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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.09.04 00:17:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kara Books wrote:They cant profit from their shiny new BPO's they cant whoopsie from some ones corp hanger now can they. Remove the ability to lock down BPOs and everyone's manufacturing alt will be in a one man corp. Industrial "Corps" will simply be chat channels. CEO's who want to help their newer industrialists by providing access to spare BPOs won't be able to do so. Sounds like a grand improvement. (Oh, and not everyone locks down their expensive BPO collection.)
Im glad we can agree on something.
Oh and, Why again are these CEO's Teaching "Newer Industrialists" how to make T2 items NOT from invention? I could have swore some one said that was more profitable.
Unlocking Blueprints just makes the Original owner, not collect passive ISK while their watching a "LazyTown Marathon" thats quite possibly another form of Passive ISK. |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.04 00:20:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Kara Books wrote:They cant profit from their shiny new BPO's they cant whoopsie from some ones corp hanger now can they. Remove the ability to lock down BPOs and everyone's manufacturing alt will be in a one man corp. Industrial "Corps" will simply be chat channels. CEO's who want to help their newer industrialists by providing access to spare BPOs won't be able to do so. Sounds like a grand improvement. (Oh, and not everyone locks down their expensive BPO collection.) Im glad we can agree on something. Oh and, Why again are these CEO's Teaching "Newer Industrialists" how to make T2 items NOT from invention? I could have swore some one said that was more profitable. Unlocking Blueprints just makes the Original owner, not collect passive ISK while their watching a "LazyTown Marathon" thats quite possibly another form of Passive ISK.
So, you're proposing that only T2 BPOs can't be locked down? That's kind of an odd distinction, isn't it?
Invention is less profitable per unit, but much more lucrative due to the much higher volumes you can produce. For any given amount of capital, you can make much, much, much more ISK through Invention than you can through T2 BPOs. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
120
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Posted - 2012.09.04 00:24:00 -
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Dam straight T2BPO owners should be driven into one man corps if they want to play with CCP isk welfare. Then they can be war dec'd on a daily basis so people can smash **** out of their posses.
CCP remove T2BPO let eve grow. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2012.09.04 00:29:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Dam straight T2BPO owners should be driven into one man corps if they want to play with CCP isk welfare. Then they can be war dec'd on a daily basis so people can smash **** out of their posses.
CCP remove T2BPO let eve grow.
Removing them without fixing the -4/-4 normal invention doesn't fix the problem. You will just drive cost up on everyone, minus the Alliances and they how corner certain markets. CCP would have to make invent BPC's somehow researchable, and that would have to be able to done by anyone and any security system.
Pick which side of the coin you want? Alliances running BPO's or running invention folks to the rules they make.
They have the capital to screw either side of the coin. CCP will not remove that... |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.04 00:38:00 -
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Vigilant wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Dam straight T2BPO owners should be driven into one man corps if they want to play with CCP isk welfare. Then they can be war dec'd on a daily basis so people can smash **** out of their posses.
CCP remove T2BPO let eve grow. Removing them without fixing the -4/-4 normal invention doesn't fix the problem. You will just drive cost up on everyone, minus the Alliances and they how corner certain markets. CCP would have to make invent BPC's somehow researchable, and that would have to be able to done by anyone and any security system. Pick which side of the coin you want? Alliances running BPO's or running invention folks to the rules they make. They have the capital to screw either side of the coin. CCP will not remove that...
BPO's do not affect the sale price of most T2 items. The only T2 items that BPOs affect are ones who's sales volumes are so low that the BPOs can actually fill the demand (which means, like BLOPS [which have no BPOs], they wouldn't be worth inventing anyway).
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Dam straight T2BPO owners should be driven into one man corps if they want to play with CCP isk welfare. Then they can be war dec'd on a daily basis so people can smash **** out of their posses.
CCP remove T2BPO let eve grow.
You can wardec the corps with T2 BPOs now. Nothing's stopping you.
Show how an item that is regularly available on the market, that has a horrible ROI, and that cannot be easily shifted in the face of changing market conditions is "CCP ISK Welfare." EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
120
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:07:00 -
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Horrible ROI for new players. Astronomical ROI for players who were gifted them. Can you please stop making out that T2BPO's somehow cost their owners massive amounts of effort or isk as it's simply not the case. If it did take massive amounts of effort or ISK then T2BPO would not be a problem. Unfortunately T2BPO is a problem and a huge flaw in EVE that needs solved if the game is to grow.
Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

Skeenal Raholan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:33:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Horrible ROI for new players. Astronomical ROI for players who were gifted them. Can you please stop making out that T2BPO's somehow cost their owners massive amounts of effort or isk as it's simply not the case. If it did take massive amounts of effort or ISK then T2BPO would not be a problem. Unfortunately T2BPO is a problem and a huge flaw in EVE that needs solved if the game is to grow.
Curious question would be, how many owners of the so called gifted t2bpo's still have possession of the t2bpo they WON in the rp lottery (over 5 years ago). I would guess very few if any.
If it were me who won (using the scimi for example) the t2bpo 5 YRS ago, i would have long ago sold it for the 600 bil. and paid for my accounts for the rest of my eve carrier. As i would assume ANY person would do. So thinking on that aspect of it, t2bpo's have a HUGE investment in the terms of isk, I could easily have made more money in the 5 yrs after selling the t2bpo inventing the same scimi's then you would have ever made with the t2bpo. So No, t2bpos are not a problem. |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:50:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Horrible ROI for new players. Astronomical ROI for players who were gifted them. Can you please stop making out that T2BPO's somehow cost their owners massive amounts of effort or isk as it's simply not the case. If it did take massive amounts of effort or ISK then T2BPO would not be a problem. Unfortunately T2BPO is a problem and a huge flaw in EVE that needs solved if the game is to grow.
You still clearly don't understand the concept of opportunity cost. Nor the concept of a time value of money.
Unless you are claiming that T2 BPO owners have access to time machines, the value of the BPO today and the value of the BPO 5 years ago are not interchangeable.
And getting yourself in a position where winning the lottery with a worthwhile BPO was at all likely was a pretty monumental effort at the time.
Again you claim that the game won't grow due to T2 BPOs. That's demonstrably false. The current subcount is roughly double what it was when the lottery ended 5 years ago. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:06:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Can you please stop making out that T2BPO's somehow cost their owners massive amounts of effort or isk as it's simply not the case
calm down little warrior, the huge majority of T2 BPO`s beeing used right now, did cost their owner a massive amount of isk OR they are the original owners and were smart and lucky enough to invest their RP to the right time into the right thing (like me ).
This has absolutely nothing to do with with beeing "gifted" and even you probably know that. Its not a donation if you hand something out that the oposite has paid for (in form of a lottery ticket for exmaple).
Just try to understand what Lottery means: |

Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:47:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Can you please stop making out that T2BPO's somehow cost their owners massive amounts of effort or isk as it's simply not the case calm down little warrior, the huge majority of T2 BPO`s beeing used right now, did cost their owner a massive amount of isk OR they are the original owners and were smart and lucky enough to invest their RP to the right time into the right thing (like me  ). This has absolutely nothing to do with with beeing "gifted" and even you probably know that. Its not a donation if you hand something out that the oposite has paid for (in form of a lottery ticket for exmaple). Just try to understand what Lottery means:
And everyone also knows that some parts of the lottery was fixed which means some person where gifted with t2 bpos. Most of them where in BoB back then which was the power house of that era in eve. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:48:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:This has absolutely nothing to do with with beeing "gifted" and even you probably know that. Its not a donation if you hand something out that the oposite has paid for (in form of a lottery ticket for exmaple).
How much effort it required from you after you had that research job set up? None. It was, it is and always will be passive income. |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:57:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Can you please stop making out that T2BPO's somehow cost their owners massive amounts of effort or isk as it's simply not the case calm down little warrior, the huge majority of T2 BPO`s beeing used right now, did cost their owner a massive amount of isk OR they are the original owners and were smart and lucky enough to invest their RP to the right time into the right thing (like me  ). This has absolutely nothing to do with with beeing "gifted" and even you probably know that. Its not a donation if you hand something out that the oposite has paid for (in form of a lottery ticket for exmaple). Just try to understand what Lottery means: And everyone also knows that some parts of the lottery was fixed which means some person where gifted with t2 bpos. Most of them where in BoB back then which was the power house of that era in eve.
Got any evidence that any BPOs that were unfairly given out are still in the game?
