00 -
[196]
No. Not supported.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Da'Than
Interstellar Military Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.01 18:10:00 -
[197]
Supported, but bring in a name history and a time limit between to changes (6 months, one year or so).
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Ninja Jones
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Posted - 2009.07.01 18:22:00 -
[198]
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.07.01 18:22:00 -
[199]
try to speak out my last name in english properly
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JcJet
Tungus Revolt
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Posted - 2009.07.01 21:26:00 -
[200]
Edited by: JcJet on 01/07/2009 21:26:47
Alright.
Just because i don't like name of one of my alts...
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Victor Michaelle
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Posted - 2009.07.02 18:21:00 -
[201]
If people already take the time to keep track of charachter exchanges in forums, then what's a few extra clicks before important deals to see previous names? Seems rather easy in comparison, unless maybe you need to do it on a large number of people.
Might be a point in making the information about previous names as easily accessable as possible.
For example:
You would have your new name on overviews, channels, local etc, but if someone clicks "show info" on you the list of previous names is visible in smaller text directly under your name right there on the fron page. Only one click required that way. A namechange cooldown of, say 6 months, should help in keeping that list short.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity
Event Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.07.02 22:17:00 -
[202]
Yup. Don't see a problem here. All the agruements that have been raised against this are basically: "oh no, I've gotten so used to the 'tools' available for me to make assumptions about people that I don't want this". In other words: moot.
/Support
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.03 00:06:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Fille Balle
Yup. Don't see a problem here. All the agruements that have been raised against this are basically: "oh no, I've gotten so used to the 'tools' available for me to make assumptions about people that I don't want this". In other words: moot.
/Support
LOL! Exactly. Other games (such as World of Warcraft) have this service, and it never caused any problems. You can't do it more than once a month and it costs 20 or 40$ I can't remember. Either way, all of the arguments against this proposal are unfounded and unjustified, so I really hope CCP considers it regardless.
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Diakono
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:35:00 -
[204]
I like this idea a lot! I personally had the bad luck to select name having 'D' for first character without knowing how the primary targets are called in this game.
I hate to be usually the 2nd or 3rd primary - people with names from the first half of the alphabet tend to die much often or are forced to flee the battle than the other half.
This is not fair and kills the fun. You carry the bad luck of selected name starting with 'A-F' for the entire life time of the character.
I would suggest that you should be able to change your name once per 3 years. Such a long period for certian wouldn't affect the EVE world integrity in any extend.
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Evelina Sol
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Posted - 2009.07.05 04:27:00 -
[205]
The "call primary" problem sounds olike something that wouldn't actually be solved by this, though. The problem there isn't with the name, but with whatever it is that makes the alphabetical order matter.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.05 07:28:00 -
[206]
Supported, just put a page in character info the same as employment history, "Alias History" or some such so everyone knows your old identities, it would be logical, reasonable, prevent scamming.
And to keep from overloading the server, maybe limit accounts to one name change every few months?
That said, I support the idea.
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Mars Balearicus
Cookies Cake and Pie
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Posted - 2009.07.06 14:31:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Mars Balearicus on 06/07/2009 14:30:59
/support - on a very limited basis (ie. change name once a year or lifetime)
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Syringe
R.E.C.O.N.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:52:00 -
[208]
Absolutely not supported.
One of the greatest things about EVE is that consequences follow you wherever you go. It's what separates EVE from everything else. Accountability. If you buy a character without looking up that toon's reputation, then who's fault is that? Yup. Yours. No rez - no reroll - nothin.
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Mac Maniac
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:34:00 -
[209]
No
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A Sinner
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:05:00 -
[210]
When I started playing EVE a few years ago I chose the nickname that you see here, A Sinner, because Sinner is the nickname I used in all the games I played and I badly wanted to have it here as well. The current owner of Sinner is an alt of an most likely inactive player from the beta which makes me really sad. But the most dissapointing thing is that when I went through Aura's tutorial is that I wasn't told about the fact that it is VERY IMPORTANT how a player should choose his nickname. And here I am of course reffering to the FC's habbit of calling primaries by name in fleet battles. I am primary most of the time and it spoils my enjoyment of the game since I am dead in the first 30 seconds of the battle and missing all the action/killmails. I am loosing a lot of isk this way and I think its not fair to me and other players in my situation. I should have been informed about this at the beginning when it wasn't too late to create a new char.
