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shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:03:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more.
you said that every new player will quit as soon he will hear about t2 BPO`s. I think you heard about them and are apparently a new player, so why are you still playing the game?
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
122
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:14:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. you said that every new player will quit as soon he will hear about t2 BPO`s. I think you heard about them and are apparently a new player, so why are you still playing the game?
I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item.
I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

Pipa Porto
865
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Posted - 2012.09.04 22:55:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item.
I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game.
1. Most T2 items have demands that far outstrip the capacity of their BPOs.
2. So you want CCP to remove T2 BPOs from some items, but add them for others? What kind of strawman are you building up to now?
3. Ah. There's the straw filled payoff. Something not being a problem does not mean that adding more of that something is a good idea.
4. You still don't seem to understand the concept of a lottery.
The existence and use of T2 BPOs don't cause any significant economic problems for inventors. Do you have any evidence to suggest otherwise (or evidence of the existence of a time machine)? Do you have any evidence to support your bizarre claim that T2 BPOs drive new players away from the game? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2012.09.05 03:03:00 -
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I think a system could work where invention would be "newb" T2 production with low barrier to entry and then vets would be able to buy expensive T2 BPOs from NPCs just like any other BPO is available from NPCs. The prices on them could be relatively high compared to build cost.
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Katerwaul
The Scope Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.09.05 03:46:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Hello,
I posted in the morning when the world was begun I posted from the Moons and the stars and the Suns I came down from Heaven and I danced on the Earth At Caldari Institute 5 moon 3 I had my birth:
I posted for the bitter vets and the Devs of CCP But they would not post back and they wouldn't follow me I posted for the noobs and for the good Kugu They came with me and the thread went on:
Post, post, wherever you may be I am the lord of the T2BPO whine thread, said he And I lead you all, wherever you may be And I lead you all in the thread, said he
I posted on a Friday when the world turned black It's hard to find time to post with invention on your back They buried my thread, they thought it was gone But this is a thread that will never ever die and so the posts go on!
They cut me down and I leapt up high I am the life that will never, never die I'll whine with you if you'll whine with me I am the Lord of the T2BPO whine thread.
End T2BPO it was unfair then it's unfair now and detrimental to the game.
It now feels more like a support group and less like an eight-ball of pent up angst waiting for some twitchy newb to find it and become addicted to the disquieting cry of "It's not FAIR".
As long as we can agree that this is the T2BPO whining thread I suppose I can't argue with you. Working with everyone to improve New Eden -- Internet Spaceships Iz Serious Business. |

Pipa Porto
866
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Posted - 2012.09.05 08:51:00 -
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Traedar wrote:I think a system could work where invention would be "newb" T2 production with low barrier to entry and then vets would be able to buy expensive T2 BPOs from NPCs just like any other BPO is available from NPCs. The prices on them could be relatively high compared to build cost.
That would be fine until T2 BPOs reached the saturation point, then the bottom would fall out from invention.
Look at the Supercap and Titan BPC markets. A Titan BPC used to sell for about 20b so everyone and their brother who could afford to bought Titan BPOs for copying and now they sell for ~4b. The decline happened effectively overnight as the number of BPCs available reached and exceeded the demand for them.
Seed unlimited new T2 BPOs and people will buy them and knock the bottom out of the Invention market. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Tivookz
Black Flag Operations The Kadeshi
31
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Posted - 2012.09.05 10:29:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Tivookz wrote:The people yelling for T2 BPO's to be removed should first spend 15 bil buying one, as a future investment.
We, the people who spent hard earned cash on T2 bpo's, don't want our investments to dissapear into thin air.
I didn't win any lottery, I didn't rob anyone. I spent serveral years playing the market, mining and ratting to buy my T2 BPOs. I dont own many and quite frankly I have yet to earn any money from them.
You need to understand that most T2 BPO's have long production timers and or near zero profit.
Take my Berserker II BPO, it might be valued at around 25 bil give or take but I earn nothing producing them because the profit is next to zero compared to how much you need to spend to buy such a BPO.
To give you some numbers to think about:
I can produce 16200 Berserker II's in a year if the BPO is in production 24/7.
Manufacture cost(16200 Runs): 7 795 576 663.43 ISK Manufacture cost one unit: 481 208.44 ISK Minimum sell cost (16200 Runs): 7 951 488 196.70 ISK Minimum sell cost one unit: 490 832.60 ISK Market profit (16200 runs): 571 075 336.57 ISK Market profit one unit: 35 251.56 ISK ISK/h: 65 319.07 ISK Profit %: 7.33%
This is what I spend and earn per YEAR from my Berserker II BPO. 571 mil in profit per year from a 25 bil investment.
If we assume that the value of said BPO is 25 bil then at the current market prices it will take me 43,7 years to earn 25 bil in pure profit from it.
43,7 Earth years. Yes.
Please rethink your reason for creating this plead to remove T2BPOs. What i find really funny is i earn more from invented damage controls each month than you do from your bpo in a year
Yes. You see, T2BPO's only appear to be game breaking.. often its quite the contrary.
T2 BPO's don't need to be removed because they are not a problem. |

Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
394
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Posted - 2012.09.05 11:53:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. you said that every new player will quit as soon he will hear about t2 BPO`s. I think you heard about them and are apparently a new player, so why are you still playing the game? I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item. I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game. If you choose not to engage in the activity, then why do you care to comment on it? What gives you any weight to your opinion if you do not do it? That's like me commenting on faction warfare and how unfair it is, which I have chosen not to engage in. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
200
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Posted - 2012.09.05 13:07:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. you said that every new player will quit as soon he will hear about t2 BPO`s. I think you heard about them and are apparently a new player, so why are you still playing the game? I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item. I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game. If you choose not to engage in the activity, then why do you care to comment on it? What gives you any weight to your opinion if you do not do it? That's like me commenting on faction warfare and how unfair it is, which I have chosen not to engage in.  My theory is that you like the attention, good or bad. That's why after three months of no one posting in this thread you go and copy it on another forum and link it back here. I mean as you said earlier, if you posted it in the general forum you would have got a lot more posts. That's what matters right? Not your poorly informed, logic defficient arguments - its all about the attention and post count.
because we would like to but on fair terms, [we] the 99%
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shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.05 13:40:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Zifrian wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP will tire of noobie industrialist players leaving the game when they find out about T2BPO and will eventual stem the blood flow that is pissing out of the eve economy and player base. It may take many years and eve might slip further down the ladder but eventual they will fix the problem, If they don't eve will die and it won't matter any more. you said that every new player will quit as soon he will hear about t2 BPO`s. I think you heard about them and are apparently a new player, so why are you still playing the game? I was looking forward to doing T2 industry and even though select t2 fields are open to noobs where demand surpasses T2BPO production numbers I choose not to engage in the activity. I don't see why I should be offered the scraps while CCP has selected a player to have first pickings and a monopoly over that item. I do however produce T2 rigs and other items where CCP has not given a chosen player the ability to out perform noobs. Yet I still hope CCP introduces BPO's for rigs and for T3. As all of you lot are saying T2BPO's don't harm the game what so ever and are all round amazing so please CCP seed T3 BPO's and rig BPO's because as you can see they are great just ask idiots such as shar'ra matcevsovski . She'll explain why gifted BPO's are great for the game. If you choose not to engage in the activity, then why do you care to comment on it? What gives you any weight to your opinion if you do not do it? That's like me commenting on faction warfare and how unfair it is, which I have chosen not to engage in.  My theory is that you like the attention, good or bad. That's why after three months of no one posting in this thread you go and copy it on another forum and link it back here. I mean as you said earlier, if you posted it in the general forum you would have got a lot more posts. That's what matters right? Not your poorly informed, logic defficient arguments - its all about the attention and post count. because we would like to but on fair terms, [we] the 99%
The conditions are as fair as they could be...but making isk with T2 BPO-¦s is kindoff Indy-engame gameplay so you cant complain as a newer or casual player that you cant get in there yet. I know you do anyway
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Pipa Porto
866
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:19:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:because we would like to but on fair terms, [we] the 99%
You can acquire a T2 BPO the same way most of the current owners acquired them.
You can also make more ISK with any given amount of Capital through Invention than through BPO ownership (meaning that, no matter how you acquired the BPO, selling it and switching to invention will result in a higher income).
What's unfair about a process whose only significant effect is reducing the cost of flying niche ships and fitting niche modules? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Obsidiana
White-Noise
171
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:35:00 -
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Leave them in. Just buff Invention and make T2 BPOs obsolete. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
200
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:47:00 -
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Interesting.... |

