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Potrero	Posted - 2008.11.27 21:58:00 - [1] Was just part of a large scale fleet op of about 300 ships. - 2 support fleets: 100 players each - 1 cap fleet of 100 players I took a scout position in a system adjacent to the main action. I was in the system alone. Lag was still so bad that my client looked like a slide show. A full 30 seconds between screen refreshes. What's so great about this single server concept? I can understand lag conditions when we're all operating in a single system, but when we're spread out? The game was unplayable. I ran out of time so I couldn't extract myself. Next time I log in I'll be behind enemy lines solo. Unplayable.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:01:00 - [2] Welcome to EVE
GateScout	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Potrero What's so great about this single server concept? ..and why do you think 100 (or any number) servers would make this any easier? While you can solve a few back-end issues, you are still stuck with the nondeterministic polynomial communication problem: you need to communicate ALL the data about all the ships to all the folks that need that information.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Potrero Was just part of a large scale fleet op of about 300 ships. - 2 support fleets: 100 players each - 1 cap fleet of 100 players I took a scout position in a system adjacent to the main action. I was in the system alone. Lag was still so bad that my client looked like a slide show. A full 30 seconds between screen refreshes. What's so great about this single server concept? I can understand lag conditions when we're all operating in a single system, but when we're spread out? The game was unplayable. I ran out of time so I couldn't extract myself. Next time I log in I'll be behind enemy lines solo. Unplayable. I'm going to assume this was in 0.0 so what happened is that both your system and the one the fight was in (plus many moar) are on one cpu. This is getting fixed as the new infiniband capable servers with win08 on them trickle in for the short therm and will be totaly zapped by the time its in full implimentation. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:17:00 - [5] At least you had that many players on the server.
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:22:00 - [6] Server lag doesn't make your screen jerky and unresponsive. That's a problem with your computer. Either your overview isn't setup to handle many objects on screen well, or your PC was doing something in the background while you played, or something else.
Potrero	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Potrero Rant I'm going to assume this was in 0.0 so what happened is that both your system and the one the fight was in (plus many moar) are on one cpu. This is getting fixed as the new infiniband capable servers with win08 on them trickle in for the short therm and will be totaly zapped by the time its in full implimentation. Yes, this was in 0.0. And I'm sure there's some new technology on the horizon. My question is simply why they have to stick to the single-server concept at all? What's wrong with shards? Why should anything that I'm doing alone in system A be impacted by what's going on in system B? CCP markets the concept of a single server as a selling point. Why should I care?
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:24:00 - [8] because with a single server anything you ever do in eve will effect everyone anything you kill any ship you make effect the entire world having multiple servers this effect is lost and so is the econical advantages of having it in a single world area. wouldnt it be heart braking to know that you beat a alliance on a single server for true purposes but then them start on a seperate server + all the powerblock in eve do actually have to fight it out instead of power blocking on seperate servers and becomming the master of this universe as there is only one universe excuse spelling
Lord Haur Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:36:00 - [9] Why have a single shard? Because we can have fleet battles of the same order of magnitude as the concurrent user counts of other MMO shards. --- Sig Starts Here --- Lord Haur - Imperial Academy Logistical Support
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:37:00 - [10] single shard is the single thing that keeps me in this game. -- i am a humble and inefficient ammo to dps converter
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Lord Haur Why have a single shard? Because we can have fleet battles of the same order of magnitude as the concurrent user counts of other MMO shards. and that those battles matter as you cant run off to another shard, your get what your givin which also drives me to fight for more in this game knowing that they got everything in this shard
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Faife single shard is the single thing that keeps me in this game. This. Knowing if a friend plays the game then you can play with your friend counts. Other games turned me off because I could never really play with folks that I knew. Also I remember some large fights in that other game. The server crashed repeatedly and the client lag was horrible. Maybe they fixed it, who cares. A single server or multiple servers can rarely handle massive fights. And if they can handle a large fights players will bring even more numbers. So why do I want to deal with multiple servers?
Flamewave Crimson Moon Society	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Potrero Why should anything that I'm doing alone in system A be impacted by what's going on in system B? Because they're on the same node. Read up on the dev blogs for why this happens and how the server cluster works, but to keep things short, the only way for what you really want (for a fleet battle in system A to not lag system B) would be to put each solar system on its own node. This can't be done because of the sheer cost of having so many servers seeing how many solar systems there are. __________
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:47:00 - [14] One community for the game instead of a community for each shard. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Rivur'Tam Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.27 22:52:00 - [15] STFU NUB go play that fairy game wow, with all the other fairys. Nothing to do with servers, its your cheap ass fairy computer. AND NO FAIRY DOES NOT MEAN GAY ITS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIRROR JUST AFTER UR MOM IS DONE WIPING YOU BUM /emo rage rant over I hate it when fools like that try to ruin our game its awesome the way it is. .. I like teh secs and teh boobies ..how to win eve by buyiny this
Sophil	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Rivur'Tam Edited by: Rivur''Tam on 27/11/2008 22:57:48 STFU NUB go play that fairy game wow, with all the other fairys. Nothing to do with servers, its your cheap ass fairy computer. AND NO FAIRY DOES NOT MEAN GAY ITS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIRROR JUST AFTER UR MOM IS DONE WIPING YOU BUM /emo rage rant over I hate it when fools like that try to ruin our game its awesome the way it is. And b4 of of other losers attempt to flame me this is my view if you don't like it ignore it and so what if i can't spell i spent my school years chasing girls not sucking up my teachers ass and its not my fault your a ***** and have to flame me as for me flaming the op he had it coming mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is people like you that makes the forums less fun that it should be. Everyone has a right to an opinion on something. It doesn't mean that everyone else has to agree with him/her, but calling everyone nuub or whiner when they try to discuss an opinion is very childish. So please just stop, ok? I for one think it's awsome that eve is on one large server, that everyone plays in the same galaxy. EVE would be quite empty if CCP diveded the game into 5 or 10 different servers. The 0.0 conflicts wouldn't have so much impact and so on. The reason I play this game is because of two reasons. 1. Spaceships!! 2. One Server.