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JaxxFunk
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.01 23:35:00 -
[211]
Edited by: JaxxFunk on 01/08/2009 23:37:27
+Support
Would be easy to implement - just allow only one name change per 12months or something and charge a fee
Edit: Not that I want to change my name, but i don't see why you shouldn't be able to. It could even be once per character lifetime as someone previously mentioned. Or when a character changes hands etc.
You aint seen me...right |
bjtardiff
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Posted - 2009.08.02 00:26:00 -
[212]
It makes sense for people like myself who were idoits or were not sure if they were gonna play the game when they started.
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SolarKnight
Gallente
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.08.02 02:38:00 -
[213]
Hell no!
Character name is THE single most important choice you make when you create a character, right at the start of the game.
EVE is a dark, harsh game, its about consequences for all the actions you perform and decisions you make in game.
Now, case in point, think back to when you started the game, the first time you left the safety of empire, you were happily exploring, ratting or mining, then along comes a pirate and makes that ship you worked so hard for explode.
If you do not quit the game in frustration, chances are you are going to want to hunt this guy down and kill him later on, when you are stronger, this lust for revenge drives a lot of new players to keep playing.
I have heard plenty of tales of how people have caught up with people who podded them in the past and killed them.
So fast forward to now, for arguements sake, name changes come in next year, hundreds of new players will likely go out exploring into low sec, and will get podded. But since the bad guys can now so easily change their name, the new guys will never manage to get their revenge.
Its just a little food for thought, just because you don't like your name in game, doesn't mean the end of the world, sure starting again is not an easy decision, but the option is there, you are free to make another character at anytime.
Think about every side of the story before you jump in and demand change.
The Light in the Darkness
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Saturo Matare
Capax Infiniti
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Posted - 2009.08.02 04:15:00 -
[214]
Big yes.
Solution for all the problems is simple - you have an employment history tab - ADD an NAME CHANGE HISTORY tab and all problems are gone.
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Kasity
General Mayhem Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 07:20:00 -
[215]
Yes. But, Things would need to be done to prevent it being exploited. And many of these methods are already in place
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Gnosis19
Caldari
Ichizoku
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Posted - 2009.08.04 09:35:00 -
[216]
With re: to corp references, you could always have the employment history and name history in same window, so:
On left column, corps with timeline
On right column, names with timeline
So you would see where the names and corps crossed over (and also be able to see more easily with a timeline how long the guy stays in corps and keeps names).
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CEO, ICHIZOKU
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:03:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Awesome Possum on 05/08/2009 02:03:48
Originally by: Psychotic Penguin
while I have an awesome name it doesn't really fit when I want to RP
and yea there should just be a history like corp history.
Actually.... ;D
However, I agree with OP. I've been looking into buying a character, but all the names just make me /emo. Please allow me the ability to change the name of xXAmarrPVPerXx to something that doesn't make me want to kick a puppy.
edit: forgot to support
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Wreck Disposal Services |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.08.05 02:10:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Awesome Possum
However, I agree with OP. I've been looking into buying a character, but all the names just make me /emo. Please allow me the ability to change the name of xXAmarrPVPerXx to something that doesn't make me want to kick a puppy.
but kicking puppies is fun!
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CruiserMk2
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:41:00 -
[219]
Yes, once in a year (or lifetime), maybe with some payment in real money, and history of changes.
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Miyamoto Uroki
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:25:00 -
[220]
No. Don't be a dumbass and chose your characters name wisely upfront at creation.
Maybe some more drastic hints from CCP at character creation screen that you REALLY will have to live with your characters name all the upcoming years of eve...