Obsidiana
White-Noise
172
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:57:00 -
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Thank you. Call me opportunistic, but I want better Invention. The outdated system only makes sense in conjunction with preserves T2 BPOs, but that was years ago.
I do not want Invention to be the stagnant, backwards system that is it.
I want better Invention that is so good that no one cares about T2 BPOs.
It should be revisited and improved periodically. I want moar Invention.
That will kill the argument. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
952
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:20:00 -
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You do realize that buffing invention to increase yield is self-defeating, as it would lower margins even more.
The problem is not invention or T2 BPOs. It's people that value their effort very little, typically with the argument that EVE is a game so they don't care how much they earn, or even if they take a loss, as long as they are having fun.
Building ships is an example of this, because everyone and their grandmother thinks building ships is "cool", regardless of if they are profitable or not (because hundreds of others had the same idea, and are 0.01 ISK-ing each other into oblivion).
Every new industrialist also wants to get into the market, often without doing any market research.
I earn billions of ISK by finding out what the market wants, then supplying it. However, this takes both time and effort, which many are not willing to invest in.
There is LOTS of opportunity for earnings on the current markets. Don't expect ISK to just magically appear in your wallet without putting in some effort. |

Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:29:00 -
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I am not sure why this thread lives on - I do laugh though.
Take it in another direction, T2 Invention gives you a 0.5% chance to create a T2 BPO - there, I fixed it for you.
Creative opportunities for others to acquire one without having to spend 2 years to get any ROI, devalue the ones that were handed out by corrupt means. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:10:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:You do realize that buffing invention to increase yield is self-defeating, as it would lower margins even more.
The problem is not invention or T2 BPOs. It's people that value their effort very little, typically with the argument that EVE is a game so they don't care how much they earn, or even if they take a loss, as long as they are having fun.
Building ships is an example of this, because everyone and their grandmother thinks building ships is "cool", regardless of if they are profitable or not (because hundreds of others had the same idea, and are 0.01 ISK-ing each other into oblivion).
Every new industrialist also wants to get into the market, often without doing any market research.
I earn billions of ISK by finding out what the market wants, then supplying it. However, this takes both time and effort, which many are not willing to invest in.
There is LOTS of opportunity for earnings on the current markets. Don't expect ISK to just magically appear in your wallet without putting in some effort.
unironicly the best post in this thread
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
394
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:31:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:You do realize that buffing invention to increase yield is self-defeating, as it would lower margins even more.
The problem is not invention or T2 BPOs. It's people that value their effort very little, typically with the argument that EVE is a game so they don't care how much they earn, or even if they take a loss, as long as they are having fun.
Building ships is an example of this, because everyone and their grandmother thinks building ships is "cool", regardless of if they are profitable or not (because hundreds of others had the same idea, and are 0.01 ISK-ing each other into oblivion).
Every new industrialist also wants to get into the market, often without doing any market research.
I earn billions of ISK by finding out what the market wants, then supplying it. However, this takes both time and effort, which many are not willing to invest in.
There is LOTS of opportunity for earnings on the current markets. Don't expect ISK to just magically appear in your wallet without putting in some effort. And...thread. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
200
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:17:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:I am not sure why this thread lives on - I do laugh though.
Take it in another direction, T2 Invention gives you a 0.5% chance to create a T2 BPO - there, I fixed it for you.
Creative opportunities for others to acquire one without having to spend 2 years to get any ROI, devalue the ones that were handed out by corrupt means. . Perhaps a modification: Keeping all the copy rules from BPO's the same.
"T2 Invention gives you a 0.5% chance to create a T2 BPO" except make the chance, .01% and lower depending on original BPO cost and not allowing any market influence upon said outcome, No decryptors, nothing, that can be limited or complatly bought out by any one to be added to that mix. But instead replace that with Raw RP.
The basic mechanics for invention would also have to be changed, possibly even create a different type or whole set of Datacores just to keep the market from doing a massive bounce.
as for the original owners, I dont think they would be hurt much, as their obviously profitless 600B T2 BPO's would be unprofitable either way.
In short allowing any newbie who joins eve, to basically join a huge lottery where he/she can walk away with 20-600B isk with some massive luck in just a few months of gameplay, or, just enough to get permanently hooked to eve.
This could open quite a few doors and options. |