The BPOs involved in the T20 mess were removed more than 5 years ago. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:00:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:
And everyone also knows that some parts of the lottery was fixed which means some person where gifted with t2 bpos. Most of them where in BoB back then which was the power house of that era in eve.
yea like 5 of thousands... or less than 1 % and even these got removed long time ago, but totally worth mentioning it over and over agian if u have other valid points again T2 BPO`s right?
Jorma Morkkis wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:This has absolutely nothing to do with with beeing "gifted" and even you probably know that. Its not a donation if you hand something out that the oposite has paid for (in form of a lottery ticket for exmaple). How much effort it required from you after you had that research job set up? None. It was, it is and always will be passive income.
research agents worked different back then u might wana look it up and it actually did cost isk and effort to create a char farm just for this lottery. Obviously looking back to it from today the invested isk was marginal compared to what T2 BPO`s are worth now, but back then it was certainly a risky investion. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:41:00 -
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What does WWII tank has to do with EVE?
And no, lottery hasn't changed in last 5 years. |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:11:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:What does WWII tank has to do with EVE?
Stop trolling.
Quote: And no, lottery hasn't changed in last 5 years.
Jorma Morkkis: "Removing something isn't a change." EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Removing something isn't a change.
It's a change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery |

Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:30:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:What does WWII tank has to do with EVE? Stop trolling. Quote: And no, lottery hasn't changed in last 5 years.
Jorma Morkkis: "Removing something isn't a change." It's a change. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery
Selective quoting just makes you look dumber.
At this point I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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ISD BiscuitThief
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:08:00 -
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There's a lot of really useful information in this thread, but there's also a lot of misinformation and trolling going on.
I'd prefer not to go through 52 pages and remove every single troll post and I'd rather not press that lock button, so please try to keep it civil and on track from here on. Also, I removed some personal attacks and spam posts which I'm sure were purely accidental. ISD BiscuitThief Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:42:00 -
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ISD BiscuitThief wrote:There's a lot of really useful information in this thread, but there's also a lot of misinformation and trolling going on.
I'd prefer not to go through 52 pages and remove every single troll post and I'd rather not press that lock button, so please try to keep it civil and on track from here on. Also, I removed some personal attacks and spam posts which I'm sure were purely accidental.
We've seen what happens when you lock a T2BPO thread and all parties agree that this one focal point for the discussion is good enough. You could lock it but another one will just be created or maybe 5 others by different people like last time this thread got locked. I regret not putting this thread in the EVE general discussion as it would get a lot more posts there. :) Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

sodney
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:10:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: You could lock it but another one will just be created or maybe 5 others by different people like last time this thread got locked. I regret not putting this thread in the EVE general discussion as it would get a lot more posts there. :)
I cant remember this thread ever beeing locked tbh, but maybe it got locked because it had a equally low discussion-quality as this thread has aswell? If CCP or in this case the ISDs are trying to hide something wich you are accusing them, why wouldnt they just forum-ban you and delete this and all upcoming threads? not the worst idea, if you ask me.
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Tivookz
Black Flag Operations The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:33:00 -
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The people yelling for T2 BPO's should first spend 15 bil buying one.
We, the people who spent hard earned cash on T2 bpo's, don't want our investments to dissapear into thin air.
I didn't win any lottery, I didn't rob anyone. I spent serveral years to buy my T2 BPOs. I dont own many and quite frankly I have yet to earn any money from them.
You need to understand that most T2 BPO's have long production timers and or near zero profit.
Take my Berserker II BPO, it might be valued at around 25 bil give or take but I earn nothing producing them because the profit is zero. |

Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:30:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Azrael Dinn wrote:
And everyone also knows that some parts of the lottery was fixed which means some person where gifted with t2 bpos. Most of them where in BoB back then which was the power house of that era in eve.
yea like 5 of thousands... or less than 1 % and even these got removed long time ago, but totally worth mentioning it over and over agian if u have other valid points again T2 BPO`s right?
It's worth mentioning every single time it is mentioned just so that no one never forgets that someone in CCP *****d *p real bad. And what proof do YOU have that all of those prints where removed? none.
And it's wroth mentioning cause thats the time when people got the things so it's revelant and funny that things that happened 5 years back have still and effect to the game and it's players.
And no I do not have solutions to it. Neither do you. Only thing I have are my opinions which from your point of view sucks and your solutions form my point of view sucks, so no point talking about those.