Mistral Sud Minmatar Black Box Corp.	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Faife single shard is the single thing that keeps me in this game. Yup
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Potrero What's so great about a single server anyway? - Aside from wimply alt posters and people who never undock or leave an npc corp, noone is untounchable in or outside the game (whoever that leaves). - You're not segregated from your friends you invite. - Two groups of people living in identical universes breaks immersion, especially for ingame events and storyline.
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Rivur'Tam Malfunction. Seek therapy.
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:37:00 - [20] If EVE was sharded as other MMOs are I doubt I'd continue to play this game either. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:39:00 - [21] problems with screen refreshes and 'slideshowing' is a problem with your computer and video settings, not the one-server concept When your computer plays smoothly but you can't see a damn thing or activate your modules, then you can criticize _____________________ My opinions plus a tablespoon of water may be substituted for your own.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 27/11/2008 23:41:21 Originally by: Washell Olivaw One community for the game instead of a community for each shard. So when you eventually meet someone in RL who actually admits to playing EVE(I know I don't) , you can go do some anonomous griefing. - Infectious -
Little Matt Caldari New Fnord Industries Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Rawr Cristina So when you eventually meet someone in RL who actually admits to playing EVE(I know I don't) , you can go do some anonomous griefing. You're ashamed of playing Eve? Why?
Kaar Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Potrero What's so great about this single server concept? Originally by: Potrero Was just part of a large scale fleet op of about 300 ships --- ---
fuer0n	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:55:00 - [25] nice to have people pushing the boundaries and push and push until it's normal to make something like an mmofps that you can jump into a spacecraft and fight above the planet as well as ctf/ deathmatch areas. call in a player run ship from orbit for a bombing run etc. taking 1 planet at a time :P that's why it's good that someone makes the effort and explores.
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:55:00 - [26] Shards SUCK. It's a wide spready misconception that EVE is run on a single server. It works on a single cluster - but there are many servers (well - only 1 DB server AFAIK). The systems are spread over many servers and each blade manages a number of systems (less in empire, Jita has its own blade IIRC, more systems per blade in low pop 0.0). Lag can be server-side when the calculations for all those modules activating and ship movements tax the computing capacity of the server node - or it can be client-side when too many complex objects need to be rendered by your client. It can sometimes be network lag when your provider or local line have problems. Network and client lag would be the same in a sharded world. Server-lag - depends. Sure EVE has more potential for a lot of people being in 1 place (which is also a good thing) - but then what other MMO has the raw server power that CCP assembled for its cluster and keeps upgrading with the best market has to offer. What is great about a single world? Epic history. Reputation has value in EVE. You won't end up on a different shard than your friend and forced to create a new char to be in same world. Shards SUCK! --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.11.28 00:04:00 - [27] People whine about quitting if EVE were ever to be sharded, but to be honest, most of them would keep playing. Very few people actually ragequit EVE. Most fakequit and then you see them posting a month after they "left the game forever over the missile nerf". The game that the developers borrowed about 95% of the content from (Tradewars 20002), had hundreds and hundreds of shards. Not only that, but you played until one corporation controlled most of the universe and then the moderator would declare a winner and start the shard all over. Imagine how boring the game will become one day when a mega alliance finally takes over most of the universe. People will be crying for a shard by then.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.11.28 00:11:00 - [28] Did you let CCP know that your group was thinking of doing a capital fleet battle with 300 players? If the answer is no then there is your problem.
Rivur'Tam Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.28 00:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Sophil Originally by: Rivur'Tam Edited by: Rivur''Tam on 27/11/2008 22:57:48 STFU NUB go play that fairy game wow, with all the other fairys. Nothing to do with servers, its your cheap ass fairy computer. AND NO FAIRY DOES NOT MEAN GAY ITS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIRROR JUST AFTER UR MOM IS DONE WIPING YOU BUM /emo rage rant over I hate it when fools like that try to ruin our game its awesome the way it is. And b4 of of other losers attempt to flame me this is my view if you don't like it ignore it and so what if i can't spell i spent my school years chasing girls not sucking up my teachers ass and its not my fault your a ***** and have to flame me as for me flaming the op he had it coming mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is people like you that makes the forums less fun that it should be. Everyone has a right to an opinion on something. It doesn't mean that everyone else has to agree with him/her, but calling everyone nuub or whiner when they try to discuss an opinion is very childish. So please just stop, ok? I for one think it's awsome that eve is on one large server, that everyone plays in the same galaxy. EVE would be quite empty if CCP diveded the game into 5 or 10 different servers. The 0.0 conflicts wouldn't have so much impact and so on. The reason I play this game is because of two reasons. 1. Spaceships!! 2. One Server. My troll failed .. I like teh secs and teh boobies ..how to win eve by buyiny this
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.11.28 00:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Imagine how boring the game will become one day when a mega alliance finally takes over most of the universe. People will be crying for a shard by then. Not going to happen, There is no way that you will get a group of people to agree on how to run 0.0 At best you could get a large block of agree but even then it will split apart from the inside so no you don't understand Eve nor 0.0

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