Pipa Porto
867
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:39:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:as for the original owners, I dont think they would be hurt much, as their obviously profitless 600B T2 BPO's would be unprofitable either way.
You keep saying that like anyone's claimed that T2 BPOs don't provide a profit to their owners.
As to your idea, I think you vastly underestimate the size of EVE's industrial sector.
Seeding BPOs is a nerf to invention, removing BPOs is (you claim) a buff to invention. Why do you want to nerf invention at the same time you want to buff it?
Seeding BPOs would simply raise the minimum demand for invention controlled prices. Seeding BPOs the way you propose would raise the minimum demand more in the most in-demand items, resulting in a likely oversupply of BPOs, permanently crippling invention one item at a time. This would mean that, far from helping newbies, eventually invention would become the province of the rich industrialist trying to get a BPO in an underserved market (and likely not making any money on the BPCs he's inventing). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.05 23:05:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:I am not sure why this thread lives on - I do laugh though.
Take it in another direction, T2 Invention gives you a 0.5% chance to create a T2 BPO - there, I fixed it for you.
Creative opportunities for others to acquire one without having to spend 2 years to get any ROI, devalue the ones that were handed out by corrupt means.
by far the worst Idea that got presented.
These are just some of the reasons:
-MORE T2 BPO is bad, as they naturaly dont leave the game and only would be added, over time it would be the only way to make isk, vanilla invention would become pointless. 20 T2 BPO-¦s per type wont hurt anyone, 2000 certainly will. So after all this solution would only work for a limited amount of time and end up in a totally broken T2 production system.
-NOOBS would have serious toruble to get into the business as they couldnt compete to the mass of T2 BPO`s. Would be a lot harder to get in.
-it would just simplify the entire T2 production wich clearly isnt needed or wanted. The main Issue is still the huge amount of over-production, wich would lead into even more competition and as the result lower margins.
-Current T2 BPO`s would lose their collector item status, and a lot of value, but I guess for all the mildly irrational T2 BPO haters thats just a bonus
Dont you guys find it hilarious that most of you "solutions" include seeding more T2 BPO`s wich are are apparently game-killers itself? honestly, even as a T2 BPO owner i find the idea of just removing t2 BPO`s without any reimbursment a lot better than this one... |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
123
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:24:00 -
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Giving inventions a 100 100 stat instead of a -10 -10 would be a great solution to the problem. It may destroy margins in some markets but it would open the playing field to all industrialists of EVE and not those players CCP chose to produce T2 or those players who purchased the right via BPO. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