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the plague
Scoopex
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:08:00 -
[221]
Perhaps CCP would consider doing this on a one-time basis in conjunction with an upcoming expansion. After that you're stuck with it. And of course there would be a fee similar to a portrait swap.
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Suzie Flaubert
Eve University
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Posted - 2009.09.02 10:39:00 -
[222]
/supported
Though maybe just in a 6 month grace period for new players.
I originally set-up my character with little knowledge of how I would be playing the game.
I thought I'd be more interested in some RP side of things. I'm not.
I'm now left with a name that makes me cringe each time it gets used as a call sign...
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Psi Klone
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Posted - 2009.09.02 22:15:00 -
[223]
I support this idea IF there is a log of all name changes, just like the current employment history that every pilot has. This would eliminate the problem of scammers just changing there name and disappearing while still allowing honest players to modify their name to something that suits either the pilot or themselves more.
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Mattk50
House Maadiah
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Posted - 2009.09.03 03:10:00 -
[224]
yes plz
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Fdux
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Posted - 2009.09.06 10:22:00 -
[225]
This proposal has been discussed since November (ten months ago), so I gather that every argument has been well and thoroughly chewed over. If character trading is an entrenched part of the game, then the change of character name and picture should be mandatory. You should not be able to buy another's reputation or history. As for changes to your main character I support a once only, up to six months into the game.
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Sean Thendt
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Posted - 2009.09.08 19:24:00 -
[226]
I can't believe the people against this idea.
In fact, I believe that when you buy a character, changing the name and portrait should be mandatory.
As soon as you buy a character, I think CCP should force a name change and a new portrait.
I don't believe you should be able to change your name if you aren't selling, unless it is fairly soon after you created it. Have a "cooling off" period during which you can correct a horrid naming mistake, but otherwise only for sales.
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Skandrannon22
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Posted - 2009.09.08 19:59:00 -
[227]
I think it's fine as long as you can only do it once a year, and, there would have to be something on your profile that listed all known aliases.
-Skan
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.09.09 08:20:00 -
[228]
No to name changes.
For one, tracking scammers, corp thieves and the like as well as intel on wartargets would become more of a hassle.
Second, the fact that you can not change the name of bought character is a way to reduce the number of people which are RL rich and want to buy their way in. It's a needed drawback for character buying.
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Helle Acoma
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Posted - 2009.09.10 04:54:00 -
[229]
Im up for this; once it showed previous names in a tab - like the employment history tab
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Trazis
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Posted - 2009.09.24 06:38:00 -
[230]
Supported to an extent
Make it like neural remap where it can only be done once a year.
-this allows people to change their name without letting scammers hide effectively.
-if scammers are gonna scam its gonna be on an alt their gonna scam on freakin alts people not their bloody main.
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Kuuijn
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.24 10:13:00 -
[231]
I support this proposal but it should be a once only thing. That way it supports people who hate their name but doesn't allow scammers and pirates to slink off into anonymity.
There should also be some way - either in game or on this site - to see whose name has been changed.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.24 10:54:00 -
[232]
While I can fully understand that a person with the name evilphoenix wants a name change * grins * I am not in support of this idea.
In eve, you are who you know and you are identified not just by your character, but by your name. I know some people change characters every 14 days, but most of us stay with our mains - and their names - for the rest of our Eve lives.
Live with it.
Amanda Wilkins
CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish
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Vrasna
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Posted - 2009.10.16 04:56:00 -
[233]
Edited by: Vrasna on 16/10/2009 04:59:10
I support this. I'd love to be able to change my characters name at least once. If we can change our characters appearance at a one time cost, I think we should be able to do the same with the names, perhaps also at a cost?
Plus, Trial accounts? What if it was your very first time playing EVE? A lot of people don't put effort into naming characters they might not want to use forever. I sure didn't. But now this char is 6+ months old, and I regret the lack of foresight into name creation.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.10.16 10:25:00 -
[234]
Yes please
The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
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shuckstar
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:40:00 -
[235]
You are going to fast! Wait five minutes and try again. |
Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.10.16 14:47:00 -
[236]
Supported...and yes you can always have a log of changed names for the paranoid ones :)
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Mr DurkaDur
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Posted - 2009.10.19 04:20:00 -
[237]
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.19 04:34:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Saturo Matare
Big yes.