So mayby something needs to be done about this so the topic would go away once and for all. I'll settle on what ever CCP says as long as they address the matter in some way. And not saying anything is not an answer. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:12:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote: It's worth mentioning every single time it is mentioned just so that no one never forgets that someone in CCP *****d *p real bad. And what proof do YOU have that all of those prints where removed? none.
IT was wrong, yes but its still a game after all, right? the way you and your friend brewlar mentioning it almost sounds like we are tlking about the holocaust. Since the website who found that out defentily wasnt working together with CCP to that point, im sure they would have mentioned it. proof enough for me tbh.
Azrael Dinn wrote: And no I do not have solutions to it. Neither do you. Only thing I have are my opinions which from your point of view sucks and your solutions form my point of view sucks, so no point talking about those.
I dont see a problem that need to be fixed, there for i have never offered a solution for a not existing issue.
Azrael Dinn wrote: So mayby something needs to be done about this so the topic would go away once and for all. I'll settle on what ever CCP says as long as they address the matter in some way..
to achieve that goal you would have to remove envy from of the human nature, wich is the only reason why ppl are complaining at all.
Azrael Dinn wrote: And not saying anything is not an answer.
there has been so much discussion about that topic over the years... but there are just these special snowflakes that dont want to understand, so its understandable that they dont wase their time to explain it over and over again instead of fixing real issues. |

Tivookz
Black Flag Operations The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:28:00 -
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The people yelling for T2 BPO's to be removed should first spend 15 bil buying one, as a future investment.
We, the people who spent hard earned cash on T2 bpo's, don't want our investments to dissapear into thin air.
I didn't win any lottery, I didn't rob anyone. I spent serveral years playing the market, mining and ratting to buy my T2 BPOs. I dont own many and quite frankly I have yet to earn any money from them.
You need to understand that most T2 BPO's have long production timers and or near zero profit.
Take my Berserker II BPO, it might be valued at around 25 bil give or take but I earn nothing producing them because the profit is next to zero compared to how much you need to spend to buy such a BPO.
To give you some numbers to think about:
I can produce 16200 Berserker II's in a year if the BPO is in production 24/7.
Manufacture cost(16200 Runs): 7 795 576 663.43 ISK Manufacture cost one unit: 481 208.44 ISK Minimum sell cost (16200 Runs): 7 951 488 196.70 ISK Minimum sell cost one unit: 490 832.60 ISK Market profit (16200 runs): 571 075 336.57 ISK Market profit one unit: 35 251.56 ISK ISK/h: 65 319.07 ISK Profit %: 7.33%
This is what I spend and earn per YEAR from my Berserker II BPO. 571 mil in profit per year from a 25 bil investment.
If we assume that the value of said BPO is 25 bil then at the current market prices it will take me 43,7 years to earn 25 bil in pure profit from it.
43,7 Earth years. Yes.
Please rethink your reason for creating this plead to remove T2BPOs. |

Korg Tronix
Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:04:00 -
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Tivookz wrote:The people yelling for T2 BPO's to be removed should first spend 15 bil buying one, as a future investment.
We, the people who spent hard earned cash on T2 bpo's, don't want our investments to dissapear into thin air.
I didn't win any lottery, I didn't rob anyone. I spent serveral years playing the market, mining and ratting to buy my T2 BPOs. I dont own many and quite frankly I have yet to earn any money from them.
You need to understand that most T2 BPO's have long production timers and or near zero profit.
Take my Berserker II BPO, it might be valued at around 25 bil give or take but I earn nothing producing them because the profit is next to zero compared to how much you need to spend to buy such a BPO.
To give you some numbers to think about:
I can produce 16200 Berserker II's in a year if the BPO is in production 24/7.
Manufacture cost(16200 Runs): 7 795 576 663.43 ISK Manufacture cost one unit: 481 208.44 ISK Minimum sell cost (16200 Runs): 7 951 488 196.70 ISK Minimum sell cost one unit: 490 832.60 ISK Market profit (16200 runs): 571 075 336.57 ISK Market profit one unit: 35 251.56 ISK ISK/h: 65 319.07 ISK Profit %: 7.33%
This is what I spend and earn per YEAR from my Berserker II BPO. 571 mil in profit per year from a 25 bil investment.
If we assume that the value of said BPO is 25 bil then at the current market prices it will take me 43,7 years to earn 25 bil in pure profit from it.
43,7 Earth years. Yes.
Please rethink your reason for creating this plead to remove T2BPOs.