Pipa Porto
876
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:30:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Giving inventions a 100 100 stat instead of a -10 -10 would be a great solution to the problem. It may destroy margins in some markets but it would open the playing field to all industrialists of EVE and not those players CCP chose to produce T2 or those players who purchased the right via BPO.
That would not change the profitability of invention. It would also make most decryptors effectively worthless.
And once again, you've failed miserably at showing any shred of evidence to suggest that the current situation of BPOs has any effect on the profitability or accessibility of invention as a profession. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:40:00 -
[1074] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Giving inventions a 100 100 stat instead of a -10 -10 would be a great solution to the problem. It may destroy margins in some markets but it would open the playing field to all industrialists of EVE and not those players CCP chose to produce T2 or those players who purchased the right via BPO. That would not change the profitability of invention. It would also make most decryptors effectively worthless. And once again, you've failed miserably at showing any shred of evidence to suggest that the current situation of BPOs has any effect on the profitability or accessibility of invention as a profession.
not that he really beleives that, he just has to post something pseudo-on-topic to keep the thread bumped.
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
203
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Posted - 2012.09.07 00:28:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Giving inventions a 100 100 stat instead of a -10 -10 would be a great solution to the problem. It may destroy margins in some markets but it would open the playing field to all industrialists of EVE and not those players CCP chose to produce T2 or those players who purchased the right via BPO.
Indeed, this would place T2 on par with T1, but of course more steps, POS, skills and many different steps need to be taken before the player can truly utilize anything more then just a few items for himself/herself.
Citizens of New Eden: These non believers need to be taught a lesson in Manufacture and give up their T2 BPO's in the process, let us rid New eden of this defilement and place this into the Chapters of history. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.07 01:06:00 -
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Kara Books wrote: Citizens of New Eden: These non believers need to be taught a lesson in Manufacture and give up their T2 BPO's in the process, let us rid New eden of this defilement and place this into the Chapters of history.
totally not a brewlar alt  |

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
7
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:43:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Giving inventions a 100 100 stat instead of a -10 -10 would be a great solution to the problem. It may destroy margins in some markets but it would open the playing field to all industrialists of EVE and not those players CCP chose to produce T2 or those players who purchased the right via BPO.
1) changing invention would not bring anything, except ruining the prices for decryptors/datacores/T2 Bpc and... final products 2) the guys who are in charge of industry in CCP are aware that T2 BPO and invention are fine and quite balanced. 3) you aren't CCP your point of view is narrow, you lack a lot of knowledge about how industry works, how markets works and you don't have the data and statistics as ccp have. 4) You just implicitly admited to be disturbed by "those players who purchased the right via bpo". 5) This discussion thread is sterile, you have nothing new to bring, except hammering the same things for months
6) to contradict what you claim about alleged loss of subscribers :
EVE Online Subscribers, from MMOdata.net
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á --- --- -á-á-á-á-á-á BUT NOT ATM :)-á-á-á --- |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
125
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:24:00 -
[1078] - Quote
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Kara Books wrote: Citizens of New Eden: These non believers need to be taught a lesson in Manufacture and give up their T2 BPO's in the process, let us rid New eden of this defilement and place this into the Chapters of history.
totally not a brewlar alt 
All those who speak out against the dumbfuckery that is T2BPO along the years are my alts. If present counts stand I have over 1000 accounts so CCP hey up remove T2BPO before you lose 1/30th of your player base. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
125
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:25:00 -
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Buff invention and make T2BPO's irrelevant. That way T2BPO owners could not complain as there BPO's have not been touched. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |

Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:38:00 -
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1) Make silly proclamation based on faulty assertions 2) Have faulty assertions shot down by figures/ actual experience/ logic 3) Try repeating silly proclamation based on faulty assertion, hoping that noise drowns out reason 4) Get shot down again 5) Keep quiet for a week or two and hope that people forget figures/logic/experience 6) Go back to Step 1
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