Solution for all the problems is simple - you have an employment history tab - ADD an NAME CHANGE HISTORY tab and all problems are gone.
a dude called corstaad ganked me two years ago when i first started playing eve. i remember this, and if he ever arrived in the same system as me i would dock up.
you propose to give him the option to change his name, so i dont know when he arrives in system. im hardly going to go though the ID page of all 100 names in a caldari system before i start mining there.
name changes are ******ed. not supported.
the Luminare titan: lets pop that *****!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175042&page=1 |
gpfwestie
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.20 11:40:00 -
[239]
God yes please, I hate my Characters name, I had no idea what I was doing when I signed up, no idea you couldn't change the name later.
I keep petitioning to get it changed, but the answer is always the same.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:11:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/10/2009 15:12:17
No.
When you buy a character, you also buy the reputation.
It's part of the cost of taking a short-cut.
Quote:
FC's cannot pronounce gpfwestie (try it, it's nonsense, not even a word).
At least you won't be primaried
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:25:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/10/2009 15:12:17
No.
When you buy a character, you also buy the reputation.
It's part of the cost of taking a short-cut.
Quote:
FC's cannot pronounce gpfwestie (try it, it's nonsense, not even a word).
At least you won't be primaried
Right click -> Tag ('A')
"Primary Target A as in asshat"
--Vel
In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d. |
ZigZag Joe
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.21 02:20:00 -
[242]
Only if it's a once per account thing, for pay, and your prior name remains a matter of public record (tied to the new name). Searches for the old name would bring up the current name even if it has no bearing on the current name.
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Facial Anomaly
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Posted - 2009.10.21 08:46:00 -
[243]
Totally support the functionality.
I write enterprise-scale business software, character records should be referenced by a unique ID and name should NOT be that ID (even though they probably made that decision in 2003 and that's why we can't do it easily). Then this change would have been 3 seconds. Buddy lists would automatically work and so would anything that that character owned.
I actually wanted to change a character name just last night. As I wasn't happy with my original choice. Nothing more nothing less.
Would have paid $10 to do it.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2009.10.21 09:26:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Arri Gato
If the old name and new name points to the same character on a search, and also clearly states the former name in the character info, then I support it.
This. Shouldn't be a problem from a technical standpoint. You could even have the old name appear in the in-game information on the character. Like "Melor Rend, also know as Blabla".
Should not be a problem to change ones call-sign from an RP standpoint either.
Would be great if CCP would give us this option! I would be willing to pay anything up to 200 US dollars for a name change on one of my characters. No, seriously. I'd pay that tomorrow morning without thinking twice about it if I could!
Pls give us this option dearest Devs!
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MS5
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Posted - 2009.10.21 11:30:00 -
[245]
/Supporting a one time only name change for each character,
but old name is easily viewable in corp history or something similar.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
Icarus Prime
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:16:00 -
[246]
Not Signed. BUT.... I think that CCP should implement a relatively simple change to the naming of Eve's characters:
1. You get a true name, which is the name you currently assign to a character when you create it. That is fixed and cannot be changed. However, it is not visible on the overview any more.
2. You get aliases or nick names. This is what is visible on the overview and you can change it any time you like.
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Kurunto
Wormhole Organized Reconnaissance Movement
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Posted - 2010.01.12 23:14:00 -
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I support this as I just don't like my name anymore. Three years ago I thought it was a nice name, now I really don't like it at all. I'm fine with changing it once only or once in 1-2 years.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.01.13 05:14:00 -
[248]
Officially not supporting this year old piece of failure. Eve allows you to have multiple characters on your account and unlike other MMO's it isn't to experience part of the game one of them cannot due to their race/class etc as any character can train any skill in EVE. That makes people run around in alts doing all the things they don't want associated with their 'real' character/corp changing names would make that worse.
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