What i find really funny is i earn more from invented damage controls each month than you do from your bpo in a year
Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:05:00 -
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Tivookz wrote:The people yelling for T2 BPO's to be removed should first spend 15 bil buying one, as a future investment.
We, the people who spent hard earned cash on T2 bpo's, don't want our investments to dissapear into thin air.
I didn't win any lottery, I didn't rob anyone. I spent serveral years playing the market, mining and ratting to buy my T2 BPOs. I dont own many and quite frankly I have yet to earn any money from them.
You need to understand that most T2 BPO's have long production timers and or near zero profit.
Take my Berserker II BPO, it might be valued at around 25 bil give or take but I earn nothing producing them because the profit is next to zero compared to how much you need to spend to buy such a BPO.
To give you some numbers to think about:
I can produce 16200 Berserker II's in a year if the BPO is in production 24/7.
Manufacture cost(16200 Runs): 7 795 576 663.43 ISK Manufacture cost one unit: 481 208.44 ISK Minimum sell cost (16200 Runs): 7 951 488 196.70 ISK Minimum sell cost one unit: 490 832.60 ISK Market profit (16200 runs): 571 075 336.57 ISK Market profit one unit: 35 251.56 ISK ISK/h: 65 319.07 ISK Profit %: 7.33%
This is what I spend and earn per YEAR from my Berserker II BPO. 571 mil in profit per year from a 25 bil investment.
If we assume that the value of said BPO is 25 bil then at the current market prices it will take me 43,7 years to earn 25 bil in pure profit from it.
43,7 Earth years. Yes.
Please rethink your reason for creating this plead to remove T2BPOs.
This is the best argument against removal that has touched this topic to date, very nice, the smalltime Industrialists moving into their bigtime is a warm sight to see, I bet this is exactly how CCP intended this T2 Lottery to Play out, but in fact, its not this pretty 95% of the time.
Far earlier into this subject, I have mentioned several times, that if there is a T2 removal or Massive change to the entire segment, the option to refund owners the estimated amount should be considered and a good long thought should be given before making any changes to the T2 BPO project are to be made, to avoid Volatility and possible catastrophic results to the Market ecosystem are just some "Ingame reasons"
The result CAN aim for More players to be recruited into the CCP 514/EvE project, ample but profitable supply of all goods to be available to the general playerbase and the ability to make anything from scratch all on your own should be an important Tertiary goal, The later half CCP is actually doing a superb job, and very minimal Market interruption is being incurred.
10/10 excellent job.
But all games Aside, this is my main reason Why im here, fighting for this "Option" and is my response to your compelling argument.
Several months ago we began to see a drop in New blood entering the game, CCP responded with a solid decision to Protect newbies for at-least a few days while they learn to control their ships, how to scan and most importantly so they can focus on making their first friends in the game in hopes of retaining these new customers long enough to for them to see just how unique and incredible this game really is at its very heart once they actually head out and run into the likes of me on the forums or you on the Niarja gate as some random examples.
If CCP, where to make a strong push, which they likely will with DUST514, players can flood the eve servers by the tens of thousands and retaining them longer then 6 months could mean actually doing whatever needs be done to really hook them, and you,(large scale) T2 BPO holders, may actually want to consider this a viable tradeoff.
like most if not all of the posters here on this topic, Removal, Modification or otherwise Giving them something very special is a Legitimate option within options we CANNOT ignore and I believe CCP has is closely following this topic because they already understand exactly that, its in yours, mines and their best interests to Nab as many new players into this game as possible and retain them for (hopefully) years.
This is one of these subjects that CCP can use to gain and retain a stronger and solid player base in the case they decide to pursue a very certain type of advertisement campaign but only if certain circumstances and accurances actually take place. |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
121
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:17:00 -
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CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

sodney
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:28:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more.
Or eve will grow and live like it did the past 7 years aswell with T2 BPO`s as they are 
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
394
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:51:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. So does this mean you are quitting? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.09.04 21:31:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more.
I suspended 13 accounts and have not played EVE for 3+ months, and my 25 T2BPOs are taking dust unproducing. for 2 reasons :
- Diablo 3 (basic and fun, no headaches, no spreadsheets) - Sheer amount of bad faith and stupidity from bitter complainers who don't understand the basics of the game and spend their time giving advices that nobody asked for.
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á BUT NOT ATM :)-á-á-á --- |
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